Thread seems a bit silly to me, there's no way i'd buy multiple copies just to "support" a game, they already have my support from buying my own copy. Some people take video gaming far too seriously.
Thank you for being a voice of reason unlike some of the foks I've seen talking about having spent hundreds already and having bought a copy for the entire football team etc. these are going to be the same people raging beyond belief the minute something in game doesn't go their way.
As stated earlier I saw alot of this kind of rabid fanboism in SWG and I don't know that it really helped them all that much either. As gamers we really need to understand and recognize many of these games we think of as shit are just fine for the people playing them and we should be ok with that, there is no reason to artifically pump up any one game over another if you like the game play it don't need to outfit the entire glee club with a copy if they like it they'll buy it and try it.
It really is a myth that somehow helping or hurting these companies with inflating or deflating tactics does something good for the genre it only makes us as a whole look like our priorities are really screwed up.
GW2 is a long ways from being a true MMO in my book. Great game for PvP but that is about it at this time. This is why we have to wait for the changes and next BWE to see what other features get implemented.
I know people hate to admit it and only see the surface but I am far past taking any game a face value.
for me GW2 is more a "true" MMORPG than other i have try before.
what the hell is a true MMORPG? i bet this have something to do with raid grind...
I personally support a game (product/service) by purchasing it and then providing sensible feedback about it.
But I don't think it is strange or 'rabid fanboism' people purchasing some extra copies for friends. Humans are gregarious animals, and we like to have our loved ones close to us wherever we go. There's nothing wrong is doing so.
If you buy multiple copies of anything just to stash them in your closet, unused and unopened, then you need some specialized help
Thank you for being a voice of reason unlike some of the foks I've seen talking about having spent hundreds already and having bought a copy for the entire football team etc. these are going to be the same people raging beyond belief the minute something in game doesn't go their way.
As stated earlier I saw alot of this kind of rabid fanboism in SWG and I don't know that it really helped them all that much either. As gamers we really need to understand and recognize many of these games we think of as shit are just fine for the people playing them and we should be ok with that, there is no reason to artifically pump up any one game over another if you like the game play it don't need to outfit the entire glee club with a copy if they like it they'll buy it and try it.
It really is a myth that somehow helping or hurting these companies with inflating or deflating tactics does something good for the genre it only makes us as a whole look like our priorities are really screwed up.
Holy crap, you never buy your friends gifts?
It's not the first game I've bought for friends, nor will it be the last. It's not even the most I've spent on a gaming product for other people.
I bought two DSes to give to people. That's a lot more than 2 copies of GW1.
It's not like I'm doing it 'just to support the publisher', otherwise I'd buy the copies and then... I dunno. Not give the password to anybody?
I'm doing it because I like my friends and I'm sharing.
Other people talk about buying it for their girlfriend, or kids, or nephews or whatever.
These people sound like nicer people than you. 'If my kid wanted to play this game, they'd get a job and buy it themselves!'.
I have friends who want to play the game and/or play the beta, and were short on cash. I'm like 'Hey, I can afford that. Don't sweat it. Happy birthday/Christmas'. What's wrong with that?
It's weird when people make an act of gift-giving sound like some sort of sign of impending insanity.
I personally support a game (product/service) by purchasing it and then providing sensible feedback about it.
But I don't think it is strange or 'rabid fanboism' people purchasing some extra copies for friends. Humans are gregarious animals, and we like to have our loved ones close to us wherever we go. There's nothing wrong is doing so.
If you buy multiple copies of anything just to stash them in your closet, unused and unopened, then you need some specialized help
Well, I can think of a couple reasons to do that.
1. Sometimes unwrapped games are worth a lot more in the future. This isn't the worst idea with some very limited collector's editions (As opposed to the collector's editions where there's literally a million or more), or with games like say... Atlus games, where you know there will be a limited print run.
2. You could be a hardcore collector. I have a friend who bought multiple editions of Sakura Taisen, but they're all DIFFERENT types. Edition from another country, limited edition, edition to play, etc. This is pure collector nerdery, but it's no more insane than any other sort of collector/hobbyist.
3. It makes sense if it's say.... a physical thing that wears out. I know this isn't computer games now, but kind of related, like say... I know a few people who bought multiple copies of one Logitech mouse I can't even remember the number of, that's no longer made. It's the same damn mouse, too, I just can't remember the name of it. xD
1. Sometimes unwrapped games are worth a lot more in the future. This isn't the worst idea with some very limited collector's editions (As opposed to the collector's editions where there's literally a million or more), or with games like say... Atlus games, where you know there will be a limited print run.
2. You could be a hardcore collector. I have a friend who bought multiple editions of Sakura Taisen, but they're all DIFFERENT types. Edition from another country, limited edition, edition to play, etc. This is pure collector nerdery, but it's no more insane than any other sort of collector/hobbyist.
3. It makes sense if it's say.... a physical thing that wears out. I know this isn't computer games now, but kind of related, like say... I know a few people who bought multiple copies of one Logitech mouse I can't even remember the number of, that's no longer made. It's the same damn mouse, too, I just can't remember the name of it. xD
1 and 2 are stone crazy, for me, at least within the scope we are talking about (mass produced or online distributed games) =P But, to each his own.
I do 3, but the difference is that I still aim to use this stuff. No problem buying some extras of something you use in a sale, for instance. I have got 1 mouse and 2 particular keyboards in this situation. But I'll have no qualms about popping them up if my current hardware breaks.
WoW will never die, if every american cancelled there sub it will still be up and running stong next month like nothing happened. I am happy for all the people out there that still log in and play WoW or any MMO for that matter. If they find something to keep there interest then good for them. Just keeps the market going and keeps investers eager in dumping mounds of cash for a new IP.
If there werent big AAA MMO developers out there like Blizzard the market would be alot slower pace if anything be thankful for that contribution. My time with WoW came and went but the last thing I would is tell someone else they shouldnt play because of X reason. GW2 is on my horizon as the next game for me. If anything I want to be there to promote the fact that I as a gamer wants a game that is trying something new or at least trying to wrap the present different. Every MMO on the market either has its place or had its place for a gamer. I cant stand games like Farmville but they keep my wife happy and thats a plus for me!
If you as a gamer dont like or understand a game then move on and I wish you the best, but leave that decision for others up to them.
On a side note, Nice stab and trying to get yourself a free game from someone. Hope it works, and if you get more than one send one my way!
1 and 2 are stone crazy, for me, at least within the scope we are talking about (mass produced or online distributed games) =P But, to each his own.
I do 3, but the difference is that I still aim to use this stuff. No problem buying some extras of something you use in a sale, for instance. I have got 1 mouse and 2 particular keyboards in this situation. But I'll have no qualms about popping them up if my current hardware breaks.
Well, for 1 and 2, if you had said 'Crazy to do this with GW2', I'd agree, but you did say ANYTHING. I was even generous and mostly stuck with videogames.
I mean, I have two copies of Suikoden 2, one doesn't even have a case, and that copy WITHOUT a case or manual is worth like 150 bucks.
Have you SEEN the prices some unopened games go for? Thousands of dollars. It's not crazy when you're making a lot of money! it's just uh... eccentric?
Hey if someone bought me a copy, I wouldn't complain. Id be pretty stoked actually. That's a nice gift.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
GW2 is a long ways from being a true MMO in my book. Great game for PvP but that is about it at this time. This is why we have to wait for the changes and next BWE to see what other features get implemented.
I know people hate to admit it and only see the surface but I am far past taking any game a face value.
Would you mind telling us then a few examples of games you do consider to be 'true' MMO's?
He probably won't because what he usually does is post his hate comment once and leave to not reply unless the bait is good enough, but I'll tell you for him. TSW... :X
Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
Thank you for being a voice of reason unlike some of the foks I've seen talking about having spent hundreds already and having bought a copy for the entire football team etc. these are going to be the same people raging beyond belief the minute something in game doesn't go their way.
As stated earlier I saw alot of this kind of rabid fanboism in SWG and I don't know that it really helped them all that much either. As gamers we really need to understand and recognize many of these games we think of as shit are just fine for the people playing them and we should be ok with that, there is no reason to artifically pump up any one game over another if you like the game play it don't need to outfit the entire glee club with a copy if they like it they'll buy it and try it.
It really is a myth that somehow helping or hurting these companies with inflating or deflating tactics does something good for the genre it only makes us as a whole look like our priorities are really screwed up.
Holy crap, you never buy your friends gifts?
It's not the first game I've bought for friends, nor will it be the last. It's not even the most I've spent on a gaming product for other people.
I bought two DSes to give to people. That's a lot more than 2 copies of GW1.
It's not like I'm doing it 'just to support the publisher', otherwise I'd buy the copies and then... I dunno. Not give the password to anybody?
I'm doing it because I like my friends and I'm sharing.
Other people talk about buying it for their girlfriend, or kids, or nephews or whatever.
These people sound like nicer people than you. 'If my kid wanted to play this game, they'd get a job and buy it themselves!'.
I have friends who want to play the game and/or play the beta, and were short on cash. I'm like 'Hey, I can afford that. Don't sweat it. Happy birthday/Christmas'. What's wrong with that?
It's weird when people make an act of gift-giving sound like some sort of sign of impending insanity.
Christmas at your place must be a blast.
generally not with ulterior motives in mind I like to buy my friends gifts that I know they will like. not games that they may or may not like that I am just trying to inflate the purchase of.
Most of commentary too is in regards to the op's assertion wich honestly seems to have more to do with what he thinks of the game and where it should be in the world of mmo's and less about whether or not they will like it.
generally not with ulterior motives in mind I like to buy my friends gifts that I know they will like. not games that they may or may not like that I am just trying to inflate the purchase of.
MMORPGs are a social gaming thing. You play it with your friends and often with family. I don't see anything out of character with buying the game for your kids, or whatever. Just by playing it yourself, you technically raise the value automatically for other people who might want to play something with you. Did you actually READ the posts of the people who bought it?
For example, I mentioned I did NOT buy it for my friend who thought they probably wouldn't like it.
Since you like attributing purely selfish reasons to people, I'll explain my two purchases.
Friends A and B: Get a single beta code of game. Both are playing on that beta account. Both love it. Can't afford to buy a copy right now (Though saving for when it comes out. Good thing that's a few months!). Want to both play next BWE. I say 'Okay. I'll buy a copy for one of you right now'
Friend C: Wants to play it, has no job currently, makes money through freelance art, plans to save for it (Which is a horrible way to make money sometimes). I buy her a copy because I have a real job.
Even if they WEREN'T so enthusiastic about it, if a friend was just like 'Hey, I think I'd like to play it, but I'm not super sure', what's wrong with buying a friend a copy?
I've paid for friends to go to restaurants I like, because I hope they'll turn out to like it.
I've bought books for friends 'I liked this book. I think you will too!' In fact, isn't the whole IDEA of somebody buying GW2 for somebody (Say, as a gift), basically 'I think you'll like this'? Who seriously buys gifts for somebody they think they might NOT like? Unless it's a practical gift. (Oh thanks. Socks).
Do you just buy socks for people? Or things they already own? (I know you like Skyrim, so i bought you a second copy! You're welcome! )
Was anybody actually advocating buying it for people who you DON'T think will like it? If I like a product, and I think other people will like it as well, isn't that an ideal form of gift actually?
I find things I didn't even know I'd like a superior gift to things that I knew I'd like and probably would have gotten myself anyway.
Originally posted by Meowhead Originally posted by raistlinmgenerally not with ulterior motives in mind I like to buy my friends gifts that I know they will like. not games that they may or may not like that I am just trying to inflate the purchase of.
MMORPGs are a social gaming thing. You play it with your friends and often with family. I don't see anything out of character with buying the game for your kids, or whatever. Just by playing it yourself, you technically raise the value automatically for other people who might want to play something with you. Did you actually READ the posts of the people who bought it?
For example, I mentioned I did NOT buy it for my friend who thought they probably wouldn't like it.
Since you like attributing purely selfish reasons to people, I'll explain my two purchases.
Friends A and B: Get a single beta code of game. Both are playing on that beta account. Both love it. Can't afford to buy a copy right now (Though saving for when it comes out. Good thing that's a few months!). Want to both play next BWE. I say 'Okay. I'll buy a copy for one of you right now'
Friend C: Wants to play it, has no job currently, makes money through freelance art, plans to save for it (Which is a horrible way to make money sometimes). I buy her a copy because I have a real job.
Even if they WEREN'T so enthusiastic about it, if a friend was just like 'Hey, I think I'd like to play it, but I'm not super sure', what's wrong with buying a friend a copy?
I've paid for friends to go to restaurants I like, because I hope they'll turn out to like it.
I've bought books for friends 'I liked this book. I think you will too!' In fact, isn't the whole IDEA of somebody buying GW2 for somebody (Say, as a gift), basically 'I think you'll like this'? Who seriously buys gifts for somebody they think they might NOT like? Unless it's a practical gift. (Oh thanks. Socks).
Do you just buy socks for people? Or things they already own? (I know you like Skyrim, so i bought you a second copy! You're welcome! )
Was anybody actually advocating buying it for people who you DON'T think will like it? If I like a product, and I think other people will like it as well, isn't that an ideal form of gift actually?
I find things I didn't even know I'd like a superior gift to things that I knew I'd like and probably would have gotten myself anyway.
Its a zero sum mentality that leaks into things where zero sum has no place. I have no idea why people are "against" games. Its ok to like or not like a game, or even be somewhere in between. But theres too many people on all these subforums that cannot grasp this simple fact. In order for their favorite whatever to "win", all others must "lose". That is the poison that spreads throughout social interaction right now.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Bought it for both my kids... Already way more enjoyment than 2 other games I got for myself.
See you in structured PvP :-)
(Did'nt get my wife a copy though - It won't run on an iPad)
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!! (repeat ad infinitum)
Blahh, Blahh, Blahh, everyone keeps posting…GW2 is awesome, it rocks, it’s the WoW killer etc. And that is all fine and dandy. But it is time to put your money where your mouth is.
We all know someone who is just wasting their time and money paying a sub for a game they have already all but played out. It’s time to just go out and buy them a copy of the game. This will in effect teach them that they don’t have to pay a sub just to log in and sit around a campfire comparing farts. They can instead have all the adventure and excitement of a full blown MMO without having to pay a sub.
The money they will save without a sub will allow them to get a little something for their sweetie as well as get any future expansions.
So help a friend today and you will have helped them for a lifetime of game play. As to those of us who actually pony up and buy that extra copy we will have supported a great game and only helped to make it better.
Note: All you haters keep coming and post all your venom. All you are accomplishing is raising the hype meter that will only get more people turned on to the truth.
What a stupid idea. If someone bought this game for me, I'd feel pity for them for wasting their money.
good idea though. would be cool if MMORPG hooked up with STEAM or Walmart or w.e and sold copies which if you bought 2, gave you the ability to post on the games forums.
heh that'll never work .. good idea tho.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Blahh, Blahh, Blahh, everyone keeps posting…GW2 is awesome, it rocks, it’s the WoW killer etc. And that is all fine and dandy. But it is time to put your money where your mouth is.
We all know someone who is just wasting their time and money paying a sub for a game they have already all but played out. It’s time to just go out and buy them a copy of the game. This will in effect teach them that they don’t have to pay a sub just to log in and sit around a campfire comparing farts. They can instead have all the adventure and excitement of a full blown MMO without having to pay a sub.
The money they will save without a sub will allow them to get a little something for their sweetie as well as get any future expansions.
So help a friend today and you will have helped them for a lifetime of game play. As to those of us who actually pony up and buy that extra copy we will have supported a great game and only helped to make it better.
Note: All you haters keep coming and post all your venom. All you are accomplishing is raising the hype meter that will only get more people turned on to the truth.
I'd rather spend the rest of my money on charity. You know, helping people who don't have clothes to wear or food to eat. People who haven't seen a computer in their whole life or read a book. Rather then providing games for my friends who already live quite luxurious lives.
I'd rather spend the rest of my money on charity. You know, helping people who don't have clothes to wear or food to eat. People who haven't seen a computer in their whole life or read a book. Rather then providing games for my friends who already live quite luxurious lives.
Following this logic, no one should play games or have entertainment devices at all.
There are numerous ways to help people in need without giving hard cash (which is usually the worst possible option). And there is nothing wrong to use your hard-earned money doing whatever you want, without any guilt.
generally not with ulterior motives in mind I like to buy my friends gifts that I know they will like. not games that they may or may not like that I am just trying to inflate the purchase of.
MMORPGs are a social gaming thing. You play it with your friends and often with family. I don't see anything out of character with buying the game for your kids, or whatever. Just by playing it yourself, you technically raise the value automatically for other people who might want to play something with you. Did you actually READ the posts of the people who bought it?
For example, I mentioned I did NOT buy it for my friend who thought they probably wouldn't like it.
Since you like attributing purely selfish reasons to people, I'll explain my two purchases.
Friends A and B: Get a single beta code of game. Both are playing on that beta account. Both love it. Can't afford to buy a copy right now (Though saving for when it comes out. Good thing that's a few months!). Want to both play next BWE. I say 'Okay. I'll buy a copy for one of you right now'
Friend C: Wants to play it, has no job currently, makes money through freelance art, plans to save for it (Which is a horrible way to make money sometimes). I buy her a copy because I have a real job.
Even if they WEREN'T so enthusiastic about it, if a friend was just like 'Hey, I think I'd like to play it, but I'm not super sure', what's wrong with buying a friend a copy?
I've paid for friends to go to restaurants I like, because I hope they'll turn out to like it.
I've bought books for friends 'I liked this book. I think you will too!' In fact, isn't the whole IDEA of somebody buying GW2 for somebody (Say, as a gift), basically 'I think you'll like this'? Who seriously buys gifts for somebody they think they might NOT like? Unless it's a practical gift. (Oh thanks. Socks).
Do you just buy socks for people? Or things they already own? (I know you like Skyrim, so i bought you a second copy! You're welcome! )
Was anybody actually advocating buying it for people who you DON'T think will like it? If I like a product, and I think other people will like it as well, isn't that an ideal form of gift actually?
I find things I didn't even know I'd like a superior gift to things that I knew I'd like and probably would have gotten myself anyway.
honestly though the issue is that the people I actually associate with in my real everyday life don't play mmorpg's many of them who game I talked into trying mmorpgs and learned they don't like that type of gaming so I can only speak to my own personal experience not yours.
I realize many on these boards do have lot's of friends they deal with in real life who do game alot and may even play mmorpgs but I don't hence my stance.
Obviously if you associate with alot of people who game and more specifically play mmorpgs and you can also afford to buy tons of copies of a game be my guest and more power to you but as usual it's pretty difficult to view thngs and speak on things from someone elses perspective.
Going on what I read from the OP not any of the responders it sounds more like a ploy to try and kill off sub based games he doesn't speak about opening peoples eyes to the fun that is GW2 (though it is obviously implied) the post looks like a "troja horse" like you buy them the game they will find it so fun they will quit the sub based games they like and hence help to kill the sub based genre that is what I am against not sharing with friends or family.
I am an emcee and hang out with mostly musicians and producers and many of them would rather go to a pub a club or just a slamming party they aren't going to spend many if any nights tied to a computer gaming as I do so a video game would never be a nice gift for them but by all means if you think a friend would enjoy the game with you then I see nothing wrong with helping see them in with a gift.
I did read the posts of some of the responders and saw no problem with alot of the responders as stated on numerous occasions I saw fault in the way the op presented this post it sounds more like a war room strategy to get all the GW2 fans together to kill off sub gaming than anything having to do with simply enjoying GW2.
As the original poster id like to add even though some people are getting off track here, I appreciate all comments.
More importantly I feel that this is too good of an opportunity to squander for my friends. I have heard all sorts of excuses as to why not to give it a try.
For example one tried GW1 and did not like it and for the life of me I’m having trouble convincing him that this is a whole new ballgame. Even though I know he will love it. So he will get a copy.
Another excuse I heard was “I don’t like non-human or cartoony characters” even though he loved his non-human mythical dwarf in another MMO. So they will also get a copy.
As to my unemployed friends, their getting this for free will be based on their efforts to get re-employed as I do not want to hinder their ongoing efforts.
In the end I am sure they will all thank me for my insight and generosity. And yes this game will be a game changer and I don’t want them to miss this historic opportunity.
I'd rather spend the rest of my money on charity. You know, helping people who don't have clothes to wear or food to eat. People who haven't seen a computer in their whole life or read a book. Rather then providing games for my friends who already live quite luxurious lives.
Following this logic, no one should play games or have entertainment devices at all.
There are numerous ways to help people in need without giving hard cash (which is usually the worst possible option). And there is nothing wrong to use your hard-earned money doing whatever you want, without any guilt.
Following this logic? When did I say no one should play games or have entertainment? I like how you take things out of context. I posted regarding the OP's notion of supporting a company by buying multiple copies. It has nothing to do with self entertainment or gifts, I'm already getting my copy and thats enough for me.
Secondly, I never said there is anything wrong with using your money in w/e way you want to, did I? If you read my post it clearly said: "I'd rather" implying me not the whole humanity.
And lastly, how do you know I don't do volunteer work or help people aside from providing money? And no, providing money isn't the worst possible option, that's just your opinion.
Originally posted by raistlinmgenerally not with ulterior motives in mind I like to buy my friends gifts that I know they will like. not games that they may or may not like that I am just trying to inflate the purchase of.
MMORPGs are a social gaming thing. You play it with your friends and often with family. I don't see anything out of character with buying the game for your kids, or whatever. Just by playing it yourself, you technically raise the value automatically for other people who might want to play something with you. Did you actually READ the posts of the people who bought it?
For example, I mentioned I did NOT buy it for my friend who thought they probably wouldn't like it.
Since you like attributing purely selfish reasons to people, I'll explain my two purchases.
Friends A and B: Get a single beta code of game. Both are playing on that beta account. Both love it. Can't afford to buy a copy right now (Though saving for when it comes out. Good thing that's a few months!). Want to both play next BWE. I say 'Okay. I'll buy a copy for one of you right now'
Friend C: Wants to play it, has no job currently, makes money through freelance art, plans to save for it (Which is a horrible way to make money sometimes). I buy her a copy because I have a real job.
Even if they WEREN'T so enthusiastic about it, if a friend was just like 'Hey, I think I'd like to play it, but I'm not super sure', what's wrong with buying a friend a copy?
I've paid for friends to go to restaurants I like, because I hope they'll turn out to like it.
I've bought books for friends 'I liked this book. I think you will too!' In fact, isn't the whole IDEA of somebody buying GW2 for somebody (Say, as a gift), basically 'I think you'll like this'? Who seriously buys gifts for somebody they think they might NOT like? Unless it's a practical gift. (Oh thanks. Socks).
Do you just buy socks for people? Or things they already own? (I know you like Skyrim, so i bought you a second copy! You're welcome! )
Was anybody actually advocating buying it for people who you DON'T think will like it? If I like a product, and I think other people will like it as well, isn't that an ideal form of gift actually?
I find things I didn't even know I'd like a superior gift to things that I knew I'd like and probably would have gotten myself anyway.
Its a zero sum mentality that leaks into things where zero sum has no place. I have no idea why people are "against" games. Its ok to like or not like a game, or even be somewhere in between. But theres too many people on all these subforums that cannot grasp this simple fact. In order for their favorite whatever to "win", all others must "lose". That is the poison that spreads throughout social interaction right now.
and this is the problem I had with the OP, I cant stress enough the O-P not the responders many of them seemed to post with general excitment about the game including meowhead but as stated in the last reply I was bothered by the "war room" strategy tone to the post like for GW2 to be an enjoyable game it needs to crush the sub based genre and it is as dannyglover stated a problem I have with these boards they are more about what we don't like and killing it more than it's about actually propping up the games that we like.
I tend to take an eyeroll aproach to GW2 because of the way many of the games fans try to shit on everyother game that didn't meet their own expectations not because they are bad games they just aren't fun to them and they then take to alternating between bashing games they have no interest in then hyping the game they are interested in and you know what?
Not once have I bothered to try and bait these same people when they do present a post that shows they are pleased with the game they have before them but when they come off like this then I do feel a need to stand up and say something.
I'm fine with any one person buying as many copies of whatever game they like but what I would hope for is that it is because they find the game enjoyable and think the person they are giving it to will as well and not simply because someone has an ulterior motive to destroy subscription based gaming.
I did read the posts of some of the responders and saw no problem with alot of the responders as stated on numerous occasions I saw fault in the way the op presented this post it sounds more like a war room strategy to get all the GW2 fans together to kill off sub gaming than anything having to do with simply enjoying GW2.
I thought the OP reasoning was a bit silly myself, but you'll notice I didn't respond to you until your post about some people being silly for buying multiple copies, and like you put it 'for an entire football team'.
Honestly, every post I saw after the OP was just people mentioning they bought it for people they like, so I just thought that particular comment of yours was out of line.
If you want to talk about how the OP is a bit over the top, fine, but I think everybody else mentioning buying multiple copies brought a fairly reasonable tone and had perfectly legitimate reasons.
Also, to all the people saying they don't want people to buy you a copy, don't worry, we won't!
Though maybe we should start a fund to buy a copy for DannyGlover.
I did read the posts of some of the responders and saw no problem with alot of the responders as stated on numerous occasions I saw fault in the way the op presented this post it sounds more like a war room strategy to get all the GW2 fans together to kill off sub gaming than anything having to do with simply enjoying GW2.
I thought the OP reasoning was a bit silly myself, but you'll notice I didn't respond to you until your post about some people being silly for buying multiple copies, and like you put it 'for an entire football team'.
Honestly, every post I saw after the OP was just people mentioning they bought it for people they like, so I just thought that particular comment of yours was out of line.
If you want to talk about how the OP is a bit over the top, fine, but I think everybody else mentioning buying multiple copies brought a fairly reasonable tone and had perfectly legitimate reasons.
Also, to all the people saying they don't want people to buy you a copy, don't worry, we won't!
Though maybe we should start a fund to buy a copy for DannyGlover.
I only mentioned that in jest and in regards to another poster who was against buying multiple copies for whatever reasons, I was simply making a joke and considering what you have said and what I myself read the joke probably was in poor taste especially since you thought that it meant I was intending to throw a shot at either you or any of the other responders and for that I do apologize because quite frankly I agree with you 100 percent every person who has responded did so reasonably by mentioning buying a few copies for the kids and as you stated buying for a friend you know would appreciate the game.
And I am never against that but I think it's one of those things where I let what I read in the op seep into my summation of other posts I had read and again for that I apologize.
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Thank you for being a voice of reason unlike some of the foks I've seen talking about having spent hundreds already and having bought a copy for the entire football team etc. these are going to be the same people raging beyond belief the minute something in game doesn't go their way.
As stated earlier I saw alot of this kind of rabid fanboism in SWG and I don't know that it really helped them all that much either. As gamers we really need to understand and recognize many of these games we think of as shit are just fine for the people playing them and we should be ok with that, there is no reason to artifically pump up any one game over another if you like the game play it don't need to outfit the entire glee club with a copy if they like it they'll buy it and try it.
It really is a myth that somehow helping or hurting these companies with inflating or deflating tactics does something good for the genre it only makes us as a whole look like our priorities are really screwed up.
for me GW2 is more a "true" MMORPG than other i have try before.
what the hell is a true MMORPG? i bet this have something to do with raid grind...
I'm a suppoter of the game, but this post is as stupid as some of the hater posts I've read before.
I personally support a game (product/service) by purchasing it and then providing sensible feedback about it.
But I don't think it is strange or 'rabid fanboism' people purchasing some extra copies for friends. Humans are gregarious animals, and we like to have our loved ones close to us wherever we go. There's nothing wrong is doing so.
If you buy multiple copies of anything just to stash them in your closet, unused and unopened, then you need some specialized help
Holy crap, you never buy your friends gifts?
It's not the first game I've bought for friends, nor will it be the last. It's not even the most I've spent on a gaming product for other people.
I bought two DSes to give to people. That's a lot more than 2 copies of GW1.
It's not like I'm doing it 'just to support the publisher', otherwise I'd buy the copies and then... I dunno. Not give the password to anybody?
I'm doing it because I like my friends and I'm sharing.
Other people talk about buying it for their girlfriend, or kids, or nephews or whatever.
These people sound like nicer people than you. 'If my kid wanted to play this game, they'd get a job and buy it themselves!'.
I have friends who want to play the game and/or play the beta, and were short on cash. I'm like 'Hey, I can afford that. Don't sweat it. Happy birthday/Christmas'. What's wrong with that?
It's weird when people make an act of gift-giving sound like some sort of sign of impending insanity.
Christmas at your place must be a blast.
Well, I can think of a couple reasons to do that.
1. Sometimes unwrapped games are worth a lot more in the future. This isn't the worst idea with some very limited collector's editions (As opposed to the collector's editions where there's literally a million or more), or with games like say... Atlus games, where you know there will be a limited print run.
2. You could be a hardcore collector. I have a friend who bought multiple editions of Sakura Taisen, but they're all DIFFERENT types. Edition from another country, limited edition, edition to play, etc. This is pure collector nerdery, but it's no more insane than any other sort of collector/hobbyist.
3. It makes sense if it's say.... a physical thing that wears out. I know this isn't computer games now, but kind of related, like say... I know a few people who bought multiple copies of one Logitech mouse I can't even remember the number of, that's no longer made. It's the same damn mouse, too, I just can't remember the name of it. xD
1 and 2 are stone crazy, for me, at least within the scope we are talking about (mass produced or online distributed games) =P But, to each his own.
I do 3, but the difference is that I still aim to use this stuff. No problem buying some extras of something you use in a sale, for instance. I have got 1 mouse and 2 particular keyboards in this situation. But I'll have no qualms about popping them up if my current hardware breaks.
WoW will never die, if every american cancelled there sub it will still be up and running stong next month like nothing happened. I am happy for all the people out there that still log in and play WoW or any MMO for that matter. If they find something to keep there interest then good for them. Just keeps the market going and keeps investers eager in dumping mounds of cash for a new IP.
If there werent big AAA MMO developers out there like Blizzard the market would be alot slower pace if anything be thankful for that contribution. My time with WoW came and went but the last thing I would is tell someone else they shouldnt play because of X reason. GW2 is on my horizon as the next game for me. If anything I want to be there to promote the fact that I as a gamer wants a game that is trying something new or at least trying to wrap the present different. Every MMO on the market either has its place or had its place for a gamer. I cant stand games like Farmville but they keep my wife happy and thats a plus for me!
If you as a gamer dont like or understand a game then move on and I wish you the best, but leave that decision for others up to them.
On a side note, Nice stab and trying to get yourself a free game from someone. Hope it works, and if you get more than one send one my way!
Well, for 1 and 2, if you had said 'Crazy to do this with GW2', I'd agree, but you did say ANYTHING. I was even generous and mostly stuck with videogames.
I mean, I have two copies of Suikoden 2, one doesn't even have a case, and that copy WITHOUT a case or manual is worth like 150 bucks.
Have you SEEN the prices some unopened games go for? Thousands of dollars. It's not crazy when you're making a lot of money! it's just uh... eccentric?
Hey if someone bought me a copy, I wouldn't complain. Id be pretty stoked actually. That's a nice gift.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
He probably won't because what he usually does is post his hate comment once and leave to not reply unless the bait is good enough, but I'll tell you for him. TSW... :X
Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.
generally not with ulterior motives in mind I like to buy my friends gifts that I know they will like. not games that they may or may not like that I am just trying to inflate the purchase of.
Most of commentary too is in regards to the op's assertion wich honestly seems to have more to do with what he thinks of the game and where it should be in the world of mmo's and less about whether or not they will like it.
MMORPGs are a social gaming thing. You play it with your friends and often with family. I don't see anything out of character with buying the game for your kids, or whatever. Just by playing it yourself, you technically raise the value automatically for other people who might want to play something with you. Did you actually READ the posts of the people who bought it?
For example, I mentioned I did NOT buy it for my friend who thought they probably wouldn't like it.
Since you like attributing purely selfish reasons to people, I'll explain my two purchases.
Friends A and B: Get a single beta code of game. Both are playing on that beta account. Both love it. Can't afford to buy a copy right now (Though saving for when it comes out. Good thing that's a few months!). Want to both play next BWE. I say 'Okay. I'll buy a copy for one of you right now'
Friend C: Wants to play it, has no job currently, makes money through freelance art, plans to save for it (Which is a horrible way to make money sometimes). I buy her a copy because I have a real job.
Even if they WEREN'T so enthusiastic about it, if a friend was just like 'Hey, I think I'd like to play it, but I'm not super sure', what's wrong with buying a friend a copy?
I've paid for friends to go to restaurants I like, because I hope they'll turn out to like it.
I've bought books for friends 'I liked this book. I think you will too!' In fact, isn't the whole IDEA of somebody buying GW2 for somebody (Say, as a gift), basically 'I think you'll like this'? Who seriously buys gifts for somebody they think they might NOT like? Unless it's a practical gift. (Oh thanks. Socks).
Do you just buy socks for people? Or things they already own?
(I know you like Skyrim, so i bought you a second copy! You're welcome! 
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Was anybody actually advocating buying it for people who you DON'T think will like it? If I like a product, and I think other people will like it as well, isn't that an ideal form of gift actually?
I find things I didn't even know I'd like a superior gift to things that I knew I'd like and probably would have gotten myself anyway.
For example, I mentioned I did NOT buy it for my friend who thought they probably wouldn't like it.
Since you like attributing purely selfish reasons to people, I'll explain my two purchases.
Friends A and B: Get a single beta code of game. Both are playing on that beta account. Both love it. Can't afford to buy a copy right now (Though saving for when it comes out. Good thing that's a few months!). Want to both play next BWE. I say 'Okay. I'll buy a copy for one of you right now'
Friend C: Wants to play it, has no job currently, makes money through freelance art, plans to save for it (Which is a horrible way to make money sometimes). I buy her a copy because I have a real job.
Even if they WEREN'T so enthusiastic about it, if a friend was just like 'Hey, I think I'd like to play it, but I'm not super sure', what's wrong with buying a friend a copy?
I've paid for friends to go to restaurants I like, because I hope they'll turn out to like it.
I've bought books for friends 'I liked this book. I think you will too!' In fact, isn't the whole IDEA of somebody buying GW2 for somebody (Say, as a gift), basically 'I think you'll like this'? Who seriously buys gifts for somebody they think they might NOT like? Unless it's a practical gift. (Oh thanks. Socks).
Do you just buy socks for people? Or things they already own?
(I know you like Skyrim, so i bought you a second copy! You're welcome! 
)
Was anybody actually advocating buying it for people who you DON'T think will like it? If I like a product, and I think other people will like it as well, isn't that an ideal form of gift actually?
I find things I didn't even know I'd like a superior gift to things that I knew I'd like and probably would have gotten myself anyway.
Its a zero sum mentality that leaks into things where zero sum has no place. I have no idea why people are "against" games. Its ok to like or not like a game, or even be somewhere in between. But theres too many people on all these subforums that cannot grasp this simple fact. In order for their favorite whatever to "win", all others must "lose". That is the poison that spreads throughout social interaction right now.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Bought it for both my kids... Already way more enjoyment than 2 other games I got for myself.
See you in structured PvP :-)
(Did'nt get my wife a copy though - It won't run on an iPad)
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)
What a stupid idea. If someone bought this game for me, I'd feel pity for them for wasting their money.
i can haz box pl0x?
good idea though. would be cool if MMORPG hooked up with STEAM or Walmart or w.e and sold copies which if you bought 2, gave you the ability to post on the games forums.
heh that'll never work .. good idea tho.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I'd rather spend the rest of my money on charity. You know, helping people who don't have clothes to wear or food to eat. People who haven't seen a computer in their whole life or read a book. Rather then providing games for my friends who already live quite luxurious lives.
Following this logic, no one should play games or have entertainment devices at all.
There are numerous ways to help people in need without giving hard cash (which is usually the worst possible option). And there is nothing wrong to use your hard-earned money doing whatever you want, without any guilt.
honestly though the issue is that the people I actually associate with in my real everyday life don't play mmorpg's many of them who game I talked into trying mmorpgs and learned they don't like that type of gaming so I can only speak to my own personal experience not yours.
I realize many on these boards do have lot's of friends they deal with in real life who do game alot and may even play mmorpgs but I don't hence my stance.
Obviously if you associate with alot of people who game and more specifically play mmorpgs and you can also afford to buy tons of copies of a game be my guest and more power to you but as usual it's pretty difficult to view thngs and speak on things from someone elses perspective.
Going on what I read from the OP not any of the responders it sounds more like a ploy to try and kill off sub based games he doesn't speak about opening peoples eyes to the fun that is GW2 (though it is obviously implied) the post looks like a "troja horse" like you buy them the game they will find it so fun they will quit the sub based games they like and hence help to kill the sub based genre that is what I am against not sharing with friends or family.
I am an emcee and hang out with mostly musicians and producers and many of them would rather go to a pub a club or just a slamming party they aren't going to spend many if any nights tied to a computer gaming as I do so a video game would never be a nice gift for them but by all means if you think a friend would enjoy the game with you then I see nothing wrong with helping see them in with a gift.
I did read the posts of some of the responders and saw no problem with alot of the responders as stated on numerous occasions I saw fault in the way the op presented this post it sounds more like a war room strategy to get all the GW2 fans together to kill off sub gaming than anything having to do with simply enjoying GW2.
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Following this logic? When did I say no one should play games or have entertainment? I like how you take things out of context. I posted regarding the OP's notion of supporting a company by buying multiple copies. It has nothing to do with self entertainment or gifts, I'm already getting my copy and thats enough for me.
Secondly, I never said there is anything wrong with using your money in w/e way you want to, did I? If you read my post it clearly said: "I'd rather" implying me not the whole humanity.
And lastly, how do you know I don't do volunteer work or help people aside from providing money? And no, providing money isn't the worst possible option, that's just your opinion.
and this is the problem I had with the OP, I cant stress enough the O-P not the responders many of them seemed to post with general excitment about the game including meowhead but as stated in the last reply I was bothered by the "war room" strategy tone to the post like for GW2 to be an enjoyable game it needs to crush the sub based genre and it is as dannyglover stated a problem I have with these boards they are more about what we don't like and killing it more than it's about actually propping up the games that we like.
I tend to take an eyeroll aproach to GW2 because of the way many of the games fans try to shit on everyother game that didn't meet their own expectations not because they are bad games they just aren't fun to them and they then take to alternating between bashing games they have no interest in then hyping the game they are interested in and you know what?
Not once have I bothered to try and bait these same people when they do present a post that shows they are pleased with the game they have before them but when they come off like this then I do feel a need to stand up and say something.
I'm fine with any one person buying as many copies of whatever game they like but what I would hope for is that it is because they find the game enjoyable and think the person they are giving it to will as well and not simply because someone has an ulterior motive to destroy subscription based gaming.
I thought the OP reasoning was a bit silly myself, but you'll notice I didn't respond to you until your post about some people being silly for buying multiple copies, and like you put it 'for an entire football team'.
Honestly, every post I saw after the OP was just people mentioning they bought it for people they like, so I just thought that particular comment of yours was out of line.
If you want to talk about how the OP is a bit over the top, fine, but I think everybody else mentioning buying multiple copies brought a fairly reasonable tone and had perfectly legitimate reasons.
Also, to all the people saying they don't want people to buy you a copy, don't worry, we won't!
Though maybe we should start a fund to buy a copy for DannyGlover.
I only mentioned that in jest and in regards to another poster who was against buying multiple copies for whatever reasons, I was simply making a joke and considering what you have said and what I myself read the joke probably was in poor taste especially since you thought that it meant I was intending to throw a shot at either you or any of the other responders and for that I do apologize because quite frankly I agree with you 100 percent every person who has responded did so reasonably by mentioning buying a few copies for the kids and as you stated buying for a friend you know would appreciate the game.
And I am never against that but I think it's one of those things where I let what I read in the op seep into my summation of other posts I had read and again for that I apologize.