These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee?
to be honest.. it sounds like he slapped his name on a bioware rep's explanantion of features and innovation that swtor provides... infact i'm pretty sure i heard all this during E3 last year... this isnt even a review... he's basically written an article based of swtors featureset... added in some "wide spread complaints" as cons and thrown in some high rez pictures that the game isnt even capable of "in game" slapped a 9 on it and collected a pay cheque
can you tell me what inovation swtor have? everything I saw during the game it was a copy of something already done, and most part the others did better then swtor.
so yeah most of reviews are bought or too much byased for anyone to belive, game faqs work a little better because even though its biased too for fanboy and haters, reading the fan boy and hater reviews, can give you aa idea what you would find and then see if worth your time and money.
metatric with some people loves I never really look at it
i was being sarcastic about innovation there is none... i was saying bioware claiming innovation.. not the game actually having it
"I call bullshit, you write up swtor's featureset, throw in some "widely known about community complaints", add some high rez pictures of which the game's current graphics isn't even capable of running at the moment if ever.. ignore the fact that they basically shipped a beta product, with broken client > server global cooldown communication and broken combat both were acknowledged with "fixes in the works" but considering combat is a fundamental part of an MMO should be kinda functional by the time the game gets released.. not to mention broken unit frames, no target of target.. no dual friendly / agressive target for raid healers... operations were horribly broken and considering I actually have a level 50 guardian and have experienced all of the raid content.. yes, the raid's were horribly broken.. not to mention a half decent group in blue gear could full clear EV in an hour max if t hey know what they're doing... besides dealing with operation breaking bugs that 1 shot you when you walk into a bosses room before you even engage him and the massive list of other problems in operations which yes are slowly getting fixed and the new bosses in kraggas actually aren't as bad end game there is basically nothing todo... I have my 3 rakata pieces from dailies no need todo them anymore.. I have all my crafted rakata gear no need for that anymore.. besides raiding and lackluster PvP the end game is boring as hell.. and trying to reroll alts... the story ain't that immersive to be honest and the planets just get repetetive and boring even with a whole new story...
this isn't a review at all and I'd be really suprised if you had infact played anything past your level 10 smuggler, let alone 120 hours of gameplay and you didn't find any single bug."
just posted that as a facebook comment on his article link
I'm not only disturbed by the people that think that this game deserves a 9, but I'm disturbed by those that think the only problems with the game is how glitchy it is. That's really not the issue. The problem is at the rotten core of the game.
Simple as this. It calls itself an MMO, yet has almost no MMO features. That alone should make it have horrible reviews. It's like selling an FPS, except make the entire thing a platforming game. Worse, in this situation, because MMOs take monthly fees. So, its pretty clear that Bioware was going to make some kind of COOP Star Wars RPG, but decided it'd be better if they called it an MMO instead, so they could rake in the monthly fees from the casual muppets who don't know any better.
I like the game, but I agree with most that 9 is too high, even from the author's PoV. Nowhere in his commentary, other than "being more addicted to this than any other MMO", is there a "9", IMO.
"Once you’ve decided on a class and designed your character with the usual array of sliders and options,"...
I'd say that most MMO's have more options than TOR in this department. The only AAA MMO it bests in this regard is WoW.
Other than that, I agree with most of his points. AND on what he considers strong points in the game.
I am currently playing the game. I have a lvl 42 Sith Inquisitor. I am enjoying the game, but it doesn't deserve that high of a score. A 7.7, as Kyleran posted, is a fair assessment.
It will get many high reviews because of how solid of a single player like game it is early on. These are game companies giving an MMO a review this early on. We are smart enough as MMO players to take reviews like this with a grain of salt.
Of course it didn't. The bad writing, the short quests, the linear repetetive dungeons, the awful combat...
don't make me shoot you in the knee with an arrow
That meme alone drives me to the point of wanting to delete it from existence and just pretend Morrowind was the last Bethesda game.
If that was the worst about Skyrim id still give it a 9.
I'm just sick and tired of Bethesda releasing games that completely rely on the community to fix.
Out of the box Skyrim looks like molasses and plays like trying to ride a horse backwards.
Now if you install the mods that fix graphics, optimization, gameplay, content, interface and stability, then yeah you get a 9.0-10.0 game (depending on how generous you want to be).
And don't get me wrong, out of the box Skyrim is an ok game. But if i would imagine there would be no mods for it, id probably not play it at all for the shitty UI alone.
These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee? Judged as a singleplayer game, it deserves a 7 (the quests are padded, the combat is bad, nothing you do impacts the game world). Judged as an MMO it deserves a 6 (almost no multiplayer elements to speak of, broken PvP, little to no things to do at level cap).
MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released
I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore
Oh memories. How I remember buying the latest EGM and storing them, once done reading, in their little plastic wrapper. I had several years worth of them stacked and I did go back and read many of them once again or used as reference.
After they stopped printing I stopped following them. Several of the crew that I liked left the team and it just wasn't the same anymore.
These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee? Judged as a singleplayer game, it deserves a 7 (the quests are padded, the combat is bad, nothing you do impacts the game world). Judged as an MMO it deserves a 6 (almost no multiplayer elements to speak of, broken PvP, little to no things to do at level cap).
MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released
I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore
Well...that's because it was a mess. And so heavily instanced it barely resembles an MMO. Kind of the same as SWTOR.
Games are starting to become just like EVERY major Hollywood movie when its comes to "Professional" (and I use that term very loosely) Reviews.
"BlahBlah Gives it 4 out of 5 Stars. Its the Breakout Hit of the Summer"
"Herpaderp Says- Best of the Year! 9/10!!"
They are nothing more than Paid Advertisements in the guise of Reviews.
The average person will read those reviews and say to themselves "Well if Herpaderp says its good....."
CHA-CHING! $$$$
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Lets be honest...most review them from 4 hours of play, a press release, and a phone call from the secret marketing department.
Well, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I must admit its kind of hard to do when most of these sites or mags give these ludicrous reviews.
I mean maybe in the short run it is effective, but does it really benefit anyone in the long term? Like some aren't going to be pissed when they rely on a reviewer or group of them and take their word that a game they're toting is that near perfection in every facet. Its ridiculous and I would imagine many of them that are disappointed end up judging things way more harshly than they would have if they were given a more realistic and objective review of the product.
In no means am I just referring to this game either. These places tended to do the same thing with some other mmos like AoC and Warhammer. Just blows the mind.
I mean we certainly are well versed in how this goes but it is a shame how this is used to essentially bamboozle those that haven't been around as long or may not have the time to evaluate things to the fullest on their own.
...and then people wonder why some end up having such a negative view of the game or the industry as a whole from the companies to the sites that review and provide information on them.
I think my favorite are the ones that give something game of the year before it even comes out yet or has been out for a couple weeks. I mean what the fuck...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
These reviews HAVE to be bought. If MMORPG.com is willing to fire a reviewer for giving this game the score it deserves... I can't see anyone giving this game a 9 with all the issues it has. Meanwhile, this website gives Ultima Online a 7... At least UO is an MMO. SWTOR... I don't know what it is... a Diablo game with a monthly fee? Judged as a singleplayer game, it deserves a 7 (the quests are padded, the combat is bad, nothing you do impacts the game world). Judged as an MMO it deserves a 6 (almost no multiplayer elements to speak of, broken PvP, little to no things to do at level cap).
MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released
I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore
I remember, on release, STO should have gotten around a 4.0 or so.
Stopped reading early on. At the point the reviewer says
Each class has a doppelganger on the other side of the fence, The coordinating classes are as follows: Jedi Knight/Sith Warrior, Jedi Conular/Sith Inquisitor, Smuggler/Bounty Hunter, and Trooper/Imperial Agent.
Figured they did not know what they were reviewing at this point...
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So how much ad revenue did they sell to EA after that?
i was being sarcastic about innovation there is none... i was saying bioware claiming innovation.. not the game actually having it
Side note
"I call bullshit, you write up swtor's featureset, throw in some "widely known about community complaints", add some high rez pictures of which the game's current graphics isn't even capable of running at the moment if ever.. ignore the fact that they basically shipped a beta product, with broken client > server global cooldown communication and broken combat both were acknowledged with "fixes in the works" but considering combat is a fundamental part of an MMO should be kinda functional by the time the game gets released.. not to mention broken unit frames, no target of target.. no dual friendly / agressive target for raid healers... operations were horribly broken and considering I actually have a level 50 guardian and have experienced all of the raid content.. yes, the raid's were horribly broken.. not to mention a half decent group in blue gear could full clear EV in an hour max if t hey know what they're doing... besides dealing with operation breaking bugs that 1 shot you when you walk into a bosses room before you even engage him and the massive list of other problems in operations which yes are slowly getting fixed and the new bosses in kraggas actually aren't as bad end game there is basically nothing todo... I have my 3 rakata pieces from dailies no need todo them anymore.. I have all my crafted rakata gear no need for that anymore.. besides raiding and lackluster PvP the end game is boring as hell.. and trying to reroll alts... the story ain't that immersive to be honest and the planets just get repetetive and boring even with a whole new story...
this isn't a review at all and I'd be really suprised if you had infact played anything past your level 10 smuggler, let alone 120 hours of gameplay and you didn't find any single bug."
just posted that as a facebook comment on his article link
Grats Swtor! Love your game.
I'm not only disturbed by the people that think that this game deserves a 9, but I'm disturbed by those that think the only problems with the game is how glitchy it is. That's really not the issue. The problem is at the rotten core of the game.
Simple as this. It calls itself an MMO, yet has almost no MMO features. That alone should make it have horrible reviews. It's like selling an FPS, except make the entire thing a platforming game. Worse, in this situation, because MMOs take monthly fees. So, its pretty clear that Bioware was going to make some kind of COOP Star Wars RPG, but decided it'd be better if they called it an MMO instead, so they could rake in the monthly fees from the casual muppets who don't know any better.
Darkfall Travelogues!
blasphemy!!!!!!!!!! Burn HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:P
but really i like SWTOR but i do think 9.0 is high as well.
I like the game, but I agree with most that 9 is too high, even from the author's PoV. Nowhere in his commentary, other than "being more addicted to this than any other MMO", is there a "9", IMO.
"Once you’ve decided on a class and designed your character with the usual array of sliders and options,"...
I'd say that most MMO's have more options than TOR in this department. The only AAA MMO it bests in this regard is WoW.
Other than that, I agree with most of his points. AND on what he considers strong points in the game.
Of course it didn't. The bad writing, the short quests, the linear repetetive dungeons, the awful combat...
Darkfall Travelogues!
don't make me shoot you in the knee with an arrow
I am currently playing the game. I have a lvl 42 Sith Inquisitor. I am enjoying the game, but it doesn't deserve that high of a score. A 7.7, as Kyleran posted, is a fair assessment.
That meme alone drives me to the point of wanting to delete it from existence and just pretend Morrowind was the last Bethesda game.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Key word is "gives", alot of handouts going on with SWTOR reviews which is fine if this game was a 2004 release.
It will get many high reviews because of how solid of a single player like game it is early on. These are game companies giving an MMO a review this early on. We are smart enough as MMO players to take reviews like this with a grain of salt.
If that was the worst about Skyrim id still give it a 9.
I'm just sick and tired of Bethesda releasing games that completely rely on the community to fix.
Out of the box Skyrim looks like molasses and plays like trying to ride a horse backwards.
Now if you install the mods that fix graphics, optimization, gameplay, content, interface and stability, then yeah you get a 9.0-10.0 game (depending on how generous you want to be).
And don't get me wrong, out of the box Skyrim is an ok game. But if i would imagine there would be no mods for it, id probably not play it at all for the shitty UI alone.
MMORPG.com gave Star Trek Online a 6.8 review when the game was first released
I dont think theres any really good website with clean reviews anymore
Oh memories. How I remember buying the latest EGM and storing them, once done reading, in their little plastic wrapper. I had several years worth of them stacked and I did go back and read many of them once again or used as reference.
After they stopped printing I stopped following them. Several of the crew that I liked left the team and it just wasn't the same anymore.
Well...that's because it was a mess. And so heavily instanced it barely resembles an MMO. Kind of the same as SWTOR.
Darkfall Travelogues!
This.
Those ridiculosely inflated "grades" in reviews stopped me to read them.
I still rememeber in 90's ties in my country there was this most popular gaming magazine.
9 /10 maybe 2 games per year got ,and I don't think there EVER was 10 / 10 at least in those years I actually bought and was reading this magazine.
No idea how it is atm ,but propably changed to giving 8-9 /10 to every non-indie game out there
Disgusting.
This is one of many examples of the progression of add dollars and the impact upon review sites.
Games are starting to become just like EVERY major Hollywood movie when its comes to "Professional" (and I use that term very loosely) Reviews.
"BlahBlah Gives it 4 out of 5 Stars. Its the Breakout Hit of the Summer"
"Herpaderp Says- Best of the Year! 9/10!!"
They are nothing more than Paid Advertisements in the guise of Reviews.
The average person will read those reviews and say to themselves "Well if Herpaderp says its good....."
CHA-CHING! $$$$
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Well, I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I must admit its kind of hard to do when most of these sites or mags give these ludicrous reviews.
I mean maybe in the short run it is effective, but does it really benefit anyone in the long term? Like some aren't going to be pissed when they rely on a reviewer or group of them and take their word that a game they're toting is that near perfection in every facet. Its ridiculous and I would imagine many of them that are disappointed end up judging things way more harshly than they would have if they were given a more realistic and objective review of the product.
In no means am I just referring to this game either. These places tended to do the same thing with some other mmos like AoC and Warhammer. Just blows the mind.
I mean we certainly are well versed in how this goes but it is a shame how this is used to essentially bamboozle those that haven't been around as long or may not have the time to evaluate things to the fullest on their own.
...and then people wonder why some end up having such a negative view of the game or the industry as a whole from the companies to the sites that review and provide information on them.
I think my favorite are the ones that give something game of the year before it even comes out yet or has been out for a couple weeks. I mean what the fuck...
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Not a chance. This game is a 7.5 at best, and someone is getting paid for giving marks as high as that.
I've been gaming more years than I can remember, and there has 'never' been a 10/10.
I remember, on release, STO should have gotten around a 4.0 or so.
Stopped reading early on. At the point the reviewer says
Each class has a doppelganger on the other side of the fence, The coordinating classes are as follows: Jedi Knight/Sith Warrior, Jedi Conular/Sith Inquisitor, Smuggler/Bounty Hunter, and Trooper/Imperial Agent.
Figured they did not know what they were reviewing at this point...