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So...what's the answer? Does the government step in and regulate what game companies can and cannot do? Do game companies become the target of every lawyer out there that wishes to chase the proverbial gaming ambulance? When are the people playing games going to realise that THEY are responsible for playing the very game game that brings them grief?
In answer to some of the above, I do not want any of the changes that require or force by proxy the game company to NOT develop fun games. I do not want the government to get involved. I do not want the lawyers suing the pants of game companies. I want PLAYERS to act like responsible adults and stop whining when something "bad" happens in a GAME. Of course, maybe people just are not capable of making their own decsions and should let someone else dictate what games they play and how. You choose.
Let's party like it is 1863!
The Mittani has written a full unreserved apology.
This is good enough for me. He is deserving of redemption.
So the actions of a drunk man are fine?
Please tell that to my dead best friend and my other bestie that killed him.
What does some other case has to do with Mittani? Mittanis victim barely cared about all of it.
Its is one thing to act like an idiot in a game and grief people but a totally different thing when you do it in real life. Mittani is playing the game way too much and is becoming the moron char he plays. There is a reason undercover agents have rules about how long they can go undercover and how often they can do it. Bottom line is, you pretend to be a moron long enough and you eventually turn into one.
The whole thing with this has gone far too far. The sentance was said in humour where everybody could see. The problem is that The Mitanni is leader of the largest alliance ingame which is also the alliance which almost everybody ingame has a idea about. The people who have carried this on and in outrage are the ones who dislike The Mittani and want him and his alliance banned from the game as they play it their way (griefing) now all these people who say that the community is outraged by this are idiots. Only a small part of the community is outraged by this and the rest can see what it is a joke. The guy it was aimed at has made a statement that the original mail about him commiting suicide was just him venting steam after his ship was ganked.
This story has gone too far and the media has spun it to something "terrible" as they would do to get views and readers.
As a representative of the company if they do nothing they are condoning the action. Apologies are nice but they do not put the shine back on the apple.
I do not give two cents about the person that said it. I care more about the company. If he was some random player that put it out on the web that would be different. This is a person that CCP has up there representing them and their game. By them not taking some action they are condomning it. When you are a leader of people (even a crapy game corp) or a representative of something you face different rules than just a common person. You are held to different standards. It is not "just a game" when the comments and actions go beyond the game. A very visiable person did something and nothing happens it tells others that action is ok for them to do. That inturn means CCP is liable for what happens next. If you create the environment that tolerates these actions you are responsible for the actions that come out of that environment. In some cases criminally and civilally.
CSM are not a represenatative of the company but of the community. There is a big difference.
The guy likely made his appology only to avoid legal action from CCP.
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It was great publicity for future Fanfest's.
Possible however CCP did not choose to have The Mittani as the chairman of the CSM the community did. And also he does not represent CCP he represents the community to CCP.
this sorry individual was a representative of a corp in the game. Said corp is not known for being nice people and he seemingly was a true representative of those in that corp. What he said was, to me, an incitement to riot - to harrass an individual to the point of suicide. Not sure what the laws in Iceland are(I believe that is where it took place) but i hope he is charged. However saying it was the games fault or the community at large's fault is extreme. He was a representative elected by a corp/alliance to represent them, not the company, not the game. My opinion.
Currently bored with MMO's.
Unfortunately thats not the way it would play out in the legal system. The CSM IS a community elected group of players that represent player interests to CCP. However by CCP giving them 2 paid trips to Iceland each year constitutes an exchange of goods for services in their representation of the community. That by default makes the CSM contract employees of CCP. I've seen this same issue argued in other cases successfully. Now if Mittens did happen to incite people to harrass this guy and the guy did kill himself that would leave CCP on the hook. Now granted it didn't play out that way, but that is something I am sure CCP is keeping in their heads when deciding this.
At the very least Mittens did make a public statement to the game community to collectively harrass a player with the intent of causing him to kill himself. Yes I am sure it was in jest. However his words did constitute a breach of the EULA with the effect of pushing a person to commit a real life crime. Again I know it was in jest. Mittens screwed up big in this one and as much as he has done for the community personally I feel he should man up and resign from the CSM. Not to protect himself, but to absolve CCP of responsibility in this matter. Everything can be swept under the carpet then. Because lets face it, if CCP comes back and kicks him from the CSM, or worse issues a ban, there will be hell to pay with the player base of the game. To a lesser extent there will be issues if he gets a free pass. Either way, if CCP has to issue the decision, I see them losing some subs over this.
This kind of stuff is common in Eve.
Kinda why the game isn't really growing and people have multiple accounts... the game is asshat central. I mean come on the pluses of the game are "you can be an asshat to people!" (verbatim but still)
Ban this guy forever please.
Yer theres some people like that ingame theres people like that in every game on this planet. However the majority of the people can see this game as a game and whta goes on inside as just part of the game and nothing to get flustered about and its this part of the community which has kept me playing aside from the great game for the past 3 almost 4 years.
Yer theres some people like that ingame theres people like that in every game on this planet. However the majority of the people can see this game as a game and whta goes on inside as just part of the game and nothing to get flustered about and its this part of the community which has kept me playing aside from the great game for the past 3 almost 4 years.
http://www.destructoid.com/pedophile-meets-victim-in-world-of-warcraft-92213.phtml
Eve players aren't RL psychopaths, WoW players aren't paedophiles. It's very simple to generalise from individual evidence but you are not often correct.I am actually very thankful that EVE is doing well. It houses alot of the D**kheads, Douchebags, A**holes, ect. that would populate other online games.
Come play EVE, Be a Dickhead, Grief other players, we encourage you to do so and wont do anything to stop you. When you cater to the lowest common denominator its no wonder " Goons" are elected player reps.
Christ who would actually pay to play this shit?
I wish CCP the best of luck, hopefully EVE will be around for awhile so the dicks will have a place to gather and flex e-peens.
jesus when did playing video games become this bad, first the street fighter thing and now this. when did playing a video game and becoming an expert at it make you something other than the biggest loser?
don't get me wrong i love playing video games but i would never brag about it to someone. I remember when my buddy who is in my judo class asked me what i did the night before and i said I went on a raid (and then proceeded to explain what a raid was) he gave me such a look. and was like "oh um ok?"
I know this will hurt some peoples egos but no matter how many ingame credits you have or how many purplez you have... you're still just a geek, nerd or dork to most people out there.
this exactly, if there was no EVE, Darkfall or any other PVP game. the POS that inhabit those games would infest other games that us non scumbags are playing and bother us.
so please EVE don't do anything to these guys, you can keep the "im going to try and convince others to commit suicide" types in your game.
Hah, I think I finally recognize what a troll is!
Yes, I do hope EVE will be around for a while. It's pissed me off and made me rage quit so many times since I started in 2004, yet, I still love it more than any MMO that currently boasts some large number of players. Maybe that's because EVE is atm, the closest thing there is to a proper functioning MMORPG that offers a world that players can actually change and evolve with. Oh, and it's community is far beyond the popular AAA titles in terms of pleasant interactions. Sorry.
This notion that everyone who plays EVE is a griefer comes from people who tried EVE on a trial run, and attempted to be some spaceship god and thought they could 'pwn' everyone and pew pew anywhere, and found themselves in a pod outside a blown up ship. These types of people immediately cancel their account and complain on a forum somewhere that EVE is a meanie-face that won't let them powerlevel to some imaginary plane of epicness where the "best players" sit and rain down destruction on the rest of the players. There is absolutly no reasonable basis for these people to even comment about a game that they don't in the slightest understand.
There's a reason why there's only 300,000-400,000 players and not the millions of mainstreamers. The same reason a tv show like American Idol has more viewers than any show that would be on The Learning Channel.
Regarding OP:
I do not condone that sort of behavior from someone that is so closely affiliated to CCP, and is at the same time, expected to represent the playerbase, not condemn them.
He should resign, and his corp should boot him and leave him to fend for himself, just as he suggested the players do to his victim.
Im quite annoyed at some peoples blinkered approach to the EvE community.
The asshats like Goons etc are in the minority of players and if you knew any players in these corps, you'd know most are decent people who act like numpties in game.
There is a small nucleus of these main guilds/alliances who are really nasty people, some are quite despicable but it's only a handful of players, again, most players in EvE are decent people and extremely friendly and helpful.
You want to know who was the most outraged and angry about this occurance? The EvE community by a long shot, the greater community of players who saw one dipshit bringing the entire community into disrepute.
Mitani is a tosser, no question and his apology is not heartfelt, he does this shit all the time and his lackys lick his backside and call it peanutbutter. However, who can say they have played any mmorpg where they have not been equally annoying and childishly misguided egotists? Most have these players in abundance, the problem stems from CCP trusting one with an open forum while most games companies would never let any player talk like this at a gathering/convention. This meant that they gave facetime to someone who clearly had an ego the size of the titanic and this is the error.
Again, please don't paint the entire EvE community with a broad brush because one person acted like a dick.
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