Horrible logic, if that were the case they'd just sell it to everyone right off the bat simply to cash in.
Not particularly, as it is easier and cheaper for EA to sell a game in one region, especially a large region such as the US.
Different localisation, etc. costs an exceptional amount of money.
M
Oh I cometely disagree, if they were worried about cashing in I'd assume they'd spend that money there instead of putting it into the game, server costs are not that expensive for a company, if pure profit and not a quality product was priority one, they'd be far more focused on a global release. As they'd want to sell that bad product every where, otherwise the initial reaction would scare later markets off.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So the reason was that they logistically can't gather beta information back from the beta testers in the EU due to time difference? Seems like a decent enough reason to me.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Horrible logic, if that were the case they'd just sell it to everyone right off the bat simply to cash in.
Not particularly, as it is easier and cheaper for EA to sell a game in one region, especially a large region such as the US.
Different localisation, etc. costs an exceptional amount of money.
M
Oh I cometely disagree, if they were worried about cashing in I'd assume they'd spend that money there instead of putting it into the game, server costs are not that expensive for a company, if pure profit and not a quality product was priority one, they'd be far more focused on a global release. As they'd want to sell that bad product every where, otherwise the initial reaction would scare later markets off.
Possibly, I'm not exactly an expert and just have my own opinions from my own 'research' so I may possibly be wrong, but then again it is just my opinion and I don't expect anyone else to follow me in that.
M
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu, the Art of War
Beta is not a given, they do not owe you anything beta wise, it is NOT so you can "try it out" it is simply suposed to be stress and bug tests. You are not entitled to it and mentioning it in the same lines as gadafi or animal abuse is pathetic.
I am in the uk and have been signed up for beta since day one of it being available, personally I am happy to wait.
You are not a customer of theres yet they do not owe you anything you are acting selfrighteous indignant self opinionated.
Sure you are not american :P
Was I abit harsh ?
considering the following:
people have already pre-ordered (and presumably paid for) the game, so they ARE customers
MMO devs treat beta tests like demos, if they were really going to "test" the game then they would leave obvious bugs in the build intentionally and make players fill out forms every hour or so. why? because it lets you eliminate the people that want to treat it like a demo.
because it IS those players that ruin the games release.
1) When did getting into a BETA!!! become a human right? It is, after all, supposed to be testing and this early on it probably still is. If you are looking for the "we call it testing but it is really a promotion, Open Beta" that will probably happen closer to release.
2) People from the US might be more sympathetic if you didn't assume we were in on some mass conspiracy with Bioware, EA, the CIA, the NSA, the Teamsters, the Bilderberg Group and our alien allies to screw over Europe concerning a video game.
3) They are an American company after all. If they are going to have probably 1 cluster of beta servers and quite probably only 1 beta server until open beta, where do you think they will put that ONE beta server? When a Korean game has a beta I don't expect it to be in the US. When a Norwegian company has a beta I don't expect it to be in the US. When a US company has a beta I just hope I economy keeps running long enough for me to get in on it.
4) When speaking of EA, it would be more accurate to understand the situation, not so much in terms of who they are screwing over but who they are screwing over, more. We are all their customers after all. (and that by choice no less.)
Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.
BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.
But this became human rights debate.
Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.
Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...
Well, you make such a post and start throwing national titles around and making one seem "bad", expect people to take some issue with it. As even one of your EU compatriots stated, while I can sympathize with your ordeal, your presentation needs work.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.
BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.
But this became human rights debate.
Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.
Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...
This is what has become of the internet. Just look at youtube comments. Even music videos turn into racial/political/religious debates. I'm sure everyone here is guilty of typing before they think. Thank the Mods for giving us the edit button.
I dont see much of a problem here. That they only want one EU testing thread is understandable, thats standard moderating on any forum to prevent having multiple threads about the exact same topic. Also, if they are not going to block ip's when the game is released, then there isnt really a problem imo.
As for blocking EU customers fror the beta. I cant think of any good reason for this. Timezone is a ridiculous argument for this. You can always give feedback through forum or with some games ingame during beta. This information doesnt disappear with time due to timezone. On the other hand, whats the big deal really if you are not allowed to participate in the first round? I can only imagine that its being annoying if you just want to play and its not about testing.
Im from the EU btw and agree that some companies (not just western companies, also asian companies when they start westernisation only in the US) put the EU in the backseat, but so far I dont see that problem with SWTOR.
a) yea BETA is not your right, but BETA is your favor to do free testing for developer (even if you dont submit anything you still test load etc.) so developer should not behave like a shit to his free testers
b) stop behave like stupid adicts and stop doing free beta testing, you can see if game is worth your money even without that.
Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.
BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.
But this became human rights debate.
Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.
Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...
Well, you make such a post and start throwing national titles around and making one seem "bad", expect people to take some issue with it. As even one of your EU compatriots stated, while I can sympathize with your ordeal, your presentation needs work.
Anyone that played games for a while ( over 20 years in my case ), knows that US developers ussualy shun EU players / customers.
That doesnt mean I will go JIHAD ON US DEVS ! It means I will do only thing I can really. Complain on forums. It means nothing and changes nothing. But makes me feel better.
Perhaps my presentation does need work, but people need to stop looking "beyond what has been writen". This is a pub forum not words of Budha that need interpretation and years of study.
Well it seems we EU players are once again treated like third rate customers. I guess our money stinks, but its necesarry to make game avalible in EU as well because - thats what cool kids do ! YOu let neighbours kid that smells funny and talks funny play with you every now and then. Its not his fault, poor bastard ... Im naturaly talking about o beta weekend for EU. So we got vocal. Complained on forums ( go figure ) and demanded at least SOME info. Well monday was labour day in US. So devs were on prolonged weekend, during beta testing weekend no less. Makes sence I guess ... Tuesday comes and so do devs / admins. They simply delete all EU complaining threads. Ban people that ask, what gives with Gadafi treatment EA / BW ? Now we are forbiden to ask ANYTHING regarding beta or EU, Because we will get insta ban. Im use to being treated like second class citizen as EU customer to US companies. Like a dog that got beaten too man times and now hes simply induring it. But this is way too much. Its like fliping the bird to whole EU.
Not only EA, alas. In the gaming scene, we Euros are mostly treated as second best.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Australia and other "red zones" has no official release plans announced currently, if ever.
I'm not cut up about not playing the game at launch as I can read actual reviews and miss out at the last minute bug fixing after release. But I do want to eventually play.
Its a US company, of course your going to be a second rate citizen, welcome to the world? How do you think people in the US feel about trying to get the newest Anime/Mangas or any of that from the Asian countrys? You just gotta learn to deal with it, theres games that open in asian, and UK countrys and dont open in US till months later, its just the way things are, no reason getting bent out of shape over it.
Im wondering why the EU beta testers have to play at the US servers.They supposed to test and the stability/perfomance of the EU servers right?
I want to add that in all normal beta tests,EU testers test the game at EU servers and US testers at US servers...something smells and it not a fish..I just hope that the game will not first be released at US and later on at EU...It feels like they throw a candy to EU testers (playing at US servers) to just keep em happy.I hope im wrong but it feels like that.
Its a US company, of course your going to be a second rate citizen, welcome to the world? How do you think people in the US feel about trying to get the newest Anime/Mangas or any of that from the Asian countrys? You just gotta learn to deal with it, theres games that open in asian, and UK countrys and dont open in US till months later, its just the way things are, no reason getting bent out of shape over it.
You forgot one simple thing, we share the same lanuage
Bioware, the only company to create an MMO that causes an international incident.
While I can understand the dissapointment of the redzoners (I'm one too) and those in the EU that desperatly want into beta, and while I realize this web site is devoted to discussing MMOs, those of you who are seriously pissed off about this situation go and take a good look through the world news. There are many people out there in the big bad world with real problems. If not being able to directly buy a copy of SWTOR or get into the first round of beta are the worst things in your lives you can find to complain about, condsider yourselves goddamed lucky.
And if this little forum thread is all it takes for many of you to start flinging nationality based insults like a bunch of crap flinging monkeys, maybe EA would be wiser to keep the groups seperate, as it seems a large percentage of players on both sides are too immature to behave like civilized human beings.
Jeux Sans Frontières indeed.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
@Beachcomber Taking the information from Ukforze, Rockstar Games is in your country. The Uk release of GTA 4 was in April, the US release was in December. Your argument is invalid.
As promised, we have an update on the batch of Game Testing invites being sent to players in the EU.
After a lengthy discussion here at the BioWare offices, the decision has been made to postpone the proposed Game Testing invites for EU players for a number of reasons.
Firstly, there’s a new build of the game on the horizon. This is a major build, meaning there will be character wipes and a new client to download. As you may be aware, the current client download is around 27GB in size. If we were to invite players en masse today, those players would have to download the entirety of the client to access the game. There’s every chance that later this week, the service will go offline and this new version will be rolled out, meaning everyone currently in Testing will have to not only download the entire client again (another 27GB download), but will also have their characters erased and have to start afresh. This is a relatively large amount to download in such a short space of time and not an experience we want new testers to be exposed to.
Secondly, this new build will bring about the first localised versions of Star Wars: The Old Republic, which means those of you that speak French and German will have the chance to play the game in those languages, for the first time ever. We’re extremely excited to be able to offer this to our players and as such, we’re keen to get a lot of feedback from European testers in particular.
For those of you that may have missed the messages we put out on the subject already, last week saw a number of issues arise with key systems that prevented us from sending out invites to EU players. Had everything gone to plan, we would have been able to offer two weeks of testing time to new users. However, given the issues that arose, this was physically not possible.
So while we understand that this news may not be what a lot of you wanted to hear today, we hope that you’ll understand our position. Given the news of this new build, it’s now more important than ever that we invite European players into the Game Testing environments, so you have my word that this batch of invites will happen, it may just mean you just have to wait a little longer.
It’s also important to remember this is just the beginning. In the future, we’ll be inviting more and more testers to the EU Game Testing environments as well as future Game Testing weekends. So even if you’re not invited to this next round of testing, there will still be plenty of chances to get involved.
As ever, as soon as I get any firm news around the matter, I’ll make sure to update everyone.
@Beachcomber Taking the information from Ukforze, Rockstar Games is in your country. The Uk release of GTA 4 was in April, the US release was in December. Your argument is invalid.
Does wiki tell you that the US distributors were taking US pre-orders for GTA 4 in Feb?
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Oh I cometely disagree, if they were worried about cashing in I'd assume they'd spend that money there instead of putting it into the game, server costs are not that expensive for a company, if pure profit and not a quality product was priority one, they'd be far more focused on a global release. As they'd want to sell that bad product every where, otherwise the initial reaction would scare later markets off.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So the reason was that they logistically can't gather beta information back from the beta testers in the EU due to time difference? Seems like a decent enough reason to me.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Possibly, I'm not exactly an expert and just have my own opinions from my own 'research' so I may possibly be wrong, but then again it is just my opinion and I don't expect anyone else to follow me in that.
M
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- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
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considering the following:
people have already pre-ordered (and presumably paid for) the game, so they ARE customers
MMO devs treat beta tests like demos, if they were really going to "test" the game then they would leave obvious bugs in the build intentionally and make players fill out forms every hour or so. why? because it lets you eliminate the people that want to treat it like a demo.
because it IS those players that ruin the games release.
1) When did getting into a BETA!!! become a human right? It is, after all, supposed to be testing and this early on it probably still is. If you are looking for the "we call it testing but it is really a promotion, Open Beta" that will probably happen closer to release.
2) People from the US might be more sympathetic if you didn't assume we were in on some mass conspiracy with Bioware, EA, the CIA, the NSA, the Teamsters, the Bilderberg Group and our alien allies to screw over Europe concerning a video game.
3) They are an American company after all. If they are going to have probably 1 cluster of beta servers and quite probably only 1 beta server until open beta, where do you think they will put that ONE beta server? When a Korean game has a beta I don't expect it to be in the US. When a Norwegian company has a beta I don't expect it to be in the US. When a US company has a beta I just hope I economy keeps running long enough for me to get in on it.
4) When speaking of EA, it would be more accurate to understand the situation, not so much in terms of who they are screwing over but who they are screwing over, more. We are all their customers after all. (and that by choice no less.)
All die, so die well.
Ya its not like EU gaming companies do it to US players...oh wait ya they do!
Black Prophecy Online
Maestia Online
Pristontale 2 online
YS online
Any Gamingo CB testing !.......................GET OVER IT!
Actually, I started this thread to let off some steam.
BAck in the day, probably before most of you walked, that was something of a norm. The discussion would go back and forth as it does on forums.
But this became human rights debate.
Or even wether or not I represent EU gamer community.
Amazing what people conclude from a simple thread...
Well, you make such a post and start throwing national titles around and making one seem "bad", expect people to take some issue with it. As even one of your EU compatriots stated, while I can sympathize with your ordeal, your presentation needs work.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
This is what has become of the internet. Just look at youtube comments. Even music videos turn into racial/political/religious debates. I'm sure everyone here is guilty of typing before they think. Thank the Mods for giving us the edit button.
I dont see much of a problem here. That they only want one EU testing thread is understandable, thats standard moderating on any forum to prevent having multiple threads about the exact same topic. Also, if they are not going to block ip's when the game is released, then there isnt really a problem imo.
As for blocking EU customers fror the beta. I cant think of any good reason for this. Timezone is a ridiculous argument for this. You can always give feedback through forum or with some games ingame during beta. This information doesnt disappear with time due to timezone. On the other hand, whats the big deal really if you are not allowed to participate in the first round? I can only imagine that its being annoying if you just want to play and its not about testing.
Im from the EU btw and agree that some companies (not just western companies, also asian companies when they start westernisation only in the US) put the EU in the backseat, but so far I dont see that problem with SWTOR.
a) yea BETA is not your right, but BETA is your favor to do free testing for developer (even if you dont submit anything you still test load etc.) so developer should not behave like a shit to his free testers
b) stop behave like stupid adicts and stop doing free beta testing, you can see if game is worth your money even without that.
Anyone that played games for a while ( over 20 years in my case ), knows that US developers ussualy shun EU players / customers.
That doesnt mean I will go JIHAD ON US DEVS ! It means I will do only thing I can really. Complain on forums. It means nothing and changes nothing. But makes me feel better.
Perhaps my presentation does need work, but people need to stop looking "beyond what has been writen". This is a pub forum not words of Budha that need interpretation and years of study.
Not only EA, alas. In the gaming scene, we Euros are mostly treated as second best.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Im wondering why the EU beta testers have to play at the US servers.They supposed to test and the stability/perfomance of the EU servers right?
Well Beachcomber is from good old Scotland, a country that gave us Rockstar Games
(Grand Theft Auto) ever heard of it?
To Answer your question heres a few more of the top of my head, im sure there more & better
than these but still...
Codemasters, Rockstar, Sports interactive, Eidos Interactive, Psygnosis, Acclaim
The Deathstar destroyed planets...Lucas Arts destroyed Galaxies
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Played:
SWG | EVE | WOW | VG | LOTRO | WAR | FML | STO | APB | AOC | MORTAL | WOT | BP | SW:TOR
EU have it bad?
Australia and other "red zones" has no official release plans announced currently, if ever.
I'm not cut up about not playing the game at launch as I can read actual reviews and miss out at the last minute bug fixing after release. But I do want to eventually play.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Its a US company, of course your going to be a second rate citizen, welcome to the world? How do you think people in the US feel about trying to get the newest Anime/Mangas or any of that from the Asian countrys? You just gotta learn to deal with it, theres games that open in asian, and UK countrys and dont open in US till months later, its just the way things are, no reason getting bent out of shape over it.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
I want to add that in all normal beta tests,EU testers test the game at EU servers and US testers at US servers...something smells and it not a fish..I just hope that the game will not first be released at US and later on at EU...It feels like they throw a candy to EU testers (playing at US servers) to just keep em happy.I hope im wrong but it feels like that.
You forgot one simple thing, we share the same lanuage
/faceplam
Bioware, the only company to create an MMO that causes an international incident.
While I can understand the dissapointment of the redzoners (I'm one too) and those in the EU that desperatly want into beta, and while I realize this web site is devoted to discussing MMOs, those of you who are seriously pissed off about this situation go and take a good look through the world news. There are many people out there in the big bad world with real problems. If not being able to directly buy a copy of SWTOR or get into the first round of beta are the worst things in your lives you can find to complain about, condsider yourselves goddamed lucky.
And if this little forum thread is all it takes for many of you to start flinging nationality based insults like a bunch of crap flinging monkeys, maybe EA would be wiser to keep the groups seperate, as it seems a large percentage of players on both sides are too immature to behave like civilized human beings.
Jeux Sans Frontières indeed.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Actually, he didn't insult US players only a US company which, ironically, US players are usually very happy to insult themselves.
Either way, as a European I'm not fussed about the beta thing and would like to dissociate myself from the OP.
Here's the official update on EU testing:
Does wiki tell you that the US distributors were taking US pre-orders for GTA 4 in Feb?
My argument is valid