Stop denying that it's a subpar MMO at best because it is.
Folks, this type of logical deduction cannot be denied. Since you say it sucks, it truly must suck, right? Never mind the millions of people who feel differently, it's YOU that has the true answer to the question.
Sigh.
If you're going to quote someone, make sure you quote the entire post and not take the tid bits that are relevant to you (So that you can try to prove a point.), thanks. It's a sub par MMO just like AION, Warhammer, AOC (Although AOC has gotten a lot of improvements.), and every MMO launch in the past 5 years. Funny thing is that I played all those MMOs and somewhat enjoyed them, it still doesn't change the fact that they were mediocre/sub par. Just look at my xfire hours spent in some of those MMOs. I am unbiased and will speak the truth, even if I happen to love a game.
I had my first taste of SWTOR in this past weekend's beta play.
It might have gone a lot better if it wasn't for the fact that I forced myself to stop playing Skyrim so that I could "try out" SWTOR...
I'm afraid the transition from being immersed in a totally freeform game that I was thoroughly enjoying, to be being thrust into a standard linear themepark with cartoony graphics was just more than my sensibilities could tolerate
I managed a whole 2 hours in SWTOR, then fled back to the tundra of Skyrim and happily started stalking elks with my bow ! Ah, bliss...
Yes, I know it's a totally unfair comparison, but it made me realise just how bland most "mainstream" mmo's are these days. It will probably be many years yet before an MMO will engage me as thoroughly as the world of Skyrim does. I will wait, ever hopefull
Skyrim is a great game. havent been able to stop playing since I bought at release...having said that, it is happening more and more that I am seeing gamers choose a single payer RPG over an "MMORPG." The fact MMOs have become, essentially single player RPGs with a $15 fee and some co-op/multiplayer aspects is causing players to choose the better (and cheaper) of the options. with all the instances, and train track/scripted story lines along with the sub fee, MMOs are now in competition with single player games...and where I am concerned, losing. I am not currently subbed to any MMO and see myself immersed in Skyrim for months to come.
Now i want to play every class to 50, try all the different crafting professions and PVP everywhere.
The multiplayer dialogue is so fun.
Thinking about training Bioanalysis and Biochem, alchemist are always the most profitable profession in themeparks.
Not sure if i want another gathering profession to sell the mats or Diplomacy for my 3rd job.
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time." otacu
Ppl who claim that swtor is bad or rubbish should just quit playing mmo. Like a FPS gamer who complains battlefield or COD is garbage. Or an rpg gamer who hates mass effect, dragon age, witcher..etc.
I doubt you will ever find the perfect mmo you want. Because you are looking for something that doesnt exist in the mmo genre.
swtor is going to be the next most succesful mmorpg since wow whether you like it or not.
I'm shocked at all the hate honestly... This weekend was my second beta test of the game and honestly I loved it. I cared about where my story was going and had trouble logging out... I didnt want to play to deep into the game since it was just beta but usually couldnt bring myself to log out because I wanted to know what was coming next.
I loved how the muliplayer dialogue went and I nearly always felt that my choices made a difference and I could play my char as good or evil as I wanted.
I felt the cooldowns were a bit meh but the graphics and visual effects were amazing. I thought combat looked pretty impresssive and not really clunky from what so many have said.
Traveling around on foot across some of the longer distances really didnt bother me because I really enjoyed looking around at all the scenary. I played SWG from day one and I guess I'm just a huge Star Wars nerd because I could spend days in that game just wondering the planets looking for iconic memories and I feel like some of the actions and times I've already had in SW:TOR will be stuck in my head from years to come.
Funny how certain games stick in your head... I remember crazy things from UO, EQ, SWG as my most fond MMO gaming memories then I think of games like WoW, DCUO and CO where 99% of the time I have no idea why we were in dungeons or what our characters ment in the big picture and struggle to remember any positive fun memories even though I played them for years and years.
Wow rambled way off topic.... No it didnt change my mind... I had really high expectations and I felt like it surpassed the majority of them. I didnt play any in space and I'm sure that will be a let down after SWG but hey there are plenty of other things to love about the game... For those who love it I'll see you in game in a few weeks and for those who hate it... I'll probably log into WoW some day and make a kung-fu panda monk with you to try it out for a laugh lol
You cant go in expecting. Meaning thinking about all the other mmos and what you liked and then hope Swtor will have the same or like. Anyway its Star Wars. But really to trash it or not buy it basied on 1-15 levels is really silly. But Star Wars is not for everyone. In the end its just a GAME no more no less. Come or go its just a game get over it. If you like it play it.
