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But didnt they come out and say it WOULDNT officially be in the game at all in the first place? Which is what started all the...."controversy" ?
I dont think they're trying to say it was planned all along. Because it wasnt. They caved in and submitted to the hundreds of people making a fuss. Its been a long time coming, but Ive finally after all these years totally lost my respect for Bioware.
How dare those guys lesson to the community!!!!!!!! ASSHOLES!!!!!!
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Nah that's not what they said. After 2 years, and 35 threads it was mentioned in an interview 3 weeks ago that "No, SGRAs are not in SWTOR." That was it, no explanation, no caveats, nothing. Just six words, speaking of the present tense.
The next day the main thread was updated with a statement saying something like "We understand your interest in this feature. At this time SGRAs are not in SWTOR blah blah [...] We will have a further response on this topic soon." Fast forward 3 weeks to today.
So all we know is that 3 weeks ago and currently SGRAs are not in the game. They said it had been in planning from the start but was moved to post-launch. I can sort of believe this, since it's in most of the past recent Bioware games. But I wish 3 weeks ago in that interview that the guy had just said "No, SGRA is not in SWTOR at this time. We plan for it to be in soon in post-launch via a patch or expansion."
funny how if this was a game or dev you liked youd probably call it "listening to the community"
Nope. I'd say the same thing. Don't get me wrong it IS listening to the community. My point was that they seem likethey're trying to claim they planned it this way from the start. It's not what they're doing or why, so much as how. I mean I don't care, I'm glad they're putting it in regardless.
sure thing bud. where did it say that they said they planned this all along? im taking your advice and calling a spade a spade.
From the official release statement in the first post:
"Due to the design constraints of a fully voiced MMO of this scale and size, many choices had to be made as to the launch and post-launch feature set. Same gender romances with companion characters in Star Wars: The Old Republic will be a post-launch feature. "
The way that's worded, it implies they made a design choice when coming up with the game initially about what made it in pre and post launch, and they for some reason chose all same-sex relationships to be post launch. Personally, I'd say it was more they chose to make the change after the massive amount of fire they took from gamers. Which is fine. Can't blame em, I'd have done it too. Even though I 100% understand why they didn't want to include them in the first place. But all the same, they could just say that, and not make it a "we planned this all along" retcon.
But didnt they come out and say it WOULDNT officially be in the game at all in the first place? Which is what started all the...."controversy" ?
I dont think they're trying to say it was planned all along. Because it wasnt. They caved in and submitted to the hundreds of people making a fuss. Its been a long time coming, but Ive finally after all these years totally lost my respect for Bioware.
How dare those guys lesson to the community!!!!!!!! ASSHOLES!!!!!!
And now the community is raging about it being added to the game. They should remove it now I guess? Since they're listening to the community after all.
Pretty much they shouldn't of listened to the community to begin with. They should of learned this lesson from WoW.
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It depends, if Bioware recived enough positive feedback from gay, straight, and all points in between players saying they would like to see this feature included, or at least would not be offended if it was, that they decided ok let's add SGRs, fine. But if they allowed negative feedback and threats intimidate them into adding SGRs against their wishes, then yes they are assholes.
While I personally have zero issues with the inclusuion of SGRs into SWTOR, nor any issues with people who enjoy same sex relationshios in real life, I take massive offence at the idea of a company being browbeaten into adding an unintended feature to please a section of the population when they have zero obligation to do so.
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This game is +3 age, so what can you do? Hug?
I do think they didn't add it from the beginning because of time constraints rather than appeasing traditional morals: it is catering for a minority and logically doesn't have the highest priority. They do have a tremendous load of things to develop, test and polish before their intended launch schedual already.
I also think it is a great move to add it and they deserve praise for it. Allowing and respecting people to be what they are regardless of the gender they are attracted to and have them be able to live normal, worthy lives in society is one of the last great hurdles for many people in our "civilized" and "free" day and age.
Being different and sticking your head out in this regard is still inviting a lot of people to chop it off or at least take offense from whatever backward reasoning.
So yes, the crowd which opposes this move is actually proposing to limit the freedoms of people who are different: they themselves don't have to be involved in any way and can happily enjoy straight relationships if they so choose (like I will), or disregard them alltogether. So I wonder why they even care about what happens on another guy's / girl's spaceship anyway. I wish they would mind their own business rather than having a ball at being publically "offended". It is kind of selfish and pathetic in my eyes.
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Like I've stated before. I don't care what you or any one else does in THEIR spaceship. I care what happens in MY spaceship.
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I don't intend to pursue any romances with any of my companion npcs; however, if that is your thing and you are strongly for SGRA then that is fine.
Seems like lots of features are being added to post-launch on this game...
1.It's your own personal story, so no one else is even going to see it.
2. They will probably do a kiss then fade to black like their other games.
I do not really see what the issue is. I don't think it was planned and is probably being added to appease the community, but so what? I does not effect me a bit.
In Bioware we trust!
It's an MMO.
Someone stood on a soapbox and got enough people behind them to create an 'issue'. It's how things get done these days. *shrug* I am glad the folks who want it will be happy and I am sure there will be an option to disable it or a lot of kiddies will be seeing and hearing things that Mommy and Daddy don't want them to (not that they can't Google 'naked female Twi'lek already....)
Pro-ers won. Cool. Shall we get to the next issue now?
