maybe they are too busy signing up for GW2 beta so they can clone World vs World. I seriously doubt they got Warhammer pvp dev consider there is nothing in Ilum resemble warhammer or daoc.
In all honesty they are from the WAR team, I don't make stuff up, you do know that BW owns WAR now correct?
Wait....I thought EA owned Warhammer, not Bioware. Bioware is under EA, right, not vice versa. Or have I misunderstood this entire corporate lah dee dah BS?
Just for the record, I'm still playing SWTOR, although I started after release. I think I've been playing a month and I subbed for 2 more months. My characters are 20 (Imp) and 27 (Pub), a Sith Sorcerer and a Republic Commando respectively. So I'm just taking my time with the story, not playing every day, and just enjoying the game for what it is. It's not, apparently, a PvP game. To me it seems more like a hybrid MMO/single player RPG. I'm enjoying the story, but most of the time I'm playing alone. I've only grouped 3 times, I think. I'm not a "fan" of SWTOR, but I'm, like I said, enjoying it for what it is. /shrug
What it is, is an incomplete game currenly being beta tested by paying customers.
Every single "issue" many people have, i reported 3-4 months before release, and i'm sure i'm not the only one.
Yet here we are.
Well it's mostly here that the majority of disgruntled kids hang and Bioware could give them each 200$ and a revamp of the game over night making it better than GW2 and they would'nt be happy. I rest my case, there is nothing i can do for them! So i say, i enjoy the game, so i wont let meself be bored by those who are "never pleased"
rofl check this out http://www.swtor.com/server-status 10 heavy 1 very heavy with 19 light lol and yet you tell us this game is not dying, dude 1 month ago they had 10 full 25 very heavy 25 heavy etc, get over yourself this game is dying I say Jim dying........
OP - If there is anything this thread should show you, it is that most people on this board will not give Bioware credit for ANYTHING they do right. They will only parrot negative comments and pat each other on the back for hating the new 'cool' hate target MMO.
That being said, I agree with you that Bioware has fixed some big issues with this patch. They have been addressing the bugs and other problems in a very timely manner in general so far and I peronally think they deserve a lot more credit than they will ever get on this particular forum.
Right, because a lot of the reactions have nothing to do with the obvious baiting the OP threw in there for good measure. Like it would be the least bit surprising people would shred his topic considering some of the comments he made.
...or are we simply going to ignore that portion and call out the responders like also seems to be the norm around here.
maybe they are too busy signing up for GW2 beta so they can clone World vs World. I seriously doubt they got Warhammer pvp dev consider there is nothing in Ilum resemble warhammer or daoc.
In all honesty they are from the WAR team, I don't make stuff up, you do know that BW owns WAR now correct?
Wait....I thought EA owned Warhammer, not Bioware. Bioware is under EA, right, not vice versa. Or have I misunderstood this entire corporate lah dee dah BS?
Bioware took over War from Mythic, not hard to do a search and find that
maybe they are too busy signing up for GW2 beta so they can clone World vs World. I seriously doubt they got Warhammer pvp dev consider there is nothing in Ilum resemble warhammer or daoc.
In all honesty they are from the WAR team, I don't make stuff up, you do know that BW owns WAR now correct?
Wait....I thought EA owned Warhammer, not Bioware. Bioware is under EA, right, not vice versa. Or have I misunderstood this entire corporate lah dee dah BS?
Bioware took over War from Mythic, not hard to do a search and find that
Oh well excuuuuuuuse me. Sorry to trouble you. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to answer me and chastise me. I feel complete now.
maybe they are too busy signing up for GW2 beta so they can clone World vs World. I seriously doubt they got Warhammer pvp dev consider there is nothing in Ilum resemble warhammer or daoc.
In all honesty they are from the WAR team, I don't make stuff up, you do know that BW owns WAR now correct?
Wait....I thought EA owned Warhammer, not Bioware. Bioware is under EA, right, not vice versa. Or have I misunderstood this entire corporate lah dee dah BS?
Bioware took over War from Mythic, not hard to do a search and find that
Oh well excuuuuuuuse me. Sorry to trouble you. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to answer me and chastise me. I feel complete now.
