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World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria Reactions
MikeB
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In his latest column, MMORPG.com Managing Editor Bill Murphy wonders what's up with all the hate towards Mists of Pandaria, the recently announced fourth expansion to World of Warcraft.
I see the reactions in our forums to the recent Blizzard announcement of Mists of Pandaria, the 4th expansion to World of Warcraft. And after taking the lot of them in, ruminating on it all, and spending a lot of time sick from BlizzCon with fever-induced hallucinations of Jack Black and Sho-Nuff running around in panda outfit… I have to say, why all the hate?
Maybe I’m just getting old, but I see every single change coming to game with Pandaria as a potentially awesome thing of awesomeness. The Pet System, striking a resemblance as it might have to a certain Nintendo property, is bound to give me hours on new stuff to do in the game because I like turn-based battle systems, I like pets, and I’ll love growing them, customizing them, and fighting them like an Orc version of Michael Vick. The new Scenarios, though seemingly ripped from LotRO’s Skirmishes will likely again give me more of what I need from WoW these days: quick, accessible content that I don’t need to have too long set aside to complete.
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I was under the impression that they are now on the fast track to releasing Expansions, blue posts even said the time between the cata & MoP expansions will be alot lower compared to the time it took between wrath & cata . I'd say 1st half of 2012. Definately not as long as untill after blizzcon of next year.
They can say whatever they want. The fact of the matter is this: the Panda has been bringing in TONS of complains, e.g., sassy, kiddy-like, april-fools lore, etc.
It was a bad move, IMO. They could've done so much more - something unique.
Where are these complaints? They aren't on Blizzards forums. Maybe the complaints are on sites like this, where everyone hates WoW anyway...but from Blizzard's perspective, their paying customers have been asking for pandas for years. They brought it up as a joke and the people who give them money loved it and then begged Blizzard for it.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
But if Metzen’s words are to be believed, this expansion marks a turning point for WoW back into the whole WARcraft part of World of Warcraft. But just exactly how they plan on accomplishing this is up in the air.
theres been some hints
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2528-Mists-of-Pandaria-Forum-Mists-of-Pandaria-Dungeon-Preview-Blue-Posts
Theramore Destroyed in 5.0?
So, at BlizzCon we provided a few details about a new expansion and how it's going to have an ever-growing focus on the fight between the Horde and the Alliance in the wake of dispelling many very powerful threats to all of Azeroth. Then we find out a vague detail that some sort of unrelenting attack by the Horde on Theramore is to come. The Horde, to remind you, is currently a faction with an overzealous ruler and significant turmoil among their faction leaders; while the Alliance has almost never been quite so unified and far removed from the days of imprisoning orcs.
The first pawn on the chess board of what is to be the story for Mists of Pandaria is being moved, and you're angry at whose turn is first? I only offer that maybe there's a little more to the Horde and Alliance story lines in Mists than an Alliance town being leveled... like the entire expansion story you don't know about yet.
If you wanna make an omelette... (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
EQ2 fan sites
Your kidding right? I was just on Blizz forums and the complaints are rampant...of course I did notice that some of the threads I had read yesterday are not there any longer. Blizz has asked us to trust them on this x-pac...they need to show me more than what they have for me to do that (yes I still play WoW).
yes there are
goto Blizzards mists forums
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/2592425/
EQ2 fan sites
Just in case you haven't looked hard enough. There were more when it was first announced, but yeah they are complaining on the Blizzard forums.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424467686
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424463257
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3430934243
Kung fu Panda is only the beginning, the next two races would be Ninja Turtle and Power Rangers.... stupid Blizzard.
Well considering how much I disliked the current dumbed down skill system, it seems obvious to me I will dislike the new one even more. The original skill system gave you a lot of choices and you could really make a unique avatar with them, the current system really restricts that and drawing that forward with another reduction in skill choices, it seems to follow that the new one will be worse.
Pet system, too kid like. Of course that is not part of the game that interests me, never really collected them except for my rogue so that dungeon groups could see where I was.
The kung fu panda though just seems very cheesey to me. You can bet I will not be playing such an avatar.
Blizzard is making Wow so that it is too easy. There is no challenge like the game used to be. It is all about pleasing the "I want it now" crowd and I really do not want anything to do with people who enjoy no challenge.
Needless to say, it will take Blizzard far too long to get this expansion out, meanwhile SWTOR will take the reins of the top MMO.
Oh and stop misusing the word "hate", dislike is a far better word. Bad enough posters misuse it, let alone a staffer.
I trust they realize they messed up big time with cata. I know some people liked the new difficulty in the dungeons. I haven't personally had a problem with performing in them. I play with some real life, and online made friends however that have. Some of these people are 60+ and just can't do the dungeons because of a skill gap. They don't need to just L2P, they need something a little closer to wrath. Lets look at some things here. I trust that Blizzard is rushing things along, cause they want those wrath sub numbers back again, its why the only major content patch released was something that was suppose to be in the original xpac, and another raid was completely scrapped despite a whole zone and storyline being made for it, (Vashir) We will probaly see the new xpac in about april-may, kids will be getting out of school for the summer, and they are hoping they will be bored with swtor.
My Thoughts on Content Locust
Well, considering that the Pandaren were created BEFORE Kung-Fu panda, and the brewmaster was available as a hero class in WC3 about a decade ago, I'd say they are doing ok.
Sites like this and MMOChampion, which are also filled with people who don't play the game, are where I've seen the complaints. This site in particular is full of WoW haters, to the point of ridiculousness. On the official forums where you have to have an active sub to post, I haven't seen much in the way of complaints, and trust me, the masses have no issues pissing and moaning on the official forums.
