Exactly what mods were there for d1 and d2 that are so damn important?
It's additional (usually free) content. What's there not to like about it?
Oh, nevermind thought people were talking about add-on style mods. Was reading another forum someone complaining they can't change the interface using the term mod.
Still didn't use any for the other games; did they ever have formal support?
I agree with the OP. Sure, D3 will sell more boxes because it has "Diablo" in the title but I feel that TL2 will be a better game. I loved D1, D1 Hellfire, D2, and D2 LOD but I just think that Blizzard has finally lost touch and has given in to greed and started catering to the masses. Sure, it's a good business move as you get more of every type of customers but you quit making games for the original gamers. It's a problem in all genres. Gamers have become everyone, yet the original "nerds" that played games are now left out because we are no longer the largest cash grab so we either have to play watered down games or indie games with subpar development.
To2: Another flop nobody'll know about in a month.
D3: another succesful Blizzard game for a decade or more.
bookmark this post if you think I'm wrong.
Oh yes because TL1 was a flop, get off your delusional high horse and see that Blizzard is not the only gaming company on this planet that makes good games.
Real money AH in my opinion is a good thing. I can make money off of little kids who don't want to earn their gear. Plus I will always play Diablo over torchlight. I own Diablo 1, 2 and lod and torchlight beaten them all and torchlight was somewhat dissapointing. Mods aren't a big deal to me, and all of the features of D3 are very cool sounding, even though I'll get both, I'll probably end up liking D3 more.
Just when I thought stoopid was as stupid as stewpid could get .. it got dummerer. Most of your points are based on your pure hatred of Blizzard. Damn SWTOR fanbois .. bringing new levels of stoopid to the mmo world since 2007.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
My heavily modded Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout NV, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Torchlight, Diablo 2, Titan Quest, et. el. with countless additional (and balanced; not all mods are cheats/hacks/exlpoits, you know) weapons, armor, and items, gameplay mechanics, quests, skills and abilities, graphic and performance improvements, bug fixes, balance improvements, etc. etc. scoffs at any "mods are so dumb lol" sentiments.
I agree with the OP. Sure, D3 will sell more boxes because it has "Diablo" in the title but I feel that TL2 will be a better game. I loved D1, D1 Hellfire, D2, and D2 LOD but I just think that Blizzard has finally lost touch and has given in to greed and started catering to the masses. Sure, it's a good business move as you get more of every type of customers but you quit making games for the original gamers. It's a problem in all genres. Gamers have become everyone, yet the original "nerds" that played games are now left out because we are no longer the largest cash grab so we either have to play watered down games or indie games with subpar development.
Exactly. With Diablo it is all about the popular name that Blizzard North created. Blizzard Irvine only published it and the current Diablo 3 has literally no experience with the previous games except for Chris Metzen who wrote the lore. Diablo 3 will sell more because Diablo 3 ultimate motivation which is money because of the RMAH. All the asian gold farms will be buying Diablo 3 to make a profit, not to enjoy the game.
there is no possible way in hell that torchlight will be better than diablo 3.
1. so they're taking a different approach to taking a stand and stopping farmers and spammers. is this going to cost you anything? no. nothing at all. it's actually going to PAY YOU for your hard work in game for items that you dont need. so what if blizzard takes a cut? they've said numerous times they are barely expecting to break even on that cut that they take. besides, it's a business, and business' are supposed to make money, so what the hell is the problem with this?
2. like many other people have said, 99% of mods suck. giving the code out to a bunch of amateur programmers makes for maybe .01% of those playable mods being DECENT. and for a game thats expected to have 2+ expansions, what do i need mods for? how do we know blizzard wont release any DLC between these expansions?
3. character customization??? honestly? for a top-down ARPG where you can barely see your character in the first place, who gives a crap if you can put different hairstyles on an avatar you wont even see because it's covered by armor?
4. lan....tell your friends to come over. get everyone connected to the router. everyone connect to diablo 3. make private game, password it, have friends join. BINGO! lan party.
5. single player.....who plays diablo single player? diablo 3 is set up for co-op play. scaling difficulty, drops specific for each player in game...who is going to play this game alone?
6. with the AH implementation, farmers will not succeed in this game.
7. blizzard's games have had some of the best soundtracks in gaming, PERIOD. torchlight 2 will be justin bieber compared to what diablo 3 has in store for us in terms of soundtrack.
8. cheaper price = cheaper game. runic can't afford to develop a game even remotely as well as blizzard and the diablo series.
9. better what??? you know this for a fact??? lets see some info to back up this whale of a statement.
10. who the hell is runic games? "they have 2 devs from OG diablo working with them" big ****ing deal. ARPG's were born with blizzard and the diablo franchise and there's no way blizzard's formula is going to be outdone.
and all this talk about blizzard "selling out" and making games for the masses.....so because they develop a game that is FAR more enjoyable and played by FAR more people than your crappy 3rd party ARPG, means they're selling out? i think not. that means they know what they're doing in terms of gameplay experience.
Having played D1, D2 LOD online, and Torchlight all three....I feel qualified to state my opinion. lol
I think it's pretty bold to proclaim Runic will make something better than Blizzard. Big difference in financial backing there, for one, and the game mechanics of D3 are going to be far more complex than that of T2. HOWEVER....having said that....I am sick to death of Blizzard and would rather give my money to Runic, SO....I plan on playing T2. But I don't delude myself into thinking it's for sure "better"....just makes my conscience feel better to spend my money there, that's all.
TL2 still might be better. Blizzard certainly has a lot more going for it in terms of budget, but they've become fat and lazy after their (well-earned) success. The Runic team is lean and hungry and not constrained by corporate bureaucracy. It's entirely possible that they'll put something out that rivals or possibly even surpasses D3.
That's still a long shot though because money makes the world go 'round and Blizz/Act is swimming in it. But I'm rooting for the little guy. Not to mention, everything new I hear about D3 makes me want to throw up in my mouth.
there is no possible way in hell that torchlight will be better than diablo 3.
1. so they're taking a different approach to taking a stand and stopping farmers and spammers. is this going to cost you anything? no. nothing at all. it's actually going to PAY YOU for your hard work in game for items that you dont need. so what if blizzard takes a cut? they've said numerous times they are barely expecting to break even on that cut that they take. besides, it's a business, and business' are supposed to make money, so what the hell is the problem with this?
If you honestly believe blizzard is just going to break even with the real money auction house, you are a fool. I also have some land to sale you it is in a prime location, just send me $500,000 and it is yours!
2. like many other people have said, 99% of mods suck. giving the code out to a bunch of amateur programmers makes for maybe .01% of those playable mods being DECENT. and for a game thats expected to have 2+ expansions, what do i need mods for? how do we know blizzard wont release any DLC between these expansions?
You have no idea what you are talking about here, if you honestly think 99% of mods made suck you have no clue about PC gaming. Stop being such a Blizzard fan and go out and try some games with a good mod community and actually see what it is about. Because as long as you’re talking crap like this, you sound dumb as a box of rocks.
3. character customization??? honestly? for a top-down ARPG where you can barely see your character in the first place, who gives a crap if you can put different hairstyles on an avatar you wont even see because it's covered by armor?
4. lan....tell your friends to come over. get everyone connected to the router. everyone connect to diablo 3. make private game, password it, have friends join. BINGO! lan party.
5. single player.....who plays diablo single player? diablo 3 is set up for co-op play. scaling difficulty, drops specific for each player in game...who is going to play this game alone?
I do when I travel, and who are you to tell me how to play my game after I purchase it. The only thing that does is make me not want to buy it.
6. with the AH implementation, farmers will not succeed in this game.
The only thing I have to say here is HAHA; if you really believe the BS you are shoveling for Blizzard!
7. blizzard's games have had some of the best soundtracks in gaming, PERIOD. torchlight 2 will be justin bieber compared to what diablo 3 has in store for us in terms of soundtrack.
8. cheaper price = cheaper game. runic can't afford to develop a game even remotely as well as blizzard and the diablo series.
Yeah tell that to SC2 a RTS that plays like ever RTS from the year 2000. Blizzard money sure lead to something special that RTS players have not seen before, right? You Blizzard hard core fans need to learn that there are other companies that make good games besides Blizzard.
9. better what??? you know this for a fact??? lets see some info to back up this whale of a statement.
10. who the hell is runic games? "they have 2 devs from OG diablo working with them" big ****ing deal. ARPG's were born with blizzard and the diablo franchise and there's no way blizzard's formula is going to be outdone.
and all this talk about blizzard "selling out" and making games for the masses.....so because they develop a game that is FAR more enjoyable and played by FAR more people than your crappy 3rd party ARPG, means they're selling out? i think not. that means they know what they're doing in terms of gameplay experience.
there is no possible way in hell that torchlight will be better than diablo 3.
1. so they're taking a different approach to taking a stand and stopping farmers and spammers. is this going to cost you anything? no. nothing at all. it's actually going to PAY YOU for your hard work in game for items that you dont need. so what if blizzard takes a cut? they've said numerous times they are barely expecting to break even on that cut that they take. besides, it's a business, and business' are supposed to make money, so what the hell is the problem with this?
2. like many other people have said, 99% of mods suck. giving the code out to a bunch of amateur programmers makes for maybe .01% of those playable mods being DECENT. and for a game thats expected to have 2+ expansions, what do i need mods for? how do we know blizzard wont release any DLC between these expansions?
3. character customization??? honestly? for a top-down ARPG where you can barely see your character in the first place, who gives a crap if you can put different hairstyles on an avatar you wont even see because it's covered by armor?
4. lan....tell your friends to come over. get everyone connected to the router. everyone connect to diablo 3. make private game, password it, have friends join. BINGO! lan party.
5. single player.....who plays diablo single player? diablo 3 is set up for co-op play. scaling difficulty, drops specific for each player in game...who is going to play this game alone?
6. with the AH implementation, farmers will not succeed in this game.
7. blizzard's games have had some of the best soundtracks in gaming, PERIOD. torchlight 2 will be justin bieber compared to what diablo 3 has in store for us in terms of soundtrack.
8. cheaper price = cheaper game. runic can't afford to develop a game even remotely as well as blizzard and the diablo series.
9. better what??? you know this for a fact??? lets see some info to back up this whale of a statement.
10. who the hell is runic games? "they have 2 devs from OG diablo working with them" big ****ing deal. ARPG's were born with blizzard and the diablo franchise and there's no way blizzard's formula is going to be outdone.
and all this talk about blizzard "selling out" and making games for the masses.....so because they develop a game that is FAR more enjoyable and played by FAR more people than your crappy 3rd party ARPG, means they're selling out? i think not. that means they know what they're doing in terms of gameplay experience.
Just had to make a few comments to this post.
2. Making up numbers in your head doesn't make it so. Lots of mods to Torchlight are very well made. Granted, I've not tried everyone of them, but those I've tried has been good.
3. In general, customization is a big deal to me. Even in Action RPGs. I'm really tired of having everyone look exactly like me.
5. I do. I rarely played Diablo 2 on Battle.net. WAAAAAAAY too many cheaters, lag, map hacks, gold spammers, did I mention lag? The netcode is horrible. When I played Diablo multiplayer I actually played it through LAN. So I guess I disagree with your 4th point aswell.
6. That's just a speculation. You have no idea at what rates farmers will sell their prices through their sites, and they may even use the AH to sell their wares.
7. This I truly disagree with. I can think of plenty of games with lots of better soundtrack. Sure, diablo's soundtrack is good, but there are far better ones. Just to give an example: Final Fantasy series, Secret of Mana, Castlevania series, Mass effect, Halo.. ofc these are just my opinion and everyone has their own favorite music type.
8. Torchlight may have a smaller budget, but it's still a really good and polished game.
10. lol, Blizzard fanboy or what?
Have you even tried Torchlight? You're saying it's crappy, but it's not. It's lots of fun, and if there's something you don't like... well download a mod that changes that. Last time I played Torchlight I downloaded a pack with ~24 new classes, all balanced and fresh. Stop being such a baby and actually try the game out. Give it a fair chance, and I can guarantee that you'll like it. I'm not saying that Torchlight 2 will be better then Diablo 3. But it will be a great game none the less, and I'll definately buy it.
"Dude you really need to stop speaking for everyone else"
lawls, sorry truth hurts. 99% of mods are utter crap, and 99% of people who buy the game won't touch them with a ten foot pole.
Median XL, Snej-Mod, Diablo the Awakening, and The Hell would like a word with you. Median XL alone has gotten over 7 million hits since launch in 2007...so a bit more than 1% wouldn't you say?
My point is, (and I know you won't agree with me but too bad I guess) mods often bring more replayability or even more content than the orginal game did, usually with better balance than what the devs could muster. Mods are going to stay popular because that's what a big part of the community wants. Maybe not in D3 but as long as they release enough content, unlike D2, then we won't need them for this game I suppose.
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
4. Lan is supported.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
6. No gold farmers!
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
9. Better loot
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
I will agree that ALL of those reasons are true that TorchLight 2 == better than Diablo 3.
HOWEVER, you forgot to mention that Torchlight 2 looks like CrayonMasters 2, and was created for 12yr olds. Seriously, look @ the screenshots && play Torchlight 1.....my eyes literally cannot take the game. It has ZERO gritty or "Demonic" awesomeness that is the Diablo Franchise. Obviously, those two original Diablo creators don't know CRAP about ambiance && what makes a cool dungeon crawler.
Beating up monsters made of crayons =/= fun. Sorry, Torchlight 2 just isn't on many people's radars. With that being said, myself && MANY people i know IRL or Online are still boycotting Diablo 3.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity: Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
3. Torchlight 2 will have superior character customization.
4. Lan is supported.
5. Single player offline play is supported.
6. No gold farmers!
7. Matt Uelmen is doing the Torchlight 2 soundtrack.
8. It will be much cheaper to buy compared to Diablo 3.
9. Better loot
10. Runic games has 2 of the original creators of Diablo games, they know arpgs!
You never played D3 or Torchlight 2. Just a troll thread. Obviously u have grudge against Blizzard... probably because of RMT auctionhouse.
It makes no different... if we have no real money auction house... well... there will be 3rd party site(d2jsp and Jagaur to make more money) and advertiser to sell top gear for real money..Too much hassle!!!
This way is much better and less to scam and more secure. This is perfect for anyone.. causual or hardcore... because u know hardcore wanna make money for casual to spend real money.. so its a win-win situation.
By adding an Auction House to Diablo 3 Blizzard has proven how inconsistent they are with their policy on RMT. Blizzard is adding this system to make more money and because they seem to think that because they are incapable of preventing RMT it is better to legalize it.
"Real-money trading also upsets the game's economy. Many players spend countless hours of game time earning gold so they can purchase skills, weapon upgrades, or runes to improve their characters. However, regular players cannot compete with the huge bot networks run on hundreds of computers that real-money trading companies use to constantly farm the game."
The goldfarmers won't stop, in fact they'll flourish. And so will the botting networks.
"These bot farms can make it nearly impossible for casual and hard-core players alike to reap the benefits of the time they spend in the game. Players may find that the value of their hard-earned items has dropped due to a glut of bot-collected items, or they may find that the cost of their upgrades skyrocket due to all that purchased gold flooding the market."
Blizzard will have to deal with mass inflation and deflation for certain items.
"There is also a shady side to real-money trading that players may not realize exists, but which has a serious impact on many players. Real-money trading companies hack into and steal legitimate accounts, often by distributing keystroke-logging malware to steal passwords. In fact, simply purchasing gold from these companies may open you up to a later hacking attempt. These hacked accounts are then stripped clean of any valuable in-game items and/or used for botting."
This is Blizzard's only way of justifying the existance of the Auction House. And will the illegal RMT really be stopped? No, Blizzard will be adding fees to the transactions, this will make them more expensive than illegal real-money transactions.
And on top of that, the executive producer seems to be utterly incompetent.
-Executive producer Rob Pardo replied: “Theoretically that’s true, but I mean there’s really nothing… what’s the difference between a player that plays the game a lot and a gold farmer? I mean they’re really doing the same activity.”-
"An executive producer (EP) is a producer who is not involved in any technical aspects of the film making or music process, but who is still responsible for the overall production. Typically an executive producer handles business and legal issues."
By adding an Auction House to Diablo 3 Blizzard has proven how inconsistent they are with their policy on RMT. Blizzard is adding this system to make more money and because they seem to think that because they are incapable of preventing RMT it is better to legalize it.
"Real-money trading also upsets the game's economy. Many players spend countless hours of game time earning gold so they can purchase skills, weapon upgrades, or runes to improve their characters. However, regular players cannot compete with the huge bot networks run on hundreds of computers that real-money trading companies use to constantly farm the game."
The goldfarmers won't stop, in fact they'll flourish. And so will the botting networks.
"These bot farms can make it nearly impossible for casual and hard-core players alike to reap the benefits of the time they spend in the game. Players may find that the value of their hard-earned items has dropped due to a glut of bot-collected items, or they may find that the cost of their upgrades skyrocket due to all that purchased gold flooding the market."
Blizzard will have to deal with mass inflation and deflation for certain items.
"There is also a shady side to real-money trading that players may not realize exists, but which has a serious impact on many players. Real-money trading companies hack into and steal legitimate accounts, often by distributing keystroke-logging malware to steal passwords. In fact, simply purchasing gold from these companies may open you up to a later hacking attempt. These hacked accounts are then stripped clean of any valuable in-game items and/or used for botting."
This is Blizzard's only way of justifying the existance of the Auction House. And will the illegal RMT really be stopped? No, Blizzard will be adding fees to the transactions, this will make them more expensive than illegal real-money transactions.
And on top of that, the executive producer seems to be utterly incompetent.
-Executive producer Rob Pardo replied: “Theoretically that’s true, but I mean there’s really nothing… what’s the difference between a player that plays the game a lot and a gold farmer? I mean they’re really doing the same activity.”-
"An executive producer (EP) is a producer who is not involved in any technical aspects of the film making or music process, but who is still responsible for the overall production. Typically an executive producer handles business and legal issues."
I was REALLY looking forward to this game until all of this stuff came out about. It's sad how you'll not only have to pay (and quite probably) lose money everytime you list an item on the real-world cash auctions due to underbidding, but you'll probably HAVE to play the auction house just to compete in PvP. Pretty sad really. GG Blizzard....GG.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Originally posted by Kyelthis Originally posted by Alot In response to point 1: By adding an Auction House to Diablo 3 Blizzard has proven how inconsistent they are with their policy on RMT. Blizzard is adding this system to make more money and because they seem to think that because they are incapable of preventing RMT it is better to legalize it. http://www.guildwars.com/support/rmt/rmt-en.php "Real-money trading also upsets the game's economy. Many players spend countless hours of game time earning gold so they can purchase skills, weapon upgrades, or runes to improve their characters. However, regular players cannot compete with the huge bot networks run on hundreds of computers that real-money trading companies use to constantly farm the game." The goldfarmers won't stop, in fact they'll flourish. And so will the botting networks. "These bot farms can make it nearly impossible for casual and hard-core players alike to reap the benefits of the time they spend in the game. Players may find that the value of their hard-earned items has dropped due to a glut of bot-collected items, or they may find that the cost of their upgrades skyrocket due to all that purchased gold flooding the market." Blizzard will have to deal with mass inflation and deflation for certain items. "There is also a shady side to real-money trading that players may not realize exists, but which has a serious impact on many players. Real-money trading companies hack into and steal legitimate accounts, often by distributing keystroke-logging malware to steal passwords. In fact, simply purchasing gold from these companies may open you up to a later hacking attempt. These hacked accounts are then stripped clean of any valuable in-game items and/or used for botting." This is Blizzard's only way of justifying the existance of the Auction House. And will the illegal RMT really be stopped? No, Blizzard will be adding fees to the transactions, this will make them more expensive than illegal real-money transactions. And on top of that, the executive producer seems to be utterly incompetent. -Executive producer Rob Pardo replied: Theoretically thats true, but I mean theres really nothing whats the difference between a player that plays the game a lot and a gold farmer? I mean theyre really doing the same activity.- http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/02/blizzard-on-diablo-3-gold-farmers-and-players-really-doing-the-same-activity/ "An executive producer (EP) is a producer who is not involved in any technical aspects of the film making or music process, but who is still responsible for the overall production. Typically an executive producer handles business and legal issues." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_producer And as a finishing touch, a proper reaction towards this issue. http://www.youtube.com/totalhalibut#p/c/2272A4EE84269E1F/3/GBrESZJlNvQ
ALOT, pretty sure you win the MVP in this thread. I was REALLY looking forward to this game until all of this stuff came out about. It's sad how you'll not only have to pay (and quite probably) lose money everytime you list an item on the real-world cash auctions due to underbidding, but you'll probably HAVE to play the auction house just to compete in PvP. Pretty sad really. GG Blizzard....GG.
If Diablo 3 was an MMORPG, then the points on the player to player real money transactions might have some merit. However, it's not an mmorpg, it's a lobby based rpg. You can spend your entire time playing the game without ever seeing, talking to or playing with another player. For that matter, anyone who's playing with their friends can go through the entire game and never see or interact with anyone they don't want to.
To 'compete' in PvP, you're going to be spending money no matter what. You can spend that money by giving it to other players, or you can spend it by giving it to third parties outside the game. Your choice...but spend the money you will.
But, I'll be buying TL2 when it drops. I'm not sure about D3. If for no other reason it'll be because people get their panties in such a twist over D3. "OMG! I have to pay other players to PvP instead of the gold farmers I would normally have to give money too! WAAAAAA! I need something new to whine about! WAAAAA!" And so on. Forever.
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I love statements of absolute facts about games that haven't been released yet
Oh, nevermind thought people were talking about add-on style mods. Was reading another forum someone complaining they can't change the interface using the term mod.
Still didn't use any for the other games; did they ever have formal support?
I agree with the OP. Sure, D3 will sell more boxes because it has "Diablo" in the title but I feel that TL2 will be a better game. I loved D1, D1 Hellfire, D2, and D2 LOD but I just think that Blizzard has finally lost touch and has given in to greed and started catering to the masses. Sure, it's a good business move as you get more of every type of customers but you quit making games for the original gamers. It's a problem in all genres. Gamers have become everyone, yet the original "nerds" that played games are now left out because we are no longer the largest cash grab so we either have to play watered down games or indie games with subpar development.
Oh yes because TL1 was a flop, get off your delusional high horse and see that Blizzard is not the only gaming company on this planet that makes good games.
You must really really love these forums then. It's a haven for people like you.
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Real money AH in my opinion is a good thing. I can make money off of little kids who don't want to earn their gear. Plus I will always play Diablo over torchlight. I own Diablo 1, 2 and lod and torchlight beaten them all and torchlight was somewhat dissapointing. Mods aren't a big deal to me, and all of the features of D3 are very cool sounding, even though I'll get both, I'll probably end up liking D3 more.
Just when I thought stoopid was as stupid as stewpid could get .. it got dummerer. Most of your points are based on your pure hatred of Blizzard. Damn SWTOR fanbois .. bringing new levels of stoopid to the mmo world since 2007.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
My heavily modded Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout NV, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Torchlight, Diablo 2, Titan Quest, et. el. with countless additional (and balanced; not all mods are cheats/hacks/exlpoits, you know) weapons, armor, and items, gameplay mechanics, quests, skills and abilities, graphic and performance improvements, bug fixes, balance improvements, etc. etc. scoffs at any "mods are so dumb lol" sentiments.
Oh I do!!! The amount of open minded comments, and unprejudiced discussion based around rational thought makes these forms an oasis in the desert...
Exactly. With Diablo it is all about the popular name that Blizzard North created. Blizzard Irvine only published it and the current Diablo 3 has literally no experience with the previous games except for Chris Metzen who wrote the lore. Diablo 3 will sell more because Diablo 3 ultimate motivation which is money because of the RMAH. All the asian gold farms will be buying Diablo 3 to make a profit, not to enjoy the game.
there is no possible way in hell that torchlight will be better than diablo 3.
1. so they're taking a different approach to taking a stand and stopping farmers and spammers. is this going to cost you anything? no. nothing at all. it's actually going to PAY YOU for your hard work in game for items that you dont need. so what if blizzard takes a cut? they've said numerous times they are barely expecting to break even on that cut that they take. besides, it's a business, and business' are supposed to make money, so what the hell is the problem with this?
2. like many other people have said, 99% of mods suck. giving the code out to a bunch of amateur programmers makes for maybe .01% of those playable mods being DECENT. and for a game thats expected to have 2+ expansions, what do i need mods for? how do we know blizzard wont release any DLC between these expansions?
3. character customization??? honestly? for a top-down ARPG where you can barely see your character in the first place, who gives a crap if you can put different hairstyles on an avatar you wont even see because it's covered by armor?
4. lan....tell your friends to come over. get everyone connected to the router. everyone connect to diablo 3. make private game, password it, have friends join. BINGO! lan party.
5. single player.....who plays diablo single player? diablo 3 is set up for co-op play. scaling difficulty, drops specific for each player in game...who is going to play this game alone?
6. with the AH implementation, farmers will not succeed in this game.
7. blizzard's games have had some of the best soundtracks in gaming, PERIOD. torchlight 2 will be justin bieber compared to what diablo 3 has in store for us in terms of soundtrack.
8. cheaper price = cheaper game. runic can't afford to develop a game even remotely as well as blizzard and the diablo series.
9. better what??? you know this for a fact??? lets see some info to back up this whale of a statement.
10. who the hell is runic games? "they have 2 devs from OG diablo working with them" big ****ing deal. ARPG's were born with blizzard and the diablo franchise and there's no way blizzard's formula is going to be outdone.
and all this talk about blizzard "selling out" and making games for the masses.....so because they develop a game that is FAR more enjoyable and played by FAR more people than your crappy 3rd party ARPG, means they're selling out? i think not. that means they know what they're doing in terms of gameplay experience.
TL2 still might be better. Blizzard certainly has a lot more going for it in terms of budget, but they've become fat and lazy after their (well-earned) success. The Runic team is lean and hungry and not constrained by corporate bureaucracy. It's entirely possible that they'll put something out that rivals or possibly even surpasses D3.
That's still a long shot though because money makes the world go 'round and Blizz/Act is swimming in it. But I'm rooting for the little guy. Not to mention, everything new I hear about D3 makes me want to throw up in my mouth.
what a surprise... more blizzard hate on mmorpg.com forumns....
Just had to make a few comments to this post.
2. Making up numbers in your head doesn't make it so. Lots of mods to Torchlight are very well made. Granted, I've not tried everyone of them, but those I've tried has been good.
3. In general, customization is a big deal to me. Even in Action RPGs. I'm really tired of having everyone look exactly like me.
5. I do. I rarely played Diablo 2 on Battle.net. WAAAAAAAY too many cheaters, lag, map hacks, gold spammers, did I mention lag? The netcode is horrible. When I played Diablo multiplayer I actually played it through LAN. So I guess I disagree with your 4th point aswell.
6. That's just a speculation. You have no idea at what rates farmers will sell their prices through their sites, and they may even use the AH to sell their wares.
7. This I truly disagree with. I can think of plenty of games with lots of better soundtrack. Sure, diablo's soundtrack is good, but there are far better ones. Just to give an example: Final Fantasy series, Secret of Mana, Castlevania series, Mass effect, Halo.. ofc these are just my opinion and everyone has their own favorite music type.
8. Torchlight may have a smaller budget, but it's still a really good and polished game.
10. lol, Blizzard fanboy or what?
Have you even tried Torchlight? You're saying it's crappy, but it's not. It's lots of fun, and if there's something you don't like... well download a mod that changes that. Last time I played Torchlight I downloaded a pack with ~24 new classes, all balanced and fresh. Stop being such a baby and actually try the game out. Give it a fair chance, and I can guarantee that you'll like it. I'm not saying that Torchlight 2 will be better then Diablo 3. But it will be a great game none the less, and I'll definately buy it.
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Median XL, Snej-Mod, Diablo the Awakening, and The Hell would like a word with you. Median XL alone has gotten over 7 million hits since launch in 2007...so a bit more than 1% wouldn't you say?
My point is, (and I know you won't agree with me but too bad I guess) mods often bring more replayability or even more content than the orginal game did, usually with better balance than what the devs could muster. Mods are going to stay popular because that's what a big part of the community wants. Maybe not in D3 but as long as they release enough content, unlike D2, then we won't need them for this game I suppose.
I will agree that ALL of those reasons are true that TorchLight 2 == better than Diablo 3.
HOWEVER, you forgot to mention that Torchlight 2 looks like CrayonMasters 2, and was created for 12yr olds. Seriously, look @ the screenshots && play Torchlight 1.....my eyes literally cannot take the game. It has ZERO gritty or "Demonic" awesomeness that is the Diablo Franchise. Obviously, those two original Diablo creators don't know CRAP about ambiance && what makes a cool dungeon crawler.
Beating up monsters made of crayons =/= fun. Sorry, Torchlight 2 just isn't on many people's radars. With that being said, myself && MANY people i know IRL or Online are still boycotting Diablo 3.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
I was hyped about diable 3 without even looking at torchlight 2.
blizzard kicked my hype in the nuts and i started to learn more about torchlight 2.
now i cannot wait for torchlight 2 its nice how a company like blizzard cleared that out for me.
imo, none know Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 which will be better before they release.
I will buy both of them , cuz I like this type of games. When I tired of them , I will know which is better.