EA owns Bioware so I would think they also own Warhammer.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
Wiht today's patch they fixed the Warzone issue that saw people intentionally abusing an error and producing 12v8 warzones, and they fixed the ilum /stuck glitch that allowed people do rez where they died.
I know a lot of you guys hate bioware with a passion and think this game is the devils work, but you got to give credit where credit is due. They also implemented cooldown timers (multiple options) on the skill bars.
What are people going to complain about now?
I think there is a lot more things that would make PvP more fun in the game, but yeah, it is a start to fix this.
But the game is PvE focused like all Bioware games and people who like PvP focused games don´t like games like that, it is really not that strange.
I mean most people can easily admit that Slash are great on playing guitarr but that does not mean you like his music.
TOR really put in PvP as an alternative, not as the main game and some people like that others don´t. It would have been the same if the game was mainly PvP focused with a little PvP as well, some people would like it, others wouldn´t.
I personally think they should add some X-wing Vs tie fighter (or simimilar) PvP that is close to the battle of the deathstar in the first movie (the real first movie, not the Jar jar one). That would really add some cool PvP to the game.
ill give them credit for todays fixes but i will say this. They claimed not me them that they had the best pvp team and were going to be amazed by ilum. That was a flat out lie and im going to ask for an apology at comic con about that.
What happened in 1.1 happened 6 months ago on a daily basis in ilum and i said as much only when money was involved and a LARGE numbers of reps leaving did they do something.
Im convinced now more then ever that beta was just to get more people to pre order which they screwed themselves on top not sending out the boxed copies earlier lol
Ill give it 6 months but i have lost faith in the devs and james ohlen i think knows as much about the devs as john smedly did with his own swg devs which isnt saying much.
I can walk up to the ilum base and shoot 2 missiles by myself and pretend take the outside of the opposing teams base.
There was an in depth ilum revamp that a guild made that was up to like 3k views and not 1 dev comment or post that kin has now left the game as well
Open world pvp has been left in the dust there focusing on warzones 24/7 and same faction warzones due to development incompetence not making wookies/aliens as a playable race was a bad decision that pvp is paying for now.
Bioware just make A-net look better and better by the second. It's obvious that the same incompetent pvp team for WAR are now being incompetent on the swtor pvp team.
the main post said "give them credit where credit is due"
sooooo?
give them credit for not fixing buggs and exploits in the 1st time?
imo this is just someone doing their JOB and maybe should had been done or delt with prior to release...
mmhmmm credit is due to someone making money and didnt do their job right in the 1st place..but i guess you could argue that some games dont even go that far..but to each their own
Swtor fixed some bugs and now the game is good. If this game had an open beta its subscriber numbers would signifcially lower upon launch. Launching an unfinished game is never good for business but, if you keep it quiet fish will bite.
maybe they are too busy signing up for GW2 beta so they can clone World vs World. I seriously doubt they got Warhammer pvp dev consider there is nothing in Ilum resemble warhammer or daoc.
In all honesty they are from the WAR team, I don't make stuff up, you do know that BW owns WAR now correct?
Wait....I thought EA owned Warhammer, not Bioware. Bioware is under EA, right, not vice versa. Or have I misunderstood this entire corporate lah dee dah BS?
Bioware took over War from Mythic, not hard to do a search and find that
Oh well excuuuuuuuse me. Sorry to trouble you. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to answer me and chastise me. I feel complete now.
EA owns Bioware so I would think they also own Warhammer.
EXACTLY. He said Bioware owns Warhammer. EA owns Bioware AND Mythic from what I have understood, now....I may be wrong, but generally the company another corporation BUYS does not BECOME the same company as the one that bought them, unless that is the agreement. If EA were to buy Activision/Blizzard, would we then say Blizzard owns Mythic? That makes no sense. EA owns Mythic. I remember when that happened. I don't think it's appropriate to say that another company bought by EA owns Mythic.
Maybe I just misunderstood what that other poster was saying. /shrug Maybe I'm in error in remembering the buy out wrong. I don't remember BIOWARE buying Mythic. I DO remember EA's involvement.
