Ok let me get this straight. She didn't like GW's animations? And she plays RIFT and LOTRO? Really? Lotro and Everquest 2 have the worst animations in the history of mankind and that's the understatement of the year! RIFT's animations are crappy too, of course not on the scale of LOTRO/EQ2.
Personal story is obviously gonna feel like quests.
RIFT doesn't have dynamic events. It has some random generator which spams monsters all over the map.
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Here we have an extremely mellow OP talking about a review he/she found interesting (not good, not well-written, merely interesting) because it provides a different perspective (which it does) and he/she is called a misinformed troll basically right away.
Then we've got me having quite heated debates with posts about GW2 that are simply way more negative then that blog post let alone the original post and it usually takes at least a few pages before I'm called misinformed (which granted, I sometimes am) or a troll (which I'm not).
Anyway, just wanted to share my amusement.
Small tip: you inspire a lot more confidence about the game if you act less defensive about it.
Yeah I have to agree, seems expectations are rather high here. That's just disaster waiting to happen IMO. People frequently comment on the level of player hype TOR is receiving, I'm not sure it's quite as bad as what you see here. At least there people are willing to accept things might not turn out as great as Bioware is assuming.
Not to say I have an issue with people being excited, I really don't. I'm just pointing out the irony in that a lot of those who make such statements are those following GW2.
I really don't view GW2 as a threat so I can be equally excited about both, I also don't view games as an NFL grudge match. As a result I don't have a favorite team I feel I need to defend.
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The OP is an avid SWTOR followers and has only posted in the GW2 section 3 times and each time it has been a negative thread.
Check out his post/threads..
Although Whilan is clearly a fan of TOR he hasn't really posted any sort of uber rants on the forums of this game, so no you're wrong.
This article is short, subjective and pretty badly written overall.
But it does beg the question for my personal biggest concern with this game: how well do the dynamic events hold up?
Both WAR and RIFT had public quests and derivates of them, both had big problems due to the nature of these events: a mass of people converging together means that you can easily lose track of what your own place within that mass of people is. And while I have no doubt that dynamic events will be more varied, rewarding and spectacular than WAR's or Rift's take on this, that problem remains.
Moving in a mass can be positive or negative: in the best case you feel like you're part of something bigger, like you're all moving somewhere together and like you have a place in the bigger scheme of things.
But if the mass of people becomes too big, you can easily lose track of where everyone is going and you become one of many doing little menial tasks, losing track of the meaning those have in the overall game world.
I also think that's why Arenanet is bringing in so many huge bosses: the pure size of the monster makes the mass of people seem smaller and it makes the objective clear and impressive to complete, which is a smart little trick.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I'll assume this isn't one big trolling attempt. Seems like a lot of effort for nothing at all.
That said, has this blogger played literally no games beside LOTR and Rift in their life? I enjoyed "Skills have a global cooldown, like Rift.". ;D hahahaha. Genius.
The 'review' didn't seem completely negative, just stupid, and I dare say that the animations did look pretty poor. I still think the animations look awkward in the latest class videos. But whatever. It's probably still better informed than a Rock Paper Shotgun review.
Meh. The demo review of the blogger was mediocre and very subjective.
What's more interesting and fun to watch is the responses of people. Oh, how quick people rise to burn the OP and that blogger on the witchfire for heresy/uninformedness/negative viewpoint, a lot of the same people who often have no qualms about doing exactly the same in discussion threads of other games, in those cases barely restraining themselves from jumping up and down from joy to hop on the bandwagon of criticising and wallowing in any negative comment that can be found of those other MMO's. Funny to see
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I meant I am playing Rifts right now and the rifts are really fun and all that, but this just sounds stupid.
GW2 events are basically like having story told in a dynamic way, like Quest comes to you, instead of you going to quest
whereas Rifts are more invasions of enemies around the area, sometimes you can ignore them, sometimes it will even get in your way of advancing in your normal questing.