But DONT make your choice because of some review for most only say how they FEEL and are not being "not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion" <------ this is the kind of review you want.
Ppl who claim that swtor is bad or rubbish should just quit playing mmo. Like a FPS gamer who complains battlefield or COD is garbage. Or an rpg gamer who hates mass effect, dragon age, witcher..etc.
I doubt you will ever find the perfect mmo you want. Because you are looking for something that doesnt exist in the mmo genre.
swtor is going to be the next most succesful mmorpg since wow whether you like it or not.
Why should they stop playing because some anonymous nub on the internet tells them they should, lmao, who the hell do you think you are.
The complaints levelled at swtor are largely justified; for a very long time interested parties were told this game was about to redefine mmos and how they were played. What we get is kotor II with barrens chat; quests on rails, most of which require no grouping or social interaction at all and it is all warped up in a graphics engine that deliberately avoids stressing 5 year old graphics systems.
There is absolutely NOTHING new or original here, instead what they have delivered is a typical Bioware rpg with a chat room, and a couple of multiplayer scenarios. Even by theme park standards, this game leads you down the most restrictive, linear path I have yet seen in an "mmo", and I thought AOC's zones were bad. As if that wasn’t bad enough they deliberately made it easy to level, with regular testers claiming it is easy to cap in a week, or two at most.
As for your comment about being the next big thing, I will guarantee, two, three months after launch once the gloss of being labelled jedi or sith has worn off, the majority of players are going to leave in droves, I will even bet cash money to back that up.
People are complaining because they were expecting a Star Wars mmo, instead they are getting a Star Wars rpg; while this title may have made a grand addition to the Bioware rpg stable with a great single player storyline, calling it an mmo and selling it as such is an insult.
My Colour Is Vomit green, I puke on the tards with stupid colour sigs. My symbol is ,,!, O ,!,, My enemies are any prat with a colour sig, a meaningless personality test, or a pointless list of games and classes.
I was surprised how fast the cutscenes became an annoyance to me. Been playing recent Bioware games and loving Kotor, i thought i would not be a problem for me in SWTOR.
But then, logging in into an mmorpg, this cutscene-overkill just doesn't feel right to me. I also constantly stops the gameflow. SWTOR feels like an interactive visual audiobook, interrupted but short "kill x" sessions.
I come home, all hyped up for a gaming evening and want to play some -instead in SWTOR you reather read some. If i'm in the for this sort of entertainment, i'd watch a movie or read a book. I i want to play, i want to play.
Second:
I dare to claim that there is not nearly 150 million dollar in this game. It lacks quality left and right. Cheap low-res textures, bad animations, lack of ambiente fluff, lifeless world, no day/night cycle and so forth. I bet endgame looks about as poor.
I assume that from the 150mio total production cost, a good half went right to George Lucas for the license or such.
Stop denying that it's a subpar MMO at best because it is.
Folks, this type of logical deduction cannot be denied. Since you say it sucks, it truly must suck, right? Never mind the millions of people who feel differently, it's YOU that has the true answer to the question.
Sigh.
If you're going to quote someone, make sure you quote the entire post and not take the tid bits that are relevant to you (So that you can try to prove a point.), thanks. It's a sub par MMO just like AION, Warhammer, AOC (Although AOC has gotten a lot of improvements.), and every MMO launch in the past 5 years. Funny thing is that I played all those MMOs and somewhat enjoyed them, it still doesn't change that fact that they were mediocre/sub par. Just look at my xfire hours spent in some of those MMOs. I am unbiased and will speak the truth, even if I happen to love a game.
Ironically, quoting your entire post doesn't change the veracity of Biggus's point. In fact, it serves to reinforce it.
Ironically, quoting your entire post doesn't change the veracity of Biggus's point. In fact, it serves to reinforce it.
Except that Biggus' point is inherently flawed (see the McDonald's food metaphore). People will still consume crap and enjoy it, even if they know it is indeed crap.
