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I will like see anyone take a sworn oath and subject to perjury say they really believe TOR is gaining subs as fast as it's losing them since day one.
100% retention? yeah right!
Why do people make up lies that are so easily proven wrong? I just makes you look foolish.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/28/58119/
First line - "I had the chance to sit down to play The Old Republic for a couple of days."
Yeah, and timing's a real doozy. Hi-res graphics are in 1.2, I've been pootling around on the PTS with them switched on, and they are nice...but too little too late, right?
True, Karma's a mofo, but all that rage can't be good for your blood pressure either
If I got all rage-y about every game, book and movie that I bought and didn't enjoy I'd be radiating anger in perpetuity. Mistakes are made, cash is burned, c'est la vie.
How can anyone do an actuate honest review on a couple of days? Did he spend 48 hrs or 1 hour per day? Doesn't say does it?
I spent a couple of days (umm about 20 hrs total) in the buddy trial while the game has been finished for 3 months LOL but that guy made those remarks way before release (April 28th 2011). He must be a real pro to judge a game that fast that soon. Really with all I was allowed to see in that time, all I could really did was get this
look on my face. Guess I should of worn the OSHA approved rose colored protective glasses he must of had.
Or, Bardus, you could read the article and see what it's actually about and addressing.
Like for example they actually describe their playthrough which, if you're familiar with the class, can give a decent guesstimate of how much they played.
On top of that you can see that they actually comment on some of the things people have been griping about being duped on or lied to about like the strong singleplayer element, mob cycles, etc.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
OK, I am a little tired of hearing about how BioWare screwed up the IP... BioWare made the IP. Meesa thinks usea don't knows whatsa uesa talking about.
just ugh.
I'm a unique and beautiful snowflake.
The IP is Star Wars. Bioware did NOT make Star Wars, sorry. If you want to blame Lucas Arts or something, okay, but Bioware had nothing to do with the creation of the Star Wars IP.
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I only looked at the post he quoted and replied on, seems to me both of you're talking about something completely different. He was replying on someone who said that people didn't play SWTOR before it launched for longer than 10 minutes in contrast to GW2, which from what I recall is false and untrue, but the guy gave an example of someone that clearly played longer than that time. That was what his reply was all about, refuting the claim of the guy he quoted who said that people didn't play SWTOR in longer sessions than 10 minutes.
I don't think it's as much of that they lied as they really didn't let anyone see what was under the hood until after those pre orders were made. I can go back and find video's of Bioware devs talking about many aspects of the game that are simply very generaic in nature that was made out to be more than what it really is. I honestly believe that Bioware/EA took advantage of SW fans and didn't deliver anything that did the IP justice. For all the people that are still playing TOR, you have to ask yourself. If this was a game without any SW in it, would you still think it is good enough for a monthly sub. I know after i reached level 50 i asked that of myself and the answer was a definite no.
OK, I am a little tired of hearing about how BioWare screwed up the IP... BioWare made the IP. Meesa thinks usea don't knows whatsa uesa talking about.
The IP is Star Wars. Bioware did NOT make Star Wars, sorry. If you want to blame Lucas Arts or something, okay, but Bioware had nothing to do with the creation of the Star Wars IP.
From his quote, maybe he meant Bioware made the IP as good as the JarJar Binks element of it. He would be right if he was.I messed this part up.>>>"No, Cuttthecrap, he pretty clearly quoted someone and was making a fuss and assumption about how long the article writer had played the game before doing their 'review' on it.
It was very clearly an illustration that Bardus failed to regard what the content of the article actually was, or the fact that it wasn't a rewiew, but a preview that gave snippets on how the game played in it's sate at the time.
It was also clear that he was trying to demerit DaRoamer's response to Puremallace, which was correcting the misconception that people were not given sufficient time prior to release to garner information on the actual contents of the game or provided actual demo time with the game to experience it.
I'm not sure where you pulled your point of view from."<<< I messed this part up.
EDIT: No wait, I did mess up. >_>
Addressed the wrong person, my comment was intended for Bardus, not DaRoamer. Fixing post accordingly.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
? What the...
Ok:
Kakkzooka claims that the public had only the chance to play SWTOR in 10 minute increments, which is a lie and untrue.
DaRoamer replies on that claim and says it's a lie, and provides an example of someone who played longer. He could've used better examples, I recall people on conventions or events being able to play for like 40-45 minutes sessions or so, but ok. Seems clear he's directly replying on Kakkzooka's false claim.
Case closed.
edit: @Deivos: lol, ok, np. I was already getting confused.
So you rushed through the content and (obviously) ignored the story, and that's somehow Bioware's fault? That's like blaming lighter manufacturers for arson.
It took me over a month of playing fairly frequently to get to max level, which is about the same amount of time it took me to get to max in WoW... and when you consider WoW has 35 more levels, well...
No game will EVER be able to keep up with the content locusts.
WOW the OP got many of you LOL
"DeaconX is the reason I found out about SWTOR in Oct of 08.....Hes the reason I have a Oct 08 join date in the official forums.....
That being said, Ive been playtesting since early Summer......And I agree with his assessment.....IN ALL CATEGORIES...
Imo, of course, his rationale hits home, and his scores are sound. Bio could of done alot more with this game but didnt.
A 6 out of 10 overall is more then fair .......Nice job Deacon " Marchosias31
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4562708#4562708
So, after playing since summer and considers the game to be a 6, he bought the CE LOL
On a side note after reading his many comments about Pokket. I really believe the OP has "issues". Please seek help.
HAH.....OP smacked down....news at 11.
+1 internets to joo
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
No, I did not rush through the content, I did not use spacebar and lapped it all up.
SWG was capable of keeping up, even after putting in over 10,000 hours since 2005, plus lord knows how many hours between 2003-2005, I still was not done with SWG come Dec 15th 2011
SWTOR is fine for a single player game with online multiplayer options and DLC every few months but is a con for a P2P MMO, which is why SWG, WOW or any other P2P MMO > SWTOR
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Not sure how the OP "got many of you" but you appear to have him busted.The moment something is created or "born" is the beginning of the end. I love posts like this. Inevitably, the OP is right and can walk upright sternly due to austute observations about lifecycles.
Yea, Riiight. I don't even think i can respond to this. You know after the SWG NGE debacle, i layed the majority of the blame on SOE. But now that Bioware has come out with this turd, i honestly believe that Lucasarts has no clue about their own IP. They let Bioware ceate one of the most dullest and deadpan games i have ever played. Yea, it's great that the game is set in the Old Republic timeline as to not interfear with the origional timeline, but to go out of their way to copy another game as to lose focus on what SW is all about is pathetic. Look at most of the clothing and armor that the game has, that shit could be taken right out WOW with those bigass shoulderpads and such. The only thing that resembles SW is the lightsabers and i guess they figured that would draw in people to play.
See, if this game didn't have SW attached to it, i would have never even gave it any thought, in which i'm sure i am not alone. I enjoyed the origional KOTOR that Bioware made, and figured, if they set that in a mmorpg setting, it would be damn good. Well, basically in my eyes, for what they created was a good SPG with onlie options that never captured the KOTOR essence at all. TOR is just a sad game that is trying to be this big bad mmorpg. A shame really, because it really could have been the next very big thing that was set in the SW Galaxy.
Wow you REALLY GOT ME!!!!!
You exposed me, you should be a reporter pal! Just amazing work! Holy dam, Im impressed!!!
I played the beta for months, used different classes and never went beyond level 33.
So, my avg score in Nov was a 6/10 and in this post I say its a spectacular craptastic avg mmo. Yeah man, you 'outted' me all right....../facepalm
Try harder next time son...........
Whatever happened to the IN BIOWARE WE TRUST signatures?
This. Plus with SWTOR I played pretty extensively for free during the open beta weekends. The only way that is going to happen with GW2 is if I pre order the game.
I am not sure I get all this false advertising business when it comes to SWTOR. It was pretty much every single thing they promised, in my experience, save for the hi end textures, which was an outright lie.
Meh, if the worst thing that happens to me this year is I pay $60 for a game I play for 4 months, (or if I had quit after a week for that matter) I will count this a pretty damn good year.
People need to let go of those resentments, that shit will kill ya. ;-)
SWG was a complete grind. You could not get ANYTHING without spending several tens of hours working for it. That is NOT content, that is stupidity. On top of that, the day SWG finally was pulled off life support it still had bugs in it from the day it went live. One of which was a door that if you clicked on the game crashed. I personally reported that on 3 different occassions over three years and received a reply that "This is a known issue and is being worked on" EACH TIME. That is not exactly a stellar reason to play.
Now if you liked SWG, then good for you, but please do not make it out to be more than it was. THAT game was mediocre at best with appeal ONLY for the smallest of player demographics.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I'm still confused as to how so many people thought this game was promising. The mindless star wars fans and the ignorant WoW-babies, sure. But it seems like so many other people fell for this. Just like they fell for the mass effect series actually thinking their choices in the game would come to some kind of overall conclusion. I personally never cared for bioware the moment I finished dragon age adn played bioshock for an hour or so. Popularity doesn't always point to the good stuff I guess.
TOR isn't a game because it didn't have to be. They knew star wars fans are one of the most loyal fan bases and one of the most mainstream. So why spend money making a decent game when you can just make a mediocre game and tickle tour lab rats with lore/story.
/end of pointless post.
i totally second that sir
I paid 150 bucks too, and I think at least a bit Bioware misled us. But then, I am an adult and I took the risk, so it is as it is. I do not wish any MMO to do down the drain. But I feel Bioware really failed us, and given it was the 2nd Star Wars MMO, we have 12 years MMO history to learn from and they had ALL the money and backing, it is a shame this borefest is all we got. I hope Bioware NEVER EVER makes a MMO again.
Maybe this game needs to fail to show that some things were just wrong and arrogance. I just played a Popori on TERA beta, and it was SO fun to play a killer rabbit. But wait, Mr Erickson told us people can not identify with freak races! That is why millions were playing cows with swords or rats or cats or crocodile or demons or anything else. Because they all can not identify with anything but humans. And oh that story is SO important you can essentially neglect the rest. Like textures. Who cares there is plastic supposed to look like stone and plasting supposed to look like metal and plastic supposed to look like cloth, just it DOESN'T! And who cares the worlds are sterile and dead, that there are almost no ambient sounds. I mean who need ambient sounds when every schmock tells you his life story for 200 hours just to send to kill some womprats! And who needs beautiful gear, when you just run run run. And who need creative, fantastic alien creature mob to kill when we have humans with facepaint to kill! Who needs bizarre and wonderful creatures! Who needs vast open worlds, when you have... Star Wars and Bioware written on the box!
Sorry, but Bioware devs were SO DAMN arrogant about "OH WE KNOW ALL BETTER" and if this game fails, the DEVS deserve it! But the game would have deserved to be better. Much better. A failing game always makes me sad. But sorry, I think the Bioware devs were so arrogant and never listened, they deserve that their company crashes upon them with loud thunder! There were enough people who made GOOD arguments what a MMO needs, but they claimed always to know better! And now? Now they add MORE OF THE SAME. Operations, Flashpoints and more playable humans with facepaint.
GO TO HELL BIOWARE.
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