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TigerDriver
Member Posts: 43
These guys (AV) have no intention of updating this game and are literally running down the list of excuses over the last year to fix/update stuff they showed us almost 2 years ago. Resorting to unforseen "vacations" in the latest attempt to keep people sub'd so they can collect another month of $$.
Played since beta and wish I had un-sub'd a year ago. Some of the most glaring bugs that they promised would be fixed are just getting added to a ever growing list of things "coming out in the next few weeks' that has been repeated/reported since last year.
They even used "not your concern at this moment" in regards to a server wipe of some type mentioned a month ago. Save your money.
EDIT 8/28/2011~ Trying to respond and correct any 'propagand(?)/misinformation/incorrect information' people post in this thread. I started this post strictly to point out the continued attempts by Aventurine to decive the player base and is based in fact only.
...and by fact, I mean the player base continuing to catch Aventurine contradicting what they said last week/month in their attempt to explain why a patch/fix isnt ready or being worked on *now* or what ever their new reason is. Saddly, this is not very difficult.
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When you run your own gaming company you can decide when your employees get vacations.
Its cool though, youll have fun playing one of the many other unfinished and bug ridden sandboxes, then youll come back to darkfall because you just want fun combat and fun pve with your ffa full loot pvp..
The issue isn't the vacations per se. I don't think people actually see any issues with that. But for Aventurine, they've yelled "Wolf" so many times we just don't know when it's true and when it's not. Lots of their posts are about "sorry, delay this week so come back next week" type of update with "insert random excuse taken from a hat". It gets tiring and since AV are now completly working on DF 2.0, they aren't bothering at all with DarkFall 1.0. There's also the notion of wipe still in the air, hard for people to decide wether to keep playing or take a break until DF2.0 (if it ever releases)
Thank you guy with one post! I will make sure I follow your instructions to the letter! No one spreads missinformation on the internet anyway...
If you don't like the game, that's fine. Presuming to tell people what to do especially on a one post account is a joke.
Till next time...
I am not sure post count is the thing that make criticism valid or not.
His point is that AVI have been slowing down their speed of patching a lot and that is true.
I wouldn't call it a legitime reason to quit or not trying out the game at all, but if you already are disgruntled on other stuff it might be the last drop.
And of course like most none Greece people does it seems to me like they always have vactions and retire many years before anyone else.
Still, if you enjoy your time in the game you should keep playing, if not stop waste your time-
There is valid criticism to be directed to AV, that much is true. Being disgruntled about something that happened in game or has to do with how AV handles things is also a valid concern. Making a new account just to bash whichever company adding in stuff like that bugs and the "not your concern at this moment" which are taken out of context is not valid critisicm as far as I am concerned. If someone has a specific issue with any game or company, let's hear it and dsicsuss it.
Till next time...
This is their last blog:
http://www.darkfallonline.com/blog/darkfall-2-0-a-closer-look/
Now you can beleive them or not, and to what extend it's your to decide. But they are a small company, so they need time.
We will see i guess, but i sure want to see what happen when i read this blog. Also i don't mind much giving them my money, at least they have made a mmo that is out the themepark route and have a lot of interesting and unique aspects, i wish we had more of those games, even if their quality isn't always that good. But still from all those outside box sandbox games, DF still have a pretty good quality imo.
There does seem to be a fairly large number of DF guilds seeking other games to play. Anecdotal evidence that some sort of issue with the company is driving players away.
But...as with all anecdotes, if you have no idea how MANY players are out in the ether seeking new games, you have nothing but a hunch, really. It's not hard evidence.
They're not going to find many titles with FFA Full Loot out there, and most of them are tiny indies with even bigger problems than DF.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I know for a fact many DF players are pretty well sticking to LoL / HoN and SC2 at the moment. Those of us not playing DF are for the most part not in another MMO... at least not seriously commited. I don't like supporting the OP in his message of not playing the game because it is a great / fun game... BUT... he is right. The game in its current form is simply not worth the money they are asking. They've pretty well come out and said all the updates that should have been in patches over the last two years have instead gone into the new build of Darkfall they've been secretly building while sucking up sub fees for a client they barely updated patch-wise over the course of the games life thus far.
While I can understand DF 2.0 SHOULD be amazing... I think it was a lowly step to be charging us for a game client they were not considering as the final build of the game that they could just patch as they went. Again I love the game, but would never tell anyone to play it due to the the fact DF 2.0 is coming (hopefully) soon enough, I hope they wipe the servers to be honest.. which is another reason not to start playing since even if you do all that progress might be lost.
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i could understand honestly how that must suck, i mean to not get basic patches on a regualr basis for what is esentially quite a buggy game is something that i would hate to experience. Even a buggy game the devs can go a lnog way by showing the community they are trying to fix issues on a regualr basis it at least helps keep players interested.
When darkfall first trailored i have to admit i was excited about the game, however on release when i came to buy it i was unable to purchase the game. I also seen a traielr for mortal online around the same time which looked exciting, then i was palying age of chivalry and someonetold me he was in the MO beta so i pre-ordered the game and got in beta to.
After reading up on darkfall i feel i luckily ended up with the right choice, talk of darkfall is always mentioned with huge grind, over powered magery, poor melee combat and a lack of information and communication from its dev team. I am however still interested in the game i want to play it and im hoping darkfall 2.0 will fix the grind skill cap and imbalances in combat and i would likely enjoy it imensly.
The reason i like mo is it has no grind, its more focused on melee combat and close combat with quite an involving combat system, the devs also communicate regualrly with the community and patches come every 2 weeks on average. The game cetainly has problems but the community never feels kept in the dark. MO is also more of a anbox mmo and has stayed true to its concept, were as darkfall seems to be a soley pvp focused affair that is now very different to its original concept.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I felt it was important to warn people that while not "lieing" to the game population, AV has done everything you could possible do without being called dishonest.
From bugs on main features (example-sea towers on the north american server still go active on 10am weekdays a year later) promised to be fixed for a year, skill gains that were posted in patch notes as 'increased' only to be proven they were not, activity update reports players catch them clip-N-pasting as "new" from previous reports.
I played for 2 years(?) since beta. It was a great game, and I am not bitter. But after two years there isnt a excuse that AV has not used to try and keep players paying their sub's and the last 8+'ish months its borderline dishonest.
So, save your money. Avoid paying these guys and allowing them to continue.
I quit for the same issues others did, luckily hearing all this I unsubbed a year ago. I stuck with it about 6 month's(at launch), and have come back twice since staying a month or two. Ultimately I end up quiting again due to the overpowering magic users, and the grind(though honestly not as much as the first issue). I came back today to check it out again, hoping to see it's better. 2.0 sounds exactly like what I have been waiting for.. I am hoping since they are such a small dev team the lack of updates is for 2.0, and it really sounds like that's the problem with the lack of updates this last year. If that's the case, and 2.0 delivers on the promises without game-breaking bugs I will be back that day. Especially if they wipe, can't believe they have not yet honestly since half the vets all skilled exploiting.
Hopefully 2.0 is here by the time I get back from basic and ait around Febuary of next year
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what OP described was the reason i unsubbed too
DFO might not be my favourite game, but its a game with a lot of potential.. i would hardly call it a con however, anything but.. i believe their serious about their game.. and their continuously working on it..
One thing they are not bothered about is the player base.
So let me get this straight..
Doing nothing to a game = bad
Totally upgrading the game to address past concerns as well as upgrading visuals and fluff = bad?
Were really bitching that they have been developing the game and are planning to do it all in one mega patch/expansion ?
Heaven forbid they upgrade the game...
...i mean seriously?
This is why I posted. Because a few people repeat this stuff like its the truth and people buy DF believing it.
The thrice named xpac/relaunch (2010,"arena","relaunch") is just another chapter in 'how can we continue with delays, missed ETA's and every few weeks write up more fluff pieces' nonsense from Aventurine.
Everything shown so far as "new" is from almost a year ago (new models,new dungeons, new lighting), the fact that video shown of a dungeon in the "new DF2.0" still has the bugs from DF1.0 speaks to their continued attempt to reword/rebox/rename the same stuff they (AV) have had for a year+ while pretending the player population is so stupid we cant even see the glitches in the new video.
Fact is AV doesn't have a lot of money and so production of things is slow but I think Darkfall for some hit the spot of some real great PvP and thats why it still be played and has a decent population ( it's not EvE but it sure shits on MO and a few others ).I really hope DF2.0 is a mesh of everything good in DF currently and everything that it should have been , if it take a little more time thats cool with me .
Darkfall sure is not the game for everyone but it still touched a lot of people and broght back meaning to PvP.
problem with the game is that it is run by a company who don't know shit to run it..
I've been playing darkfall for around 1.5 years now.. and still like it.. there is nothing to compare with the pvp combat not other game will offer the same thrill that darkfall is giving me. truely player skilled.. ( and believe me i tried every mmo out there P2P or F2P)
I do agree tthat AV is a fcked up company.. there is no communication at all with there customers.. it just seems they don't give a shit about there custumers..
What i would like to see.. is that AV is selling there project to a game company with some brains..Tho Av made this game from nothing with no or less resourcses.. ( peeple often forget that) I do respect them for that..
Current problems which will hopefully be fixed with 2.0 release..
- noobi friendly intro..
- questiing for good wins.
- New GUI
- new siege system
- armor/skill system
- possible more skill gains.
and some more stuff.
this 2.0 will either destroy darkfall or it will succeed.. That's the current situation
Your surprised with the amount of development that they are doing that its taking long? Is that it? You knew when you signed up its an indy compnay that takes a LONG time to develop...that should have been no surprise.
So your options are simple as far as full loot sandboxes go.... MO/Dawntide/Xyson/Earthrise...with their barely fucntional combat and "crafting game in a ffa pvp setting" theme where mobs are nothing more than lame resource node. Or the completely functional Darkfall, with entertaining pve and pvp...where theres more to do than craft and pvp people and where everything works smoothly. Also there is 2.0 in the works, which looks to be massive in content and issues addressed..so its not like they are putting darkfall out to rest.
I would also like to point out that those past "lies" told were probably due to releasing information before it was ready/known...yet now we want information now before they are ready to release it...see the irony there?
Let them take their time, i would rather have a solid 2.0 launch then have the rush it and turn the game into any of the other "barely beta" sandboxes.
You amount to saying this AVI is too small too unskilled to deliver the project, so instead of delivering a game they deliver a pile of (*&^.
You think we as customers should pay for that, and that we should respect their inability to scope their own ability.
You think people should not be critical of a company that has been systematically misrepresenting project progress.
You think people should not point out fallacies and false ad, just because this company promises something no one else deliver, not even themselves.
You may think it is important to maintain hopes about something good. Fine. If you enjoy reading a list of promise, fine too. DF2 maybe hell or heaven, but surely few cares anymore.
All the OP is saying is, this project is not worth his money, and he tells us why. The OP is saying, he does not want to be milked by paying for the claimed production of another game, while being served a dead game this is not maintained. That is not what he expects from paying for an online game.
To the OP: I think most people knows, that is why DF is enjoying such a sub level. Too bad you give them 2 years before dropping your faith. It is extremely stupid for the developer to alienate its tiny subscriber base when developing a new expansion that few outside the current sub base care to take a look. Sad story, echoing the common accusation that this developer is clueless on how to make the game successful.
yes we are mad because of them not re-releasing the game but if you say don't buy the game you know nothing. Darkfall is perfect to play in current state, you only need friends to have LOADS, SHITLOADS of fun.
people like OP usually post this because they are bad in game and don't have any friends to play with and want to deny fact they wery well know - darkfall is best mmo and will be until replaced by same principles other MMO. I still find it hard that will happen in next 15 years.
I am not defending AV here, just stating darkfall IS the best game today.
To say the current game is not maintained is factual wrong. It got several patches this year including bigger changes like the wilderness area and chaos churches and it will also get a siege mechanics revamp.
The "milked by paying ..for another game" is also used contradictional. Darkfall chapter 2.0 is a update to the game and falls also under the category "maintanance". Paying them to update the game is perfectly fine and sounds very reasonable makes both the game not dead and the game receives "maintantance".
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DFO to me is the best pvp MMO out right now but I wouldnt recommend it to anyone in its current state. Not because the game is full of bugs and not enjoyable, because the company running it is trash.
I can understand its a small deve team so things take time but the communication from AV is almost insulting. I dont give a foch about videos and info on things that "might" make in into the next patch. I want to know when the patches are going to be released. I played for about a year andd during that year I got 0 solid info from AV about a patch. All of it was posts about things their working on which may or may not make it into DFO 2010/Arena/2.0....lol.
I reason I'm not subbed to DFO currently is pretty simple. AV doesn't deserve my $15 a month sub. I will likely try 2.0 (??) once it releases but if its buggy and not worth the 2-3 year wait I'll unsubb again in a heart beat and never look back. Theres sooo much potential with DFO but the company running it is full of blind fools. Until they get their act together i'll spend my $15 elsewhere :-)
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@ N00bara- Played since beta and was in the top clan/alliance with a max'd out toon.
Just read the latest blog report, they couldnt even get the ore/color right. And if concept art with vague statements that dont even match what your showing (he says you will be able to use 6 weapon icons and the art shows 9) how could it possibly be "in-game" and even be close to giving a ETA for release?
Its not like I'm making this stuff up, every blog report just underlines what I have been saying~ save your money for a indie company that really is trying to make a game and not just string its player base along.
This is easily the worst mmo I have ever played.
- rude, ignorant developers
- not enough content, player content is crap
- unbalanced combat
- requires high end PC for bad graphics, animations
- bugged GUI
- no real story lines
- kill 10 rats quests
- load lag, exploits
- awful community
- very low population
- grind for stats, too many needed buffs
- bugs from launch still not fixed
- etc