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Seeing NCSoft worries me
WellzyC
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in Guild Wars 2
Anyone who played Aion can back me up on this. Since NCsoft has their grubby hands in this one.. is it going to be another Spam fest *selling gold* nightmare that Aion was.
Are the servers going to be open to any country? if so we can expect massive bot/farming/gold spamming dooshes that will ruin the economy and possibly the game?
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there are barely any bots in aion right now (i personally have come across one) so assuming they keep up this new trend of getting rid of them hopefully not.
It being NCSoft has noting to do with it. Gold farmers are in every single game. NCsoft has great games under its belt. Since I never really had any issues, I never needed customer service, so I can't speak on that. But complaining about them because of the bots and gold farmer that are in every game is silly. Also, the way GW1 deals with people that violate the rules is epic. I'm sure it will be the same or better in GW2
It probably depends on how valuable gold is...
It's why I never picked it up after open beta. Was an OCEAN OF SPAM.
NCsoft has the rights to the Original Guildwars anyway.... that aside. They tend to take care of their Cash cows....but as soon as they start to get sick they will putem out of their misery.
On that note, it hink GW2 will do fine.
Both NCSoft and ArenaNet have said that the publisher is very hands-off. This could just be a marketing spin... but with GW1's success, I think we should be fine. GW1 often brought just as much money in as NCSoft's other sub-based games.
NCSoft relatively lets ArenaNet handle Guild Wars. I'm not an NCSoft fan either but ArenaNet is top notch so I'm willing to over look the fact that NCSoft is publishing this game.
The difference is that NCSoft Korea actually developed Aion. ArenaNet is making sure they satisfy a very large range of audiences, primarily in North America, Europe, and Korea. NCSoft designed Aion almost exclusively for a Korean audience, with a western localization that is shabby at best.
My GW account isn't even associated with an NCSoft account, which should indicate how independent ANet actually is from NCSoft.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss
yes, this.
I personally don't have a problem with NCsoft either, but I am inclined to think that the reason GW1 has turned out the way it did is because of Anet.
Back in the old'n days, there use to be gold farmers and gold sellers everywhere, and I recall seeing an endless wave of monks, hundreds at a time, leaving outposts to go farm gold. Several things changed, such as AI or viability of certain farming builds (people can still farm just fine, just not how they use to) or drop rate reductions while soloing (except for rare items, which means soloing is still profitable). Anet also made sure that botting and gold selling was stopped in more ways than just banning characters (which is something else they did).
Ever since the mass bans of nearly 4,000 accounts at once, some of which had unique (as in only one in the game) prize items, I haven't noticed all that much in the way of gold selling in GW1. BTW dhuum says hello AND goodbye to anyone who gets banned or temp banned, which is awesome)
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
Modders only have to know how to manipulate the interface to bot a game. Or build a hack.
It's up to the company running the server and the community playing on the server to battle bots. Oh and not building a game with tons of grind.
I hear the stories of NCSoft. But they are just the publisher. Anet I trust. And from all appearances, grind is largely curtailed in GW2.
Will GW2 be hacked in some manner? Sure, it's the nature of some who code to always try.
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NCSoft is NOT just the publisher. ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft... ArenaNet is nothing but a division within the NCSoft corporation. They set the budget, the schedule, and have to sign off on everything that is done.
I still haven't had a negative experience with NCSoft. I have had a positive experience with Arenanet.
Therefore, I do not project the perceptions of actions by one parent company onto the division. I take the product made by the producer as a relative marker for "trust" in future products made by that self same producer. I don't care for who underwrites it unless that corporation has a reputation for immoral actions. Acting like a beancounter isn't immoral, just annoying and tangentially related to counter-productve.
I know, it's grown up stuff. But if working out your anxieties in a public fora makes you feel better then by all means, carry forth.
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Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!
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I will admit they completley launched the ball on Aion at launch with regards to the whole gold seller thing. It was extremely bad.
however, I would also say that anyone who played Aion and stuck with it saw that it eventually was taken care of.
Also, the first guild wars didn't really have gold seller problems that were out of control so I don't imagine we will have the same issues.
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GW2's having a cash shop could help curtail gold selling, depending on what they put in it. I played Aion at launch and haven't bee back, does it have any kind of cash shop?
Arenanet is an mostly autonomous sub division of NCSoft. They have creative control over Guild Wars 2 and NCSoft is pretty hands off on everything else. After the Tabula Rasa fiasco, they tightened up control on all their Western divisions, but Arenanet alone maintained it's creative autonomy.
NCSoft understands that the autonomy is crucial to the way Arenanet functions. If they ever changed the nature of the relationship, they would risk losing what makes Arenanet special and would just possess Arenanet in name only.
As far as gold selling, all games have it. I have only checked in on Aion during free returning player events, but I've been impressed how much they have cracked down on gold seller spam in the game.
On the subject of gold farming, at least bots can't ruin your play experience via mob tapping and kill stealing. Higher level characters get scaled down for lower level content and everyone who meets a minimum threshold of damage to a particular mob gets full xp and loot for the kill, the same amount as they would get from a solo kill.
This could be the first MMO were you won't mind having a bot playing in the same location!
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
One thousand times this! That is the most epic way to ban people ever! I'm so hoping they bring this back in Guild Wars 2!
ArenaNet is NOT just a division within the NCsoft corporation. On paper, that is what it appears to be, but the decisions that NCsoft have made have been to give ArenaNet a great degree of freedom and autonomy in developing GW1 and GW2. ArenaNet makes its own schedule, and it is able to do so because NCsoft allows them to. As to budget, you are correct, NCsoft is obviously going to monitor and control how much money ArenaNet gets, but ArenaNetis the one choosing what they want to do and how they do it. NCsoft is just the publisher, a publisher who knows that they will be delivering an exceedingly well developed game. ArenaNet has said this MANY times.
Another important thing is that the actual PEOPLE at ArenaNet obviously have a great deal of pride in the ArenaNet name and the way it is run. To them, I would bet it is more than a simple division of a company named NCsoft. This is one of the reasons I believe that ArenaNet's identity is separate from NCsoft's identity.
Oh, and I believe that ArenaNet has influenced NCsoft a great deal over the years, which is why I am eager to see how Wild Star Online turns out.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Fiontar
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
I say that gw2 gameplay will not allow for Botting since you are required to dodge attacks and stuff like that and since the world is dynamicly changing even if theres bots they will have hard time botting safely.
GW1 was fine and Aion was mostly bot free pretty soon after launch. I dont think it has anything to do with the fact that its an Ncsoft game (Look at WoW/Rift/Hellgate, etc). If people will buy it and the GM's dont keep a firm grasp then the gold selling will happen no matter the publisher. And hopefully the support and gm staff is handled by the developer not the publisher.
@ Fiontar and Grimm..
That's exactly what EA says about Bioware, I believe that as much as what you're saying. Which is no belief in it at all.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Does it matter if the game comes out to be good?
Not at all, it doesn't matter pre-release to me either. However to others it does, which is why statements like NCsofts and EA's are made. They know how certain individuals feel about them, they'll say anything to bring those people in.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
What exactly is your belief based upon? the way I see it, nothing about any of the games (from my bystanders perspective, given I don't play bioware games) has screamed "EA". I think people are just whining about quality.
I will say this. The most common thing publishers do to screw up games is forcing a release date, something that isn't a problem here for GW2. Is it a problem for SWTOR?
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
I'm just basing it on ownership and past actions toward not so successful studios. That goes for both NC and EA.
Is it a problem for TOR? Due to current circumstances I can't comment.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
let me clarify what I was asking when I asked what your belief was based on. I want to know SPECIFICALLY what it is you think EA has done to bioware games. I would ask for the same about NCsoft and Anet, but lets face it, with only GW1 to use as an example, and Anet having been owned by NCsoft since before GW1 released, there really isn't any comparisons to be made to base your belief off of if you aren't going to take their word for it.
My question about SWTOR was mainly intended to gauge the general sense of whether people think SWTOR is being rushed out by EA. I really wasn't looking for an answer, so much as I intended to tie EA, publisher/developer relationships, and Anet together.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.