Henrick IRC chat: New Epic Patch is so incredible it equals Mortal Online 2... (Miracle patch?)

Rohn · September 2010

Originally posted by HerculesSAS

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by EmperorBeld
Oh my God! A CEO of a game company is hyping their game in an unoffical internet chat room. I can't believe any CEO would do that. And this thread was made by somebody who does not like the game at all.

Indeed.

All petty arguments over semantics regarding miracle patches and such aside, the substantive part of the new build is really the important part.

What SV has officially stated the new build will do for the game is:

• Updated visuals overall in Mortal Online

• New trees and vegetation including SpeedTree 5.2 support. (We need to evaluate this some more before fully going over to ST, to see how it impacts the performance.) You will still get new tree models even without SpeedTree enabled.

• Better server stability and performance, we can now support a few more thousands of players simultaneously.

• A fully working prediction/interpolation system which will make player position updates and combat moves much more accurate

• A new lightning and shadow system which should look better than what we use today, and the performance should be much better

• Flash support. The old GUI will eventually be phased out and replaced with a new one. This will significantly increase the speed and response time, it will enable us to make it much more coherent and informative, not to mention it will look a lot better.

http://www.mortalonline.com/news/newsletter-september-2010-09-16

Additionally, they've said that it will improve the navmesh in the game, which will improve mob AI performance.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/53453-newsletter-update.html#post1021763

These are the things the new build is supposed to improve, and if SV is successful in implementing them, they should markedly improve the game (and allow for even better future improvements).

You really don't see the disconnect, do you? Henrik is sitting in IRC hyping the patch like it's going to turn lead into gold (or, introduce Alchemy, for those of you who actually know what it means). He's saying it will be so amazing it will turn MO into MO2.

And then they post this piddling information on their site as the "official" information. It's a joke.

The problem is that they have done this all along -- the unethical behavior continues. Make promises you have no intention of keeping, make claims that you have no ground to stand on, and deliver them in what you call an "unofficial" channel to get people excited, to make them keep their subscription another month. And then post some crappy patch log that shows something completely different than what you've been hyping in IRC. The unfortunate thing is a lot of people *want* to believe that MO is going to become MO2, and get to be awesome. But the patch notes say otherwise. So they go back to Henrik's words of hype, hoping that he will be telling the truth THIS TIME. But he isn't, and he won't. It's not in his DNA to be honest, as proven time and time again by broken promises, stealing of credit card information and automatic billing, not shipping boxes to some people STILL, and a lot more.

Folks, do a search on this character Henrik, and see how he lies. Don't take my word for it. And then you've been warned in keeping your subscriptions active or even contemplating buying the game at all.

What I see are people more interested in perception management than in what is actually happening to the game.

The details on the new build were released well before the IRC chat took place. SV has been pretty clear in the past in defining what the build is supposed to do. That is separate from the additional content that everyone is anticipating, and that SV is no doubt working on at the same time (and that was being discussed on IRC).

From what they've posted in the past, new content was not necessarily going to be incorporated into the same patch with the new build. The new build is the starting point, and sounds like it is the foundation upon which the new content Henrik was talking about on IRC will be built.

At the end of the day, if the new build does what SV says it will with the current game, and provides a better foundation upon which to build more and better content, then it will be an unqualified success in that it will be an improvement to the game.

Improving the game is the goal, not arguments over semantics on an internet forum.

Slapshot1188 · September 2010

Originally posted by Rohn

What I see are people more interested in perception management than in what is actually happening to the game.

The details on the new build were released well before the IRC chat took place. SV has been pretty clear in the past in defining what the build is supposed to do. That is separate from the additional content that everyone is anticipating, and that SV is no doubt working on at the same time (and that was being discussed on IRC).

From what they've posted in the past, new content was not necessarily going to be incorporated into the same patch with the new build. The new build is the starting point, and sounds like it is the foundation upon which the new content Henrik was talking about on IRC will be built.

At the end of the day, if the new build does what SV says it will with the current game, and provides a better foundation upon which to build more and better content, then it will be an unqualified success in that it will be an improvement to the game.

Improving the game is the goal, not arguments over semantics on an internet forum.

Perception management is when a CEO says something great about a product and then other people try to lower expectations. As you said.. the most current information we have is the info from Henrick and as far as I know there have been no corrections posted nor any clarifications issued.

As for your last part.. yes improvement is the goal.. but this goes hand in hand with the rate and degree of improvement. People are hoping for a game-changer. They are not expecting some invisible background changes which will let them improve the game somewhere down the line. An "unqualified success" would be something that gives these players what they are looking for... and does so quickly.

For the record though.. I have stated this previously.. I expect the largest portion of the changes to be visual and the prediction system. It is other folks who keep posting about all the changes coming in the Epic Patch such as Tavern Systems and Alchemy... etc. I think those folks have been mislead into thinking the "Epic Patch" is really going to make Mortal Online into Mortal Online 2.0

Time will tell my friend.. and we don't have long to wait.

davmac22 · September 2010

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Perception management is when a CEO says something great about a product and then other people try to lower expectations. As you said.. the most current information we have is the info from Henrick and as far as I know there have been no corrections posted nor any clarifications issued.

He does not want it to be rebutted I do not think

sakkdaddy · September 2010

Well either he's an idiot for hyping up something that can't be delivered, or he's really that confident and has seen firsthand how much this patch will improve the game. I hope it's realistic confidence, but none of us will know until the patch hits and the months following.

I do hope MO lives up to Henrik's hype. The groundwork is all here, but it needs a lot of cleanup (promised by the epic patch) and quite a bit more content (which the epic patch should enable). The problems now with server stability, and generally not having anything to do but pvp or farm mobs, will hopefully go away when AI, seige mechanics, more professions and magic schools, and more fun things that don't relate to pvp or farming are incorporated. Minigames in town, a bounty system, etc. will hopefully open up this game so that it can appeal to a lot more types of players and start feeling more like UO.

We can only hope and dream for now though. I do have fun playing every day still, even with the low population and the problems with the game.

Aethaeryn · September 2010

Originally posted by sakkdaddy
Well either he's an idiot for hyping up something that can't be delivered, or he's really that confident and has seen firsthand how much this patch will improve the game. I hope it's realistic confidence, but none of us will know until the patch hits and the months following.

I do hope MO lives up to Henrik's hype. The groundwork is all here, but it needs a lot of cleanup (promised by the epic patch) and quite a bit more content (which the epic patch should enable). The problems now with server stability, and generally not having anything to do but pvp or farm mobs, will hopefully go away when AI, seige mechanics, more professions and magic schools, and more fun things that don't relate to pvp or farming are incorporated. Minigames in town, a bounty system, etc. will hopefully open up this game so that it can appeal to a lot more types of players and start feeling more like UO.

We can only hope and dream for now though. I do have fun playing every day still, even with the low population and the problems with the game.

I agree with what you are seeing and hope it goes well. The problem I see is what has happened before. I hate to harp on the same thing but they need to do more than their internal testing. Take sticky weapons for example. They tested something internally last time and it totally messed up combat. I know they don't have a lot of players and can't afford to run a test server maybe but so far there has always been something new pop up. The biggest problem for most people will be the amount of time it takes them to fix it. I think of "big things" that were introduced like the book system - man what a mess that was to start. A lot of people could not see the books on vendors and how long did that take to fix. . weeks and a fresh download.

As long as they can afford to plug along and keep it open and get some new elements in they will be fine until they "start" advertising.

For people that know about the game and don't mind this "stage" it is fine. . for someone that reads the hype and watches the trailers ("city life" anyone? how many people claimed that would be in game at release?) They are going to complain about paying to beta test. . and rightly so.

It might be a new business model. . or one that indie devs use etc. . Maybe it is the only choice and I am fine with it. But the hype machine is going to leave a bad taste in people's mouths. Tindrem on release? Everyone loves the game for the first few weeks or month and then they get bored. I obviously feel like it is worth something to sub but right now it isn't to play.

Right now one of two things are happening. . many have left the game already and are waiting. . . or many have stayed subbed and aren't playing. Everyone is waiting for this patch. After it comes some might stay even if it doesn't deliver.. but for how long.

It better deliver. . not because they over-hyped it. . but because the game needs it badly.

thorppes · September 2010

Originally posted by Aethaeryn

Originally posted by sakkdaddy

All the things you mentioned there were features we were told would definately NOT make it on release. We had a small list of features they promised for release, they delievered them all along with a weather system/day and night system ontop of those.

sakkdaddy · September 2010

I think for the most part they've kept their word in the past, just Henrik has had a tendency to severely exaggerate shit. I still remember when he said fishing was so awesome it could be sold as a completely separate XBOX game for 50 euros.

I just hope the Epic patch is decent enough to keep enough subscribers and keep the game evolving. As long as it's improving constantly then MO will be awesome soon enough.

ltank · September 2010

Originally posted by sakkdaddy
I think for the most part they've kept their word in the past, just Henrik has had a tendency to severely exaggerate shit. I still remember when he said fishing was so awesome it could be sold as a completely separate XBOX game for 50 euros.

I just hope the Epic patch is decent enough to keep enough subscribers and keep the game evolving. As long as it's improving constantly then MO will be awesome soon enough.

Actually I think the problem isn't that they exaggerate, it's that people take what they say out of context. For example when he said that about fishing, he was talking about full fishing. You only have the basic fishing now and the second part is supposed to be coming this next patch. That is what he was talking about. Context people.

jimmyman99 · September 2010

Doncha guys getit? He said "hehe" - meaning he is joking about it.

davmac22 · September 2010

Originally posted by jimmyman99
Doncha guys getit? He said "hehe" - meaning he is joking about it.

Where did he say that?

jimmyman99 · October 2010

Originally posted by davmac22

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Doncha guys getit? He said "hehe" - meaning he is joking about it.

Where did he say that?

[23:19] <@HenrikNystrom>; if you wont notice a diff, then I dont know hehe..

[23:28] <@HenrikNystrom>; Mojoz, hehe I stand by that sentence

Slapshot1188 · October 2010

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by davmac22

Originally posted by jimmyman99
Doncha guys getit? He said "hehe" - meaning he is joking about it.

Where did he say that?

[23:19] <@HenrikNystrom>; if you wont notice a diff, then I dont know hehe..

[23:28] <@HenrikNystrom>; Mojoz, hehe I stand by that sentence

In no way, shape or form do I take that to mean he is joking about it. It's used in the context of saying "Yeah I know it's crazy but I stand by that sentence"

Also.. if you read through the chatlog you will see that the subject is mentioned again... like what immediately follows:

[23:30] <HobboBobbo> will we have to buy mortal online 2, or the subscription from mortal online moves on to it?

[23:30] <HobboBobbo> :P

[23:30] <@HenrikNystrom>; free in sub hobbo

[23:32] <HobboBobbo> Henrik I'm neutral here ok, but we as customers expect some stuff that you promised, it's not our fault you cant keep up with it.

[23:33] <@HenrikNystrom>; HobboBobbo sure, and I think we have been pretty clear with the information on our end

[23:33] <@HenrikNystrom>; how what and when, that is.

Finally.. their own forums are full of folks now referring to the MO2 patch. If it was a joke by Henrick, it was a poor one, and his subscribers won't be very happy.

deathshroud · October 2011

Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Yup.. Henrick said it himself and then confirmed it. This new patch is going to be so incredible that he repeatedly refers to it as Mortal Online 2...

[23:17] <@HenrikNystrom>; epic patch is getting closer, we just want it to work well, and of course to live up to most expectation

[23:17] <@HenrikNystrom>; As, there is indeed major differences

[23:19] <@HenrikNystrom>; if you wont notice a diff, then I dont know hehe..

[23:19] <@HenrikNystrom>; We are talking Mortal Online 2

[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; like I said before, it gives tools yes, and also instant changes and fixed,

[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; but also the possibility to fix tweak other areas better

[23:23] instant?

[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; yes, the most critical issues will get an update along with that update.

[23:23] <@HenrikNystrom>; hence thats why we focus evertghing on this patch

[23:27] <[BRB]Mojoz> henrik don't make hype you won't be able to live upto, claiming its going to be "Mortal Online 2" is a massive statement to make o.O

[23:28] <@HenrikNystrom>; Mojoz, hehe I stand by that sentence

Full IRC chat found here:

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/1025747-post14.html

So.. contrary to the folks saying that the "Epic patch" is just a patch from Epic Games... it sure seems like the CEO is hyping it as some game transforming miracle patch. Later on he even talks about how they may need to open up parts of a new continent when all the folks come back to play Mortal Online 2....

Interesting glimpse into the mind of the CEO... make your own conclusions.

looks like i was wrong then but at least he had the decency of coming out and explaining why he said it before the patch wnet live. damn posted in wrong thread so many windows open now its back from past.

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