Pandarens have been a popular topic for many years, and have been asked for, more specifically the Brewmaster has been on the want list for many of the subscribers.
Don't even think for a minute that the complaints you see on these forums, and other sites like this even remotely represent a majority. There is a silent minority who are quietly enjoying the game.
I still thing blizz is joking....and soon they will provide the real info on a real exp.
I hope Jack Black voices a panda, it would be hilarious. Seriously though, a lot of the hate for the expansion is for the wrong reasons... its kind of sad.
MMOChampion filled with people who don't play the game? When did that happen?
In Bioware we trust!
The Panda's are what they are. I am completely indifferent to them. I hated the talent changes in Cataclysm, to me, it took what little customization there was out of the game, and I can say that I probably won't like the talent changes for Mists of Pandaria. Granted, I probably won't be around to see them, anyway.
This expansion is going to MoP up the floor with the competition!
Well, I don't understand all the hate, I guess some folks take their WOW playing as serious business and the idea of Panda warriors offends them for one reason or another. (I wonder how many of those same haters have issues with guys playing female avatars as well, interesting question)
Me, if I was going to play WOW I'd have no issue playing as a panda avatar. (and yes, I play female avatars sometimes)
The skills set revamp seems to be signficant, but I'm pretty sure it will all work out to be a decent system in the end regardless.
But I just have to say... you know there's a sticky thread in the forums for these sorts of discussions already right? Watch out or the mods will shut you down and warn you for creating duplicate topics.
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Talent system is going to suck even more than it does now, they're trying to oversimplify to avoid people having non-workable builds, but the reality is some of those builds were fun to play... and people miss them... and they could solve the issue entirely by making more slots you can switch between and still giving people options... but they keep narrowing the options and gutting the system further and further and people are less and less happy with it. I've yet to hear a single person say they like the current system better than the old one... and I doubt I'll hear anyone say they like the upcoming system much more than this one. The more they remove peoples options and force people into a cookie cutter shape the less they appreciate it.
The new class and race? nifty. nothing revolutionary, but nifty. I like the new mechanic.
Pokemon? no thanks... they really stole far to much and aren't bothering to put in enough depth to make it worth a shit.
Shrug.
Edit: I had a heavy hybrid build in wow I used for soloing and it was a ball... now I can't even make something VAGUELY like it gameplay wise. In the new system *wince*. Bleh.
Edit2: No matter what system there is, if it offers options and customization there will be "non-workable" builds and such... and THATS OK. Wow seems to have forgotten that.
Shadus
Now that would be funny.
Just imagine all of the excuses we'd be hearing from the PDF (Panda Defence Force)
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Well, when you put it like that...pretty good write up.
I only recently quit playing wow after 5 years and when I first read about MoP I was certain it was a joke. Pandas aren't really that much more rediculus than cow-people or space-goats with russian accents, but there is something about them that screams "don't take me seriously." I get that they were part of WCIII lore (even though they started as a joke) but to those screaming how much earlier the pandarians were around before Kung-Fu Panda can you please admit that releasing this Xpac after the two Jack Black films opens it up to critisism.
As to the talent system, Blizz always says they are going to fix the cookie cutter build, they say they have a solution, and guess what? They never do. So, I'll wait until I hear some player feedback before I give Blizz credit for fixing one of the biggest problems in their game.
I just feel that this Xpac is far less serious and less interesting than the previous three. We had Illidan, Arthas, and Deathwing; three pretty solid bad guys with some interesting lore and a feeling of epic struggle. So, a focus on the Horde/Ally PvP seems pretty tame, particularly if Blizz is going to continue to balance PvP around 3v3 arena matches. Anyone tried to kill a resto shaman or frost mage recently? They have a lot of work to do on the games PvP if it's going to be the focus of a new Xpac.
Why go with a Panda? It seems to be for really young children? Hmm, Oh well EQ Next and hopefully Copernicus will be out. Really, what could they of been thinking?
http://s36.photobucket.com/user/mhoward48/media/OnwYv97.jpg.html
"but I see every single change coming to game with Pandaria as a potentially awesome thing of awesomeness."
Exactly!
I've said before; my snap reaction was NOOOOOO
my "thought it over" reaction is 110% YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Anyone hating on the expansion, making all these claims about how MoP is gonna "kill WoW" or turn it into a "kiddie game" needs to grow up and at least try to do some research before they start slinging insults. Oh and until they make a game better than WoW, they need to stop thinking they know more about what will appeal to customers than Blizzard; the same Blizzard that's given us the Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo franchises.
Blizzard has stated quite clearly that they've wanted to get playable Pandaren into WoW for a long time now, one of the first major facts they revealed was that Pandaren were going to be the Alliance race for Burning Crusade but they changed it to Draenei for lore purposes. And as for Blizzard trying to appeal more to Chinese markets with the pet-battle system and Asian-themed continent, I laugh at the idea that not one single American player is excited to get to explore Pandaria and be able to customize, name, train, and battle their pets.
While I agree the PvE scenarioes seem eerily like LoTRO's skirmishes, I'm actually quite happy with that comparison since skirmishes were one of the elements of LoTRO I really enjoyed. And finally anyone who thinks this new talent system is going to be "dumbed down" or will rob players of their originality/choices, that's about as cynical and paranoid as you can get. If anything this new system will only *bolster* our choices since now we won't be forced to play certain classes/specs for certain activites and we'll finally be able to pick which powers/abilities we do/don't want based on *our* choice, not the system's.
I'm well aware that haters will continue to hate but I for one am very excited for MoP for pretty much every reason the article detailed and especially for playable Monks.
I was disappointed at first.
After contemplating on it for the last few days I've decided to let go of my preconceptions and will be giving the new expansion a shot.
Looking forward to trying out a Pandaren Monk.