Yay! This is very good news!
Wish I could read the artical, site is down. Anyways, this is my big thing here, Who honestly cares? 90% of the masses would have been fine with opisite gender relationships only, 95% of all people will still go this way when they play a male toon, the only people that will truely utilize this fuction is Males in real life playing female toons. Dont get me wrong, anyone who played dragon age as a male most likly had sex with Zevran, but thats only because they found it funny and the only time they did it a 2nd time, is when they had there buddies over and were like oh yeah watch this!
And im not saying that the gay and lesbian community will not be a contributing force in this game, but I think most are mature enough to understand its a game. Im glad to here that they will be adding in this feature, but I honestly could care less if they did have any relationships in the game to begain with. I mean seriously How far can they push it in a star wars game, Im sure biowere is shooting for a T=Teen Rating at the worse. so Like somone said, at most it will be a kissing sceen and fade to black, as it should be in most RPG's.
From DnD, Last thing you realy want is a guy (the DM) telling you in detail how your doing the bar wench hard in the inn. Just fade it to black and let your own imagination run wild.
Bioware is catching alot of flack for this. They are also modding their boards and not letting people speak out against this. They are deleting posts by anyone who disagrees. Honestly, Bioware is only getting what they deserve.
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GREAT NEWS! I can make a female toon now.
Feels like BW doing a marketing crowd control before launch to me. We will see whether if they really do it in the future
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
The last time I played a game with romantic story arcs, it was Leisure Suit Larry. I think the whole thing is silly. I see the role-players' point though. Romance is usually a big part of any story, life, or saga, so why not throw it in the game for the rp'ers. If you go that far, then you've got to go all the way and provide options for most people. Even if the scenes are, as you say, maybe a kiss and fade to black, then why not have that option for gay people too.
I don't want to see any explicit sex scenes, whether they're hetero or homo, I don't want to see that. I doubt most people do, this isn't that kind of game.
No, depictions of same sex relationships have no bearing whatsoever on ERSB ratings.
Seriously? How are you to know if they are killing you for being gay as nobody will be able to see the romance arcs. Maybe I am misreading your intention but you seem to be trying really hard to play the victim card. Accept the fact that not everyone that shoots you and /rudes is not doing it because they hate gays they are just doing it because they have anger issues and really just don't like anybody,
Some people like romantic stories, while others don't. I liked it in Planescape: Torment for one game, but it often gets silly and pointless to me. And Larry wasn't exactly "romantic", there are better words for that....
I don't mind the whole thing and I wasn't disturbed that Bioware had the possibility for gay romances in Dragon age 1 & 2 (I just didn't click on anything with a heart when talking to guys just in real life, it isn't harder).
But it seems like the whole thing scares Lucas arts so it isn't much to do about it.
If some people like to hit on and romance npcs or other players it isn't an issue to me, I rather go down to the pub and meet a nice lady face to face myself but I don't rub that in your face and as long as you don't rub this in my face it isn't a problem to me.
I really don't care either way as long as the game isn't judging people for who they really are, and excluding gay romance might not be particularly enlightened it is really judging.
Are you sure they are quelling descent? If some of the comments that disagree with this decision are like some of the comments in this very thread, then maybe the moderators at swtor.com feel that those comments are innappropriate or in poor taste.
Bioware is a Canadian company after all, and we Canadian tend to be far more tolerant about this sort of thing. Comments decrying it as "immoral," that it is wrong for "children" to be exposed to such things (the game will be rated Teen, what "children" I wonder,) and that such things are "sickening" might be seen as hostile, needlessly cruel, and unwelcome to an inclusive community.
I think homophobia is hateful and barbaric, and I would hope that Bioware would delete such comments from their boards.
Yes because gays require bioware to allow relationships with npc's in order to green light them to hit on everybody and their uncle.
They are voracious that way. They'll swarm and then you'll see!
Oh, and a bit of advice, you might not be aware but gays make many of the products, create much of the entertainment that you injest on a day to day basis so best be careful out there!
I mean, they'll hit on you and you'll say "no thank you, I'm straight" and they'll say "oh that's cool" and then where will we be? Total anarchy!
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And so it begins, bioware catering to a vocal minority. blizzard also did this and pretty much ruined the game with all the balance tweaks they did. it wont stop here, I foresee a whole lot of changed coming post launch which will be called balance, but wont really be about balance, it will be about keeping the subs and keeping the very vocal minority happy. you can call it listening to the playerbase all you want, but this isnt true in this case because im sure there are more people unhappy with the decision than are happy about it, besides generally listening to the playerbase in situations such as this is the worst thing you can do, players dont know or care about what is best overall for the game, they care about what is best overall for themselves.
So now if all the people that doesnt support this cancels their preorders and refuses to buy the game, will they then change their stance once again. This is just a bad way to do business to me. They should of said three weeks ago if this was planned or not and told everyone that doesnt like it just to play the game or not depending on how strongly they feel about the issue. but this is backpedaling on biowares part and it appears they caved into the vocal minority and this was not a planned feature all along.
I could care less either way really, i think romance in a video game is stupid no matter what sex or species is doing it but caving into the minority just killed this game for me, because it will never end and now the people know if they bitch loud enough bioware will change something because they have no principles to stand on.
Or maybe they thought that this "minority" had a viable point?
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