Both features creates dynamic events in a different way, how can you even say "The GW2 events felt very much like Rift" when the only thing common is dynamic, I'm sorry but if a review can't discuss a feature more in depth than this, I don't think it is going to be a good review.
Maybe I'll read it later, need to play some Rift first.
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Theres a reason people are reacting hostily to the OP. Read the OP's post again, and not just selectivly read parts. It's pretty obvious he posted it in an attempt to anger/annoy people.
A lot of people do that here. It's just how it is. They post things being Willfully ignorant. Sometimes they hear something from someone that read it on a piece of paper that blew in through their window, and preach that as The Holy Word.
And then they tell me my opinion right afterwards.
My opinion is, if you tell someone else their opinion, you should be shot. You should all accept that.
But all we have ARE these 30-40 minutes demonstrations and "the Devs have said...".
But that is more then enough to form your opinion regarding complete game and flame OP or anyone else on basis of that. It is not important whether you have played GW2 yourself yet, nope not at all.
I find it funny that Whilan would post this when there are plenty of other "reviews" with legitimate concerns that he could have posted. The funny thing is, if there is a legitimate concern we've probably aleady tackled it.... SEVERAL times.
The review for me is met with a "meh", it doesn't say much, it just seems unconvinced and clouded with games she already finds special. With time she'll probably be able to understand the game a bit more but till then you can send her hate mails about how she should do her research lol.
What will the reaction be if GW2's DEs do turn out to be nothing more than glorified PQ's?
That is irrelevant because devs have told us it is not going to be just glorified PQ's. And demo is good enough to make informed opinion about entire game. Sorry Malickie either convert or you are not wanted here.
What will the reaction be if GW2's DEs do turn out to be nothing more than glorified PQ's?
That is irrelevant because devs have told us it is not going to be just glorified PQ's. And demo is good enough to make informed opinion about entire game. Sorry Malickie either convert or you are not wanted here.
Ya these events are nothing like rifts or PQ's , because rifts, if you didnt kill them, it did not matter, they stayed open in random places for 90 minutes, they were very static, and if no one does them, the disappeared.
Other then invasions, but seriously once the invasion was over, the left over mobs in rift were easy to kill and get the NPC's back
I have a feeling with GW2, the events will more to them ,and failed events will create more change then in Rift, plus most of them wont be as static either.
as far as poeple saying we are trashing the review just cause we are fanbois isnt really true, I am trashing it simply cause its poorly done.
I am not a fanboi or hater of this game, I am just hopeful it will be well done and most importantly FUN !!!!
Ya these events are nothing like rifts or PQ's , because rifts, if you didnt kill them, it did not matter, they stayed open in random places for 90 minutes, they were very static, and if no one does them, the disappeared.
Other then invasions, but seriously once the invasion was over, the left over mobs in rift were easy to kill and get the NPC's back
I have a feeling with GW2, the events will more to them ,and failed events will create more change then in Rift, plus most of them wont be as static either.
as far as poeple saying we are trashing the review just cause we are fanbois isnt really true, I am trashing it simply cause its poorly done.
I am not a fanboi or hater of this game, I am just hopeful it will be well done and most importantly FUN !!!!
Wish sadly Rift wasnt.
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with said blog post. There isn't even anything wrong with saying that the review was horribly misinformed. I completely agree.
But there's everything wrong with attacking the OP who was merely sharing a link he/she found interesting or even the blogger herself who was just posting her opinion on the game.
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I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.
Granted it may be somewhat misinformed but she did say things that appear to be in game such as the fight to survive. I'm not sure how DE will play out and i feel it will be similar in respects to how Public quests play out. But t never said i agree with the person in it's entirety or said theese were my views.
I basically stated that it was an interesting review and thought i'd share it.
PS. I have no hatered towards the game or passive agression towards it. The game would have to do something to me for that to happen and as it's done nothing to me whatsoever that would be impossible.
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I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.
