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clearly. there is no actual good reason not to like SWTOR.
Desperation leads to fear. Fear leads to the dark side. The dark side leads to the Sith. It's a marketing ploy!
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The evidence is piling up that it's very much deeper than that.
List of games this forum didn't like:
LOTRO, AoC, WAR, Aion, Rift, a host of F2Ps, and now TOR. Basicially, everything that's been released for at least seven years, possibly even longer. That's just a complete sweep, every themepark that's be published since WoW. And if you're watching carefully, you can even see people already lining up to give GW2 the same treatment.
Now there's two ways you can look at these results. All the dev's fault, if only they'd make better games. Or--
Expectations that cannot be met in a reasonable time frame with a reasonable budget.
Does that not sound like the very definition of burnout?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Just look up "fail" in the dictionary. They're all mentioned there. WoW and EVE met the expectations perfectly. The problem is that you can't play the same game forever. Everything gets old after a while.
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
I see two replies that only confirm themepark burnout.
Any questions, WSIMike?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
What about the entire premise of this thread? Is there no redundancy in coming to a forum to express bitterness that people feel differently than the OP?
If it's okay for such a thread to be made (by your standards), why is it not okay for the opposite? Which seems to be what the OP is saying, he wants everyone to stop "hyping" TOR. Yet he fails to acknowledge, pre-hype is based on wishes and expectations, post-hype is based on experiences, if that's their experience, they're justified in sharing it.
He's trying to discredit opinions based on his own, what is more redundant than that? What happened to the simple premise of "each to their own"?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If that's what it takes to be weird - count me in!
Of course it's burnout. You can't exploit the very same flawed mechanics for a decade and hope that people will be happy to pay for this crap again and again. It's easy to hate Blizzard but it was the only company that really tried to innovate. Of course it's all in the past now, ActiBliz only cares about money. Still, nobody picked up the torch.
P.S. Re. f2p MMOs: some of them could be alright but pay2win/pay2enjoy business model ruined everything. Once you start selling in-game advantage, you can as well go all the way because nobody will take your game seriously.
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
Actually thats a false dichotomy...
Omg that is why I quit Rift. Tiny worldspace, abysmal endgame and meaningless pvp. With the statement above I shudder to think.
I'm just watching these threads with a slight grin and waiting. In 6 to 12 months I could really beat fanboys up on retention. The thing is all the fanboys will disappear when this time comes.
How many Rift threads are you posting in or following? Thought so.....
Life IS Feudal
I can't believe someone would even believe for a second that SWTOR is more on rails than Rift and has smaller area and much less content. Sorry neither you or the poster you quoted have any idea or correct information about the game. Even the starting planets of SWTOR are bigger than Rifts normal map size.
Oh i wouldn't know because I wouldn't drop a nickel on this old worn out formula. I was referencing his statement. The meat of my post was this:
I'm just watching these threads with a slight grin and waiting. In 6 to 12 months I could really beat fanboys up on retention. The thing is all the fanboys will disappear when this time comes.
How many Rift threads are you posting in or following? Thought so.....
Life IS Feudal
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Fixed that for you.
You know, there are other directions themepark MMO's could have taken, see early DAOC for an example. (or Asheron's Call)
Alas most went the way of EQ/WOW (including present day DAOC even)
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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+1-1=0
It's not only the way they went. It's also how they went it. They still can't even copy vanilla WoW perfectly, and WoW has evolved quite noticeably since vanilla.
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
What would you like to discuss in 6-12 months? TOR might not have as many players at that point?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Aye, you are right that Rift has lost subscribers in the last little few months, though I doubt your conclusion that it is due to the game itself. The release of several high-end (stunning) games may contribute to the loss, and I would suggest that this loss is felt by all mmorpgs.
In case you want suggestions on the new releases that could contribute to this: Skyrim, CoD, BF3, and the release of SWToR itself are going to be pulling people away from other games. Rather then being curious of how Rift will handle the population decrease, I wonder how many are going to come back in the following months. Hmmm maybe I am an optimist after all.
Cheers
Sounds like desperation to keep the masses from playing SWTOR. Fail. Check the subs. We are in the millions and growing, You can't compare another recent MMO to it.
ColdSun
SWTOR is the first MMO since vanilla WOW launched where i have actually enjoyed leveling. that is a massive feat unto itself, because if there is anything i hate in MMOs it is leveling.
that alone makes this game a complete success. if it can make me like leveling again, im sure most of the unjaded MMO gamers are going crazy.
OP are you sure you're not just sitting in your room, projecting your own feelings into the internet?
because I think that's all there might be.
There is nothing wrong enjoying game for a few months "only". I thought the game is there for exactly that reason. if you get a few years out of it, than even "better" I supose.
Your predictions are like saying tomorrow will be another day - of course everyone will quit eventualy. Some sooner some later.
People have emotions and get excited. A big MMO excites more people. It's not about individuals praising it more than any other game. It's just a perception because there is a much bigger community and MORE people praise it.
Generaly speaking it's not about people getting pleased easily. It's about getting hopes up high and than falling hard getting all emotional. That's what is / will be reason for comming over to vent emotions on forums - a perfect place to do it without any consequence.
I assure you many more are and will enjoy it playing.
Personaly I had no expectations. After a long MMO career I am tired of themark games and haven't played em for the past 2 years. I only recently decided to give it a go after beta when I noticed SW actualy has done another big step forward in themepark-mmo industry, enaugh for me to try it.
Knowing exactly what it is, without any expectations I can only say it's a great game. Professional (something that many experienced gamers will praise sooner or later due to a big sea of unprofessional games flooding market), polished (haven't seen as polished mmo pre-release), and a big step in questing (we can easily call it "new-gen questing" which made me follow story for the first time in a decade of playing mmos).
Other than that I'm not realy expecting anything mindblowing. If it will be, than even better.
If I pull a line I guess we agree on one thing, OP. People shouldn't overhype themselves and expect a revolutionary mmo.
Anyone who expects that, will get highly dissapointed. Instead, try and learn to take it for what it is, as it still is a top class mmo - and that is what actualy brings in the crowd.
I know people will disagree and say blah blah its the same old thing with VO. I am really enjoying and enjoying the story.
I would like to tell you all what my good friend who I play all my mmo's with (its a good way to stay in touch since we live on opposite sides of the country) said last night. He is a huge negative nancy. He ****** so much in beta about the story and just spaced bar'd through it. Last night we were leveling on Taris and he goes, "oh wow im almost 19, between main story quest lines and character story I never notice how much I have actually leveled it just seems to happen." Again everyone may not like it but as negative as he is to sit there and admit that stunned me. I thought I was just gonna hear him complain all the way to 50.
Ashline, I will agree with you I have not actually really felt like I was grinding to 50. The levels just seem to happen as you play through the story and for me and my friend thats been a huge plus.
As usual, the truth lies somewhere between the extremes. Add one "Me too".
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I think the desperation is coming from people who want this game to fail, only to see what a hit it is with players.
Btw, nice patronizing post. I love when people think they know better than the millions of folks playing the game.