Looks like launch objective number one has been completed Rewone has given up hope.
Now just waiting on objective number two, Tardcore stating he's been right all along and the game is never releasing. Once that's out of the way we can all enjoy some SWTOR.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The thing is, Dragon Age 2, the last few Call of Duty: BO/MW2, Left 4 Dead 2, they all got glowing reviews. A lot of terrible games get glowing, wonderful, adoring reviews. I generally don't trust games with high ratings anymore. I highly doubt, from what I've seen of this game, that SW:TOR will be any different in that regard, as all I've seen is the same thing I see in every other MMO. Let's face it, they could make a game about flinging poo, brand it with the Star Wars Logo, and everyone would go on about how amazing and wonderful the game is because finally you could slam Darth Maul in the face with Wookie Waste.
Lol, the majority of press has been positive. Those who have actually played it for long periods at a time,
He played it for 8 hours.
{mod edit}
I could have also posted this:
"Despite the noise being made by EA and BioWare in promoting TOR as the next evolution for MMOs, the fact of it is that it functions just like all the rest. The cinematic presentation is nice, the acting is decent and the fact it’s Star Wars is appealing but, once the impact of those aspects have worn thin, the over-riding sensation is one of déjà vu and predictability.
It seems as though BioWare wanted to make a story-driven Star Wars game (hence the existence of unique story-arcs each class) as well as a standard MMO (hence the quest structure) but have failed to properly integrate the two into a cohesive whole. The two components fell almost completely separate, connected by extremely tenuous strings that link the core story to the extra-curricular quests. Unfortunately, this being an MMO, those extra-curricular chunks are essential for levelling up your character so concentrating just on the story is not possible."
he is absolutely and right, he has nailed it.
The truth is that it's easy for EA (because it's clearly them making this under the Bioware brand, not the old Bioware we knew and loved) to fill the net full of interviews full of hype and misleading spin, and it's easy for them to buy the compliance of the gaming sites with threats to with hold exclusives and advertising.
Objective real opinions like this should be cherished and listened to, no matter how deep a person's loyalty to this game or their approach of outright denial of anything that dosent support that.
Lol, the majority of press has been positive. Those who have actually played it for long periods at a time,
He played it for 8 hours.
{mod edit}
I could have also posted this:
"Despite the noise being made by EA and BioWare in promoting TOR as the next evolution for MMOs, the fact of it is that it functions just like all the rest. The cinematic presentation is nice, the acting is decent and the fact it’s Star Wars is appealing but, once the impact of those aspects have worn thin, the over-riding sensation is one of déjà vu and predictability.
It seems as though BioWare wanted to make a story-driven Star Wars game (hence the existence of unique story-arcs each class) as well as a standard MMO (hence the quest structure) but have failed to properly integrate the two into a cohesive whole. The two components fell almost completely separate, connected by extremely tenuous strings that link the core story to the extra-curricular quests. Unfortunately, this being an MMO, those extra-curricular chunks are essential for levelling up your character so concentrating just on the story is not possible."
he is absolutely and right, he has nailed it.
The truth is that it's easy for EA (because it's clearly them making this under the Bioware brand, not the old Bioware we knew and loved) to fill the net full of interviews full of hype and misleading spin, and it's easy for them to buy the compliance of the gaming sites with threats to with hold exclusives and advertising.
Objective real opinions like this should be cherished and listened to, no matter how deep a person's loyalty to this game or their approach of outright denial of anything that dosent support that.
I suppose one could easily say this one was bought out by another company to make the game look worse then it actually is and the positive reviews should be held as truth and charished. I think your dealing in conspiracy theories. Fact is. Most people actually enjoyed the game.
Your free to of course think whatever it is you want. But i'm also free to post as many opinions countering it as you can quote that counter mine. It's pointless though to say one is fact based and the other is not merely because one fits a particular point of view.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
The truth is that it's easy for EA (because it's clearly them making this under the Bioware brand, not the old Bioware we knew and loved) to fill the net full of interviews full of hype and misleading spin, and it's easy for them to buy the compliance of the gaming sites with threats to with hold exclusives and advertising.
Objective real opinions like this should be cherished and listened to, no matter how deep a person's loyalty to this game or their approach of outright denial of anything that dosent support that.
Yep, you nailed it. Outright denial is what I see too: people outright denying that any positive preview or impressions can be actually because that's someone's opinion, for the stupid reason that they don't want to believe anything that doesn't fit their own view of a game, because hey, other people can't have a different opinion than someone's own and still be right, eh?
30+ previews and impressions, from (semi) professional previewers to normal, regular players, all dismissed because they're too positive and any negative comment automatically elevated to authentic and gospel... The lengths of logic-raping that some anti-TOR people are going through just to conform reality to their opinion and to what they think reality should be
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
"Despite the noise being made by EA and BioWare in promoting TOR as the next evolution for MMOs, the fact of it is that it functions just like all the rest. The cinematic presentation is nice, the acting is decent and the fact it’s Star Wars is appealing but, once the impact of those aspects have worn thin, the over-riding sensation is one of déjà vu and predictability.
It seems as though BioWare wanted to make a story-driven Star Wars game (hence the existence of unique story-arcs each class) as well as a standard MMO (hence the quest structure) but have failed to properly integrate the two into a cohesive whole. The two components fell almost completely separate, connected by extremely tenuous strings that link the core story to the extra-curricular quests. Unfortunately, this being an MMO, those extra-curricular chunks are essential for levelling up your character so concentrating just on the story is not possible."
he is absolutely and right, he has nailed it.
The truth is that it's easy for EA (because it's clearly them making this under the Bioware brand, not the old Bioware we knew and loved) to fill the net full of interviews full of hype and misleading spin, and it's easy for them to buy the compliance of the gaming sites with threats to with hold exclusives and advertising.
Objective real opinions like this should be cherished and listened to, no matter how deep a person's loyalty to this game or their approach of outright denial of anything that dosent support that.
This post makes little logical sense and is self-conflicting to the extreme.
You only need to look at one phrase 'Objective real opinions like this '
umm....How do you have an 'objective real opinions' about a computer game?
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Wish i could vote to just have this thread locked, the point it's at is either people are going to agree with it or not, or try and degrade the game. Nothing actually is going to get discussed here. One side is going to say the guy is right and ToR sucks and the other is just going to refute it. Not that i suppose the thread didn't have merit but i think it's done now.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Wish i could vote to just have this thread locked, the point it's at is either people are going to agree with it or not, or try and degrade the game. Nothing actually is going to get discussed here. One side is going to say the guy is right and ToR sucks and the other is just going to refute it. Not that i suppose the thread didn't have merit but i think it's done now.
Haters are gonna hate.
This is the internet, people will always try to bring down the one with the spotlight and right now, SWTOR has the brightest.
Comes with the territory of being the most hyped MMO. C'mon, this is a Star wars game by Bioware.
It'll be the most hyped even if EA marketing does nothing.
Meh, my gaming taste are not sync with Incgamer anyway so 'whatever' to what that website says.
Regardless the most important question that hasn't been asked yet is.....
DO YOU HAVE THE BETA INVITE?! :P
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
"Despite the noise being made by EA and BioWare in promoting TOR as the next evolution for MMOs, the fact of it is that it functions just like all the rest. The cinematic presentation is nice, the acting is decent and the fact it’s Star Wars is appealing but, once the impact of those aspects have worn thin, the over-riding sensation is one of déjà vu and predictability.
It seems as though BioWare wanted to make a story-driven Star Wars game (hence the existence of unique story-arcs each class) as well as a standard MMO (hence the quest structure) but have failed to properly integrate the two into a cohesive whole. The two components fell almost completely separate, connected by extremely tenuous strings that link the core story to the extra-curricular quests. Unfortunately, this being an MMO, those extra-curricular chunks are essential for levelling up your character so concentrating just on the story is not possible."
he is absolutely and right, he has nailed it.
The truth is that it's easy for EA (because it's clearly them making this under the Bioware brand, not the old Bioware we knew and loved) to fill the net full of interviews full of hype and misleading spin, and it's easy for them to buy the compliance of the gaming sites with threats to with hold exclusives and advertising.
Objective real opinions like this should be cherished and listened to, no matter how deep a person's loyalty to this game or their approach of outright denial of anything that dosent support that.
This post makes little logical sense and is self-conflicting to the extreme.
You only need to look at one phrase 'Objective real opinions like this '
umm....How do you have an 'objective real opinions' about a computer game?
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
Now, your turn... explain why what I typed makes no 'logical sense' and is 'self-conflicting', because right now I am not convinced you know what either mean.
This post makes little logical sense and is self-conflicting to the extreme.
You only need to look at one phrase 'Objective real opinions like this '
umm....How do you have an 'objective real opinions' about a computer game?
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
Now, your turn... explain why what I typed makes no 'logical sense' and is 'self-conflicting', because right now I am not convinced you know what either mean.
You really want me to quote you on saying that 'you can have an objective opinion on a subjective entertainment form'?
Really?
Oh, I can have an 'objective opinion' on a movie/music/picture/statue/game I just saw/experienced.
what the....... huh?
Fun fact, when you google 'Objective opinion' you get a link to Wikipedia under Oxymoron. lol.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
i think that you're the one not able to grasp the meaning of objective, especially if you claim that only the ones you like and that similar to your own opinion are objective, and all others are either EA pressured or subjective.
There are whole hordes of people who aren't affiliated to a site or mag who have played SWTOR for quite a few hours, and those had their own positive and differing opinion from the previewer quoted here. Claiming that only this one was objective because he was 'negative' regarding SWTOR of a style of negativity which you happen to like... {mod edit}
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
i think that you're the one not able to grasp the meaning of objective, especially if you claim that only the ones you like and that similar to your own opinion are objective
ahh heres Maverick, again.
No, I do not think only the ones that suit my own opinion are objective, thats just you twisting and presuming as always, but I do now enough about this game to recognise those telling the truth and those spinning hype or kissing EA's butt.
Not enough people with access to these games from the media tell the truth pre launch, with them being being nailed down to the Dev's agenda by advertising revenue and early access. We should value the ones that do.
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
i think that you're the one not able to grasp the meaning of objective, especially if you claim that only the ones you like and that similar to your own opinion are objective
ahh heres Maverick, again.
No, I do not think only the ones that suit my own opinion are objective, thats just you twisting and presuming as always, but I do now enough about this game to recognise those telling the truth and those spinning hype or kissing EA's butt.
Not enough people with access to these games from the media tell the truth pre launch, with them being being nailed down to the Dev's agenda by advertising revenue and early access. We should value the ones that do.
I'd be curious to see which one you think are the truth or the ones not being "nailed down to the dev's agenda".
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
This post makes little logical sense and is self-conflicting to the extreme.
You only need to look at one phrase 'Objective real opinions like this '
umm....How do you have an 'objective real opinions' about a computer game?
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
Now, your turn... explain why what I typed makes no 'logical sense' and is 'self-conflicting', because right now I am not convinced you know what either mean.
You really want me to quote you on saying that 'you can have an objective opinion on a subjective entertainment form'?
I hope that clears up how I used it, squabbling about meanings is tiresome and petty when we should be talking about games.
In fact, whether you accept it or not I no longer care, my meaning is clear and thats enough to carry on the conversation about the topic of this thread the GAME. Please do so.
No, I do not think only the ones that suit my own opinion are objective, thats just you twisting and presuming as always, but I do now enough about this game to recognise those telling the truth and those spinning hype or kissing EA's butt.
Not enough people with access to these games from the media tell the truth pre launch, with them being being nailed down to the Dev's agenda by advertising revenue and early access. We should value the ones that do.
But it's not only the ones from the media that are positive about their gameplay experience with SWTOR, also a lot of regular people. Also, 14 out of 15 media people are overall positive about SWTOR. Are you saying that they're all not telling the truth or their own feeling and impressions about the game?
You cannot ignore all the positive reports for that simple excuse, it's not logical and it's not common sense: a) half and more of those reports come from people who aren't from the media at all, and b) saying that any media report that's positive is false and any negative report is true is too extreme and can't be proven.
I mean, who says that the person making a negative report doesn't have other motives? If you're the only one spouting negative comments, while all others are positive, you're guaranteed to raise your hit count for your site drastically, and it'll certainly become high profile. Or who says that the reporter is truly objective? It could be a hardcore sandbox fan, or themepark hater, or WoW fanboi, or SWG pre-NGE fanboi who never got over it, all those things would heavily color his report he gave. I'm speaking in general here, I'm not saying that the guy who gave his impressions is like that, but you were talking in general making broad conclusions about the other reporters and previewers as well.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
This post makes little logical sense and is self-conflicting to the extreme.
You only need to look at one phrase 'Objective real opinions like this '
umm....How do you have an 'objective real opinions' about a computer game?
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
Now, your turn... explain why what I typed makes no 'logical sense' and is 'self-conflicting', because right now I am not convinced you know what either mean.
You really want me to quote you on saying that 'you can have an objective opinion on a subjective entertainment form'?
I hope that clears up how I used it, squabbling about meanings is tiresome and petty when we should be talking about games.
In fact, whether you accept it or not I no longer care, my meaning is clear and thats enough to carry on the conversation about the topic of this thread the GAME. Please do so.
The conversation you're promoting isn't about the game, it's offering opinions of opinions of the game. WHich makes it neither right or wrong, only some guys opinion. A guy who also talks about the whole of the game without actually seeing the whole of the game.
Now if you can kindly explain why this opinion carries any more weight than any other I'd like to hear it. Leave your guessing about who is paid off or not by EA out of it this time though as there's no proof of that in any shape or form.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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i tired of waiting for a beta invite or the release screw this game
Looks like launch objective number one has been completed Rewone has given up hope.
Now just waiting on objective number two, Tardcore stating he's been right all along and the game is never releasing. Once that's out of the way we can all enjoy some SWTOR.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The thing is, Dragon Age 2, the last few Call of Duty: BO/MW2, Left 4 Dead 2, they all got glowing reviews. A lot of terrible games get glowing, wonderful, adoring reviews. I generally don't trust games with high ratings anymore. I highly doubt, from what I've seen of this game, that SW:TOR will be any different in that regard, as all I've seen is the same thing I see in every other MMO. Let's face it, they could make a game about flinging poo, brand it with the Star Wars Logo, and everyone would go on about how amazing and wonderful the game is because finally you could slam Darth Maul in the face with Wookie Waste.
he is absolutely and right, he has nailed it.
The truth is that it's easy for EA (because it's clearly them making this under the Bioware brand, not the old Bioware we knew and loved) to fill the net full of interviews full of hype and misleading spin, and it's easy for them to buy the compliance of the gaming sites with threats to with hold exclusives and advertising.
Objective real opinions like this should be cherished and listened to, no matter how deep a person's loyalty to this game or their approach of outright denial of anything that dosent support that.
I suppose one could easily say this one was bought out by another company to make the game look worse then it actually is and the positive reviews should be held as truth and charished. I think your dealing in conspiracy theories. Fact is. Most people actually enjoyed the game.
Your free to of course think whatever it is you want. But i'm also free to post as many opinions countering it as you can quote that counter mine. It's pointless though to say one is fact based and the other is not merely because one fits a particular point of view.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Yep, you nailed it. Outright denial is what I see too: people outright denying that any positive preview or impressions can be actually because that's someone's opinion, for the stupid reason that they don't want to believe anything that doesn't fit their own view of a game, because hey, other people can't have a different opinion than someone's own and still be right, eh?
30+ previews and impressions, from (semi) professional previewers to normal, regular players, all dismissed because they're too positive and any negative comment automatically elevated to authentic and gospel... The lengths of logic-raping that some anti-TOR people are going through just to conform reality to their opinion and to what they think reality should be
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
This post makes little logical sense and is self-conflicting to the extreme.
You only need to look at one phrase 'Objective real opinions like this '
umm....How do you have an 'objective real opinions' about a computer game?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Wish i could vote to just have this thread locked, the point it's at is either people are going to agree with it or not, or try and degrade the game. Nothing actually is going to get discussed here. One side is going to say the guy is right and ToR sucks and the other is just going to refute it. Not that i suppose the thread didn't have merit but i think it's done now.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Haters are gonna hate.
This is the internet, people will always try to bring down the one with the spotlight and right now, SWTOR has the brightest.
Comes with the territory of being the most hyped MMO. C'mon, this is a Star wars game by Bioware.
It'll be the most hyped even if EA marketing does nothing.
Meh, my gaming taste are not sync with Incgamer anyway so 'whatever' to what that website says.
Regardless the most important question that hasn't been asked yet is.....
DO YOU HAVE THE BETA INVITE?! :P
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
You don't grasp the meaning of objective? Google it.
And as for 'real', well that obviously indicates that I consider it a genuine opinion rather then a EA pressured one (based on the reasons I give above).
Now, your turn... explain why what I typed makes no 'logical sense' and is 'self-conflicting', because right now I am not convinced you know what either mean.
You really want me to quote you on saying that 'you can have an objective opinion on a subjective entertainment form'?
Really?
Oh, I can have an 'objective opinion' on a movie/music/picture/statue/game I just saw/experienced.
what the....... huh?
Fun fact, when you google 'Objective opinion' you get a link to Wikipedia under Oxymoron. lol.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
i think that you're the one not able to grasp the meaning of objective, especially if you claim that only the ones you like and that similar to your own opinion are objective, and all others are either EA pressured or subjective.
There are whole hordes of people who aren't affiliated to a site or mag who have played SWTOR for quite a few hours, and those had their own positive and differing opinion from the previewer quoted here. Claiming that only this one was objective because he was 'negative' regarding SWTOR of a style of negativity which you happen to like... {mod edit}
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
ahh heres Maverick, again.
No, I do not think only the ones that suit my own opinion are objective, thats just you twisting and presuming as always, but I do now enough about this game to recognise those telling the truth and those spinning hype or kissing EA's butt.
Not enough people with access to these games from the media tell the truth pre launch, with them being being nailed down to the Dev's agenda by advertising revenue and early access. We should value the ones that do.
I'd be curious to see which one you think are the truth or the ones not being "nailed down to the dev's agenda".
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Yes. When used in this sense;
5. (adj.) objective
not influenced by personal feelings or prejudice; unbiased
http://www.definitions.net/definition/objective
I hope that clears up how I used it, squabbling about meanings is tiresome and petty when we should be talking about games.
In fact, whether you accept it or not I no longer care, my meaning is clear and thats enough to carry on the conversation about the topic of this thread the GAME. Please do so.
But it's not only the ones from the media that are positive about their gameplay experience with SWTOR, also a lot of regular people. Also, 14 out of 15 media people are overall positive about SWTOR. Are you saying that they're all not telling the truth or their own feeling and impressions about the game?
You cannot ignore all the positive reports for that simple excuse, it's not logical and it's not common sense: a) half and more of those reports come from people who aren't from the media at all, and b) saying that any media report that's positive is false and any negative report is true is too extreme and can't be proven.
I mean, who says that the person making a negative report doesn't have other motives? If you're the only one spouting negative comments, while all others are positive, you're guaranteed to raise your hit count for your site drastically, and it'll certainly become high profile. Or who says that the reporter is truly objective? It could be a hardcore sandbox fan, or themepark hater, or WoW fanboi, or SWG pre-NGE fanboi who never got over it, all those things would heavily color his report he gave. I'm speaking in general here, I'm not saying that the guy who gave his impressions is like that, but you were talking in general making broad conclusions about the other reporters and previewers as well.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
The conversation you're promoting isn't about the game, it's offering opinions of opinions of the game. WHich makes it neither right or wrong, only some guys opinion. A guy who also talks about the whole of the game without actually seeing the whole of the game.
Now if you can kindly explain why this opinion carries any more weight than any other I'd like to hear it. Leave your guessing about who is paid off or not by EA out of it this time though as there's no proof of that in any shape or form.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson