Desperation. That's the only explanation for why people are working themselves up over this game. It's the same thing that happened with TOR.
6 months from now this board will be filled with post mortem threads detailing what went wrong with GW2.
I doubt any game will be able to come close to SWTOR any time soon.
GW2 as a B2P title has a much lower chance to disappoint customers. Actually, I already feel that I've got my money's worth out of it at 70 hours of gameplay. And as someone who had very high expectations of it (following the game for a while) I feel that my expectations were not only met, but exceeded. Even if I get bored eventually, that doesn't mean something with the game went terribly wrong. I still would have had my fun and will come back for more whenever I feel like it.
RIFT - The same thing over and over. Even when I tried to ignore the rifts and quest around them, they sprang up all around me and the wandering monsters kept spreading their goodness and throwing beads continually
SWTOR - I disagree with the assessment it was a single player game. I found it to be just the opposite. Gold star monsters in groups cannot be fought solo.
Guild Wars 2 - I think of as a puzzle game. What combinations of skills, traits and tactics can I use to overcome my adversaries. Big events - I don't have to find a group, the group is all around me.
Well, I've played GW2 in their beta and enjoyed every second. That's enough reason for me to be positive about the game. I hope that the quality of the beta will be reflected in the rest of it. Only time will tell, but I have no reason to believe it won't.
If you played the beta and didn't like it then that's fine, your opinion is noted and otherwise ignored. If you didn't play it then you have no valid reason to be so negative about it.
And I do play mostly standard multiplayer games (WoT is my current main playground). But a guy can diversify, no? My childhood memories are full of warm fuzzy memories of playing Arctic MUD and much later braving EVE as a trader (jumping in a chock-full of expensive goodies iteron through bookmarked lines - you still have to fly by bookmarks then - through 20 gates, pursued by a dozen interceptors of local alliance, adrenaline and sweet, sweet profits!), and even if now I understand how the games actually sucked and in what sense, a guy can hope that the genre will evolve, and take an interest, no?
If this answer doesn't satisfy you, I don't have another. I wasn't expecting Spanish Inquisition!
Guy can diversify indeed. You just sound like you really dont like MMORPGs, which I believe justifies my stance regarding your earlier post.
What comes to evolving the genre, I doubt it happens by saying that MMORPGs suck or some certain (owPvP) features in them suck, especially when a lot of people love that particular feature.
I think it's easy to see that as the overall result when you lump everyone into one category without looking much deeper.
Look at my forum history over the past, what, almost 10 years on these forums, and you'll see that aside from a few glimmers of catious hope like Vanguard, WAR & Rift, in which I talk about their 'potential...' more than what they were, and which clearly weren't releasing in any form close to my ideal MMO, you'll see that when you look at individuals the picture you paint isn't really the case.
I had no interest in GW2, I ignored it - I wasn't a fan of GW1 and made some bad assumptions. I was talked in to playing it, and in my opinion it was undersold to me completely. I haven't had that much fun in an MMO since 99-02, without question. Posts on a forum can't actually change that.
So, I'm damn excited for GW2 - I spent nearly a decade in MMOs looking desperately for the positives rather than being bowled over by them as I was in GW2. You mention it's the same game, I disagree, I'd mention I didn't have to do a single lame ass quest and instead encountered content that was delivered through interacting with a well fleshed out world, one that doesn't rely on lazy task hubs to justify its existance as every other non-sandbox does. That's huge for me.
Here's some context for you: remember Saga of Ryzom? Yeah, I was mailed the beta CD (that's how it worked often back then) and was hoping that *this* would be the one that replicated my experience in earlier MMOs. Same with Wish, Horizon, Dragon Empires...remember those? That was ages ago. Now I've actually played something that I happen to enjoy and I'm supposed to apologise to you for that? Forget that.
So, if you expect me to be less enthusiastic after waiting that long to be enetertained again, tough. I am excited. Not because of potential, not because of what it *could* be, not because of what they tell me it will be, but because of what *is* actually there and that happens to be a perfect fit for my wife and I, and we've had the opportunity to see it first hand to make up our own minds.
Don't forget, not everyone is fooled by hype. Many of us research, consider and pay attention - anyone that was disappointed with Swtor, Rift, WAR or anyother clone is either new to MMOs or delusional.
If the game's not for you, that's fine by me - you're more than welcome to devote your life to bad mouthing the game in forum post after forum post if that's what you decide in the end. Knock yourself out. I doubt you'll change anyones mind as we've actually had the opportunity to play it.
But you are beyond delusional if you're attempting to talk me out of doing something I actually enjoy. That's simply not going to happen.
So, some advice for you: Look deeper than a generalised impression and you'll be less frustrated.
I so agree! I've played mmo's since beta UO. Last time I was this hyped up about a game was DAoC, which I loved!
"GW2 doesn't even have open-world PvP. The PvP takes place on some magical island which is not connected in any way to the regular world. What BS."
Is a very good reason for people to want to play this game. Nobody likes being forced into PVP. This way it makes it a choice. The only people who would not like this are gankers and griefers.
You seem to be kicking and screaming about a community getting excited for an upcoming release. People get excited about a game for different reasons, your just looking at all the "this feature is awesome" posts and assuming everyone is excited about everything?
Quit having a cry about 'Hype' and wait for the game to come out and make your own mind up about it. Alternatively play the Beta, watch some video's or read some reviews from magazines/websites you like.
I'm still lost as to why people feel the need to complain about people getting excited about something. Last I heard Kids don't complain about the hype leading up to xmas...and how many are left dissapointed by another new wardrobe of sweaters and socks?
Why is gaming humanity going through a seemingly infinite loop of hyping up mediocre games, and then complaining when the same games keep coming out? This has happened with RIFT, this has happened with SWTOR, how is GW2 any different?
The overhyped themepark model is so easy to go into for developers because of YOU. I mean, GW2 doesn't even have open-world PvP. The PvP takes place on some magical island which is not connected in any way to the regular world. What BS.
Thoughts?
It is the same BS that has been going on for years. Really ever since EQ came out. Trash trash trash with a few good games here and there (Shadowbane, Darkfall, EVE Online). Only one company managed to "McDonalds" the closed themepark and win.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Why is gaming humanity going through a seemingly infinite loop of hyping up mediocre games, and then complaining when the same games keep coming out? This has happened with RIFT, this has happened with SWTOR, how is GW2 any different?
The overhyped themepark model is so easy to go into for developers because of YOU. I mean, GW2 doesn't even have open-world PvP. The PvP takes place on some magical island which is not connected in any way to the regular world. What BS.
Thoughts?
It is the same BS that has been going on for years. Really ever since EQ came out. Trash trash trash with a few good games here and there (Shadowbane, Darkfall, EVE Online). Only one company managed to "McDonalds" the closed themepark and win.
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Well, I've played GW2 in their beta and enjoyed every second. That's enough reason for me to be positive about the game. I hope that the quality of the beta will be reflected in the rest of it. Only time will tell, but I have no reason to believe it won't.
If you played the beta and didn't like it then that's fine, your opinion is noted and otherwise ignored. If you didn't play it then you have no valid reason to be so negative about it.
Guy can diversify indeed. You just sound like you really dont like MMORPGs, which I believe justifies my stance regarding your earlier post.
What comes to evolving the genre, I doubt it happens by saying that MMORPGs suck or some certain (owPvP) features in them suck, especially when a lot of people love that particular feature.
I so agree! I've played mmo's since beta UO. Last time I was this hyped up about a game was DAoC, which I loved!
"GW2 doesn't even have open-world PvP. The PvP takes place on some magical island which is not connected in any way to the regular world. What BS."
Is a very good reason for people to want to play this game. Nobody likes being forced into PVP. This way it makes it a choice. The only people who would not like this are gankers and griefers.
You seem to be kicking and screaming about a community getting excited for an upcoming release. People get excited about a game for different reasons, your just looking at all the "this feature is awesome" posts and assuming everyone is excited about everything?
Quit having a cry about 'Hype' and wait for the game to come out and make your own mind up about it. Alternatively play the Beta, watch some video's or read some reviews from magazines/websites you like.
I'm still lost as to why people feel the need to complain about people getting excited about something. Last I heard Kids don't complain about the hype leading up to xmas...and how many are left dissapointed by another new wardrobe of sweaters and socks?
No its not, but i had more fun in GW2 beta then in any other MMO released in the last 8 years.
GW2 is not overhyped tough, its just a great game, that most people will love...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
It is the same BS that has been going on for years. Really ever since EQ came out. Trash trash trash with a few good games here and there (Shadowbane, Darkfall, EVE Online). Only one company managed to "McDonalds" the closed themepark and win.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Dakfall a good game??!!