- To the OP. After playing this weekend I'm on the fence. I haven't played the game long (1 demo months ago, and the beta weekend), but my interest is already waning. I had some fun over the weekend for sure, but the dialogue option novelty just doesn't cut it for me.
Furthermore, I think Bioware's dialogue choices have been getting less interesting with each new game they release. My choices don't really feel like they effect much, if anything. Instead they feel more like point farming (bash button 1 for light points, bash button 3 for dark). After playing nearly half the classes to mid teens - early 20s, I only really encountered maybe 4-5 dialogues which may me stop and go 'hmm... actually I don't want to do that, to hell with the point, I'm going to do this instead'.
Also, as most multiplayer PvE has been getting less engaging over the years, PvP is becoming more of a factor for me in online games. The pvp in this game has a good start, but it needs some love. On the one hand, I did have fun over the weekend. On the other, I already see how this game could lose it's charm after only a month or so worth of play. I would not be surprised if it had a similar track record to Rift or WAR, having a really strong launch (and if queues were any indication, it will have a strong launch), but after a few months, players will start going to other games.
Where the hell did that 120+ million dollars in dev cost go!?
Actually it's over 300 million and most of it went directly to mister George Lucas.
Amidoinitrite?
Dude, unless you work there (which I doubt you do, based upon the fact that you're in the Netherlands) quit spouting out the same old tired crap that has already been proven to be wrong. EA has already stated (on an investor call I think?) that the dev costs were less than 1/2 of that crap that some disgruntled ex-EA employee lied about.
And I seriously doubt that George Lucas saw a penny of the development costs, duh... he'll see royalties sure, but not development costs.
I think what Dark Pony was doing there just went straight over your head, I'll let you work it out but I will give you a clue...
Amidoinitrite?
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Originally posted by Kost Yeah, I changed my mind. Instead of buying a copy for both my wife and I, I'm going to buy three for myself, and multibox a three man team while she heals on the fourth. Win.
How "sociable" of you
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I really enjoyed the flashpoints, they had the best combat and the best storylines that Ive seen so far, but The spaces inbetween the storylines with the douzen mini quests and the long trecks to finish those mini quests; its dull as hell. They made the experience out to be something new and refreshing what with the storyline element, but at the same time they fall into the trap of so many MMO's where your always spending large chunks of time grinding through side quests while doing the main quest, just to aproach the right level to get into the content you actually care about.
The story lines are good, but it doesnt work well with the cookie cutter nature of the rest of the game.
I thought the story added reason to the quests, both side, bonus, and main; however, I'm the type who doesn't skip any cutscenes and actually tries to understand the mission / task - not that you, or anyone who doesn't are bad for choosing to play the way you do.
The grind was definitely made easy for me by the nature of the main quest, which all others are in some way linked. They did well with this in 10+, and I'm not finding myself drawn back at level 25 - and I've been to about four planets already.
I never skipped a cutscene or a diologue, What Im on about is the time it takes inbetween these peices of diologue to get the story rolling again. I spent more time running to GET to the objectives then I did trying to complete them. The longer I stay out of combat, story or buying and training, the less inclined I feel to continue, since I'll be doin the same thing to get back to where I was I feel like Im forcing myself through the long waiting periods to get to the good bits; and how is that any different to WoW's system?
THIS!!!!!
When wil lgame companys understand that time spent doing the menial is wasted time. I want quests that last more then the time it takes to travel to get to it. Nothing kills immersion like being told to: Run halfway across the Map to take care of the Man in Black then when you get there you find he is a Imperial big shot on vacation so you spend 5 mins runnign to him, 30 secs finsihing quest and 5 mins running back. That crap is ludacris.
....ummm, you do know you can teleport, ride speeder, and eventually get your own speeder to free fly right? You don't have to walk...
It's not about the travel, it's about how simple and uninteresting the missions are. When you can "do a dungeon" in 5 minutes, it feels like the story is the focal point of the game, not the actual gameplay.
Did not change my mind at all. Played beta weekend for the second time but this time with many friends and guild mates. We ALL to a PERSON had fun and intend to buy when it releases. Early access here we come.
Edit- I wanted to add asking WHY in God's name would you take the comments here to make a judgement. I love MMOs and games in general. I have been posting here you years but this is the most negative, spiteful group of MMO posters (in general, some of the people are great) I have every seen. This is the only site I post on and ask myself often why I continue to torture myself in doing so.