Granted it may be somewhat misinformed but she did say things that appear to be in game such as the fight to survive. I'm not sure how DE will play out and i feel it will be similar in respects to how Public quests play out. But t never said i agree with the person in it's entirety or said theese were my views.
I basically stated that it was an interesting review and thought i'd share it.
PS. I have no hatered towards the game or passive agression towards it. The game would have to do something to me for that to happen and as it's done nothing to me whatsoever that would be impossible.
That 'interesting' review was badly written (she even contradicts herself about the customisation) and misinformed. Regardless of opinion, she clearly didnt understand the personal storyline, which is based on character creation choices, so of course you cant share the quest with someone that made other choices! That doesnt mean you cant group with others for this quest of course. Or that the Dynamic events can trigger other events and that they are not just cycling all the time.
'I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.'
So its interesting because it doesnt put GW2 in a great light, even though she is, like you write yourself, misinformed.
That 'interesting' review was badly written (she even contradicts herself about the customisation) and misinformed. Regardless of opinion, she clearly didnt understand the personal storyline, which is based on character creation choices, so of course you cant share the quest with someone that made other choices! That doesnt mean you cant group with others for this quest of course. Or that the Dynamic events can trigger other events and that they are not just cycling all the time.
'I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.'
So its interesting because it doesnt put GW2 in a great light, even though she is, like you write yourself, misinformed.
Definition of interesting: Arousing or holding the attention; absorbing.
Seeing the amount of time being spent replying to this blog post what else would you call it? It seems to be holding everyone's attention well enough. And it's certainly absorbing people into the matter and causing them to reply.
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That 'interesting' review was badly written (she even contradicts herself about the customisation) and misinformed. Regardless of opinion, she clearly didnt understand the personal storyline, which is based on character creation choices, so of course you cant share the quest with someone that made other choices! That doesnt mean you cant group with others for this quest of course. Or that the Dynamic events can trigger other events and that they are not just cycling all the time.
'I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.'
So its interesting because it doesnt put GW2 in a great light, even though she is, like you write yourself, misinformed.
Definition of interesting: Arousing or holding the attention; absorbing.
Seeing the amount of time being spent replying to this blog post what else would you call it? It seems to be holding everyone's attention well enough. And it's certainly absorbing people into the matter and causing them to reply.
Im not sure why you reply to me. I never said it wasnt interesting, I was just questioning the intention of the OP for linking a review from a clearly misinformed blogger.
Im not sure why you reply to me. I never said it wasnt interesting, I was just questioning the intention of the OP for linking a review from a clearly misinformed blogger.
Because, as he/she said, it was interesting? Which you yourself admit it is?
I mean last I checked posting threads about stuff you found interesting was the whole point of these forums?
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Im not sure why you reply to me. I never said it wasnt interesting, I was just questioning the intention of the OP for linking a review from a clearly misinformed blogger.
Because, as he/she said, it was interesting? Which you yourself admit it is?
I mean last I checked posting threads abo
ut stuff you found interesting was the whole point of these forums?
No, according to him its interesting because : ...
OP: Its a different opinion about GW2...
Me: It might be different, but uninformed like the OP himself admits, so whats the real reason for linking it?
Its about the reason he finds it interesting. This is why most ppl respond to the OP. Stop missing the point please.
Im not sure why you reply to me. I never said it wasnt interesting, I was just questioning the intention of the OP for linking a review from a clearly misinformed blogger.
Because, as he/she said, it was interesting? Which you yourself admit it is?
I mean last I checked posting threads abo
ut stuff you found interesting was the whole point of these forums?
No, according to him its interesting because : ...
OP: Its a different opinion about GW2...
Me: It might be different, but uninformed like the OP himself admits, so whats the point of linking it?
Its about the reason he finds it interesting. This is why most ppl respond to the OP. Stop missing the point please.
People keep calling the Blogger misinformed, yet what most have to go on is Dev speak and promo videos. At least the person who wrote the blog has had hands on experience. What a dev says and how something plays and feels can be two completely different things.
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Ok let me get this straight. She didn't like GW's animations? And she plays RIFT and LOTRO? Really? Lotro and Everquest 2 have the worst animations in the history of mankind and that's the understatement of the year! RIFT's animations are crappy too, of course not on the scale of LOTRO/EQ2.
Personal story is obviously gonna feel like quests.
RIFT doesn't have dynamic events. It has some random generator which spams monsters all over the map.
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Yeah I have to agree, seems expectations are rather high here. That's just disaster waiting to happen IMO. People frequently comment on the level of player hype TOR is receiving, I'm not sure it's quite as bad as what you see here. At least there people are willing to accept things might not turn out as great as Bioware is assuming.
Not to say I have an issue with people being excited, I really don't. I'm just pointing out the irony in that a lot of those who make such statements are those following GW2.
I really don't view GW2 as a threat so I can be equally excited about both, I also don't view games as an NFL grudge match. As a result I don't have a favorite team I feel I need to defend.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Although Whilan is clearly a fan of TOR he hasn't really posted any sort of uber rants on the forums of this game, so no you're wrong.
This article is short, subjective and pretty badly written overall.
But it does beg the question for my personal biggest concern with this game: how well do the dynamic events hold up?
Both WAR and RIFT had public quests and derivates of them, both had big problems due to the nature of these events: a mass of people converging together means that you can easily lose track of what your own place within that mass of people is. And while I have no doubt that dynamic events will be more varied, rewarding and spectacular than WAR's or Rift's take on this, that problem remains.
Moving in a mass can be positive or negative: in the best case you feel like you're part of something bigger, like you're all moving somewhere together and like you have a place in the bigger scheme of things.
But if the mass of people becomes too big, you can easily lose track of where everyone is going and you become one of many doing little menial tasks, losing track of the meaning those have in the overall game world.
I also think that's why Arenanet is bringing in so many huge bosses: the pure size of the monster makes the mass of people seem smaller and it makes the objective clear and impressive to complete, which is a smart little trick.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I'll assume this isn't one big trolling attempt. Seems like a lot of effort for nothing at all.
That said, has this blogger played literally no games beside LOTR and Rift in their life? I enjoyed "Skills have a global cooldown, like Rift.". ;D hahahaha. Genius.
The 'review' didn't seem completely negative, just stupid, and I dare say that the animations did look pretty poor. I still think the animations look awkward in the latest class videos. But whatever. It's probably still better informed than a Rock Paper Shotgun review.
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I stopped reading after
"The GW2 events felt very much like Rift"
I meant I am playing Rifts right now and the rifts are really fun and all that, but this just sounds stupid.
GW2 events are basically like having story told in a dynamic way, like Quest comes to you, instead of you going to quest
whereas Rifts are more invasions of enemies around the area, sometimes you can ignore them, sometimes it will even get in your way of advancing in your normal questing.
Both features creates dynamic events in a different way, how can you even say "The GW2 events felt very much like Rift" when the only thing common is dynamic, I'm sorry but if a review can't discuss a feature more in depth than this, I don't think it is going to be a good review.
Maybe I'll read it later, need to play some Rift first.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
GW2 fan remind of me of religious cults. Anyone who disagrees or have different viewpoint regarding their deity ehmm i mean GW2 shall be burned alive.
Sadly the so called review is not even that negative and just a personal opinion of one guy. But it was fun reading all the knee jerk reactions.
A lot of people do that here. It's just how it is. They post things being Willfully ignorant. Sometimes they hear something from someone that read it on a piece of paper that blew in through their window, and preach that as The Holy Word.
And then they tell me my opinion right afterwards.
My opinion is, if you tell someone else their opinion, you should be shot. You should all accept that.
I can dodge bullets, so it's okay.
But that is more then enough to form your opinion regarding complete game and flame OP or anyone else on basis of that. It is not important whether you have played GW2 yourself yet, nope not at all.
What will the reaction be if GW2's DEs do turn out to be nothing more than glorified PQ's?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I find it funny that Whilan would post this when there are plenty of other "reviews" with legitimate concerns that he could have posted. The funny thing is, if there is a legitimate concern we've probably aleady tackled it.... SEVERAL times.
The review for me is met with a "meh", it doesn't say much, it just seems unconvinced and clouded with games she already finds special. With time she'll probably be able to understand the game a bit more but till then you can send her hate mails about how she should do her research lol.
This is not a game.
That is irrelevant because devs have told us it is not going to be just glorified PQ's. And demo is good enough to make informed opinion about entire game. Sorry Malickie either convert or you are not wanted here.
This is not a game.
Bestest argument I've read in a while.
This is not a game.
Ya these events are nothing like rifts or PQ's , because rifts, if you didnt kill them, it did not matter, they stayed open in random places for 90 minutes, they were very static, and if no one does them, the disappeared.
Other then invasions, but seriously once the invasion was over, the left over mobs in rift were easy to kill and get the NPC's back
I have a feeling with GW2, the events will more to them ,and failed events will create more change then in Rift, plus most of them wont be as static either.
as far as poeple saying we are trashing the review just cause we are fanbois isnt really true, I am trashing it simply cause its poorly done.
I am not a fanboi or hater of this game, I am just hopeful it will be well done and most importantly FUN !!!!
Wish sadly Rift wasnt.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Only the most charasmatic can start such a cult...
Arenanet is the playfield of cultists that want to make a great game come true...
As long as people dont expect the holy grail, GW2 will be a great game.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with said blog post. There isn't even anything wrong with saying that the review was horribly misinformed. I completely agree.
But there's everything wrong with attacking the OP who was merely sharing a link he/she found interesting or even the blogger herself who was just posting her opinion on the game.
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I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.
Granted it may be somewhat misinformed but she did say things that appear to be in game such as the fight to survive. I'm not sure how DE will play out and i feel it will be similar in respects to how Public quests play out. But t never said i agree with the person in it's entirety or said theese were my views.
I basically stated that it was an interesting review and thought i'd share it.
PS. I have no hatered towards the game or passive agression towards it. The game would have to do something to me for that to happen and as it's done nothing to me whatsoever that would be impossible.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
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That 'interesting' review was badly written (she even contradicts herself about the customisation) and misinformed. Regardless of opinion, she clearly didnt understand the personal storyline, which is based on character creation choices, so of course you cant share the quest with someone that made other choices! That doesnt mean you cant group with others for this quest of course. Or that the Dynamic events can trigger other events and that they are not just cycling all the time.
'I actually only linked that because i found it interesting, most of the reviews put GW2 is a great light and this one didn't. Thats the only reason.'
So its interesting because it doesnt put GW2 in a great light, even though she is, like you write yourself, misinformed.
Definition of interesting: Arousing or holding the attention; absorbing.
Seeing the amount of time being spent replying to this blog post what else would you call it? It seems to be holding everyone's attention well enough. And it's certainly absorbing people into the matter and causing them to reply.
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Im not sure why you reply to me. I never said it wasnt interesting, I was just questioning the intention of the OP for linking a review from a clearly misinformed blogger.
Because, as he/she said, it was interesting? Which you yourself admit it is?
I mean last I checked posting threads about stuff you found interesting was the whole point of these forums?
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No, according to him its interesting because : ...
OP: Its a different opinion about GW2...
Me: It might be different, but uninformed like the OP himself admits, so whats the real reason for linking it?
Its about the reason he finds it interesting. This is why most ppl respond to the OP. Stop missing the point please.
People keep calling the Blogger misinformed, yet what most have to go on is Dev speak and promo videos. At least the person who wrote the blog has had hands on experience. What a dev says and how something plays and feels can be two completely different things.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson