No matter how good or bad SWTOR is, I simply don't think its been out long enough to win Game of the Year in any category. And since MMORPGs are essentially continual affairs, with new content added every year, why does the Game of the Year in the MMORPG category need to be released in that year? It seems to me that WoW and Rift both have had more hours played this calendar year, and possibly several others as well. Was WoW eliminated from competition simply because the core game was released in 1994? There was a WoW upgrade this year, wasn't there?
This award is simply based off hype and advertising. If this trend continues (and it probably will), I can already name their winner for 2012 -- Guild Wars II. In 2013, it will probably be EQ Next (even if the game doesn't make it to market my then).
Every quality MMo took a *major* step backwards this year
WoW-Cata was bad, first population decrease ever
EvE-Leaked documents showcasing company greed
LOTRO-First expansion in years is lackluster
EQ2-Probably the best old contender, but DoV wasnt a smash and concerns of overcharging for AoD
Really it comes down to calling SWTOR a 2011 release. If you do, then its MMO of the year. If not its Rift. not necessarily because they were new, but because it was by far the worst year for the older MMOs.
Rift really isnt MMO of the year worthy. It wins by default. Trion however would be MMO developer of the year by a *huge* margin, and would have won in a year with better competition as well.
Not sure who you are speaking to with the holier than thou, but from the responces on this thread I don't see anyone speaking for all and claiming they have the only truth. Decent discussions and points being made here so lets not be disrespectful by putting words in others mouths hmm.
It's the kind of crap like: "That reward was bought..." or whatever. It's like some don't comprehend that people think differently, hence the reward being based on an opinion, not a fact. It's fine to say you (not specifically you, of course) don't agree with something, but to condemn a website for liking something you do not is quite simply a highly disrespectful accusation.
We're still logging hours in a galaxy far, far away to bring you our full review, but this award should give you an idea how we feel about BioWare's long-awaited Star Wars MMO. From day one, the renowned RPG studio said it would set its game apart from the competition with story, voice, and choice -- and we'll be a scruffy nerf herder, BioWare has delivered.
Whether playing as a member of the Republic or the Empire, as a Jedi, Sith, or any of the other classes, our staff was sucked into SWTOR by its well-written storylines -- storylines we likely would have glossed over if they weren't delivered with a staggering amount of recorded dialogue. Add in BioWare's signature dialogue trees and the element of choice, and we've become fully immersed in SWTOR unlike any MMO before it.
There are certainly disappointments, namely in the underwhelming space combat mini-game, the technically unambitious graphics, and the thin character and starship customization options, but the positives tower over those like an Imperial Walker. Given the size and scope of The Old Republic, EA and BioWare also deserve credit for a fairly smooth launch. No one likes queues, but when it means your server won't crash, they're not the end of the world. We'll be playing TOR for a long time, and we think you will, too.
I disagree with SWTOR as game of the year but at least Gamespy gave some reasons to back up their choice as opposed to Massively. Oh let me correct, Massively did give reasons but they were:
We're still logging hours in a galaxy far, far away to bring you our full review, but this award should give you an idea how we feel about BioWare's long-awaited Star Wars MMO. From day one, the renowned RPG studio said it would set its game apart from the competition with story, voice, and choice -- and we'll be a scruffy nerf herder, BioWare has delivered.
Whether playing as a member of the Republic or the Empire, as a Jedi, Sith, or any of the other classes, our staff was sucked into SWTOR by its well-written storylines -- storylines we likely would have glossed over if they weren't delivered with a staggering amount of recorded dialogue. Add in BioWare's signature dialogue trees and the element of choice, and we've become fully immersed in SWTOR unlike any MMO before it.
There are certainly disappointments, namely in the underwhelming space combat mini-game, the technically unambitious graphics, and the thin character and starship customization options, but the positives tower over those like an Imperial Walker. Given the size and scope of The Old Republic, EA and BioWare also deserve credit for a fairly smooth launch. No one likes queues, but when it means your server won't crash, they're not the end of the world. We'll be playing TOR for a long time, and we think you will, too.
I disagree with SWTOR as game of the year but at least Gamespy gave some reasons to back up their choice as opposed to Massively. Oh let me correct, Massively did give reasons but they were:
1. It just launched.
2. It had a ton of hype.
Well then, by those reasons and standards, Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol should win this years Academy Award.
1. Just Released
2. Tons of hype
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Everything on TV is crap, but they still have to have an awards show.
Everything on TV is crap? i don't know what channels you have been watching dude but i have some great television going on. Breaking Bad, Dexter, Game of thrones to name a few.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Everything on TV is crap, but they still have to have an awards show.
Everything on TV is crap? i don't know what channels you have been watching dude but i have some great television going on. Breaking Bad, Dexter, Game of thrones to name a few.
Out for a week and wins MMO of the year? Not saying this because I don't like the game but because it's been out for a week...
agreed -- SWTOR should not be in the 2011 list with only a week under its belt
It's very likely their editors have had a lot more than a week to play the game... And I'll go ahead and trust their opinion about what they feel is THEIR game of the gear,.