I like RIFT
I like TOR
I plan to play GW2 as well.
Why? Becuase I like games and don't have time for all the bashing that goes on here.
Where the hell did that 120+ million dollars in dev cost go!?
Actually it's over 300 million and most of it went directly to mister George Lucas.
Amidoinitrite?
Dude, unless you work there (which I doubt you do, based upon the fact that you're in the Netherlands) quit spouting out the same old tired crap that has already been proven to be wrong. EA has already stated (on an investor call I think?) that the dev costs were less than 1/2 of that crap that some disgruntled ex-EA employee lied about.
And I seriously doubt that George Lucas saw a penny of the development costs, duh... he'll see royalties sure, but not development costs.
I think what Dark Pony was doing there just went straight over your head, I'll let you work it out but I will give you a clue...
Amidoinitrite?
Pretty close... hold your pinkey a little higher.... PERFECT!
Originally posted by Cetra Ppl who claim that swtor is bad or rubbish should just quit playing mmo. Like a FPS gamer who complains battlefield or COD is garbage. Or an rpg gamer who hates mass effect, dragon age, witcher..etc. I doubt you will ever find the perfect mmo you want. Because you are looking for something that doesnt exist in the mmo genre. swtor is going to be the next most succesful mmorpg since wow whether you like it or not.
One can always hope, right? I happen to be one of those where current MMOs are just not my cup of tea. Been there, done that.
I truly think SW:TOR will be successful. I just don't think *I* will be playing it. Not quite sure yet...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I had been ignoring most of the opinions on here, as many of them were based on relatively old videos and not actual gameplay. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it though, played the damn thing all day Saturday. Had to stop myself on Sunday to avoid spoiling it anymore for myself. So, while I was undecided before, they definitely got my preorder. Just need to decide on a class now
I did like the game, but on some parts it felt like it wasn't complete or that it wasn't worth the 150$ the collectors ediition cost ( which is 2x of the digital deluxe price, just for a few features and some crap no one really wants)
I have no idea how many people here have changed their minds one way or another, but someone posted a poll on the beta forums yesterday asking if, after playing in beta, they were going to buy the game. As of the time of this post over 3500 people had voted, and nearly 94% voted "Yes", they would be buying it.
While there are a lot of very vocal hater in these forums, who are desperately trying to convince everyone else how bad it is, the vast majority of people who have played the game, like the game and will be buying it. No, it is nothing revolutionary in MMORPG gaming, but it is fun, it is different, and it is Star Wars. And, for a lot of people, that is enough.
I have no idea how many people here have changed their minds one way or another, but someone posted a poll on the beta forums yesterday asking if, after playing in beta, they were going to buy the game. As of the time of this post over 3500 people had voted, and nearly 94% voted "Yes", they would be buying it.
While there are a lot of very vocal hater in these forums, who are desperately trying to convince everyone else how bad it is, the vast majority of people who have played the game, like the game and will be buying it. No, it is nothing revolutionary in MMORPG gaming, but it is fun, it is different, and it is Star Wars. And, for a lot of people, that is enough.
It's not that were haters or we trying to convince others not to play. If you want to put yourself through that torture that's your business and I hope you enjoy it. But for me and a lot of others the game is lacking.
1. Doesn't have that drive to make you want to login like all other mmos the past 15 years. Could you really see yourself playing this game for years to come??? If so , more power to you.
2. The character doesn't feel like an mmo char you want to build on. Felt more like a single player RPG with chat functions.
3. The wsad movement was there but whats up with the horrible camera turning. You would think they would have spent more time fixing this.
4. The running and fighting animations are terrible. Heck, have you played lineage 2? That game is 10+ years old and has more fluid combat and movement than SWOTR.
5. Finally I could see if the game was buy once and play free forever like GW2 , but at the current state I don't think it's worth to pay 15 dollars a month for.
If you love the game and can put yourself through that torture than have fun and Good luck with that!!!
I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....
I have no idea how many people here have changed their minds one way or another, but someone posted a poll on the beta forums yesterday asking if, after playing in beta, they were going to buy the game. As of the time of this post over 3500 people had voted, and nearly 94% voted "Yes", they would be buying it.
