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My opinion, you can call it a wake up call
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Excuse me sir, I did not attack anyone. "That guy" is an expression. You know like "Don't be that guy."
My post is simply meant to tell him that he is wasting his time with this argument and getting drug into a flame war.
It's interesting how you snipped both of my comments when they weren't super long quotes. Maybe what they said didn't really support your accusation of "Baiting" and "attacks."
As far as talking about the game, thats what I have been doing, this little argument you guys had was so far off the rails I felt like trying to stop it and get the thread back on track here.
So about the game. I stll love it.
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While I respect your opinion OP it does make me giggle like a little school girl. If you have been following the game as closely as you say you have been how could you NOT know what you where getting with TOR? Every single point you made you could have figured out had the shiney words "STAR WARS THE OLD REPUBLIC" not been attached to it.
If it was called "Generic WoW clone #527 in space with complete voice overs and a better storyline" it would have described the info Bioware was giving out perfectly. I'm not into arguing if thats a good or bad thing. I think its good thing for thoes that really enjoy that style of game.
However I do want to point out something you are COMPLETELY wrong on. To say Warhammer, Rift, and AoC did nothing new is a false statement. Did they fail at the implimentation of what they tried to do that was new? Absolutly. Does that mean they didnt do ANYTHING new like you claim? Absolutly not.
lol ok 'Soups'. Whatever.
I ask to get back to games and you insist on carrying this on in the same vein.
At this point you qualify as another one for the ignore heap.
*rolls eyes*
Someone loves to have the last word.
ok, whatever you say. Obviously thats the truth.
Games now please?
Does seem to have an established pattern, yus.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Do you have something to say about games? I haven't seen it yet...might have missed it...but how about this:
What do you think about PvP in TOR?
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The OP offered a series of opinions. It was not a review. It was (marginally) not a wake up call to the MMO industry. Simple opinions.
By interspersing an opinion post with emotional pleas to 'see the light' and 'change these errant ways' it loses my 'serious' attention.
To make a review, state what you experienced with little or no emotion. If the observations allow ME to make my own opinions, then there is validity.
If you are writing an opinionated post (which is perfectly fine) don't cajole people. Just state what you like/dislike as far as your own self is concerned. Far more interesting/informative to me (and most) readers out there.
Oh and don't bother with the 'don't flame me' comments. There will be rabid good and rabid bad folks who will always rant and rave and asking them to not do so will do nothing. Just make a decent post and the folks who are in the middle (the majority) will pay more attention.
Now that people can post actual beta impressions and have had a chance to play I will never listen to someone who hasn't touched the game. I have watched tons of videos too and was pretty on the fence by the outcome of this product. I am glad I played the beta bc watching the game does it 0 justice. I have said it before and I will say it again something about it is just plain fun. PVP was a blast and combat was fun. The two things I was pretty worried about. It felt nothing like wow besides the fact that I didn't have to try to learn some stupid atempt at a new combat system or completely new controls. It feels a little familiar but thats about all.
All reviews are opinions and he cannot disallow you to make your own opinion.
p.s. you reallly think the OP should pay attention when it loses your 'serious' attention? Hey! What Gives? It has mine
I find it sad when people spout out all these amazingly bold remarks, saying with absolute certainty that their word rings true in the ears of most, when in reality, all their knowledge of the topic at hand comes not from personal experience, but from the ideas of an ill-intentioned, misinformed minority.
I'm really sick of the whole "There's a massive fanbase for X", or "Y would be a WoW-killer if it just had a chance".
There is no massive conspiracy waiting in the MMO playerbase.
There are no "sleeper-agent fans" waiting to convert once the X or Y is unleashed on the world.
Says the person with the huge SW / TOR banner in their sig...
Curious, though... What would his agenda be, exactly? To have people play TERA, GW2 and Archeage? What "agenda" do you feel he has by suggesting that if people want something different, those are 3 games they may want to check out?
It's been said that TOR isn't going to break any new ground, aside from fully voice-acted characters (which has been done before in MMORPGs - such as EQ2, to name one - just not to as great a degree). He's acknowledging that assessment and offering possible alternatives for those looking for something off that well-beaten path. What's wrong with that exactly?