On topic: I'm grateful for any improvements to SWTOR, but most won't affect me. I'm enjoying the game right now. However, I don't plan on playing past level 50. I'm making one Imperial and one Republic character and taking them both to 50 for the story. So far as I'm concerned, the game ends there. That's all I bought it for, so....I was planning that already.
i reported the exploit of having 2 additional players in warzone 2 months ago and they never ever banned those doing it despite me listing on my server names that chronically were involved in it, i report them every day for weeks till i got fed up and same guys came next day to continue it.
So 2 months to fix a bug that actually gave free wins wih no consequences is certainly no great work.
2 months to fix an exploit, sorry, but I do not see that as something to brag about....Oh well, I unssubbed, gotta quit kicking the wounded dog, just the topic was a little too in your face like they cured cancer....When all they did was take way too long to fix smaller things, things I would expect a hot patch to fix, if they are good...
I don't play Rift anymore either, don't like the direction, and it was too small/railed, but they are pretty competant, and fixed stuff like this in hot patches all the time, and thats Trion...an upstart...I know they got a lot of veteran talent, but can they out talent EA/BW that badly?
Right, because the boards were simply flooded about those two issues.
>_>
Glad they did fix them anyways.
There are only a few things people are complaining about 1) Illum (which they should it's pretty bad) and 2) people who rushed to 50 and are complaining how bored they are because they don't want to roll an alt.. Although part of that boredom is caused by how bad Illum is... If they can fix Illum and make it fun then that could fix a lot of the complaints...
As for people bored because the game is to much like WOW, well that's just the way it is and nothing is going to change now... If people feel that way they need to move on to another game and not camp the forums complaining about it by creating new posts about it every day.
I enjoy Bioware games, Mass Effect and Dragon Age games i played through multiple times so rolling alts on SWTOR is part of the fun for me.... If it's not your thing then move on...
Right, because the boards were simply flooded about those two issues.
>_>
Glad they did fix them anyways.
There are only a few things people are complaining about 1) Illum (which they should it's pretty bad) and 2) people who rushed to 50 and are complaining how bored they are because they don't want to roll an alt.. Although part of that boredom is caused by how bad Illum is... If they can fix Illum and make it fun then that could fix a lot of the complaints...
As for people bored because the game is to much like WOW, well that's just the way it is and nothing is going to change now... If people feel that way they need to move on to another game and not camp the forums complaining about it by creating new posts about it every day.
I enjoy Bioware games, Mass Effect and Dragon Age games i played through multiple times so rolling alts on SWTOR is part of the fun for me.... If it's not your thing then move on...
Heres the thing though as far as rolling alts goes. SWTOR's re-playability is miserable. Sure the class quests are "semi" different. Note I say semi because I am an alt-aholic and I was advancing a few characters a once and noted similiarities repeatly. Not only that the way they lay out the quests and the planets is such that they are so redundant that they are tedious at best.
At least with say WoW, I could start out in multiple different racial areas and advance to say 20 to 30th without much if any cross over. Even then once you hit the post 20 to 30th leveling areas there was typical a couple areas to advance per level bracket which kept it a bit more fresh then SWTOR.
Not only that but you had a full world, where you could go versus say for example Balmorra. Wow I was doing quests with my trooper there in his 30s and suddenly had major deja vu. Suddenly released the Republic outpost I was at was teh same place that my Sith warrior was also currently questing in but he was 20th. (blink blink) Oh I see what they did, they cut and paste and phased the same area twice and reskinned the npcs and names. Doh. So I could never run across that area cross faction. Wow, really? Talk about bad immersion design. I went and took out their space port on that planet with my trooper the same port that my Sith was currently operating out of and questing from. Just crappy crappy game design.
Basically you have to grind your teeth to force yourself to go on any of the worlds once you've done em once. They use so much cut and paste world design that is sad. Talk about lazy and greed walking hand in hand. I enjoy playing alts and exploring all areas of a game world, this is the first time ever that I couldnt bear to take a second character to cap, hell couldnt even stand to take a second character of the opposite faction to 30th! Bad bad game design. Don't even get me started on the other crappy design features.
Right, because the boards were simply flooded about those two issues.
>_>
Glad they did fix them anyways.
There are only a few things people are complaining about 1) Illum (which they should it's pretty bad) and 2) people who rushed to 50 and are complaining how bored they are because they don't want to roll an alt.. Although part of that boredom is caused by how bad Illum is... If they can fix Illum and make it fun then that could fix a lot of the complaints...
As for people bored because the game is to much like WOW, well that's just the way it is and nothing is going to change now... If people feel that way they need to move on to another game and not camp the forums complaining about it by creating new posts about it every day.
I enjoy Bioware games, Mass Effect and Dragon Age games i played through multiple times so rolling alts on SWTOR is part of the fun for me.... If it's not your thing then move on...
Heres the thing though as far as rolling alts goes. SWTOR's re-playability is miserable. Sure the class quests are "semi" different. Note I say semi because I am an alt-aholic and I was advancing a few characters a once and noted similiarities repeatly. Not only that the way they lay out the quests and the planets is such that they are so redundant that they are tedious at best.
At least with say WoW, I could start out in multiple different racial areas and advance to say 20 to 30th without much if any cross over. Even then once you hit the post 20 to 30th leveling areas there was typical a couple areas to advance per level bracket which kept it a bit more fresh then SWTOR.
Not only that but you had a full world, where you could go versus say for example Balmorra. Wow I was doing quests with my trooper there in his 30s and suddenly had major deja vu. Suddenly released the Republic outpost I was at was teh same place that my Sith warrior was also currently questing in but he was 20th. (blink blink) Oh I see what they did, they cut and paste and phased the same area twice and reskinned the npcs and names. Doh. So I could never run across that area cross faction. Wow, really? Talk about bad immersion design. I went and took out their space port on that planet with my trooper the same port that my Sith was currently operating out of and questing from. Just crappy crappy game design.
Basically you have to grind your teeth to force yourself to go on any of the worlds once you've done em once. They use so much cut and paste world design that is sad. Talk about lazy and greed walking hand in hand. I enjoy playing alts and exploring all areas of a game world, this is the first time ever that I couldnt bear to take a second character to cap, hell couldnt even stand to take a second character of the opposite faction to 30th! Bad bad game design. Don't even get me started on the other crappy design features.
I've tried to stay fairly neutral with posts about SWTOR, because I am, afterall, still playing it, and I'm enjoying it, for the most part, BUT......everything you said is true. I have a Republic Commando that is 26 or 27 and an Imperial Sorcerer that is 20 and ALREADY I'm seeing some of what you spoke of, such as the cut and paste "alikeness" of planets and zones and even things like, well....every single spaceport.
It really makes me sad. But I'm determined to get the story goodness out of the game, so....I'm going to continue as long as I can. I never planned to play "endgame" in this game, so at least I'm not disappointed by that. lol
Right, because the boards were simply flooded about those two issues.
>_>
Glad they did fix them anyways.
There are only a few things people are complaining about 1) Illum (which they should it's pretty bad) and 2) people who rushed to 50 and are complaining how bored they are because they don't want to roll an alt.. Although part of that boredom is caused by how bad Illum is... If they can fix Illum and make it fun then that could fix a lot of the complaints...
As for people bored because the game is to much like WOW, well that's just the way it is and nothing is going to change now... If people feel that way they need to move on to another game and not camp the forums complaining about it by creating new posts about it every day.
I enjoy Bioware games, Mass Effect and Dragon Age games i played through multiple times so rolling alts on SWTOR is part of the fun for me.... If it's not your thing then move on...
Heres the thing though as far as rolling alts goes. SWTOR's re-playability is miserable. Sure the class quests are "semi" different. Note I say semi because I am an alt-aholic and I was advancing a few characters a once and noted similiarities repeatly. Not only that the way they lay out the quests and the planets is such that they are so redundant that they are tedious at best.
At least with say WoW, I could start out in multiple different racial areas and advance to say 20 to 30th without much if any cross over. Even then once you hit the post 20 to 30th leveling areas there was typical a couple areas to advance per level bracket which kept it a bit more fresh then SWTOR.
Not only that but you had a full world, where you could go versus say for example Balmorra. Wow I was doing quests with my trooper there in his 30s and suddenly had major deja vu. Suddenly released the Republic outpost I was at was teh same place that my Sith warrior was also currently questing in but he was 20th. (blink blink) Oh I see what they did, they cut and paste and phased the same area twice and reskinned the npcs and names. Doh. So I could never run across that area cross faction. Wow, really? Talk about bad immersion design. I went and took out their space port on that planet with my trooper the same port that my Sith was currently operating out of and questing from. Just crappy crappy game design.
Basically you have to grind your teeth to force yourself to go on any of the worlds once you've done em once. They use so much cut and paste world design that is sad. Talk about lazy and greed walking hand in hand. I enjoy playing alts and exploring all areas of a game world, this is the first time ever that I couldnt bear to take a second character to cap, hell couldnt even stand to take a second character of the opposite faction to 30th! Bad bad game design. Don't even get me started on the other crappy design features.
I've tried to stay fairly neutral with posts about SWTOR, because I am, afterall, still playing it, and I'm enjoying it, for the most part, BUT......everything you said is true. I have a Republic Commando that is 26 or 27 and an Imperial Sorcerer that is 20 and ALREADY I'm seeing some of what you spoke of, such as the cut and paste "alikeness" of planets and zones and even things like, well....every single spaceport.
It really makes me sad. But I'm determined to get the story goodness out of the game, so....I'm going to continue as long as I can. I never planned to play "endgame" in this game, so at least I'm not disappointed by that. lol
I have a high degree of Respect for Acmegamer he speaks the truth. Sadly some people just dont want to listen. But subscription numbers speak for themselves. I do hang out on other forums, and people are saying the same things ON EvRY forum.. I also Hang on Hardware sites, that are in my language.. We mostly talk about how to Tweak computers and overclock them. And even there People are saying BAD things about SWTOR...
Developers need to learn PLAYERS are not STUPID, and they can see this game for what it is... You cant to a bad jobb and expect people to stick around, just because it says Star Wars made by Bioware at the begining...
Right, because the boards were simply flooded about those two issues.
>_>
Glad they did fix them anyways.
There are only a few things people are complaining about 1) Illum (which they should it's pretty bad) and 2) people who rushed to 50 and are complaining how bored they are because they don't want to roll an alt.. Although part of that boredom is caused by how bad Illum is... If they can fix Illum and make it fun then that could fix a lot of the complaints...
As for people bored because the game is to much like WOW, well that's just the way it is and nothing is going to change now... If people feel that way they need to move on to another game and not camp the forums complaining about it by creating new posts about it every day.
I enjoy Bioware games, Mass Effect and Dragon Age games i played through multiple times so rolling alts on SWTOR is part of the fun for me.... If it's not your thing then move on...
Heres the thing though as far as rolling alts goes. SWTOR's re-playability is miserable. Sure the class quests are "semi" different. Note I say semi because I am an alt-aholic and I was advancing a few characters a once and noted similiarities repeatly. Not only that the way they lay out the quests and the planets is such that they are so redundant that they are tedious at best.
At least with say WoW, I could start out in multiple different racial areas and advance to say 20 to 30th without much if any cross over. Even then once you hit the post 20 to 30th leveling areas there was typical a couple areas to advance per level bracket which kept it a bit more fresh then SWTOR.
Not only that but you had a full world, where you could go versus say for example Balmorra. Wow I was doing quests with my trooper there in his 30s and suddenly had major deja vu. Suddenly released the Republic outpost I was at was teh same place that my Sith warrior was also currently questing in but he was 20th. (blink blink) Oh I see what they did, they cut and paste and phased the same area twice and reskinned the npcs and names. Doh. So I could never run across that area cross faction. Wow, really? Talk about bad immersion design. I went and took out their space port on that planet with my trooper the same port that my Sith was currently operating out of and questing from. Just crappy crappy game design.
Basically you have to grind your teeth to force yourself to go on any of the worlds once you've done em once. They use so much cut and paste world design that is sad. Talk about lazy and greed walking hand in hand. I enjoy playing alts and exploring all areas of a game world, this is the first time ever that I couldnt bear to take a second character to cap, hell couldnt even stand to take a second character of the opposite faction to 30th! Bad bad game design. Don't even get me started on the other crappy design features.
I've tried to stay fairly neutral with posts about SWTOR, because I am, afterall, still playing it, and I'm enjoying it, for the most part, BUT......everything you said is true. I have a Republic Commando that is 26 or 27 and an Imperial Sorcerer that is 20 and ALREADY I'm seeing some of what you spoke of, such as the cut and paste "alikeness" of planets and zones and even things like, well....every single spaceport.
It really makes me sad. But I'm determined to get the story goodness out of the game, so....I'm going to continue as long as I can. I never planned to play "endgame" in this game, so at least I'm not disappointed by that. lol
Honestly I do wish these issues were not true. I was really looking for a science fiction space mmo-rpg to hang my hat on. One good space one and one good fantasy mmo-rpg. Basically its not to bad as a stand alone rpg goes, as long as you play one character/class and stick to that. Even that at times though can be a bit tedious. My Republic trooper commando is 45th and I stopped working crafting at 40th with his skills around 350 to 365 (out of a max of 400) due to the cost. I'm about 25k from having enough credits to get the 100% speed training then I of course have to raise the credits for the actual speeder. I'll skip that because I'll be working on the cost of the 110% speed trainer at 50th level so I might as well buy that speed speeder.
Watching end game play over the shoulder of my son who has a capped healing smuggler also brings a lot of concern. That of course is another subject/rant. Basically what should have even with little effort been a good mmo-rpg ended up being a really bad one. I go days at a time before I can will myself to log in. Mentioned to my son that today was the first day since Monday that i'd logged in and even then I ended up alt-tabbing and reading instead far to often.
I find it ironic that the replayability was so highly touted and yet i find it much more annoying that any other MMO. While yes it's still better at the base since you have the class quests, i almost feel that it's overshadowed by all the annoying VO'ers that you have to go through for the boring quests that are shared. I don't like to spacebar but it felt like torture if i didn't.
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Wait....I thought EA owned Warhammer, not Bioware. Bioware is under EA, right, not vice versa. Or have I misunderstood this entire corporate lah dee dah BS?
Just for the record, I'm still playing SWTOR, although I started after release. I think I've been playing a month and I subbed for 2 more months. My characters are 20 (Imp) and 27 (Pub), a Sith Sorcerer and a Republic Commando respectively. So I'm just taking my time with the story, not playing every day, and just enjoying the game for what it is. It's not, apparently, a PvP game. To me it seems more like a hybrid MMO/single player RPG. I'm enjoying the story, but most of the time I'm playing alone. I've only grouped 3 times, I think. I'm not a "fan" of SWTOR, but I'm, like I said, enjoying it for what it is. /shrug
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Let's be honest, nothing Bioware will do will please most of the haters on this forum. End of story. Move on now?
Well it's mostly here that the majority of disgruntled kids hang and Bioware could give them each 200$ and a revamp of the game over night making it better than GW2 and they would'nt be happy. I rest my case, there is nothing i can do for them! So i say, i enjoy the game, so i wont let meself be bored by those who are "never pleased"
rofl check this out http://www.swtor.com/server-status 10 heavy 1 very heavy with 19 light lol and yet you tell us this game is not dying, dude 1 month ago they had 10 full 25 very heavy 25 heavy etc, get over yourself this game is dying I say Jim dying........
Mm hmm. Yup.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Bioware took over War from Mythic, not hard to do a search and find that
Oh well excuuuuuuuse me. Sorry to trouble you. Thanks for taking time out of your busy day to answer me and chastise me. I feel complete now.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
EA owns Bioware so I would think they also own Warhammer.
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
I think there is a lot more things that would make PvP more fun in the game, but yeah, it is a start to fix this.
But the game is PvE focused like all Bioware games and people who like PvP focused games don´t like games like that, it is really not that strange.
I mean most people can easily admit that Slash are great on playing guitarr but that does not mean you like his music.
TOR really put in PvP as an alternative, not as the main game and some people like that others don´t. It would have been the same if the game was mainly PvP focused with a little PvP as well, some people would like it, others wouldn´t.
I personally think they should add some X-wing Vs tie fighter (or simimilar) PvP that is close to the battle of the deathstar in the first movie (the real first movie, not the Jar jar one). That would really add some cool PvP to the game.
ill give them credit for todays fixes but i will say this. They claimed not me them that they had the best pvp team and were going to be amazed by ilum. That was a flat out lie and im going to ask for an apology at comic con about that.
What happened in 1.1 happened 6 months ago on a daily basis in ilum and i said as much only when money was involved and a LARGE numbers of reps leaving did they do something.
Im convinced now more then ever that beta was just to get more people to pre order which they screwed themselves on top not sending out the boxed copies earlier lol
Ill give it 6 months but i have lost faith in the devs and james ohlen i think knows as much about the devs as john smedly did with his own swg devs which isnt saying much.
I can walk up to the ilum base and shoot 2 missiles by myself and pretend take the outside of the opposing teams base.
There was an in depth ilum revamp that a guild made that was up to like 3k views and not 1 dev comment or post that kin has now left the game as well
Open world pvp has been left in the dust there focusing on warzones 24/7 and same faction warzones due to development incompetence not making wookies/aliens as a playable race was a bad decision that pvp is paying for now.
Bioware just make A-net look better and better by the second. It's obvious that the same incompetent pvp team for WAR are now being incompetent on the swtor pvp team.
the main post said "give them credit where credit is due"
sooooo?
give them credit for not fixing buggs and exploits in the 1st time?
imo this is just someone doing their JOB and maybe should had been done or delt with prior to release...
mmhmmm credit is due to someone making money and didnt do their job right in the 1st place..but i guess you could argue that some games dont even go that far..but to each their own
Swtor fixed some bugs and now the game is good. If this game had an open beta its subscriber numbers would signifcially lower upon launch. Launching an unfinished game is never good for business but, if you keep it quiet fish will bite.
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EXACTLY. He said Bioware owns Warhammer. EA owns Bioware AND Mythic from what I have understood, now....I may be wrong, but generally the company another corporation BUYS does not BECOME the same company as the one that bought them, unless that is the agreement. If EA were to buy Activision/Blizzard, would we then say Blizzard owns Mythic? That makes no sense. EA owns Mythic. I remember when that happened. I don't think it's appropriate to say that another company bought by EA owns Mythic.
Maybe I just misunderstood what that other poster was saying. /shrug Maybe I'm in error in remembering the buy out wrong. I don't remember BIOWARE buying Mythic. I DO remember EA's involvement.
On topic: I'm grateful for any improvements to SWTOR, but most won't affect me. I'm enjoying the game right now. However, I don't plan on playing past level 50. I'm making one Imperial and one Republic character and taking them both to 50 for the story. So far as I'm concerned, the game ends there. That's all I bought it for, so....I was planning that already.
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i reported the exploit of having 2 additional players in warzone 2 months ago and they never ever banned those doing it despite me listing on my server names that chronically were involved in it, i report them every day for weeks till i got fed up and same guys came next day to continue it.
So 2 months to fix a bug that actually gave free wins wih no consequences is certainly no great work.
LOL, the funny thing about SWTOR is there is just no end to things for players to complain about!
May it fail miserably.
2 months to fix an exploit, sorry, but I do not see that as something to brag about....Oh well, I unssubbed, gotta quit kicking the wounded dog, just the topic was a little too in your face like they cured cancer....When all they did was take way too long to fix smaller things, things I would expect a hot patch to fix, if they are good...
I don't play Rift anymore either, don't like the direction, and it was too small/railed, but they are pretty competant, and fixed stuff like this in hot patches all the time, and thats Trion...an upstart...I know they got a lot of veteran talent, but can they out talent EA/BW that badly?
There are only a few things people are complaining about 1) Illum (which they should it's pretty bad) and 2) people who rushed to 50 and are complaining how bored they are because they don't want to roll an alt.. Although part of that boredom is caused by how bad Illum is... If they can fix Illum and make it fun then that could fix a lot of the complaints...
As for people bored because the game is to much like WOW, well that's just the way it is and nothing is going to change now... If people feel that way they need to move on to another game and not camp the forums complaining about it by creating new posts about it every day.
I enjoy Bioware games, Mass Effect and Dragon Age games i played through multiple times so rolling alts on SWTOR is part of the fun for me.... If it's not your thing then move on...
http://www.swtor.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=76
4 neutral posts ,rest are negative .Just to start with.
1st kinda explains it "Should I quit cos of awful PvP? (
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Let's internet
Heres the thing though as far as rolling alts goes. SWTOR's re-playability is miserable. Sure the class quests are "semi" different. Note I say semi because I am an alt-aholic and I was advancing a few characters a once and noted similiarities repeatly. Not only that the way they lay out the quests and the planets is such that they are so redundant that they are tedious at best.
At least with say WoW, I could start out in multiple different racial areas and advance to say 20 to 30th without much if any cross over. Even then once you hit the post 20 to 30th leveling areas there was typical a couple areas to advance per level bracket which kept it a bit more fresh then SWTOR.
Not only that but you had a full world, where you could go versus say for example Balmorra. Wow I was doing quests with my trooper there in his 30s and suddenly had major deja vu. Suddenly released the Republic outpost I was at was teh same place that my Sith warrior was also currently questing in but he was 20th. (blink blink) Oh I see what they did, they cut and paste and phased the same area twice and reskinned the npcs and names. Doh. So I could never run across that area cross faction. Wow, really? Talk about bad immersion design. I went and took out their space port on that planet with my trooper the same port that my Sith was currently operating out of and questing from. Just crappy crappy game design.
Basically you have to grind your teeth to force yourself to go on any of the worlds once you've done em once. They use so much cut and paste world design that is sad. Talk about lazy and greed walking hand in hand. I enjoy playing alts and exploring all areas of a game world, this is the first time ever that I couldnt bear to take a second character to cap, hell couldnt even stand to take a second character of the opposite faction to 30th! Bad bad game design. Don't even get me started on the other crappy design features.
I've tried to stay fairly neutral with posts about SWTOR, because I am, afterall, still playing it, and I'm enjoying it, for the most part, BUT......everything you said is true. I have a Republic Commando that is 26 or 27 and an Imperial Sorcerer that is 20 and ALREADY I'm seeing some of what you spoke of, such as the cut and paste "alikeness" of planets and zones and even things like, well....every single spaceport.
It really makes me sad. But I'm determined to get the story goodness out of the game, so....I'm going to continue as long as I can. I never planned to play "endgame" in this game, so at least I'm not disappointed by that. lol
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I have a high degree of Respect for Acmegamer he speaks the truth. Sadly some people just dont want to listen. But subscription numbers speak for themselves. I do hang out on other forums, and people are saying the same things ON EvRY forum.. I also Hang on Hardware sites, that are in my language.. We mostly talk about how to Tweak computers and overclock them. And even there People are saying BAD things about SWTOR...
Developers need to learn PLAYERS are not STUPID, and they can see this game for what it is... You cant to a bad jobb and expect people to stick around, just because it says Star Wars made by Bioware at the begining...
Honestly I do wish these issues were not true. I was really looking for a science fiction space mmo-rpg to hang my hat on. One good space one and one good fantasy mmo-rpg. Basically its not to bad as a stand alone rpg goes, as long as you play one character/class and stick to that. Even that at times though can be a bit tedious. My Republic trooper commando is 45th and I stopped working crafting at 40th with his skills around 350 to 365 (out of a max of 400) due to the cost. I'm about 25k from having enough credits to get the 100% speed training then I of course have to raise the credits for the actual speeder. I'll skip that because I'll be working on the cost of the 110% speed trainer at 50th level so I might as well buy that speed speeder.
Watching end game play over the shoulder of my son who has a capped healing smuggler also brings a lot of concern. That of course is another subject/rant. Basically what should have even with little effort been a good mmo-rpg ended up being a really bad one. I go days at a time before I can will myself to log in. Mentioned to my son that today was the first day since Monday that i'd logged in and even then I ended up alt-tabbing and reading instead far to often.
I find it ironic that the replayability was so highly touted and yet i find it much more annoying that any other MMO. While yes it's still better at the base since you have the class quests, i almost feel that it's overshadowed by all the annoying VO'ers that you have to go through for the boring quests that are shared. I don't like to spacebar but it felt like torture if i didn't.