While there are a lot of very vocal hater in these forums, who are desperately trying to convince everyone else how bad it is, the vast majority of people who have played the game, like the game and will be buying it. No, it is nothing revolutionary in MMORPG gaming, but it is fun, it is different, and it is Star Wars. And, for a lot of people, that is enough.
It's not that were haters or we trying to convince others not to play. If you want to put yourself through that torture that's your business and I hope you enjoy it. But for me and a lot of others the game is lacking.
1. Doesn't have that drive to make you want to login like all other mmos the past 15 years. Could you really see yourself playing this game for years to come??? If so , more power to you.
Huh?? I'm surprised I havn't gotten speeding tickets, at the rate I drive home from work to login. If anything, this game is more addictive than an average MMORPG, for me.
2. The character doesn't feel like an mmo char you want to build on. Felt more like a single player RPG with chat functions.
What exactly does an MMORPG character feel like??? This confuses me....
3. The wsad movement was there but whats up with the horrible camera turning. You would think they would have spent more time fixing this.
Try tuening down the sensitivity??? I certainly have no issies with it. And that's with a high DPI Razer mouse.
4. The running and fighting animations are terrible. Heck, have you played lineage 2? That game is 10+ years old and has more fluid combat and movement than SWOTR.
I heartily disagree with this. But it's likely a matter of taste.
5. Finally I could see if the game was buy once and play free forever like GW2 , but at the current state I don't think it's worth to pay 15 dollars a month for.
Once again, I disagree. I'm a sandbox fan by nature...themepark games rarely hold my attention for more than three weeks. SWTOR has held my attention for months, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
I hate F2P games, personally....been subbing to mmos for years, have no problem paying fifty cents per day for entertainment.
If you love the game and can put yourself through that torture than have fun and Good luck with that!!!
"torture"?? Sorry that you feel that way. Good luck in whatever game you play....and I promise, I won't be on it's forums telling you that it's "torturous" to play.
Perfect example of why you should never use this site as a consideration for playing an mmo. You're much better off trying it for yourself.
^^This! Preorder a game (not prepay) and get into the open beta (if you don't like it, cancel the preorder), or give it a trial when that comes out, but try the game and make up your own mind.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
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And those heroic mobs are quite soloable, you + your companion = 2 :P
If you're going to quote someone, make sure you quote the entire post and not take the tid bits that are relevant to you (So that you can try to prove a point.), thanks. It's a sub par MMO just like AION, Warhammer, AOC (Although AOC has gotten a lot of improvements.), and every MMO launch in the past 5 years. Funny thing is that I played all those MMOs and somewhat enjoyed them, it still doesn't change the fact that they were mediocre/sub par. Just look at my xfire hours spent in some of those MMOs. I am unbiased and will speak the truth, even if I happen to love a game.
Skyrim is a great game. havent been able to stop playing since I bought at release...having said that, it is happening more and more that I am seeing gamers choose a single payer RPG over an "MMORPG." The fact MMOs have become, essentially single player RPGs with a $15 fee and some co-op/multiplayer aspects is causing players to choose the better (and cheaper) of the options. with all the instances, and train track/scripted story lines along with the sub fee, MMOs are now in competition with single player games...and where I am concerned, losing. I am not currently subbed to any MMO and see myself immersed in Skyrim for months to come.
Now i want to play every class to 50, try all the different crafting professions and PVP everywhere.
The multiplayer dialogue is so fun.
Thinking about training Bioanalysis and Biochem, alchemist are always the most profitable profession in themeparks.
Not sure if i want another gathering profession to sell the mats or Diplomacy for my 3rd job."Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."
otacu
Ppl who claim that swtor is bad or rubbish should just quit playing mmo. Like a FPS gamer who complains battlefield or COD is garbage. Or an rpg gamer who hates mass effect, dragon age, witcher..etc.
I doubt you will ever find the perfect mmo you want. Because you are looking for something that doesnt exist in the mmo genre.
swtor is going to be the next most succesful mmorpg since wow whether you like it or not.
I'm shocked at all the hate honestly... This weekend was my second beta test of the game and honestly I loved it. I cared about where my story was going and had trouble logging out... I didnt want to play to deep into the game since it was just beta but usually couldnt bring myself to log out because I wanted to know what was coming next.
I loved how the muliplayer dialogue went and I nearly always felt that my choices made a difference and I could play my char as good or evil as I wanted.
