As soon as they charge money for access it is fair to judge it.
My answer before actually does addres your second question. I obviously recognise the source as valid (independant in this case), it's agenda (to clearly inform), and consider it educated (based on real extended play and not just <10 hours plus an EA press release).
There is no agenda behind professional reviews and thats where you... /snip
ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
As soon as they charge money for access it is fair to judge it.
My answer before actually does addres your second question. I obviously recognise the source as valid (independant in this case), it's agenda (to clearly inform), and consider it educated (based on real extended play and not just <10 hours plus an EA press release).
There is no agenda behind professional reviews and thats where you... /snip
ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
You can have the last word
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
As soon as they charge money for access it is fair to judge it.
My answer before actually does addres your second question. I obviously recognise the source as valid (independant in this case), it's agenda (to clearly inform), and consider it educated (based on real extended play and not just <10 hours plus an EA press release).
There is no agenda behind professional reviews and thats where you... /snip
ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
You can have the last word
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
hehe ok, seeing as you asked a direct question, I will answer.
No, I judge every review, good or bad, on pretty much the criteria I have stated already.
TBH, personally I don't actually pay that much attention to reviews from anyone but my friends when it comes to actually buying a game. I do enjoy watching how the industry rolls out it's hype and promotion when a huge game like this is launched though.
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
I think it's a common sense by now that major site reviews are paid and serve as nothing more than another way for developers to promote their games. Besides, reading such reviews and playing the game by yourself should make it clear how dishonest and missleading those reviews often are, no?
Like the review, kind of what I feel. Amazing F2P game, poor P2P game... and just feels like wasted effort. They could of done so much and yet they just seemed to want to use this as a money sink for people so they can rake in profits. Almost makes me wonder if they just inflated the 'cost' of the game in hopes of it being yet another thing to attract people, those costs spent being on other unrelated things for the company that were tossed in to boost the number.
As soon as they charge money for access it is fair to judge it.
My answer before actually does addres your second question. I obviously recognise the source as valid (independant in this case), it's agenda (to clearly inform), and consider it educated (based on real extended play and not just <10 hours plus an EA press release).
There is no agenda behind professional reviews and thats where you... /snip
ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
You can have the last word
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
TBH, personally I don't actually pay that much attention to reviews from anyone but my friends when it comes to actually buying a game.
Forgive me if I consider this complete BS after reading some of your history.
You seem to have made up your mind about SWTOR a long time ago, long as in Months prior to realease.
Its fine IMO that you do not like the game. But its idiotic to say that reviews are only "honest" and "itellegent" if they come from your friend or some random guy on the internet.
I felt like this video was presented well in most areas, and I agree with a decent amount of the negative...Related observations of my own:
1/18 Patch Notes: All Bonus Series missions and their required missions can now be abandoned.
As mentioned in the review...I have some missions, not being Bonus Series ones, which I can not abandon. One is a level 25 return to Nar Shaddaa (returned and began Bonus Series before getting this in Fleet) and I really don't feel like heading back yet again to chat with someone...oh wait this is a "bonus series" quest, one that initiates them at least
And while on on this topic, Nar Shaddaa actually has a decent amount of more walkable space in the Bonus Series...Can't believe you didn't comment on the crazy bonus series, did you play those?
Haha I made a report on Clones in Beta and commented on how they should try and make them more differant...While on Clones, on Coruscant you can actually get the line heading into a Cantina to scatter (If you attack the bouncer), why is this pretty much a one time thing?
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
I think it's a common sense by now that major site reviews are paid and serve as nothing more than another way for developers to promote their games.
You're kidding right?
As for the rest, No it just reminds me how burned out your people are on WoW like themepark MMOs, once again its not a bad thing.
how do you think these sites make there money? advteristing from big companies like EA.. you really think this doesn't influence scores? go to metacritic and look up warhammer online and read the big site reviews on that one and tell me these scores aren't "bought" ... anyway it's fine you think this is the best game ever yet no one ever brings up any video evidence to back up there claims... sort of like if I was holding an apple right up to your face telling you its an apple yet you insisted it was an orange.. now you pull out some evidence its an orange I may rethink my observation of what I'm holding.... my point is I play the game and the points he makes in are so obviously and stick out so much how can you sit there and deny them???? maybe they don't bother you very much but obviously they do bother a lot of people and some of these things are really game breaking to many people. He doesn't even cover some of the worst aspects of the game like PVP...
My two (or two hundred) cents on whether or not reviewers are bought.
I have been duped by plenty of good reviews and have often wondered why some of the worst games I have ever played were so well reviewed by the industry. I've never been one to think, "They're all paid off," and have assumed instead that it's more of a group-think mentality that so often influences the media. Having done a review now, my thinking on this issue has changed dramatically.
I was all excited when I posted my first look at swtor. I naively thought that a quality video after a lot of gameplay would be well received and I was looking forward to getting a lot of new viewers to my channel. Within the first 24 hours I had more dislikes on that video than on all others combined. It was something like 34 dislikes to 5 likes. And I was getting destroyed. The video was crushed here at mmorpg.com, as well. Looking back at the thread I see that there are a lot more positive comments than I remembered, probably because I was so astounded at the negativity. I was stupid. I was biased. I was a liar. I was an idiot for thinking I could have an opinion on a game after 10 levels. I have a terribly annoying voice. (Actually, I found this one a bit funny. My favorite was the person that called me Artie Ziff. Gave me a good, long laugh.) I had to start monitoring my youtube channel by the hour just so I could delete posts that were laced with foul language or homophobic slurs. I have nephews who actually watch my videos from time to time and they don't need to be reading that their uncle is a ***** *****.
So I totally get it now. I'm not saying that game companies have not or would not buy reviewers. I'm just saying that they don't have to. The best way to get people really upset with you is to bash a highly anticipated game before it's released. Even in the first few weeks of release you run a risk. If my job is to sell magazines or bring people to my website so I can get more money for my banner ads, why on earth would I be putting up reviews that get all my readers ticked off at me on a regular basis? Especially when there are going to be so many people that actually like the game anyway! Anyone who likes my positive review will read the next one. Anyone who dislikes my positive review might still read my next one. That isn't necessarily true the other way around.
A final thought. Review sites and magazines rely on game companies giving them access pre-launch. Let's just say that each of my videos brought in 100k views. Do you think that Bioware, after seeing my swtor review, would ever give me access to one of their games pre-launch? Not a chance. If I had a review site, how could I maintain a good readership if it consistantly took me until a week after launch just to put together a first look because companies wouldn't let me touch their game before-hand?
Bad reviews are bad business. Plain and simple.
Of course, none of this explains swtor earning game of the year awards. Really? You couldn't have dropped swtor into next year's award nominations instead? Some of these awards were granted 1 week after launch which means they were likely chosen before swtor actually was released. If that's not a decision made for the sole purpose of selling more magazines / getting more banner ad dollars I don't know what is.
A final thought. Review sites and magazines rely on game companies giving them access pre-launch. Let's just say that each of my videos brought in 100k views. Do you think that Bioware, after seeing my swtor review, would ever give me access to one of their games pre-launch? Not a chance. If I had a review site, how could I maintain a good readership if it consistantly took me until a week after launch just to put together a first look because companies wouldn't let me touch their game before-hand?
Bad reviews are bad business. Plain and simple.
There is actually some controversy over some reviewers being put on some kind of reviewers blacklist, so that certain game companies know not to give them free early copies of their games. I only heard from this video regarding Duke Nukem, and decided to look into it further.
A final thought. Review sites and magazines rely on game companies giving them access pre-launch. Let's just say that each of my videos brought in 100k views. Do you think that Bioware, after seeing my swtor review, would ever give me access to one of their games pre-launch? Not a chance. If I had a review site, how could I maintain a good readership if it consistantly took me until a week after launch just to put together a first look because companies wouldn't let me touch their game before-hand?
Bad reviews are bad business. Plain and simple.
There is actually some controversy over some reviewers being put on some kind of reviewers blacklist, so that certain game companies know not to give them free early copies of their games. I only heard from this video regarding Duke Nukem, and decided to look into it further.
Is this a controversy? Why would Bioware, or any company, not black-list a reviewer that had a history of giving them bad reviews? Why would they want their game subject to a good trashing before launch, especially if that trashing was sent out to 100k readers? If a movie studio thinks its movie will get panned it won't be screened for film critics. That's just the way it works.
As soon as they charge money for access it is fair to judge it.
My answer before actually does addres your second question. I obviously recognise the source as valid (independant in this case), it's agenda (to clearly inform), and consider it educated (based on real extended play and not just <10 hours plus an EA press release).
There is no agenda behind professional reviews and thats where you... /snip
ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
You can have the last word
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
TBH, personally I don't actually pay that much attention to reviews from anyone but my friends when it comes to actually buying a game.
Forgive me if I consider this complete BS after reading some of your history.
So aggressive....
You seem to have made up your mind about SWTOR a long time ago, long as in Months prior to realease.
Yep, I was in extended beta for the game. I played for over a month.
This was why I was labelled 'hater' and 'troll' a lot on the SWTOR forum prior tolaunch... because I stated what pretty much everyone else is stating now.
Its fine IMO that you do not like the game. But its idiotic to say that reviews are only "honest" and "itellegent" if they come from your friend or some random guy on the internet.
Calling others idiotic when you seem to have failed to understand whats being said...
'Or some random guy on the internet'? I actually said just my friends. The rest I pay attention to just because I like watching how this stuff is hyped and shilled. Just morbid facination really.
And did I say my friends were necessarily honest or intelligent? lol no.. there are times they can be neither, just like the rest of us, but I have known them for years and I know where they are coming from with their tastes and views and can weigh what they say accordingly. I have friends that loves some games I hate and so if he recommends one I usually avoid it until I get back up, as an example.
A final thought. Review sites and magazines rely on game companies giving them access pre-launch. Let's just say that each of my videos brought in 100k views. Do you think that Bioware, after seeing my swtor review, would ever give me access to one of their games pre-launch? Not a chance. If I had a review site, how could I maintain a good readership if it consistantly took me until a week after launch just to put together a first look because companies wouldn't let me touch their game before-hand?
Bad reviews are bad business. Plain and simple.
If anything the reviews like Duke Nukem prove you 100% wrong.
As far as advertising goes Bioware/EA would have more to lose if they lost the ad spots to some major gaming websites then those websites have to gain.
It can't in no way shape or form be about money because and here is the shocker, TOR isn't the only game out right now thats new and needs advertisement.
I also find that the only negative thing that one can say about this game is the broken (yet stil present none the less) endgame content and a few bugs. And I believe many, like myself over look theses things because they are generally fixed if the game, like TOR, doesn't have too many game dystroying bugs or large amounts of missing content.
As soon as they charge money for access it is fair to judge it.
My answer before actually does addres your second question. I obviously recognise the source as valid (independant in this case), it's agenda (to clearly inform), and consider it educated (based on real extended play and not just <10 hours plus an EA press release).
There is no agenda behind professional reviews and thats where you... /snip
ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
You can have the last word
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
TBH, personally I don't actually pay that much attention to reviews from anyone but my friends when it comes to actually buying a game.
Forgive me if I consider this complete BS after reading some of your history.
So aggressive....
You seem to have made up your mind about SWTOR a long time ago, long as in Months prior to realease.
Yep, I was in extended beta for the game. I played for over a month.
This was why I was labelled 'hater' and 'troll' a lot on the SWTOR forum prior tolaunch... because I stated what pretty much everyone else is stating now.
So you're saying the games great but could use a few bug fixes and content updates? You know like everyone else.
Its fine IMO that you do not like the game. But its idiotic to say that reviews are only "honest" and "itellegent" if they come from your friend or some random guy on the internet.
Calling others idiotic when you seem to have failed to understand whats being said...
'Or some random guy on the internet'? I actually said just my friends. The rest I pay attention to just because I like watching how this stuff is hyped and shilled. Just morbid facination really.
And yet you called this review honest. And unless your friends were in beta you came to your own conclution about the game long ago. And dissing shows you don't watch (So to speak) makes you come off as a bit of a hater. I really hate using the term but it seems that when ever there is a negative thread or review on SWTOR you seem to always be right there agreeing with it.
A final thought. Review sites and magazines rely on game companies giving them access pre-launch. Let's just say that each of my videos brought in 100k views. Do you think that Bioware, after seeing my swtor review, would ever give me access to one of their games pre-launch? Not a chance. If I had a review site, how could I maintain a good readership if it consistantly took me until a week after launch just to put together a first look because companies wouldn't let me touch their game before-hand?
Bad reviews are bad business. Plain and simple.
If anything the reviews like Duke Nukem prove you 100% wrong.
As far as advertising goes Bioware/EA would have more to lose if they lost the ad spots to some major gaming websites then those websites have to gain.
It can't in no way shape or form be about money because and here is the shocker, TOR isn't the only game out right now thats new and needs advertisement.
I also find that the only negative thing that one can say about this game is the broken (yet stil present none the less) endgame content and a few bugs. And I believe many, like myself over look theses things because they are generally fixed if the game, like TOR, doesn't have too many game dystroying bugs or large amounts of missing content.
ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review? I can't see how peopel can defend the class system its horrible.. the talent trees are a joke there's no customization at all you are basically stuck going down one tree and putting a couple leftover points in first tier of the other trees. They have the stupid stances and ammo types and such in half the talents in the trees making it pointless to hybrid for the most part... then you only get 2-3 actual skills from the trees which makes cusomization even worse... honestly to me this is the worst part of the game by far.
ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review?
WAR was a fun game, but the lack of entire classes and other content tend to bog it down.
ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review?
WAR was a fun game, but the lack of entire classes and other content tend to bog it down.
TORs content is bugged not missing IMO.
so you agree then TOR and Warhammer are on equal footing and deserve equal reviews from all these big name game review sites? also I edited my last post adding couple more comments
ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review?
WAR was a fun game, but the lack of entire classes and other content tend to bog it down.
TORs content is bugged not missing IMO.
so you agree then TOR and Warhammer are on equal footing and deserve equal reviews from all these big name game review sites? also I edited my last post adding couple more comments
I think Bioware did a far better job over all with bugs and content then Mythic did.
Mythics biggiest blunder was class balance (Bright wizards anyone?) and well missing classes bugs and miss management of other things. WAR on paper and a little bit into practice was a great game.
TOR avoids the bugs that matter to me at least, and unlike WAR the Story gave me a refreshing break from the go collect x quest and made the story important, while at least in TOR the endgame content is acceptable.
Can't really argue with an opinion for the other comments you made. They aren't umblanaced or anything and it seem that you just don't like it.
ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review?
WAR was a fun game, but the lack of entire classes and other content tend to bog it down.
TORs content is bugged not missing IMO.
so you agree then TOR and Warhammer are on equal footing and deserve equal reviews from all these big name game review sites? also I edited my last post adding couple more comments
I think Bioware did a far better job over all with bugs and content then Mythic did.
Mythics biggiest blunder was class balance (Bright wizards anyone?) and well missing classes bugs and miss management of other things. WAR on paper and a little bit into practice was a great game.
TOR avoids the bugs that matter to me at least, and unlike WAR the Story gave me a refreshing break from the go collect x quest and made the story important, while at least in TOR the endgame content is acceptable.
Can't really argue with an opinion for the other comments you made. They aren't umblanaced or anything and it seem that you just don't like it.
lol they ARE umbalanced you obviously haven't played high level PVP its a joke.. and considering how few classes there are its amazing they couldn't actually balance the game. Go to the official forums and look at the pvp forums and see how happy people are about class balance non-stealth melee is at a HUGE disadvantage compared to ranged classes. Also I still find it amazing everyone who defends this game can never give an reasons or examples other that "well it's my opinion it's just awsome" and that's it can't give examples or anything.. yet people who talk negative can give examples can give video and can actually have discussion about this stuff and how they feel it could be better. Yet people who see NOTHING wrong with this game somehow can never say anything but "to me it's great". It's fine if you feel you don't need ot defend your reasons why you love the game but why criticise other people who don't feel this is the best game ever and don't just say that, they actually spend the time to come up with video and actual arguments to why they feel this way.
Wrong about the SI story at the 18 minute mark, the weather on Dromund Kaas which was changed in beta, the space combat rewards, completely wrong about ambient sound, and partly wrong about the quests.You further state that you have to kill every mob on the way back from a quest, but make no mention of fast travel, which I always use to skip the trip back entirely.
Nice beta footage.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of the complaints: regurgitated dialogue being chief among them. I never noticed the "clone" issue before though, lol.
PS: Also completely wrong about changing companions.
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ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review?
WAR was a fun game, but the lack of entire classes and other content tend to bog it down.
TORs content is bugged not missing IMO.
so you agree then TOR and Warhammer are on equal footing and deserve equal reviews from all these big name game review sites? also I edited my last post adding couple more comments
I think Bioware did a far better job over all with bugs and content then Mythic did.
Mythics biggiest blunder was class balance (Bright wizards anyone?) and well missing classes bugs and miss management of other things. WAR on paper and a little bit into practice was a great game.
TOR avoids the bugs that matter to me at least, and unlike WAR the Story gave me a refreshing break from the go collect x quest and made the story important, while at least in TOR the endgame content is acceptable.
Can't really argue with an opinion for the other comments you made. They aren't umblanaced or anything and it seem that you just don't like it.
Also I still find it amazing everyone who defends this game can never give an reasons or examples other that "well it's my opinion it's just awsome" and that's it can't give examples or anything.. yet people who talk negative can give examples can give video and can actually have discussion about this stuff and how they feel it could be better.
The Willfully Blind: Yes, these exist in Hate Dumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in Fan Dumb, the Hate Dumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to Hand Wave the strengths because they do not exist. They are prone to Accentuate the Negative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that — usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss only the parts they know and can't stand. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or any weaknesses.
Tv Tropes aplies to everything.
I can list off a ton of things I think this game (Story, world design, classes ect) is doing right and I could also list off a lot of things that it does wrong (No dungeon finder a few endgames bugs ect).
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ok, this is where we should leave this I think. It's obvious that we have a very different understanding of how this industry works and are very unlikely to agree.
You can have the last word
So you just chose to ignore any review from a major site that disagrees with your opinion?
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Great review. Sad part is BW and EA will earn a lot of money on this game regardless.
hehe ok, seeing as you asked a direct question, I will answer.
No, I judge every review, good or bad, on pretty much the criteria I have stated already.
TBH, personally I don't actually pay that much attention to reviews from anyone but my friends when it comes to actually buying a game. I do enjoy watching how the industry rolls out it's hype and promotion when a huge game like this is launched though.
I think it's a common sense by now that major site reviews are paid and serve as nothing more than another way for developers to promote their games. Besides, reading such reviews and playing the game by yourself should make it clear how dishonest and missleading those reviews often are, no?
Kinda like the review
1. You can change how your companions lok. Link whit guide: http://www.swtor-spy.com/guides/swtor-companion-appearance-customization/516/ Whit all of them:D
2.8 quests is nothing, had 20quests at 50.. im stil to lasy to get rid of em:P
But me, im loving it:D more funn then in, aion, rift, FF14. and when i get bored, il runn back to BF3 and WOT:D
I WANT A SCI-FI MMO!! (NOT EVE, or Fom, or FE)
Like the review, kind of what I feel. Amazing F2P game, poor P2P game... and just feels like wasted effort. They could of done so much and yet they just seemed to want to use this as a money sink for people so they can rake in profits. Almost makes me wonder if they just inflated the 'cost' of the game in hopes of it being yet another thing to attract people, those costs spent being on other unrelated things for the company that were tossed in to boost the number.
Forgive me if I consider this complete BS after reading some of your history.
You seem to have made up your mind about SWTOR a long time ago, long as in Months prior to realease.
Its fine IMO that you do not like the game. But its idiotic to say that reviews are only "honest" and "itellegent" if they come from your friend or some random guy on the internet.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I felt like this video was presented well in most areas, and I agree with a decent amount of the negative...Related observations of my own:
1/18 Patch Notes: All Bonus Series missions and their required missions can now be abandoned.
As mentioned in the review...I have some missions, not being Bonus Series ones, which I can not abandon. One is a level 25 return to Nar Shaddaa (returned and began Bonus Series before getting this in Fleet) and I really don't feel like heading back yet again to chat with someone...oh wait this is a "bonus series" quest, one that initiates them at least
And while on on this topic, Nar Shaddaa actually has a decent amount of more walkable space in the Bonus Series...Can't believe you didn't comment on the crazy bonus series, did you play those?
Haha I made a report on Clones in Beta and commented on how they should try and make them more differant...While on Clones, on Coruscant you can actually get the line heading into a Cantina to scatter (If you attack the bouncer), why is this pretty much a one time thing?
You're kidding right?
As for the rest, No it just reminds me how burned out your people are on WoW like themepark MMOs, once again its not a bad thing.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
how do you think these sites make there money? advteristing from big companies like EA.. you really think this doesn't influence scores? go to metacritic and look up warhammer online and read the big site reviews on that one and tell me these scores aren't "bought" ... anyway it's fine you think this is the best game ever yet no one ever brings up any video evidence to back up there claims... sort of like if I was holding an apple right up to your face telling you its an apple yet you insisted it was an orange.. now you pull out some evidence its an orange I may rethink my observation of what I'm holding.... my point is I play the game and the points he makes in are so obviously and stick out so much how can you sit there and deny them???? maybe they don't bother you very much but obviously they do bother a lot of people and some of these things are really game breaking to many people. He doesn't even cover some of the worst aspects of the game like PVP...
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
My two (or two hundred) cents on whether or not reviewers are bought.
I have been duped by plenty of good reviews and have often wondered why some of the worst games I have ever played were so well reviewed by the industry. I've never been one to think, "They're all paid off," and have assumed instead that it's more of a group-think mentality that so often influences the media. Having done a review now, my thinking on this issue has changed dramatically.
I was all excited when I posted my first look at swtor. I naively thought that a quality video after a lot of gameplay would be well received and I was looking forward to getting a lot of new viewers to my channel. Within the first 24 hours I had more dislikes on that video than on all others combined. It was something like 34 dislikes to 5 likes. And I was getting destroyed. The video was crushed here at mmorpg.com, as well. Looking back at the thread I see that there are a lot more positive comments than I remembered, probably because I was so astounded at the negativity. I was stupid. I was biased. I was a liar. I was an idiot for thinking I could have an opinion on a game after 10 levels. I have a terribly annoying voice. (Actually, I found this one a bit funny. My favorite was the person that called me Artie Ziff. Gave me a good, long laugh.) I had to start monitoring my youtube channel by the hour just so I could delete posts that were laced with foul language or homophobic slurs. I have nephews who actually watch my videos from time to time and they don't need to be reading that their uncle is a ***** *****.
So I totally get it now. I'm not saying that game companies have not or would not buy reviewers. I'm just saying that they don't have to. The best way to get people really upset with you is to bash a highly anticipated game before it's released. Even in the first few weeks of release you run a risk. If my job is to sell magazines or bring people to my website so I can get more money for my banner ads, why on earth would I be putting up reviews that get all my readers ticked off at me on a regular basis? Especially when there are going to be so many people that actually like the game anyway! Anyone who likes my positive review will read the next one. Anyone who dislikes my positive review might still read my next one. That isn't necessarily true the other way around.
A final thought. Review sites and magazines rely on game companies giving them access pre-launch. Let's just say that each of my videos brought in 100k views. Do you think that Bioware, after seeing my swtor review, would ever give me access to one of their games pre-launch? Not a chance. If I had a review site, how could I maintain a good readership if it consistantly took me until a week after launch just to put together a first look because companies wouldn't let me touch their game before-hand?
Bad reviews are bad business. Plain and simple.
Of course, none of this explains swtor earning game of the year awards. Really? You couldn't have dropped swtor into next year's award nominations instead? Some of these awards were granted 1 week after launch which means they were likely chosen before swtor actually was released. If that's not a decision made for the sole purpose of selling more magazines / getting more banner ad dollars I don't know what is.
*sorry for the wall of text!
edit for clarity
http://www.youtube.com/flymolo
There is actually some controversy over some reviewers being put on some kind of reviewers blacklist, so that certain game companies know not to give them free early copies of their games. I only heard from this video regarding Duke Nukem, and decided to look into it further.
Is this a controversy? Why would Bioware, or any company, not black-list a reviewer that had a history of giving them bad reviews? Why would they want their game subject to a good trashing before launch, especially if that trashing was sent out to 100k readers? If a movie studio thinks its movie will get panned it won't be screened for film critics. That's just the way it works.
http://www.youtube.com/flymolo
If anything the reviews like Duke Nukem prove you 100% wrong.
As far as advertising goes Bioware/EA would have more to lose if they lost the ad spots to some major gaming websites then those websites have to gain.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ign.com
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/mmorpg.com
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamespy.com
It can't in no way shape or form be about money because and here is the shocker, TOR isn't the only game out right now thats new and needs advertisement.
I also find that the only negative thing that one can say about this game is the broken (yet stil present none the less) endgame content and a few bugs. And I believe many, like myself over look theses things because they are generally fixed if the game, like TOR, doesn't have too many game dystroying bugs or large amounts of missing content.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
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I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
ok so explain to me how warhammer online got pretty much same overall score as TOR also how can you only say the only issues this game has is endgame issues... I mean wow did you even watch this review? I can't see how peopel can defend the class system its horrible.. the talent trees are a joke there's no customization at all you are basically stuck going down one tree and putting a couple leftover points in first tier of the other trees. They have the stupid stances and ammo types and such in half the talents in the trees making it pointless to hybrid for the most part... then you only get 2-3 actual skills from the trees which makes cusomization even worse... honestly to me this is the worst part of the game by far.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
WAR was a fun game, but the lack of entire classes and other content tend to bog it down.
TORs content is bugged not missing IMO.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
so you agree then TOR and Warhammer are on equal footing and deserve equal reviews from all these big name game review sites? also I edited my last post adding couple more comments
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I think Bioware did a far better job over all with bugs and content then Mythic did.
Mythics biggiest blunder was class balance (Bright wizards anyone?) and well missing classes bugs and miss management of other things. WAR on paper and a little bit into practice was a great game.
TOR avoids the bugs that matter to me at least, and unlike WAR the Story gave me a refreshing break from the go collect x quest and made the story important, while at least in TOR the endgame content is acceptable.
Can't really argue with an opinion for the other comments you made. They aren't umblanaced or anything and it seem that you just don't like it.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
lol they ARE umbalanced you obviously haven't played high level PVP its a joke.. and considering how few classes there are its amazing they couldn't actually balance the game. Go to the official forums and look at the pvp forums and see how happy people are about class balance non-stealth melee is at a HUGE disadvantage compared to ranged classes. Also I still find it amazing everyone who defends this game can never give an reasons or examples other that "well it's my opinion it's just awsome" and that's it can't give examples or anything.. yet people who talk negative can give examples can give video and can actually have discussion about this stuff and how they feel it could be better. Yet people who see NOTHING wrong with this game somehow can never say anything but "to me it's great". It's fine if you feel you don't need ot defend your reasons why you love the game but why criticise other people who don't feel this is the best game ever and don't just say that, they actually spend the time to come up with video and actual arguments to why they feel this way.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Wrong about the SI story at the 18 minute mark, the weather on Dromund Kaas which was changed in beta, the space combat rewards, completely wrong about ambient sound, and partly wrong about the quests.You further state that you have to kill every mob on the way back from a quest, but make no mention of fast travel, which I always use to skip the trip back entirely.
Nice beta footage.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of the complaints: regurgitated dialogue being chief among them. I never noticed the "clone" issue before though, lol.
PS: Also completely wrong about changing companions.
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The Willfully Blind: Yes, these exist in Hate Dumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in Fan Dumb, the Hate Dumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to Hand Wave the strengths because they do not exist. They are prone to Accentuate the Negative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that — usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss only the parts they know and can't stand. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or any weaknesses.
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I can list off a ton of things I think this game (Story, world design, classes ect) is doing right and I could also list off a lot of things that it does wrong (No dungeon finder a few endgames bugs ect).
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.