Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases. Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.
1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise. The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie. Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II. Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.
2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE. In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.
Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console. Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..
There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be
Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.
1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?
I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.
2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.
I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.
3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.
I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.
Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it
I like this idea, Steam to me is an awesome thing, OMG but I need to be on the interwebs to access my game !!!, oh wait I am connected to high speed interenet 24/7 .
Ya I know osme poeple arnt, but lets face it its almost 2012 , for most access to the net is not a big deal.
There are some disadvantages to steam I guess, but for me the advantages far outweigh them, as for myself I have never had any problems with steam, games always work fine.
Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases. Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.
1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise. The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie. Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II. Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.
2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE. In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.
Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console. Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..
There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be
Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.
1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?
I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.
2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.
I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.
3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.
I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.
Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it
No strawman in anything i wrote. Only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying whom I wrote what to. I would think it would be obvious however since people know what they wrote in their own posts. My first paragraph was for you. The rest was in response to others who have been posting in this topic. Instead of adressing everybody individually I gathered all in one post.
Somebody complained about advertisements - adressed
People often complain even in this thread about having to be online - adressed
Somebody posted about how people should stick to consoles if they don't feel like figuring out how to install things on their own - adressed
Where's the strawman or better yet and valid points from your part? Unless you count a whole lot of if's and but's valid points. I'll give you a thumbs up if you can at least explain why steam DRM is bad for you based on reality. Not any what if's scenarios. I like to deal with the reality we live in not wild speculations
Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases. Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.
1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise. The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie. Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II. Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.
2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE. In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.
Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console. Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..
There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be
Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.
1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?
I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.
2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.
I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.
3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.
I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.
Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it
No strawman in anything i wrote. Only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying whom I wrote what to. I would think it would be obvious however since people know what they wrote in their own posts. My first paragraph was for you. The rest was in response to others who have been posting in this topic. Instead of adressing everybody individually I gathered all in one post.
Somebody complained about advertisements - adressed
People often complain even in this thread about having to be online - adressed
Somebody posted about how people should stick to consoles if they don't feel like figuring out how to install things on their own - adressed
Where's the strawman or better yet and valid points from your part? Unless you count a whole lot of if's and but's valid points. I'll give you a thumbs up if you can at least explain why steam DRM is bad for you based on reality. Not any what if's scenarios. I like to deal with the reality we live in not wild speculations
It's strawman becuase you used my post to start a rant about why people don't like steam. If you wanted to do that you could have just created your own post rather then referencing mine as it clearly looks like your trying to counter my points.
Also you don't have any valid points if we're defining it by your own defintion. You critiise me for, 'wild speculation', and then wildly speculate why some other people don't like you've beloved Steam, (e.g. 'poor internet connection, 'don't like deals on an online portal', and your most ludicrous one yet, 'Stop living in the 80's man!').
And your doing it again, did I say anything about DRM in my post? No, I'm concerned for the community who've been with Bethasda for ages and what potentially it could mean for them.
It may mean nothing in, 'reality', to those people but it could change the whole relationship between modders and publishers. If buts and maybes are what we are dealing with here because the outcome is unknown. I'm not a fan of Steam but if you are, thats your choice. The reality here is that you have a view point and you seem to want to attack anyone who doesn't share it with whatever comes to mind, regardless of what they actually wrote.
Steam is a commerical portal for game purchases. Sticking mods by fans of the game on there is bad on two counts.
1. This is pretty much one step away from chargeable DLC, Bioware have been doing this for a while with the Dragon Age franchise. The first Dragon Age came with a toolkit, the second didn't probably because EA realised how much they made from DLC purchases of the first game and wanted to control the whole pie. Now there's barely any mods for Dragon Age II. Bethasda have released expansion packs before but this looks like a back handed way to control access to content through a deal with Steam.
2. It'll probably destory community sites like Nexus and Fileplanet, who've not only been tremendously helpful to Bethasda in development but have contributed a hell of a lot of quality mods for FREE. In this day an age you never want to alienate a fanbase whose that dedicated and this will.
Oh and if you want conveniance go play on a console. Messing around with config files and settings is par of the course with mods and PC games..
There is a whole lot of 'ifs, probably, close to and almosts' in that post to label this a bad idea. There certainly isn't any facts other than wild speculations and fears. lets stick to what is... not what may or could be
Reasonable enough outlook, however if we wait until the what ifs become unpleasent fact, then we are already screwed.
1. Having deals on games pop up from a piece of software you launch your games on, isn't a bad idea. Gamers buy games, We like deals.. what's the problem?
I don't like being forced to watch advertisements. That is my choice and none of your business to decide whether I should take issue with them or not.
2. The whole 'I need to be online with steam' has been debunked time and time again. If you don't have an internet connection to register your game. Move back to civilization. If you can't afford an internet connection.. how are you affording games? Being that strapped, you should probably prioritize elsewhere than a gaming hobby.
I don't recall anyone here saying you had to be online with steam to play the game. That isn't their issue. The fact you have to register your information with a third party digital retailer, and install their otherwise completely uneeded software for a game bought at a retail store is a what is sticking in some peoples craws. As to the rest of yout arrogant little diatribe about internet connections, again none of your business to tell someone else how and where they should spend their money, and that statement just makes you look a bit of a dickhead.
3. Plug and play isn't bad words. Having to bypass, modificate or otherwise spend time online researching to get something to work is archaic and quite frankly belong to the 80's namely the DOS era. the fact you like fiddling with those things doesn't make you special. Well maybe it does but not in the good sense. You certainly don't speak for the PC community.
I agree, easier functionality isn't a dirty word. And on not speaking for the whole PC or gaming community, neither do you sir, yet you seem to have no issue trying to do so earlier in your own post.
Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it
No strawman in anything i wrote. Only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying whom I wrote what to. I would think it would be obvious however since people know what they wrote in their own posts. My first paragraph was for you. The rest was in response to others who have been posting in this topic. Instead of adressing everybody individually I gathered all in one post.
Somebody complained about advertisements - adressed
People often complain even in this thread about having to be online - adressed
Somebody posted about how people should stick to consoles if they don't feel like figuring out how to install things on their own - adressed
Where's the strawman or better yet and valid points from your part? Unless you count a whole lot of if's and but's valid points. I'll give you a thumbs up if you can at least explain why steam DRM is bad for you based on reality. Not any what if's scenarios. I like to deal with the reality we live in not wild speculations
It's strawman becuase you used my post to start a rant about why people don't like steam. If you wanted to do that you could have just created your own post rather then referencing mine as it clearly looks like your trying to counter my points.
Also you don't have any valid points if we're defining it by your own defintion. You critiise me for, 'wild speculation', and then wildly speculate why some other people don't like you've beloved Steam, (e.g. 'poor internet connection, 'don't like deals on an online portal', and your most ludicrous one yet, 'Stop living in the 80's man!').
And your doing it again, did I say anything about DRM in my post? No, I'm concerned for the community who've been with Bethasda for ages and what potentially it could mean for them.
It may mean nothing in, 'reality', to those people but it could change the whole relationship between modders and publishers. If buts and maybes are what we are dealing with here because the outcome is unknown. I'm not a fan of Steam but if you are, thats your choice. The reality here is that you have a view point and you seem to want to attack anyone who doesn't share it with whatever comes to mind, regardless of what they actually wrote.
As I said the only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying and making a seperate post. Point taken. I should specifically have adressed you only. Doesn't really make it a strawman, just poorly formatted. It certainly doesn't take away from the fact what you wrote 'concerns' not facts, not anything that has happend. just a scenario. That doesn't really say anything against my beloved steam , but it seems you finally got that.
In truth I don't care if you dislike steam. I think it's valid, a person doesn't like steam because they don't want to give them all that power etc. That however is a farcry from saying "steam is bad". Ones personal issues with trust or ones fears is not a logical reason to deem Steam as something bad. It just isn't for you because of your own personal reason.
I'm okay with it, since I don't even play Skyrim on Steam in the first place.
I suppose it would be an easier way for the 'mod impaired' to install things without mucking about in the data files. ...but the implied censorship is what bothers me. I read something about mods needing to be 'approved'.
Something tells me that my dickgirl khajit won't be slaughtering children, having sex with dragons, and casting the 'rape' spell anytime soon if I went that route.
I'm okay with it, since I don't even play Skyrim on Steam in the first place.
I suppose it would be an easier way for the 'mod impaired' to install things without mucking about in the data files. ...but the implied censorship is what bothers me. I read something about mods needing to be 'approved'.
Something tells me that my dickgirl khajit won't be slaughtering children, having sex with dragons, and casting the 'rape' spell anytime soon if I went that route.
How do you not use Steam and still play Skyrim. Even if you buy the box set you still have to install and connect through steam? Are you doing somethin naughty?
I had read before the last patch you could copy the entire game over and play it wihout using Steam, But then your version would be locked unless Bethesda is issuing standalone patches.
I'm okay with it, since I don't even play Skyrim on Steam in the first place.
I suppose it would be an easier way for the 'mod impaired' to install things without mucking about in the data files. ...but the implied censorship is what bothers me. I read something about mods needing to be 'approved'.
Something tells me that my dickgirl khajit won't be slaughtering children, having sex with dragons, and casting the 'rape' spell anytime soon if I went that route.
Then you get to be "underground". Isn't that way cooler?
I'm okay with it, since I don't even play Skyrim on Steam in the first place.
I suppose it would be an easier way for the 'mod impaired' to install things without mucking about in the data files. ...but the implied censorship is what bothers me. I read something about mods needing to be 'approved'.
Something tells me that my dickgirl khajit won't be slaughtering children, having sex with dragons, and casting the 'rape' spell anytime soon if I went that route.
Then you get to be "underground". Isn't that way cooler?
Harriet Tubman was 'underground', and she was pretty cool.. so I guess so?
Convenience is not necessarily control. You can still use mods the other way correct? I am just glad I can use mods at all with steam or I would not buy through them. They have added another option for people.
It is likely going to bring more people into trying out mods. I think this is good. . although the same thing happened with accessability to MMOs right?
I've worked on a few mods before. One of my major ones was for Dragon Age. I have to say, after I became involved and it went along, the amount of PMs was staggering. Everything from praisal, requests, problems, and any number of other issues. I tried to keep up, but that inbox just kept getting fuller.
I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who releases a mod through Steamworks and it becomes popular. Aren't the names attached? With forums, it's a headache, but I'd figure it would be so much worse through Steam with constant friend request popups and more.
It's also going to be interesting if Valve charges a fee for getting a player mod through Steam. If they do, there's going to be a sh!tstorm.
If this happens, then I imagine the modders will be able to set a price and make some cash for their work. That would probably do more to strengthen the modding community in general, though it would definitely hurt the Nexus site a great deal since people wouldn't want to put their mods there for free (I guess they could adapt to that, potentially).
So far no mention of money as best I can tell, so it probably isn't going to happen. We'll have to wait and see.
I remember back in the Morrowind days that an issue about people selling their mods where brought up. It was said that this wasn't legally possible, and is violation of some user agreement or something.
Sorry that's all I can share, and I don't know anything more about it, especially the legality thing.
It's been an old fact of the modding scene that modders cannot charge others to use their works. Something along the lines of them making money off somebody else's game. Most especially with a franchise such as TES. Bethesda will no way in hell allow modders to make money off their games.
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I've worked on a few mods before. One of my major ones was for Dragon Age. I have to say, after I became involved and it went along, the amount of PMs was staggering. Everything from praisal, requests, problems, and any number of other issues. I tried to keep up, but that inbox just kept getting fuller.
I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who releases a mod through Steamworks and it becomes popular. Aren't the names attached? With forums, it's a headache, but I'd figure it would be so much worse through Steam with constant friend request popups and more.
Every thing i can disable i disabled in steam no problems that anybody can PM me or follow me or disturb me:)
So if you don;t like to be disturbed that much just release mod but disable everything so you won't get a full inbox:)
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So Bethesda have made a deal with Steam to make it posible to to find and install all your mods on Steam. At first seems handy but is this not a way to control even more how to regualte mods and whats aloud or not? And dont they kill off sites like nexus or fileplanet or whole mods community? Its seems to me a move to get everything through steam so they can control even more what can or cannot? I have mixed feelings about this. What do you guys think? http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/12/01/steam-to-host-skyrim-mods-via-steam-workshop/
Might wanna read the article you quoted. Old-school modding will still work.
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I don't fuck wit steam or gpotato or really, any of those third party apps that have no real use. Why am I buying games then watching pirates comment on how their version is better and faster?
I'd say that any PC gamer who ISN'T on Steam probably doesn't like video games very much, or doesn't like their money very much. Steam is incredibly convenient and really cheap.
Until the owners of Steam decide they're not getting as much money as they could elsewhere and pull the plug. Where does that leave all those people who reply on their service to activate/play games? Having a place to download things from is fine, having to activate things online using a third party when you've bought DvD/CD's retail is ridiculous and will lead to lots of people having coasters in a few years time.
Personally I'd rather miss out on a few games than put all my gaming eggs in one steaming basket.
Valve has stated that A) they are making money hand over fist. They found that whenever they hold a sale, the number of units bought after the sale skyrockets because of word of mouth. One example they gave is Borderlands, which is actually on sale today at 75% off for $4.99. Gabe Newell has gone on records as saying that if, for any reason, Steam has to be shut down, they will give users ample warning and let them download and save all their games with the Steam DRM removed.
It's really about trust. I refused to buy into Steam until late 2009 at which point the Orange Box went on sale for $2.99. I did my research and found that Valve tends to take account security, customer service, and ample sales into account. The only game I bought for full price on Steam was L.A. Noire, and that is because I really, really, really want Rockstar to put GTAV on PC.
But don't take my word for it, do some research and see what you think.
I don't understand some of the criticism that the Skyrim mods are hard to install, so people are scared of d/l'ing and putting them in.
Jeez, the vast majority of the mods are simple drag the mod into the data folder. The authors are very good with their instructions to get them in the proper place. If you know how to skim around your folders, that's 3/4 the job right there. Hell, browsing around Steam, finding a specific game, and completing a purchase for whatever game is more complicated than getting and installing a mod.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I don't understand some of the criticism that the Skyrim mods are hard to install, so people are scared of d/l'ing and putting them in.
Jeez, the vast majority of the mods are simple drag the mod into the data folder. The authors are very good with their instructions to get them in the proper place. If you know how to skim around your folders, that's 3/4 the job right there. Hell, browsing around Steam, finding a specific game, and completing a purchase for whatever game is more complicated than getting and installing a mod.
People used to download mods and install them manually...
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Thanks Tardcore, I was going to respond but the guy who posted that went so completely straw man I didn't really want to get into it
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
I like this idea, Steam to me is an awesome thing, OMG but I need to be on the interwebs to access my game !!!, oh wait I am connected to high speed interenet 24/7 .
Ya I know osme poeple arnt, but lets face it its almost 2012 , for most access to the net is not a big deal.
There are some disadvantages to steam I guess, but for me the advantages far outweigh them, as for myself I have never had any problems with steam, games always work fine.
No strawman in anything i wrote. Only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying whom I wrote what to. I would think it would be obvious however since people know what they wrote in their own posts. My first paragraph was for you. The rest was in response to others who have been posting in this topic. Instead of adressing everybody individually I gathered all in one post.
Somebody complained about advertisements - adressed
People often complain even in this thread about having to be online - adressed
Somebody posted about how people should stick to consoles if they don't feel like figuring out how to install things on their own - adressed
Where's the strawman or better yet and valid points from your part? Unless you count a whole lot of if's and but's valid points. I'll give you a thumbs up if you can at least explain why steam DRM is bad for you based on reality. Not any what if's scenarios. I like to deal with the reality we live in not wild speculations
It's strawman becuase you used my post to start a rant about why people don't like steam. If you wanted to do that you could have just created your own post rather then referencing mine as it clearly looks like your trying to counter my points.
Also you don't have any valid points if we're defining it by your own defintion. You critiise me for, 'wild speculation', and then wildly speculate why some other people don't like you've beloved Steam, (e.g. 'poor internet connection, 'don't like deals on an online portal', and your most ludicrous one yet, 'Stop living in the 80's man!').
And your doing it again, did I say anything about DRM in my post? No, I'm concerned for the community who've been with Bethasda for ages and what potentially it could mean for them.
It may mean nothing in, 'reality', to those people but it could change the whole relationship between modders and publishers. If buts and maybes are what we are dealing with here because the outcome is unknown. I'm not a fan of Steam but if you are, thats your choice. The reality here is that you have a view point and you seem to want to attack anyone who doesn't share it with whatever comes to mind, regardless of what they actually wrote.
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
Where Am I speculating?
Need to be online with steam http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4586755
I don't like advertisements on steam http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4585272 second response in the post.
Any more examples of me speculating?
As I said the only thing I'm guilty of is not specifying and making a seperate post. Point taken. I should specifically have adressed you only. Doesn't really make it a strawman, just poorly formatted. It certainly doesn't take away from the fact what you wrote 'concerns' not facts, not anything that has happend. just a scenario. That doesn't really say anything against my beloved steam
, but it seems you finally got that.
In truth I don't care if you dislike steam. I think it's valid, a person doesn't like steam because they don't want to give them all that power etc. That however is a farcry from saying "steam is bad". Ones personal issues with trust or ones fears is not a logical reason to deem Steam as something bad. It just isn't for you because of your own personal reason.
I'm okay with it, since I don't even play Skyrim on Steam in the first place.
I suppose it would be an easier way for the 'mod impaired' to install things without mucking about in the data files. ...but the implied censorship is what bothers me. I read something about mods needing to be 'approved'.
Something tells me that my dickgirl khajit won't be slaughtering children, having sex with dragons, and casting the 'rape' spell anytime soon if I went that route.
How do you not use Steam and still play Skyrim. Even if you buy the box set you still have to install and connect through steam? Are you doing somethin naughty?
I had read before the last patch you could copy the entire game over and play it wihout using Steam, But then your version would be locked unless Bethesda is issuing standalone patches.
Then you get to be "underground". Isn't that way cooler?
Harriet Tubman was 'underground', and she was pretty cool.. so I guess so?
See? it's not as bad as it seem. it depends on how you look at it
Convenience is not necessarily control. You can still use mods the other way correct? I am just glad I can use mods at all with steam or I would not buy through them. They have added another option for people.
It is likely going to bring more people into trying out mods. I think this is good. . although the same thing happened with accessability to MMOs right?
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I've worked on a few mods before. One of my major ones was for Dragon Age. I have to say, after I became involved and it went along, the amount of PMs was staggering. Everything from praisal, requests, problems, and any number of other issues. I tried to keep up, but that inbox just kept getting fuller.
I can't imagine what it would be like for someone who releases a mod through Steamworks and it becomes popular. Aren't the names attached? With forums, it's a headache, but I'd figure it would be so much worse through Steam with constant friend request popups and more.
It's been an old fact of the modding scene that modders cannot charge others to use their works. Something along the lines of them making money off somebody else's game. Most especially with a franchise such as TES. Bethesda will no way in hell allow modders to make money off their games.
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Every thing i can disable i disabled in steam no problems that anybody can PM me or follow me or disturb me:)
So if you don;t like to be disturbed that much just release mod but disable everything so you won't get a full inbox:)
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Might wanna read the article you quoted. Old-school modding will still work.Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
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I don't fuck wit steam or gpotato or really, any of those third party apps that have no real use. Why am I buying games then watching pirates comment on how their version is better and faster?
So I have a line in the sand and this is it.
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Valve has stated that A) they are making money hand over fist. They found that whenever they hold a sale, the number of units bought after the sale skyrockets because of word of mouth. One example they gave is Borderlands, which is actually on sale today at 75% off for $4.99.
Gabe Newell has gone on records as saying that if, for any reason, Steam has to be shut down, they will give users ample warning and let them download and save all their games with the Steam DRM removed.
It's really about trust. I refused to buy into Steam until late 2009 at which point the Orange Box went on sale for $2.99. I did my research and found that Valve tends to take account security, customer service, and ample sales into account. The only game I bought for full price on Steam was L.A. Noire, and that is because I really, really, really want Rockstar to put GTAV on PC.
But don't take my word for it, do some research and see what you think.
I don't understand some of the criticism that the Skyrim mods are hard to install, so people are scared of d/l'ing and putting them in.
Jeez, the vast majority of the mods are simple drag the mod into the data folder. The authors are very good with their instructions to get them in the proper place. If you know how to skim around your folders, that's 3/4 the job right there. Hell, browsing around Steam, finding a specific game, and completing a purchase for whatever game is more complicated than getting and installing a mod.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
People used to download mods and install them manually...
...but they took an arrow to the knee.
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