I felt the cooldowns were a bit meh but the graphics and visual effects were amazing. I thought combat looked pretty impresssive and not really clunky from what so many have said.
Traveling around on foot across some of the longer distances really didnt bother me because I really enjoyed looking around at all the scenary. I played SWG from day one and I guess I'm just a huge Star Wars nerd because I could spend days in that game just wondering the planets looking for iconic memories and I feel like some of the actions and times I've already had in SW:TOR will be stuck in my head from years to come.
Funny how certain games stick in your head... I remember crazy things from UO, EQ, SWG as my most fond MMO gaming memories then I think of games like WoW, DCUO and CO where 99% of the time I have no idea why we were in dungeons or what our characters ment in the big picture and struggle to remember any positive fun memories even though I played them for years and years.
Wow rambled way off topic.... No it didnt change my mind... I had really high expectations and I felt like it surpassed the majority of them. I didnt play any in space and I'm sure that will be a let down after SWG but hey there are plenty of other things to love about the game... For those who love it I'll see you in game in a few weeks and for those who hate it... I'll probably log into WoW some day and make a kung-fu panda monk with you to try it out for a laugh lol
Yes, playing the beta helped cement my decision not to buy the game.
Playing the Beta weekend just makes me want to play it more. The game exceeded my expectations.
You cant go in expecting. Meaning thinking about all the other mmos and what you liked and then hope Swtor will have the same or like. Anyway its Star Wars. But really to trash it or not buy it basied on 1-15 levels is really silly. But Star Wars is not for everyone. In the end its just a GAME no more no less. Come or go its just a game get over it. If you like it play it.
But DONT make your choice because of some review for most only say how they FEEL and are not being "not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion" <------ this is the kind of review you want.
Why should they stop playing because some anonymous nub on the internet tells them they should, lmao, who the hell do you think you are.
The complaints levelled at swtor are largely justified; for a very long time interested parties were told this game was about to redefine mmos and how they were played. What we get is kotor II with barrens chat; quests on rails, most of which require no grouping or social interaction at all and it is all warped up in a graphics engine that deliberately avoids stressing 5 year old graphics systems.
There is absolutely NOTHING new or original here, instead what they have delivered is a typical Bioware rpg with a chat room, and a couple of multiplayer scenarios. Even by theme park standards, this game leads you down the most restrictive, linear path I have yet seen in an "mmo", and I thought AOC's zones were bad. As if that wasn’t bad enough they deliberately made it easy to level, with regular testers claiming it is easy to cap in a week, or two at most.
As for your comment about being the next big thing, I will guarantee, two, three months after launch once the gloss of being labelled jedi or sith has worn off, the majority of players are going to leave in droves, I will even bet cash money to back that up.
People are complaining because they were expecting a Star Wars mmo, instead they are getting a Star Wars rpg; while this title may have made a grand addition to the Bioware rpg stable with a great single player storyline, calling it an mmo and selling it as such is an insult.
My Colour Is Vomit green, I puke on the tards with stupid colour sigs. My symbol is ,,!, O ,!,, My enemies are any prat with a colour sig, a meaningless personality test, or a pointless list of games and classes.
Regards Hexcaliber
Fist:
I was surprised how fast the cutscenes became an annoyance to me. Been playing recent Bioware games and loving Kotor, i thought i would not be a problem for me in SWTOR.
But then, logging in into an mmorpg, this cutscene-overkill just doesn't feel right to me. I also constantly stops the gameflow. SWTOR feels like an interactive visual audiobook, interrupted but short "kill x" sessions.
I come home, all hyped up for a gaming evening and want to play some -instead in SWTOR you reather read some. If i'm in the for this sort of entertainment, i'd watch a movie or read a book. I i want to play, i want to play.
Second:
I dare to claim that there is not nearly 150 million dollar in this game. It lacks quality left and right. Cheap low-res textures, bad animations, lack of ambiente fluff, lifeless world, no day/night cycle and so forth. I bet endgame looks about as poor.
I assume that from the 150mio total production cost, a good half went right to George Lucas for the license or such.
Ironically, quoting your entire post doesn't change the veracity of Biggus's point. In fact, it serves to reinforce it.
Except that Biggus' point is inherently flawed (see the McDonald's food metaphore). People will still consume crap and enjoy it, even if they know it is indeed crap.