Grats to SWToR for making MMO of the year. Saying SwToR should not be competing against other 2011 MMO releases must be a joke?
Oh, sorry. I guess any worthwhile MMO release must be a "sandbox" and/or a commercial failure to qualify? Please look back at 2011 releases: This was a walkover. The interesting thing here will be retention 3 months out. I really like to cheer the wellmade, polished games on so my hopes are that SWToR retains a solid sub-base.
Other games: Skyrim is one hell of a wellmade game. I love it and it deserves all the credit it got.
Now please run that, other more deserving 2011 MMO-release, by me again?
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!! (repeat ad infinitum)
You made it sound like SWTOR took GOTY. It got MMO of the year, and that's not saying much because it really didn't have much competition - so congrats I guess. As for best GOTY, they gave that crown to Skyrim, which also took RPG of the year.
Noted. Edited my post to reflect MMO and not Game. Blame it on me taking an arrow to the knee...
You spun your tale wrong, my friend. You need to visit the Bard's College in Solitude.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Ewww.. Skyrim as game of the year? I was done playing that borefest after week one. I loved playing Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas; but honestly, Skyrim's content is seriously repetitive. At times I felt like I was playing a MMORPG where all you do is tasks with no interesting storylines or conflicts.
Every dungeon looked the same.. same 3 types of enemies. I swear if I was going to fight yet another predictable undead Nord again...
Ewww.. Skyrim as game of the year? I was done playing that borefest after week one. I loved playing Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas; but honestly, Skyrim's content is seriously repetitive. At times I felt like I was playing a MMORPG where all you do is tasks with no interesting storylines or conflicts.
Every dungeon looked the same.. same 3 types of enemies. I swear if I was going to fight yet another predictable undead Nord again...
lmaooo I still don't get your poiint
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Swtor only won because of a lack of any real competition, not because its actually a good game, I mean, rift was in 2010, and really the only major mmo release in 2011 has been wow cataclysm and thats just an expansion, so of course a game like swtor would win it, it was just due to lack of any real competition and not on the game itself, they had to choose something that came out in 2011 and there really was not many choices in the mmorpg field. I wouldn't be impressed by a GOTY when the only reason the game won it was because the game had no competition really.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Swtor only won because of a lack of any real competition, not because its actually a good game, I mean, rift was in 2010, and really the only major mmo release in 2011 has been wow cataclysm and thats just an expansion, so of course a game like swtor would win it, it was just due to lack of any real competition and not on the game itself, they had to choose something that came out in 2011 and there really was not many choices in the mmorpg field. I wouldn't be impressed by a GOTY when the only reason the game won it was because the game had no competition really.
Ewww.. Skyrim as game of the year? I was done playing that borefest after week one. I loved playing Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas; but honestly, Skyrim's content is seriously repetitive. At times I felt like I was playing a MMORPG where all you do is tasks with no interesting storylines or conflicts.
Every dungeon looked the same.. same 3 types of enemies. I swear if I was going to fight yet another predictable undead Nord again...
lmaooo I still don't get your poiint
Heh I do, I also found skyrim really boring compared to oblivion, the world in skyrim was fairly bland and unintersting, the places weren't that intersting either, and the game was overly simplified which is what ruined dungeon siege III. Nevermind the fact the story was pretty much bleh and boring.
In general games have gone down the shittubes in recent years, mostly they are just milked for their name with the game getting crappier and crappier every new version, I mean, how many games that were released recently can you say the sequel lived up to the first one? I honestly cannot name one. FPS and sports games don't count, they are milked hardcore especally call of duty series, and the EA line of sports titles.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Swtor only won because of a lack of any real competition, not because its actually a good game, I mean, rift was in 2010, and really the only major mmo release in 2011 has been wow cataclysm and thats just an expansion, so of course a game like swtor would win it, it was just due to lack of any real competition and not on the game itself, they had to choose something that came out in 2011 and there really was not many choices in the mmorpg field. I wouldn't be impressed by a GOTY when the only reason the game won it was because the game had no competition really.
Rift was released March 2011
Still wasn't much competition, in this case I guess swtor won due to fanboys and again not on swtor actually being a good game, bribes also help. I mean star wars is well known but I can ask some people if they heard of rift and they say they never have, but if I mention swtor/star wars most people will say they heard of it. Me? I think star wars is alright, I loved the first 3 movies, but EP 1,2 and 3 kinda were bleh compared, it felt too.. phony I guess? But I have to admit it was total win seeing yoda kick some ass, I never laughed so hard in my life. Ep2 especally sucked, to much talking and lovey dovey crap and not enough star warsy stuff.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Comments
Every quality MMo took a *major* step backwards this year
WoW-Cata was bad, first population decrease ever
EvE-Leaked documents showcasing company greed
LOTRO-First expansion in years is lackluster
EQ2-Probably the best old contender, but DoV wasnt a smash and concerns of overcharging for AoD
Really it comes down to calling SWTOR a 2011 release. If you do, then its MMO of the year. If not its Rift. not necessarily because they were new, but because it was by far the worst year for the older MMOs.
Rift really isnt MMO of the year worthy. It wins by default. Trion however would be MMO developer of the year by a *huge* margin, and would have won in a year with better competition as well.
It's the kind of crap like: "That reward was bought..." or whatever. It's like some don't comprehend that people think differently, hence the reward being based on an opinion, not a fact. It's fine to say you (not specifically you, of course) don't agree with something, but to condemn a website for liking something you do not is quite simply a highly disrespectful accusation.
I disagree with SWTOR as game of the year but at least Gamespy gave some reasons to back up their choice as opposed to Massively. Oh let me correct, Massively did give reasons but they were:
1. It just launched.
2. It had a ton of hype.
Do you guys realize these rewards are based on Marketing dollars ? They are freakin paid for.
Well then, by those reasons and standards, Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol should win this years Academy Award.
1. Just Released
2. Tons of hype
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Everything on TV is crap? i don't know what channels you have been watching dude but i have some great television going on. Breaking Bad, Dexter, Game of thrones to name a few.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
AMEN!!!!!!!
Glad THE WITCHER 2 beats SWTOR on PC EXCLUSIVE catagory as best PC game of the year
And SKYRIM as usual BEST game of 2011 http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/articles/121/1215449p7.html
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
At least there are some reviewers with taste out there!
agreed -- SWTOR should not be in the 2011 list with only a week under its belt
EQ2 fan sites
The winner is... GREED!
Applause.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
It's very likely their editors have had a lot more than a week to play the game... And I'll go ahead and trust their opinion about what they feel is THEIR game of the gear,.
Grats to SWToR for making MMO of the year. Saying SwToR should not be competing against other 2011 MMO releases must be a joke?
Oh, sorry. I guess any worthwhile MMO release must be a "sandbox" and/or a commercial failure to qualify? Please look back at 2011 releases: This was a walkover. The interesting thing here will be retention 3 months out. I really like to cheer the wellmade, polished games on so my hopes are that SWToR retains a solid sub-base.
Other games: Skyrim is one hell of a wellmade game. I love it and it deserves all the credit it got.
Now please run that, other more deserving 2011 MMO-release, by me again?
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
You spun your tale wrong, my friend. You need to visit the Bard's College in Solitude.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
... By being a better MMORPG.
.. But in a good way.
Ewww.. Skyrim as game of the year? I was done playing that borefest after week one. I loved playing Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas; but honestly, Skyrim's content is seriously repetitive. At times I felt like I was playing a MMORPG where all you do is tasks with no interesting storylines or conflicts.
Every dungeon looked the same.. same 3 types of enemies. I swear if I was going to fight yet another predictable undead Nord again...
Still not understand how an MMO can be judged so quickly as best game.
MMOs in an ideal world would be games that can and should be endured infinitely. Seems utterly short-sighted to declare it best MMO ever.
Also I lol'd at the one positive.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
Too soon to tell.
I would have given RIFT every award in the world in it's first month.
The Aelfwar Crusade in Silverwood is still one of the most fun things I have experienced in an MMO in the recent years.
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
lmaooo I still don't get your poiint
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Swtor only won because of a lack of any real competition, not because its actually a good game, I mean, rift was in 2010, and really the only major mmo release in 2011 has been wow cataclysm and thats just an expansion, so of course a game like swtor would win it, it was just due to lack of any real competition and not on the game itself, they had to choose something that came out in 2011 and there really was not many choices in the mmorpg field. I wouldn't be impressed by a GOTY when the only reason the game won it was because the game had no competition really.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
Rift was released March 2011
Heh I do, I also found skyrim really boring compared to oblivion, the world in skyrim was fairly bland and unintersting, the places weren't that intersting either, and the game was overly simplified which is what ruined dungeon siege III. Nevermind the fact the story was pretty much bleh and boring.
In general games have gone down the shittubes in recent years, mostly they are just milked for their name with the game getting crappier and crappier every new version, I mean, how many games that were released recently can you say the sequel lived up to the first one? I honestly cannot name one. FPS and sports games don't count, they are milked hardcore especally call of duty series, and the EA line of sports titles.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
Still wasn't much competition, in this case I guess swtor won due to fanboys and again not on swtor actually being a good game, bribes also help. I mean star wars is well known but I can ask some people if they heard of rift and they say they never have, but if I mention swtor/star wars most people will say they heard of it. Me? I think star wars is alright, I loved the first 3 movies, but EP 1,2 and 3 kinda were bleh compared, it felt too.. phony I guess? But I have to admit it was total win seeing yoda kick some ass, I never laughed so hard in my life. Ep2 especally sucked, to much talking and lovey dovey crap and not enough star warsy stuff.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!