You never played D3 or Torchlight 2. Just a troll thread. Obviously u have grudge against Blizzard... probably because of RMT auctionhouse.
It makes no different... if we have no real money auction house... well... there will be 3rd party site(d2jsp and Jagaur to make more money) and advertiser to sell top gear for real money..Too much hassle!!!
This way is much better and less to scam and more secure. This is perfect for anyone.. causual or hardcore... because u know hardcore wanna make money for casual to spend real money.. so its a win-win situation.
Kain_Dale
In response to point 1:
By adding an Auction House to Diablo 3 Blizzard has proven how inconsistent they are with their policy on RMT. Blizzard is adding this system to make more money and because they seem to think that because they are incapable of preventing RMT it is better to legalize it.
http://www.guildwars.com/support/rmt/rmt-en.php
"Real-money trading also upsets the game's economy. Many players spend countless hours of game time earning gold so they can purchase skills, weapon upgrades, or runes to improve their characters. However, regular players cannot compete with the huge bot networks run on hundreds of computers that real-money trading companies use to constantly farm the game."
The goldfarmers won't stop, in fact they'll flourish. And so will the botting networks.
"These bot farms can make it nearly impossible for casual and hard-core players alike to reap the benefits of the time they spend in the game. Players may find that the value of their hard-earned items has dropped due to a glut of bot-collected items, or they may find that the cost of their upgrades skyrocket due to all that purchased gold flooding the market."
Blizzard will have to deal with mass inflation and deflation for certain items.
"There is also a shady side to real-money trading that players may not realize exists, but which has a serious impact on many players. Real-money trading companies hack into and steal legitimate accounts, often by distributing keystroke-logging malware to steal passwords. In fact, simply purchasing gold from these companies may open you up to a later hacking attempt. These hacked accounts are then stripped clean of any valuable in-game items and/or used for botting."
This is Blizzard's only way of justifying the existance of the Auction House. And will the illegal RMT really be stopped? No, Blizzard will be adding fees to the transactions, this will make them more expensive than illegal real-money transactions.
And on top of that, the executive producer seems to be utterly incompetent.
-Executive producer Rob Pardo replied: “Theoretically that’s true, but I mean there’s really nothing… what’s the difference between a player that plays the game a lot and a gold farmer? I mean they’re really doing the same activity.”-
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/08/02/blizzard-on-diablo-3-gold-farmers-and-players-really-doing-the-same-activity/
"An executive producer (EP) is a producer who is not involved in any technical aspects of the film making or music process, but who is still responsible for the overall production. Typically an executive producer handles business and legal issues."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_producer
And as a finishing touch, a proper reaction towards this issue.
http://www.youtube.com/totalhalibut#p/c/2272A4EE84269E1F/3/GBrESZJlNvQ
ALOT, pretty sure you win the MVP in this thread.
I was REALLY looking forward to this game until all of this stuff came out about. It's sad how you'll not only have to pay (and quite probably) lose money everytime you list an item on the real-world cash auctions due to underbidding, but you'll probably HAVE to play the auction house just to compete in PvP. Pretty sad really. GG Blizzard....GG.
The Diablo series lives on, ladies and gentlemen.
... in the Torchlight series.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I was REALLY looking forward to this game until all of this stuff came out about. It's sad how you'll not only have to pay (and quite probably) lose money everytime you list an item on the real-world cash auctions due to underbidding, but you'll probably HAVE to play the auction house just to compete in PvP. Pretty sad really. GG Blizzard....GG.
If Diablo 3 was an MMORPG, then the points on the player to player real money transactions might have some merit. However, it's not an mmorpg, it's a lobby based rpg. You can spend your entire time playing the game without ever seeing, talking to or playing with another player. For that matter, anyone who's playing with their friends can go through the entire game and never see or interact with anyone they don't want to.
To 'compete' in PvP, you're going to be spending money no matter what. You can spend that money by giving it to other players, or you can spend it by giving it to third parties outside the game. Your choice...but spend the money you will.
But, I'll be buying TL2 when it drops. I'm not sure about D3. If for no other reason it'll be because people get their panties in such a twist over D3. "OMG! I have to pay other players to PvP instead of the gold farmers I would normally have to give money too! WAAAAAA! I need something new to whine about! WAAAAA!" And so on. Forever.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.