- To the OP. After playing this weekend I'm on the fence. I haven't played the game long (1 demo months ago, and the beta weekend), but my interest is already waning. I had some fun over the weekend for sure, but the dialogue option novelty just doesn't cut it for me.
Furthermore, I think Bioware's dialogue choices have been getting less interesting with each new game they release. My choices don't really feel like they effect much, if anything. Instead they feel more like point farming (bash button 1 for light points, bash button 3 for dark). After playing nearly half the classes to mid teens - early 20s, I only really encountered maybe 4-5 dialogues which may me stop and go 'hmm... actually I don't want to do that, to hell with the point, I'm going to do this instead'.
Also, as most multiplayer PvE has been getting less engaging over the years, PvP is becoming more of a factor for me in online games. The pvp in this game has a good start, but it needs some love. On the one hand, I did have fun over the weekend. On the other, I already see how this game could lose it's charm after only a month or so worth of play. I would not be surprised if it had a similar track record to Rift or WAR, having a really strong launch (and if queues were any indication, it will have a strong launch), but after a few months, players will start going to other games.
I think what Dark Pony was doing there just went straight over your head, I'll let you work it out but I will give you a clue...
Amidoinitrite?
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- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
It's not about the travel, it's about how simple and uninteresting the missions are. When you can "do a dungeon" in 5 minutes, it feels like the story is the focal point of the game, not the actual gameplay.
Did not change my mind at all. Played beta weekend for the second time but this time with many friends and guild mates. We ALL to a PERSON had fun and intend to buy when it releases. Early access here we come.
Edit- I wanted to add asking WHY in God's name would you take the comments here to make a judgement. I love MMOs and games in general. I have been posting here you years but this is the most negative, spiteful group of MMO posters (in general, some of the people are great) I have every seen. This is the only site I post on and ask myself often why I continue to torture myself in doing so.
I like RIFT
I like TOR
I plan to play GW2 as well.
Why? Becuase I like games and don't have time for all the bashing that goes on here.
Pretty close... hold your pinkey a little higher.... PERFECT!
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I truly think SW:TOR will be successful. I just don't think *I* will be playing it. Not quite sure yet...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
I had been ignoring most of the opinions on here, as many of them were based on relatively old videos and not actual gameplay. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it though, played the damn thing all day Saturday. Had to stop myself on Sunday to avoid spoiling it anymore for myself. So, while I was undecided before, they definitely got my preorder. Just need to decide on a class now
I did like the game, but on some parts it felt like it wasn't complete or that it wasn't worth the 150$ the collectors ediition cost ( which is 2x of the digital deluxe price, just for a few features and some crap no one really wants)
I have no idea how many people here have changed their minds one way or another, but someone posted a poll on the beta forums yesterday asking if, after playing in beta, they were going to buy the game. As of the time of this post over 3500 people had voted, and nearly 94% voted "Yes", they would be buying it.
While there are a lot of very vocal hater in these forums, who are desperately trying to convince everyone else how bad it is, the vast majority of people who have played the game, like the game and will be buying it. No, it is nothing revolutionary in MMORPG gaming, but it is fun, it is different, and it is Star Wars. And, for a lot of people, that is enough.
It's not that were haters or we trying to convince others not to play. If you want to put yourself through that torture that's your business and I hope you enjoy it. But for me and a lot of others the game is lacking.
1. Doesn't have that drive to make you want to login like all other mmos the past 15 years. Could you really see yourself playing this game for years to come??? If so , more power to you.
2. The character doesn't feel like an mmo char you want to build on. Felt more like a single player RPG with chat functions.
3. The wsad movement was there but whats up with the horrible camera turning. You would think they would have spent more time fixing this.
4. The running and fighting animations are terrible. Heck, have you played lineage 2? That game is 10+ years old and has more fluid combat and movement than SWOTR.
5. Finally I could see if the game was buy once and play free forever like GW2 , but at the current state I don't think it's worth to pay 15 dollars a month for.
If you love the game and can put yourself through that torture than have fun and Good luck with that!!!
I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....
"torture"?? Sorry that you feel that way. Good luck in whatever game you play....and I promise, I won't be on it's forums telling you that it's "torturous" to play.
^^This! Preorder a game (not prepay) and get into the open beta (if you don't like it, cancel the preorder), or give it a trial when that comes out, but try the game and make up your own mind.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan