It has nothing to do with EALouses "garbage" since we already know the actual figure or at least the one that EA states. There are also facts out at the real number of game sales out there. Also there are facts out there that tells how much EA/Bioware makes per game and how much LucasArts cut is. Alls you have to do is look and do the math.
Anyway, during primetime, when my own server is listed as heavy, I still walk through towns and see nobody.. like literally nobody. I can run around in the capital city for 5 minutes and run into maybe 3 people. Feels instanced into oblivion.
Europe at random 4am hours probably?
No, during the day, 1PM.
Granted, it's a workday, but compared to other games it's below expectation, occupation wise. I wouldn't mind a server merge with higher server caps.
It was 9 (or 10) AM in Germany/France and 8 (9) AM in England. Currently it's 11 AM in Germany.
Oh don't be so daft, it is simple math from a statement BW made on the 23rd (http://www.swtor.com/blog/ray-and-greg-thank-you-playing) "over one million people are now registered players of the game" lets give BW the benefit of the doubt and make it 1.5M sold copies and be (very) generous and give them ~60$ for every copy sold and the game cost ~120.000.000$ to make (low estimate I know)
Income (1.500.000 x 60$) 90.000.000$
Cost 120.000.000$
Profit/Loss -30.000.000$
Are you sector13? don't think so. The problem is trying to pass your assumptions and estimates as facts. That is your calculation but it is not a fact like the other guy likes to keep repeating.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Who gives a crap if you like it or not? Really? Why not just let those who enjoy playing it enjoy playing it, and those who dont, go and play something you do enjoy. Its not rocket science. What on earth is the point of trolling forums posting screenshots of servers, as though that somehow justifies your own dislike of one product in a sea of products.
Do you go to your local shops and stand there with a chart of sales figures for the day, shouting about how Pepsi is selling less than Coke this morning, and how everyone should stop drinking Pepsi *RIGHT NOW* and all drink Coke instead?
Do you live such an unexciting life, such an empty unfullfilled existance, such a lonely friend free time that you need to trawl internet forums looking to stir up some emotion from passing strangers who are simply enjoying a computer game?
If there is a game you like, go and play it! If there are no games - go and design one and try and get funding. If your too lazy to do either, go out for a nice walk and try and meet people. Although I suspect this will end badly once they realise how small minded and petty you are.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
Oh don't be so daft, it is simple math from a statement BW made on the 23rd (http://www.swtor.com/blog/ray-and-greg-thank-you-playing) "over one million people are now registered players of the game" lets give BW the benefit of the doubt and make it 1.5M sold copies and be (very) generous and give them ~60$ for every copy sold and the game cost ~120.000.000$ to make (low estimate I know)
Income (1.500.000 x 60$) 90.000.000$
Cost 120.000.000$
Profit/Loss -30.000.000$
Are you sector13? don't think so. The problem is trying to pass your assumptions and estimates as facts. That is your calculation but it is not a fact like the other guy likes to keep repeating.
So what are the facts?
You haven't posted any. You're not even posting estimates. You just have random nonsense.
It's obviously doing well to the suprise of the haters.. .and obviously not doing as good as the fanboys would want.
It's STAR WARS... anything with star wars on the box sells a bucketload, let alone STAR WARS & BIOWARE.
What's actually inside is another matter.
Unfortunatly, the 'haters', as you call them, are aware of the fact that anything before the first month is pointless information. Although the fanboys are seemingly oblivious of this fact which just makes them look stupid. It can do very well in the first month but if 60% of the subs drop then it wont be doing so well anymore.
I would hardly call it pointless. It's the largest mmo launch in history. That's not pointless. They made a boatload of their money back on day one, if not all of it.
It may not be the most important thing when considering the future health of the game, but it is a long way from pointless.
We'll see if a few months. Also, just so you know, BW didn't even make half there money back in the "largest mmo launch in hostory" cause they spent too much money on a mediocre title.
Proof? That's a pretty bold claim.
I'll hold my breath, I'm sure you'll get back to me with proof real quick.
Or you could learn to use math for yourself but I guess that's too much for you.
I seriously hope your not basing this off of EALouse's garbage considering that 300 mil figure was debunked a long time ago.
Aside from that from box sales and digital sales they should be at a cool 140mil. Considering most rationale people figure the development cost to be between 100-150mil considering it cost more than WAR to develop but is vastly less that EALouses bull figures.
So I'd say anyone good at math that isn't trying to continue to spread misinformation and troll would say they've likely made they're money back already or come extremely close to it.
It has nothing to do with EALouses "garbage" since we already know the actual figure or at least the one that EA states. There are also facts out at the real number of game sales out there. Also there are facts out there that tells how much EA/Bioware makes per game and how much LucasArts cut is. Alls you have to do is look and do the math.
lol, no links, no figures, nothing there but "Believe me cause I said so". Quit trolling my friend, you're simply not good at it.
They are posted on other threads, go find them. =P
Meaning you don't know of any but you hope they exist. If you have some links to share that prove you right then by all means do share, I mean that is something that someone that knows they are right would do.
I mean only a troll would sit there and not back up anything he/she claims and then try and say that people are just to lazy to find the truth.
I mean I could go as cliche to say something like put up or shut up but we both know you wouldn't do either. Defeats the point of trolling.
Oh don't be so daft, it is simple math from a statement BW made on the 23rd (http://www.swtor.com/blog/ray-and-greg-thank-you-playing) "over one million people are now registered players of the game" lets give BW the benefit of the doubt and make it 1.5M sold copies and be (very) generous and give them ~60$ for every copy sold and the game cost ~120.000.000$ to make (low estimate I know)
Income (1.500.000 x 60$) 90.000.000$
Cost 120.000.000$
Profit/Loss -30.000.000$
Are you sector13? don't think so. The problem is trying to pass your assumptions and estimates as facts. That is your calculation but it is not a fact like the other guy likes to keep repeating.
So what are the facts?
You haven't posted any. You're not even posting estimates. You just have random nonsense.
I think you quoted the wrong person bro.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
It's obviously doing well to the suprise of the haters.. .and obviously not doing as good as the fanboys would want.
It's STAR WARS... anything with star wars on the box sells a bucketload, let alone STAR WARS & BIOWARE.
What's actually inside is another matter.
Unfortunatly, the 'haters', as you call them, are aware of the fact that anything before the first month is pointless information. Although the fanboys are seemingly oblivious of this fact which just makes them look stupid. It can do very well in the first month but if 60% of the subs drop then it wont be doing so well anymore.
I would hardly call it pointless. It's the largest mmo launch in history. That's not pointless. They made a boatload of their money back on day one, if not all of it.
It may not be the most important thing when considering the future health of the game, but it is a long way from pointless.
We'll see if a few months. Also, just so you know, BW didn't even make half there money back in the "largest mmo launch in hostory" cause they spent too much money on a mediocre title.
Proof? That's a pretty bold claim.
I'll hold my breath, I'm sure you'll get back to me with proof real quick.
Or you could learn to use math for yourself but I guess that's too much for you.
I seriously hope your not basing this off of EALouse's garbage considering that 300 mil figure was debunked a long time ago.
Aside from that from box sales and digital sales they should be at a cool 140mil. Considering most rationale people figure the development cost to be between 100-150mil considering it cost more than WAR to develop but is vastly less that EALouses bull figures.
So I'd say anyone good at math that isn't trying to continue to spread misinformation and troll would say they've likely made they're money back already or come extremely close to it.
It has nothing to do with EALouses "garbage" since we already know the actual figure or at least the one that EA states. There are also facts out at the real number of game sales out there. Also there are facts out there that tells how much EA/Bioware makes per game and how much LucasArts cut is. Alls you have to do is look and do the math.
lol, no links, no figures, nothing there but "Believe me cause I said so". Quit trolling my friend, you're simply not good at it.
They are posted on other threads, go find them. =P
Meaning you don't know of any but you hope they exist. If you have some links to share that prove you right then by all means do share, I mean that is something that someone that knows they are right would do.
I mean only a troll would sit there and not back up anything he/she claims and then try and say that people are just to lazy to find the truth.
I mean I could go as cliche to say something like put up or shut up but we both know you wouldn't do either. Defeats the point of trolling.
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
We'll see if a few months. Also, just so you know, BW didn't even make half there money back in the "largest mmo launch in hostory" cause they spent too much money on a mediocre title.
Proof? That's a pretty bold claim.
I'll hold my breath, I'm sure you'll get back to me with proof real quick.
Or you could learn to use math for yourself but I guess that's too much for you.
In other words i have no idea what i am talking about. it is so easy to make up claims and never back them up.
Or the fact that if I did throw my proof on here, you will nitpick it like fanboys do to twist it and say how it's not true. So doing so would be a waste of time but whatever.
What proof? 'do your own math'? sorry you got nothing
*chuckles*
What math? How much did the game cost? You said they didn't make half their money back. To know that you would need to know how much money the game cost. I don't know how much it cost, so I'm asking you (who appears to know the answer).
Well, here's the math I can do.
If SWTOR sold 1 million copies (obviously a low guess) and we just count the standard edition price, they brought in 40 - 60 million dollars in revenue.
No they didn't. I read in a gaming magazine about 2/3 of the sale price from a game goes to the retailer.
Plus Lucasarts takes a share as well.
It's more like $10-$15 per copy, perhaps even less.
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
You mean just how you throw generic 'fanbois' at others in every post? time for pot to say hi to kettle me thinks. ;p
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
There had been 10 or 11 servers still that were not really being used.
As of tonight all servers, save 1, was at least at "normal" status. About 65 or 70% were either orange or red, with about a third of those being wait listed.
For a game doing so "badly", I sure am not seeing it on the servers. All European servers are "normal" or higher at primetime.
Who said this game is doing badly?
Even us who are heavily criticizing the game for not being innovative and more CORPG (co-op RPG) than MMORPG were saying this game would sell very well.
What is interesting to see is where these servers will be at 1-2 months from now...
Oh don't be so daft, it is simple math from a statement BW made on the 23rd (http://www.swtor.com/blog/ray-and-greg-thank-you-playing) "over one million people are now registered players of the game" lets give BW the benefit of the doubt and make it 1.5M sold copies and be (very) generous and give them ~60$ for every copy sold and the game cost ~120.000.000$ to make (low estimate I know)
Income (1.500.000 x 60$) 90.000.000$
Cost 120.000.000$
Profit/Loss -30.000.000$
Are you sector13? don't think so. The problem is trying to pass your assumptions and estimates as facts. That is your calculation but it is not a fact like the other guy likes to keep repeating.
So what are the facts?
You haven't posted any. You're not even posting estimates. You just have random nonsense.
I think you quoted the wrong person bro.
OOPS! Haha, I am really sorry about that. You are right.
This argument just got real confusing with the names and quotes and replies. Ha, It was Sector13 who said the game didn't make half of it's money back.
I just got really confused on this one. Sorry about that!
Yesterday when I looked at around 21:00 GMT+1 there were about 45 full servers in US and 45 full servers in EU. There were 2 light servers in EU and none in the US. There were far more Very Heavy servers in the US than in the EU, but a large amount of Heavy and Standard on both continents as well.
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
You mean just how you throw generic 'fanbois' at others in every post? time for pot to say hi to kettle me thinks. ;p
Not exactly the same analogy but whatever makes you feel smarter.
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
You mean just how you throw generic 'fanbois' at others in every post? time for pot to say hi to kettle me thinks. ;p
Not exactly the same analogy but whatever makes you feel smarter.
No it is the same because both are as generic as you can get when trying to shoot down other's opinions. You do it all the time.
I do feel pretty smart because i don't post server status in middle of the day to claim 'game isn't doing well'.
*chuckles*
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
You mean just how you throw generic 'fanbois' at others in every post? time for pot to say hi to kettle me thinks. ;p
Not exactly the same analogy but whatever makes you feel smarter.
No it is the same because both are as generic as you can get when trying to shoot down other's opinions. You do it all the time.
I do feel pretty smart because i don't post server status in middle of the day to claim 'game isn't doing well'.
*chuckles*
yeap, cause no one works 2nd or 3rd shift. Everyone works 9 to 5 and only plays games in a certain time frame. Yeap, that is pretty smart of you. lol
What math? How much did the game cost? You said they didn't make half their money back. To know that you would need to know how much money the game cost. I don't know how much it cost, so I'm asking you (who appears to know the answer).
Well, here's the math I can do.
If SWTOR sold 1 million copies (obviously a low guess) and we just count the standard edition price, they brought in 40 - 60 million dollars in revenue.
No they didn't. I read in a gaming magazine about 2/3 of the sale price from a game goes to the retailer.
Plus Lucasarts takes a share as well.
It's more like $10-$15 per copy, perhaps even less.
Ok, first of all, LucasArts is not taking their cut until EA recoups it's costs. That's just the way these things work.
Second, if you look at my numbers, even just the ones you quoted, you will see that I put a range there. 40-60 million dollars. If they got an average of 60 dollars for every box sale, a million sales would be 60 million dollars. I realize that they don't, which is why I put 40 - 60 million.
The only reason I included the 60 million, is because of CE and DDE sales. You have to remember, they've already sold timecards as well. This is garunteed subscription revenue.
So going with the lowball number that i posted (you say 2/3 for retail box copies) lets do some very basic math.
40 million dollars, divided by 60 million is 2/3. This is exactly the number that you just posted.
Digital sales on origin are much higher revenue (probably close to 100%) than box sales. This would increase the average revenue to over $40 dollars per copy.
Collectors editions cost $150 dollars and digital deluxe edition costs $80 dollars. These both bring the average revenue they have made so far up.
There is no telling what number of timecards have been sold, but this adds to revenue.
Basically what happened here is this, I gave you very lowball numbers. My lowest number is EXACTLY 2/3 of retail price for EVERY copy of the game sold, retail or digital. This is obviously too low when you consider the other factors I just listed.
Like I said, Lucas will get his cut out of the profits, either that or they're getting a flat fee. I can pretty much garuntee that Lucas isn't taking a flat liscensing fee on this one. They went for the profit.
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
You mean just how you throw generic 'fanbois' at others in every post? time for pot to say hi to kettle me thinks. ;p
Not exactly the same analogy but whatever makes you feel smarter.
No it is the same because both are as generic as you can get when trying to shoot down other's opinions. You do it all the time.
I do feel pretty smart because i don't post server status in middle of the day to claim 'game isn't doing well'.
*chuckles*
yeap, cause no one works 2nd or 3rd shift. Everyone works 9 to 5 and only plays games in a certain time frame. Yeap, that is pretty smart of you. lol
Well, less people do play at weird hours. That should be obvious. That's why they are called peak times.....the majority...that's...that's when they play. I....
What math? How much did the game cost? You said they didn't make half their money back. To know that you would need to know how much money the game cost. I don't know how much it cost, so I'm asking you (who appears to know the answer).
Well, here's the math I can do.
If SWTOR sold 1 million copies (obviously a low guess) and we just count the standard edition price, they brought in 40 - 60 million dollars in revenue.
No they didn't. I read in a gaming magazine about 2/3 of the sale price from a game goes to the retailer.
Plus Lucasarts takes a share as well.
It's more like $10-$15 per copy, perhaps even less.
Ok, first of all, LucasArts is not taking their cut until EA recoups it's costs. That's just the way these things work.
Second, if you look at my numbers, even just the ones you quoted, you will see that I put a range there. 40-60 million dollars. If they got an average of 60 dollars for every box sale, a million sales would be 60 million dollars. I realize that they don't, which is why I put 40 - 60 million.
The only reason I included the 60 million, is because of CE and DDE sales. You have to remember, they've already sold timecards as well. This is garunteed subscription revenue.
So going with the lowball number that i posted (you say 2/3 for retail box copies) lets do some very basic math.
40 million dollars, divided by 60 million is 2/3. This is exactly the number that you just posted.
Digital sales on origin are much higher revenue (probably close to 100%) than box sales. This would increase the average revenue to over $40 dollars per copy.
Collectors editions cost $150 dollars and digital deluxe edition costs $80 dollars. These both bring the average revenue they have made so far up.
There is no telling what number of timecards have been sold, but this adds to revenue.
Basically what happened here is this, I gave you very lowball numbers. My lowest number is EXACTLY 2/3 of retail price for EVERY copy of the game sold, retail or digital. This is obviously too low when you consider the other factors I just listed.
Like I said, Lucas will get his cut out of the profits, either that or they're getting a flat fee. I can pretty much garuntee that Lucas isn't taking a flat liscensing fee on this one. They went for the profit.
Basic math. I can do it.
The actual breakdown is usually like this.........
Oh don't be so daft, it is simple math from a statement BW made on the 23rd (http://www.swtor.com/blog/ray-and-greg-thank-you-playing) "over one million people are now registered players of the game" lets give BW the benefit of the doubt and make it 1.5M sold copies and be (very) generous and give them ~60$ for every copy sold and the game cost ~120.000.000$ to make (low estimate I know)
Income (1.500.000 x 60$) 90.000.000$
Cost 120.000.000$
Profit/Loss -30.000.000$
Are you sector13? don't think so. The problem is trying to pass your assumptions and estimates as facts. That is your calculation but it is not a fact like the other guy likes to keep repeating.
So what are the facts?
You haven't posted any. You're not even posting estimates. You just have random nonsense.
No one other than EA/BW knows the exact number, it is not about exact numbers it is just to show with very generous figures (with a bit of common sense you know the production cost of the game are well beyond 120M$ and that they don't get 60$ per sold copy) that based on BWs statement it is impossible for them to have made a profit from launch.
I won't say they wont make a profit in the long run, no doubt there will be an exodus after the 'free' month but there is a large enough fanbase (including me as I am only level23 and won't get to finish the story before my free month is up) that will subscribe to make it a healthy game and in the end a profit for BW.
Now you can say you don't care if people believe you or not but your continued posting proves otherwise.
Technically, alls it proves is that I am wasting my time on a gaming forum cause I got nothing better to do at 5:44 in the morning but ok.
Continued posting on a game forum would say that sure, but focusing all your time on the single task of trying to convienve people on the internet that you know what your talking about is another matter all together.
But sure since I'm losing interest I'll concede the point.
on eu side at one point there was not many player and ton on the us side for some reason bio or ea had issue processingall those demand !it is starting to cool(but for the the wrong reason)they re waiting for the rush to cool down so their entry can be processed and last time i checked eu was on par with us!(yes that make a fair number of player)with the week i expect the freaking backlog and all verious issue should quiet down !
There had been 10 or 11 servers still that were not really being used.
As of tonight all servers, save 1, was at least at "normal" status. About 65 or 70% were either orange or red, with about a third of those being wait listed.
For a game doing so "badly", I sure am not seeing it on the servers. All European servers are "normal" or higher at primetime.
Who said this game is doing badly?
Even us who are heavily criticizing the game for not being innovative and more CORPG (co-op RPG) than MMORPG were saying this game would sell very well.
What is interesting to see is where these servers will be at 1-2 months from now...
I would suggest you read the threads, rather than trying to stir more shit.
On the front page there is a thread about paying 15 bucks a month for game, and Amazon dropping the price....although they didnt drop the price. I dont know if you have said it, but how many times have we heard "everyone is quitting after the first month"?
BTW all NA servers tonight were at least at "normal" level as of 10:30 PM EST.
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It was 9 (or 10) AM in Germany/France and 8 (9) AM in England. Currently it's 11 AM in Germany.
Are you sector13? don't think so. The problem is trying to pass your assumptions and estimates as facts. That is your calculation but it is not a fact like the other guy likes to keep repeating.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Who gives a crap if you like it or not? Really? Why not just let those who enjoy playing it enjoy playing it, and those who dont, go and play something you do enjoy. Its not rocket science. What on earth is the point of trolling forums posting screenshots of servers, as though that somehow justifies your own dislike of one product in a sea of products.
Do you go to your local shops and stand there with a chart of sales figures for the day, shouting about how Pepsi is selling less than Coke this morning, and how everyone should stop drinking Pepsi *RIGHT NOW* and all drink Coke instead?
Do you live such an unexciting life, such an empty unfullfilled existance, such a lonely friend free time that you need to trawl internet forums looking to stir up some emotion from passing strangers who are simply enjoying a computer game?
If there is a game you like, go and play it! If there are no games - go and design one and try and get funding. If your too lazy to do either, go out for a nice walk and try and meet people. Although I suspect this will end badly once they realise how small minded and petty you are.
"When people don't know much about something, they tend to fill in the blanks the way they want them to be filled in. They are almost always disappointed." - Will Wright
So what are the facts?
You haven't posted any. You're not even posting estimates. You just have random nonsense.
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Meaning you don't know of any but you hope they exist. If you have some links to share that prove you right then by all means do share, I mean that is something that someone that knows they are right would do.
I mean only a troll would sit there and not back up anything he/she claims and then try and say that people are just to lazy to find the truth.
I mean I could go as cliche to say something like put up or shut up but we both know you wouldn't do either. Defeats the point of trolling.
I think you quoted the wrong person bro.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
See, there is one factor you are missing here, what fun would it be that you know what I know? It's more interesting to see your reactions that are exactly the same as WAR, AOC, and AION. The fact that you assume that calling me a troll bothers me just makes it all the more silly like I am just going to throw all my information at you just cause you call me a generic internet name that people get wrong most of the time anyway.
No they didn't. I read in a gaming magazine about 2/3 of the sale price from a game goes to the retailer.
Plus Lucasarts takes a share as well.
It's more like $10-$15 per copy, perhaps even less.
You mean just how you throw generic 'fanbois' at others in every post? time for pot to say hi to kettle me thinks. ;p
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
Who said this game is doing badly?
Even us who are heavily criticizing the game for not being innovative and more CORPG (co-op RPG) than MMORPG were saying this game would sell very well.
What is interesting to see is where these servers will be at 1-2 months from now...
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OOPS! Haha, I am really sorry about that. You are right.
This argument just got real confusing with the names and quotes and replies. Ha, It was Sector13 who said the game didn't make half of it's money back.
I just got really confused on this one. Sorry about that!
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Open recruitment for
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Planetside 2 - Terran Republic
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http://www.shadowshand.com
Yesterday when I looked at around 21:00 GMT+1 there were about 45 full servers in US and 45 full servers in EU. There were 2 light servers in EU and none in the US. There were far more Very Heavy servers in the US than in the EU, but a large amount of Heavy and Standard on both continents as well.
Not exactly the same analogy but whatever makes you feel smarter.
No it is the same because both are as generic as you can get when trying to shoot down other's opinions. You do it all the time.
I do feel pretty smart because i don't post server status in middle of the day to claim 'game isn't doing well'.
*chuckles*
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yeap, cause no one works 2nd or 3rd shift. Everyone works 9 to 5 and only plays games in a certain time frame. Yeap, that is pretty smart of you. lol
Ok, first of all, LucasArts is not taking their cut until EA recoups it's costs. That's just the way these things work.
Second, if you look at my numbers, even just the ones you quoted, you will see that I put a range there. 40-60 million dollars. If they got an average of 60 dollars for every box sale, a million sales would be 60 million dollars. I realize that they don't, which is why I put 40 - 60 million.
The only reason I included the 60 million, is because of CE and DDE sales. You have to remember, they've already sold timecards as well. This is garunteed subscription revenue.
So going with the lowball number that i posted (you say 2/3 for retail box copies) lets do some very basic math.
40 million dollars, divided by 60 million is 2/3. This is exactly the number that you just posted.
Digital sales on origin are much higher revenue (probably close to 100%) than box sales. This would increase the average revenue to over $40 dollars per copy.
Collectors editions cost $150 dollars and digital deluxe edition costs $80 dollars. These both bring the average revenue they have made so far up.
There is no telling what number of timecards have been sold, but this adds to revenue.
Basically what happened here is this, I gave you very lowball numbers. My lowest number is EXACTLY 2/3 of retail price for EVERY copy of the game sold, retail or digital. This is obviously too low when you consider the other factors I just listed.
Like I said, Lucas will get his cut out of the profits, either that or they're getting a flat fee. I can pretty much garuntee that Lucas isn't taking a flat liscensing fee on this one. They went for the profit.
Basic math. I can do it.
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Well, less people do play at weird hours. That should be obvious. That's why they are called peak times.....the majority...that's...that's when they play. I....
You know what? nevermind
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Technically, alls it proves is that I am wasting my time on a gaming forum cause I got nothing better to do at 5:44 in the morning but ok.
The actual breakdown is usually like this.........
Developer - $15
Publisher - $20
Licensing - $10
Retailer - $12
Manufacturing and Distribution - $3
No one other than EA/BW knows the exact number, it is not about exact numbers it is just to show with very generous figures (with a bit of common sense you know the production cost of the game are well beyond 120M$ and that they don't get 60$ per sold copy) that based on BWs statement it is impossible for them to have made a profit from launch.
I won't say they wont make a profit in the long run, no doubt there will be an exodus after the 'free' month but there is a large enough fanbase (including me as I am only level23 and won't get to finish the story before my free month is up) that will subscribe to make it a healthy game and in the end a profit for BW.
Ps. You quoted the wrong guy
Continued posting on a game forum would say that sure, but focusing all your time on the single task of trying to convienve people on the internet that you know what your talking about is another matter all together.
But sure since I'm losing interest I'll concede the point.
Let's cut out the personal attacks guys. Thanks.
on eu side at one point there was not many player and ton on the us side for some reason bio or ea had issue processingall those demand !it is starting to cool(but for the the wrong reason)they re waiting for the rush to cool down so their entry can be processed and last time i checked eu was on par with us!(yes that make a fair number of player)with the week i expect the freaking backlog and all verious issue should quiet down !
I would suggest you read the threads, rather than trying to stir more shit.
On the front page there is a thread about paying 15 bucks a month for game, and Amazon dropping the price....although they didnt drop the price. I dont know if you have said it, but how many times have we heard "everyone is quitting after the first month"?
BTW all NA servers tonight were at least at "normal" level as of 10:30 PM EST.
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