Because he presents it in a negative manner?
Is it because he's critical of TOR and not worshipping at its altar?
Are you against people being aware of alternatives to "the standard MMO format" we've seen emerge since WoW launched?
If he'd presented it in a positive manner, with praise instead of criticism, would you still be saying he "has an agenda"?
I'm guessing you wouldn't.
Your bias is showing.
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Excellent Post!
I just loved how people fall back on Tera and Archeage as being "the great hope" for the MMO genre when:
1. 99% of them haven't played either (because they are only in Korea)
2. The vast majority of Eastern MMOs completely and totally flop in the West because they are even MORE formula based linear leveling/raiding/PvP grind fests.
Guild Wars 2 does have a lot of potential to be much different and different in a good way, I'm very excited for that game too, but it's not going to be the savior of the MMO genre because the VAST majority of MMO gamers in the West actually LIKE the WoW model and are going to be turned off by how different GW2 is.
Not like it really MATTERS because GW2 is sub-free so I, like many others, will be playing it along side a subscription based MMO like TOR, which is by far and without any reservation the best AAA MMO of it's type to be created since WoW back in 2004.
Without A Doubt.
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I think he means that the poster is biased against SWTOR, and clearly shows it by listing 3 games he likes. Pretty clear "agenda" or "bias" if you ask me.
I respond to you the same as the OP. Listing 3 fantasy games as something different or new is incorrect. It is the same stuff over and over, with a few twists thrown in, to give the illusion of something new.
Really? I thought quite the opposite.
Most of it is rambling and vague. Some of it is incoherent. He seems to be quite hung up on wow (mentioned it 14 times) didn't really offer any insight into how the game actually works or what is in it. Attacked SWTOR fans.
I don't really see any indication that he even played TOR for very long to test out the game systems. In fact I don't really see him talking about anything in the game specifically very much at all.
What he does talk about has a lot of embedded misinformation, such as PvE flashpoints and raids (which I know for a fact he didn't touch the raids at all) being exactly like wow, when in fact they are much much different. The cinematics and multiplayer conversations alone make them different, not to mention the fact that the holy trinity dynamics in the flashpoints actually work differently then most trinity games.
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You should more deeply analyze the OP's post before valiantly defending it like that. It is clear that he never had the intention of providing views that were not distorted by his preconceived notions. Also, judging by his OP, he shows no signs of actually playing the game for himself. In reality, his "wake up call" comes off more as an incoherent, emotionally fueled rant than anything else.
No, it is no different - it was/is just as stupid as hyping Archeage or Tera or even GW2 or TSW without actually playing them.
But my point still stands - after extensive(ish) play time with TOR I can confirm that from my perspective the OP is very, very wrong about TOR.
The vast majority of beta feedback/nda-free commentary would tend to agree with me.
And my comment about how Eastern made games always flop in the West is 100% true.
I just don't understand how people can be that niave to think "ok THIS game, this next Eastern MMO is going to take off in the West and change things.."
Remember Aion? lawlz
What are the horrific consequences of not listening to you? If I go and play SW:ToR for three or four months, what are the terrible list of things that will happen? Especially considering that TERA, GW2 and ArcheAge are months or possibly years away?
I'm not knocking your opinion...but it seems a little dramatic.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Two wrongs do not make a right. People that believe any soon to be released game (or any game for that matter) "shall save the genre" or anything of the sort are completely delusional and lying to not only themselves, but to the rabid "activists" that adopt the hype/hate mindset in an instant.
I want a game to play that is fun and entertains me. Guess what? Found it. It's TOR. Don't care about wow, or the genre, I just want to enjoy my awesome game and have fun!
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Could you provide further explanation to this delightful insight whith which you have provided us?
Some people who haven't played yet won't like it.
Some will like it.
Some will love it.
Some will hate it.
Some will come here and say "I was right all along!"
Such is life. It's to be expected.
Enough people are going to like/love this game to make it a huge, huge success.
That is a logical prediction, based upon all available data.