Originally posted by daelnor Something else...if 100 white men go for a job, and 1 black man goes for a job, is it REALLY a big deal who gets the job and who doesn't? Many of you will say yes....and THAT is the problem with this country. Not discrimination, not reparations, not affirmative action, not reverse discrimination. We are a country that refuses to rise up from our own ignorance.Its not about a white person getting a job over a black person, or a black person getting a job over a latino person, its about a person getting a job. How many of you have spent your whole lives saying things like, "why has it got to be about a BLACK man?" Or man, that person acts so WHITE?" The same equality that has been fought over years and years will never happen because people won't let it. As long as people are fighting over " I deserve affirmative action because there's not as many black people as white people" or " I can't get a job because they are giving all the jobs to minorities" nothing will ever change. People need to wake up and rise up from this ignorance. We are not black and white, we are people. Get over it. There is no place for racism and discrimination in this world, and there is no place for special treatment because your grand dad was discriminated against and you think the man is holding you down.
OH MAN i really really wish this could become a reality.. I can't wait for the day where I date a white girl and her parents don't force her to break up with me... A world where I can bring a white girl home to MY parents and not have them scorn her.... A world where I can walk into a job interview and have the interviewer talk to me the same way he is conversing with the white guy next to me, they seem like such friends..... A world where White people actuallly live in ALL (keyword ALL) the same areas and share the community equally... But until then... Minorities dont DESERVE to get anything... they NEED a fighting chance though... Because right now... it's the Aztecs VS the Mongols... (not meaning a real fight.. I just mean the fight against segragation/ And no the Aztecs never fought the mongols.... just referring to size of armies) When that day comes though... I will have no other purpose in life ....
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Now a days things are the other way around from what they use to be... everyone but white people get the benefits. plus white people are not the majority any more, i think its mexicans.
Your all hypocrits.. Thats all I can say.... Why would you give a short person a job or even notice that they are short? What about that tall and medium sized? Your saying being short is bad??? Wow You all baffle me. Oh and for the black population, You all mostly bring it upon yourselves, No one is trying to show racism towards you... No one. Everyone needs to get over themselves.
Originally posted by methane47 Originally posted by Hifructose 1000 people apply for one job. 995 of them are over 5 feet tall. Chances are, someone over 5 feet tall will get that job. Should we have affirmative action to increase the chances of short people getting that job? And your heritage explanation does not explain all of the poor immigrants and indentured servants, which I'm sure they and those related to them make up more white people here than the ones who owned plantations. And it's those people who are getting screwed as I said.
Yes if 1000 people apply for one job and 995 of them are over 5 feet tall... there should be something to atleast help the short person get a job... And if you dont think so well then I guess you dont think that having Disabled Parking Spaces are neccessary in the world.. or I guess you dont think that people that can't walk should be able to have a wheel chair... or I guess you THINK that people that are blind should be forced to read. Well maybe you dont agree with me that disadvantaged people should have that extra helping hand... well then go ahead and get rid of Welfare... for white AND minority people... HealthCare... Do away with it... Because Everyone should have the SAME EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT?
Here's a list of scholorships that you wouldn't understand.. HERE and if you're too lazy to check it I'll list a few... Little People of America Scholarship; Tall Clubs International (TCI) Scholarship; Vegetarian Resource Group Scholarship; Scholarship for Left-Handed Students
You know what people should just do away with scholorships PERIOD because the reason scholorships exist is for people that aren't well off. We should just have a society where every has the exact same chances... So that means No exceptions for anyone... Man I would LOVE to live in your country
READ THIS--> I'm not for Affirmative action... I'm not for Racism... But if you know ANYTHing at all about Probabilty you will understand why less fortunate people NEED a helping hand.. an extra push...
C'mon man. You don't have to resort to this. You're being ridiculous. Just because I think that when people apply for a job the only factor that should matter is their ability to do the job; that makes me think handicapped people shouldn't have wheelchairs?
You wanna talk probability? Ok. well lets say 1000 people are applying to a college, 100 are black, 900 are white. if they only let in 500 people and everyone is equal so it basically becomes random then I'm willing to bet they will choose about 450 white people and 50 black people. Now why can't we look at America as one big college with 500 jobs (spaces at college) open. In the end, even with only one person chosen at a time, you will still end up with about 50 black people and 450 white. It is the same; think about it. 1000 people apply, they choose a white person, well now the chances are slightly better for blacks, and every time a choice is made if it is a white person the chances just keep getting better and it will come out the same as just choosing 500 out of 1000; and when you choose 500 out of 1000 you are still only choosing one person at a time. What's wrong with having a jobplace with a demographic that accurately reflects the population?
This has absolutely nothing to do with blind or disabled people. They do not get parking spaces and assistance because there are less of them...
You talk about this like it's a war and a vs. but it's that mentality that is causing the problems. There are less black people but if there is an equal chance there will be an identical ratio or proportion of black people employed vs. white people as there are black people vs. white people in the population. I guess you want more black people to work proportionally than there are in the population? What will this accomplish? More black people in the future and a more equal distribution in the population between races? Why would we want that. YOU are creating the distinctions. You say you want to date a white girl, but that will never happen if we keep thinking in terms of races like this. What is even the point of saying black or white? this is a distinction YOU are making. YOU are saying that black people should have a better chance etc. I don't even see black people; I just see people. If you line up all the people in the world, you will not see four or five sections, whites, blacks, yellows, reds, whatever. you will see a full spectrum of color with each shade of skin being different somehow even within races. And that is all we're talking about here. Skin. One trait. Human Skin comes in such a mindboggling vast array of different colors but YOU are the one making distinctions and simplifying humans, of which every one is different into just a few categories.
Originally posted by methane47 OH MAN i really really wish this could become a reality.. I can't wait for the day where I date a white girl and her parents don't force her to break up with me... A world where I can bring a white girl home to MY parents and not have them scorn her.... A world where I can walk into a job interview and have the interviewer talk to me the same way he is conversing with the white guy next to me, they seem like such friends..... A world where White people actuallly live in ALL (keyword ALL) the same areas and share the community equally... But until then...
You think I don't know what you mean. I am not black, but my mother is from Trinidad and Tobago, her family is Indian. My father is white. My parents never had a problem with me bringing home a black girl, or a mexican girl, or an asian girl, unless they were bad people, but that has nothing to do with race. I HAVE, however, dropped a white girlfriend off at her house, and had her dad chase me out of the yard screaming that he wouldn't have his daughter dating a sand N*&&^% and threatened to kill me, and a few other not so nice examples.
There are and will always be ignorant jerks in the world. My point is equality won't be reached..until everyone is treated the same. It has nothing to do with how many black people got hired vs. how many white people got hired, though that is the way things will continue to work. Its all about who is best qualified to do the job.
I am in the military at the moment, and I can say that it has changed my viewpoints dramatically. I had my own biases and ignorant opinions when I first joined, but I've been around the world twice, been to many other countries, worked with probably damn near every ethnicity you can think of, and I learned a valuable lesson from it all. The world is only as ignorant as you let it be. No, we can't make everything perfect today, but you know where it starts? It starts with you, and hopefully you can influence the guy next to you to do the right thing.
Forcing people to hire certain ethnicities doesn't do anything to help, except on paper, it incites ill will and hatred.
Scholarships, when given for reason of scholastic aptitude, or civic accomplishment, or even grants for those who lack the money, but have the desire to go to college, are totally different. Scholarships given for what color your skin is, have, I think, the wrong idea, however well meaning. But hell, if you can get them because your skin is red, green, purple and make yourself better by it, by all means take it and run.
Welfare, I saw that brought up somewhere in one of these posts, is a valuable community help program, when it is not abused. That whole program needs to be re-evaluated. The trash that stay on welfare for multiple generations are dragging the rest of us down. Welfare needs to be for a short period of time (maybe a couple years at most) with requirements of the people on it, i.e. learning a trade, vocation, earning a degree, etc. The problem with that is that the government would somehow have to supply this education to people, but it could be done. Hell, some of the people that go through the program could be hired back into it, to teach others, or watch their children while they attend classes, etc.
As far as having an interviewer talk to you the same way as the white guy next to you...why is he talking to him different? Is it simply because of skin color? Or is that just the easiest assumption? Presentation of yourself and first impressions go waaay far. If you speak as intelligently as the guy next to you, dress as professional, have the same manners, the same education, the same experience, and you are being looked down upon, then yes, there is a problem that needs to be addressed.
However, if you are not presenting yourself with a professional appearance, if you do not have good grammar and are not groomed accordingly to the position you are trying to achieve, and the other person is, it has nothing to do with race, but your attitude. I can't say which is which, you sound very intelligent on these forums(Methane47), but those are just a couple things I have learned over the years. If you have been discriminated against, I am sorry, and the company probably wasn't worth your time anyway, and hopefully that guy got hit by a train on his way home from work that day.
Originally posted by Hifructose C'mon man. You don't have to resort to this. You're being ridiculous. Just because I think that when people apply for a job the only factor that should matter is their ability to do the job; that makes me think handicapped people shouldn't have wheelchairs? You wanna talk probability? Ok. well lets say 1000 people are applying to a college, 100 are black, 900 are white. if they only let in 500 people and everyone is equal so it basically becomes random then I'm willing to bet they will choose about 450 white people and 50 black people. Now why can't we look at America as one big college with 500 jobs (spaces at college) open. In the end, even with only one person chosen at a time, you will still end up with about 50 black people and 450 white. It is the same; think about it. 1000 people apply, they choose a white person, well now the chances are slightly better for blacks, and every time a choice is made if it is a white person the chances just keep getting better and it will come out the same as just choosing 500 out of 1000; and when you choose 500 out of 1000 you are still only choosing one person at a time. What's wrong with having a jobplace with a demographic that accurately reflects the population? This has absolutely nothing to do with blind or disabled people. They do not get parking spaces and assistance because there are less of them...You talk about this like it's a war and a vs. but it's that mentality that is causing the problems. There are less black people but if there is an equal chance there will be an identical ratio or proportion of black people employed vs. white people as there are black people vs. white people in the population. I guess you want more black people to work proportionally than there are in the population? What will this accomplish? More black people in the future and a more equal distribution in the population between races? Why would we want that. YOU are creating the distinctions. You say you want to date a white girl, but that will never happen if we keep thinking in terms of races like this. What is even the point of saying black or white? this is a distinction YOU are making. YOU are saying that black people should have a better chance etc. I don't even see black people; I just see people. If you line up all the people in the world, you will not see four or five sections, whites, blacks, yellows, reds, whatever. you will see a full spectrum of color with each shade of skin being different somehow even within races. And that is all we're talking about here. Skin. One trait. Human Skin comes in such a mindboggling vast array of different colors but YOU are the one making distinctions and simplifying humans, of which every one is different into just a few categories.
Well probability shows that percentages only even out as equal as the number of tests approach infinity And I explicity stated that I was referring to fight as in a fight against inequality... Now If you are threatened by your status, I had no intention to cause that... But ok for the sake of the argument... IF!!! 1000 students apply to a college and 100 are minorities and 900 are white and 450 white folk get into college and 50 minorities get in. Why do you think when an extra 5 minority kids are allowed into the school there is such a huge uproar in the community?
Sooo here we have 450 white kids.. and 55 minority kids.... But it's unfair because 5 where given a special opportunity?
The Reference to handicapped people Does signify a less populous people... Ok if everyone in the WORLD had one arm... would they get handicapped parking near the entrance of a store? Ofcourse not... because EVERyone has the same condition... If Everyone in the World had no feet... do you think people that use wheelchairs will get handicapped parking? OF COURSE NOT!!! because handicapped refers to people that are are at a disadvantage from the majority of the society. Special consideration is always given to minorities... but it's only a problem when Racial minorities start benefitting.. however minute the amount is... as soon as they benefit from it, it's a huge problem... And no if you;ve read myposts... I am not talking about racism... I'm just saying that the majority people should be given a helping hand.....
I hope you can let those extra 5 minority kids get a chance... I mean they're not trying to steal your way of life... i just hope you understand enough that you wont steal away Their life... for this battle on giving everysingle person a fair chance....
And if you look at my earlier post you will see that Unemployment is NOT equal between races... Just a question... Why exactly DO you think that Unemployment is more abundant within minority races?
PLEASE answer that question... I really want to know what you have to say... Because if what you say is true... The percentages should be equal... the same percent of whites should be employed as the hispanics and blacks and latino? right?
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Originally posted by Hifructose C'mon man. You don't have to resort to this. You're being ridiculous. Just because I think that when people apply for a job the only factor that should matter is their ability to do the job; that makes me think handicapped people shouldn't have wheelchairs?
You wanna talk probability? Ok. well lets say 1000 people are applying to a college, 100 are black, 900 are white. if they only let in 500 people and everyone is equal so it basically becomes random then I'm willing to bet they will choose about 450 white people and 50 black people. Now why can't we look at America as one big college with 500 jobs (spaces at college) open. In the end, even with only one person chosen at a time, you will still end up with about 50 black people and 450 white. It is the same; think about it. 1000 people apply, they choose a white person, well now the chances are slightly better for blacks, and every time a choice is made if it is a white person the chances just keep getting better and it will come out the same as just choosing 500 out of 1000; and when you choose 500 out of 1000 you are still only choosing one person at a time. What's wrong with having a jobplace with a demographic that accurately reflects the population? This has absolutely nothing to do with blind or disabled people. They do not get parking spaces and assistance because there are less of them... You talk about this like it's a war and a vs. but it's that mentality that is causing the problems. There are less black people but if there is an equal chance there will be an identical ratio or proportion of black people employed vs. white people as there are black people vs. white people in the population. I guess you want more black people to work proportionally than there are in the population? What will this accomplish? More black people in the future and a more equal distribution in the population between races? Why would we want that. YOU are creating the distinctions. You say you want to date a white girl, but that will never happen if we keep thinking in terms of races like this. What is even the point of saying black or white? this is a distinction YOU are making. YOU are saying that black people should have a better chance etc. I don't even see black people; I just see people. If you line up all the people in the world, you will not see four or five sections, whites, blacks, yellows, reds, whatever. you will see a full spectrum of color with each shade of skin being different somehow even within races. And that is all we're talking about here. Skin. One trait. Human Skin comes in such a mindboggling vast array of different colors but YOU are the one making distinctions and simplifying humans, of which every one is different into just a few categories.
Well probability shows that percentages only even out as equal as the number of tests approach infinity And I explicity stated that I was referring to fight as in a fight against inequality... Now If you are threatened by your status, I had no intention to cause that... But ok for the sake of the argument... IF!!! 1000 students apply to a college and 100 are minorities and 900 are white and 450 white folk get into college and 50 minorities get in. Why do you think when an extra 5 minority kids are allowed into the school there is such a huge uproar in the community?
Sooo here we have 450 white kids.. and 55 minority kids.... But it's unfair because 5 where given a special opportunity?
The Reference to handicapped people Does signify a less populous people... Ok if everyone in the WORLD had one arm... would they get handicapped parking near the entrance of a store? Ofcourse not... because EVERyone has the same condition... If Everyone in the World had no feet... do you think people that use wheelchairs will get handicapped parking? OF COURSE NOT!!! because handicapped refers to people that are are at a disadvantage from the majority of the society. Special consideration is always given to minorities... but it's only a problem when Racial minorities start benefitting.. however minute the amount is... as soon as they benefit from it, it's a huge problem... And no if you;ve read myposts... I am not talking about racism... I'm just saying that the majority people should be given a helping hand.....
I hope you can let those extra 5 minority kids get a chance... I mean they're not trying to steal your way of life... i just hope you understand enough that you wont steal away Their life... for this battle on giving everysingle person a fair chance....
And if you look at my earlier post you will see that Unemployment is NOT equal between races... Just a question... Why exactly DO you think that Unemployment is more abundant within minority races?
PLEASE answer that question... I really want to know what you have to say... Because if what you say is true... The percentages should be equal... the same percent of whites should be employed as the hispanics and blacks and latino? right?
Its unfair if those 5 bumped 5 more qualified. And there is not one intelligent thing you can say that makes 5 lesser qualified people getting a job or going to college over 5 more qualified people FAIR. Nothing at all.
The question you want him to answer about unemployment could be one of many things. One could be more reside in areas with less jobs. But im thinking you were hoping his answer would be , they dont want to work. In effect making him look racist or misinformed.
Originally posted by daelnor You think I don't know what you mean. I am not black, but my mother is from Trinidad and Tobago, her family is Indian. My father is white. My parents never had a problem with me bringing home a black girl, or a mexican girl, or an asian girl, unless they were bad people, but that has nothing to do with race. I HAVE, however, dropped a white girlfriend off at her house, and had her dad chase me out of the yard screaming that he wouldn't have his daughter dating a sand N*&&^% and threatened to kill me, and a few other not so nice examples.There are and will always be ignorant jerks in the world. My point is equality won't be reached..until everyone is treated the same. It has nothing to do with how many black people got hired vs. how many white people got hired, though that is the way things will continue to work. Its all about who is best qualified to do the job.I am in the military at the moment, and I can say that it has changed my viewpoints dramatically. I had my own biases and ignorant opinions when I first joined, but I've been around the world twice, been to many other countries, worked with probably damn near every ethnicity you can think of, and I learned a valuable lesson from it all. The world is only as ignorant as you let it be. No, we can't make everything perfect today, but you know where it starts? It starts with you, and hopefully you can influence the guy next to you to do the right thing. Forcing people to hire certain ethnicities doesn't do anything to help, except on paper, it incites ill will and hatred.Scholarships, when given for reason of scholastic aptitude, or civic accomplishment, or even grants for those who lack the money, but have the desire to go to college, are totally different. Scholarships given for what color your skin is, have, I think, the wrong idea, however well meaning. But hell, if you can get them because your skin is red, green, purple and make yourself better by it, by all means take it and run.Welfare, I saw that brought up somewhere in one of these posts, is a valuable community help program, when it is not abused. That whole program needs to be re-evaluated. The trash that stay on welfare for multiple generations are dragging the rest of us down. Welfare needs to be for a short period of time (maybe a couple years at most) with requirements of the people on it, i.e. learning a trade, vocation, earning a degree, etc. The problem with that is that the government would somehow have to supply this education to people, but it could be done. Hell, some of the people that go through the program could be hired back into it, to teach others, or watch their children while they attend classes, etc. As far as having an interviewer talk to you the same way as the white guy next to you...why is he talking to him different? Is it simply because of skin color? Or is that just the easiest assumption? Presentation of yourself and first impressions go waaay far. If you speak as intelligently as the guy next to you, dress as professional, have the same manners, the same education, the same experience, and you are being looked down upon, then yes, there is a problem that needs to be addressed.However, if you are not presenting yourself with a professional appearance, if you do not have good grammar and are not groomed accordingly to the position you are trying to achieve, and the other person is, it has nothing to do with race, but your attitude. I can't say which is which, you sound very intelligent on these forums(Methane47), but those are just a couple things I have learned over the years. If you have been discriminated against, I am sorry, and the company probably wasn't worth your time anyway, and hopefully that guy got hit by a train on his way home from work that day.
I really apreciate that man... The thing about me is that I know racism exists in many of its forms... But I never never let that get me down... I just want more minorities to get out there into the job market and build themselves as a people... And for that Post i made.. I was really commenting that i really WOULD like to see when everyone sees everyone else as just another person... and not a Juan... not a Chan not a Shaniqua... Just another person... And that equality hasn't been reached yet but until then I want minorities to advance themselves... become a bigger part of society... THATs what i want....
I'm not even fighting racism in these posts.. I'm just defending the company that is giving those internships out to Minorities... Because ok here's the raw truth... Minorities are poorer than White folk (statistically go search it yourself if you dont believe... So Minorities are much less likely to get an education because why? they can't Afford it... And I dont like the fact that people are bashing a company just because they are giving opportunities to less fortunate people (By Statistics). And then the scholorships and internships are Still based on Merit and ability.. No one will be getting anything that they dont deserve.... It's just that without some of these opportunities... Then Minorities won't be able to get educated and that's just sad....
and before you say it I KNOW there are poor white folk out there... And i'm not trying to take away their chances... but if a company wants to take it upon themselves to make NEW opportunities... not taking away the present opportunities... THen I'm not Going to attack them and Threaten to sue them for discrimination... That's why i dont have a problem with people getting a scholorship for being Left handed... or recieving one for being short, or tall, or getting a scholarship because you are a woman.... Because minorities need that... and that is true talk. YES there are scholorships and internship opportunities only available to women... I wonder why THAT is..
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Originally posted by Bama1267 Its unfair if those 5 bumped 5 more qualified. And there is not one intelligent thing you can say that makes 5 lesser qualified people getting a job or going to college over 5 more qualified people FAIR. Nothing at all. The question you want him to answer about unemployment could be one of many things. One could be more reside in areas with less jobs. But im thinking you were hoping his answer would be , they dont want to work. In effect making him look racist or misinformed.
While i suspect that that was just a post to make me annoyed with answering stupid posts... I will respond as though it was duly intended...
The Condition was that everyone had an equal opportunity... Implying that they all had merits and achievements equal to one another. ANd if you are stating that White people are always more qualified than minorities... well then I can say nothing about that... But it seems as if that was not your intention so the first Condition holds True.
And about residing in areas with less jobs.... The statistics hold for the entire country... Minority groups are all more (percentage wize) unemployed than White people... IF you are meaning to tell me that It's MINORITies fault because the CHOOSE to go live in a place where there are no jobs... then you just have no idea what you are speaking of... I'm not even going to go into the slippery slope argument because it's just stupid... but for Bama1267: Why do the minorities CHOOSE to live where there aren't any jobs? And for the rest of you.... The first question is still up for grabs..
PS: THe unemployment rate in 2002 for minorities was almost double that of the unemployment rate in the same month same year for white folk.... something like 4.9% for whites and 8.9% for non-white do with that information what you may...
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I'm not even fighting racism in these posts.. I'm just defending the company that is giving those internships out to Minorities... Because ok here's the raw truth... Minorities are poorer than White folk (statistically go search it yourself if you dont believe... So Minorities are much less likely to get an education because why? they can't Afford it...
Actually. That's not true. Asians make the highest national per capita income of all ethnicities, even $10,000 more than whites. They also to my understanding are one of the smallest minorities. We should all take a note from their book and put it to good use.
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Originally posted by methane47 Originally posted by Hifructose C'mon man. You don't have to resort to this. You're being ridiculous. Just because I think that when people apply for a job the only factor that should matter is their ability to do the job; that makes me think handicapped people shouldn't have wheelchairs? You wanna talk probability? Ok. well lets say 1000 people are applying to a college, 100 are black, 900 are white. if they only let in 500 people and everyone is equal so it basically becomes random then I'm willing to bet they will choose about 450 white people and 50 black people. Now why can't we look at America as one big college with 500 jobs (spaces at college) open. In the end, even with only one person chosen at a time, you will still end up with about 50 black people and 450 white. It is the same; think about it. 1000 people apply, they choose a white person, well now the chances are slightly better for blacks, and every time a choice is made if it is a white person the chances just keep getting better and it will come out the same as just choosing 500 out of 1000; and when you choose 500 out of 1000 you are still only choosing one person at a time. What's wrong with having a jobplace with a demographic that accurately reflects the population? This has absolutely nothing to do with blind or disabled people. They do not get parking spaces and assistance because there are less of them...You talk about this like it's a war and a vs. but it's that mentality that is causing the problems. There are less black people but if there is an equal chance there will be an identical ratio or proportion of black people employed vs. white people as there are black people vs. white people in the population. I guess you want more black people to work proportionally than there are in the population? What will this accomplish? More black people in the future and a more equal distribution in the population between races? Why would we want that. YOU are creating the distinctions. You say you want to date a white girl, but that will never happen if we keep thinking in terms of races like this. What is even the point of saying black or white? this is a distinction YOU are making. YOU are saying that black people should have a better chance etc. I don't even see black people; I just see people. If you line up all the people in the world, you will not see four or five sections, whites, blacks, yellows, reds, whatever. you will see a full spectrum of color with each shade of skin being different somehow even within races. And that is all we're talking about here. Skin. One trait. Human Skin comes in such a mindboggling vast array of different colors but YOU are the one making distinctions and simplifying humans, of which every one is different into just a few categories.
Well probability shows that percentages only even out as equal as the number of tests approach infinity And I explicity stated that I was referring to fight as in a fight against inequality... Now If you are threatened by your status, I had no intention to cause that... But ok for the sake of the argument... IF!!! 1000 students apply to a college and 100 are minorities and 900 are white and 450 white folk get into college and 50 minorities get in. Why do you think when an extra 5 minority kids are allowed into the school there is such a huge uproar in the community?
Sooo here we have 450 white kids.. and 55 minority kids.... But it's unfair because 5 where given a special opportunity?
The Reference to handicapped people Does signify a less populous people... Ok if everyone in the WORLD had one arm... would they get handicapped parking near the entrance of a store? Ofcourse not... because EVERyone has the same condition... If Everyone in the World had no feet... do you think people that use wheelchairs will get handicapped parking? OF COURSE NOT!!! because handicapped refers to people that are are at a disadvantage from the majority of the society. Special consideration is always given to minorities... but it's only a problem when Racial minorities start benefitting.. however minute the amount is... as soon as they benefit from it, it's a huge problem... And no if you;ve read myposts... I am not talking about racism... I'm just saying that the majority people should be given a helping hand.....
I hope you can let those extra 5 minority kids get a chance... I mean they're not trying to steal your way of life... i just hope you understand enough that you wont steal away Their life... for this battle on giving everysingle person a fair chance....
And if you look at my earlier post you will see that Unemployment is NOT equal between races... Just a question... Why exactly DO you think that Unemployment is more abundant within minority races?
PLEASE answer that question... I really want to know what you have to say... Because if what you say is true... The percentages should be equal... the same percent of whites should be employed as the hispanics and blacks and latino? right?
I won't pretend to know exactly why unemployment is higher in some minorities. There are probably many factors, and yes with blacks (a group that exists only in your mind as you segregate us all into groups) slavery was probably a big part of it. But it is not the fact that there are more white people, especially if everyone is forced not to consider race anymore. And there isn't much we can do to go back and fix slavery; all of our solutions only exclude and disdvantage other people of whom neither they or their ancestors had anything to do with slavery. And if we start going back and trying to equal out for every atrocity to every type of people, not only are we prepetuating classifying types of people based on stupid things, but it will probably all even out in the end because EVERYONE has had atrocities happen to them.
Even if things only even out perfectly towards infinity, are there not going to be an infinite number of chances over time? I guess you are worried because there is a chance that less percent of blacks will get hired than percent of whites simply due to chance, but there is an equal chance that the opposite will happen so what's unfair about that? Your whole example with the 450 majority and 55 minority is a pretty bad one, because we are assuming there are only 500 openings. Maybe that was just a mistake. But if say only 445 majority people get in and 55 minority because the original was 450 and 50, yes that is unfair and not to the minority. Now instead of 50% of whites getting in and 50% of blacks getting in it is now a higher percentage of blacks getting in. That is unfair. At first every one individual had a 1/1000 chance, now if they are white their chances are not 1/1000. That is unfair. What are you going to say? There are too many white people so that's ok? Maybe I don't want to be lumped together into a group. Maybe I take offense to being classified as a white person and having all my complexities ignored. I have a worse chance now of getting in because I am white and I don't even believe in white and black. That is unfair.
The handicap analogy is still a bad one. You say handicapped people are people who are at a disadvantage from the majority. What is the disadvantage of blacks? Is it that more of them are poor? Who's fault is that? I don't know, but it's not the people who suffer when quotas have to be filled for minorities.
I can't see it at the moment but you said in an earlier post that you just want minorities to have a chance to advance as a people? What is this racist crap? Why should they even be separated into a people. That is you making the distinctions that are going to keep true equality from ever happening.
You and I are actually arguing for the same thing in some ways you know. You want every possible trait is in the minority to get a better chance than just the ratio of them to the population without that trait. When it all comes down to it, each and every individual is a minority because they are different in some way from every other person on earth. Each person is different from every other person in America so we all deserve the same 1/6 million chance or whatever. I want every individual to have the same exact chance, and if you want every possible trait to be considered you are forced to see 6 million entirely different entities 6 million minorities and they all deserve the same chance. Well I guess, according to you each and every one of them deserves an advantage, but of course that's impossible because if you gave an advantage to every minority you would give one to every single person and they would be equal again. They are 6 million and they are all considred a minority, an individual, so in separating them and distinguishing each and every individual we have actually made them all exactly equal. And that is zen my friend. Where infinity ends and makes sense.
This is rare for me - I shall say this with some difficulty so please bear with me.
I will detail my races for you - Italian German French American Indian French Dutch English - and many more.
I am a mutt. My ancestors on my fathers side of my family came over on boat from Italy which ported in Ellis Island NYC - long after slavery.
My ancestors on my mothers side came over long before that - but they were in the north, and never owned slaves. Some of my ancestors include Annie Oakley and Mary Queen of Scotts - also the builders and original owners of the La'Scalia opera house in Italy.
I consider myself White - or Caucasian because I am none of the above races perfectly.
So here it is - why should I suffer in losing a job to someone who is less qualified then I am - (This has happened to me with affirmative action before) - because some law maker (some twit in a 3 piece suit) decided to appease a mass of people for what was done to them over 100 years ago?
No offense ladies and gentleman lets look at it like this. I do not have medical insurance - I cannot afford it. The state will not cover me - but THANK GOD - they will cover my sons.
BUT - If I went into the county assistance office; wrote down on the application that I was from Mexico, did my best not to speak a word of english while I was there and only spoke in spanish - I would have medical assistance, housing assistance, food stamps and cash assistance same day.
Do you know why? I do - Politics. This is why I do not usually mix politics with pleasure - as I see gaming as a pleasure and politics as a pain.
What can I do about it - NOTHING - not on my own - the only thing the average everyday person can do is make it known on election day how they feel - and that is basically "Which Liar do you think you can trust for the next 4 years day" because that is what they all are - LIARS.
Perfect example - We were all deplored about how long it took our government to get to New Orleans to help those poor people - Do we know why it took so long? It took so long because Louisianna is the "Welfare State" most of its population is very very poor - and poor people have no rights in the eyes of our government. It wasnt because they were black, white, yellow or blue, it was basic "How much money do they have?"
I did not own any slaves - I do not think anyone on these boards could be old enough to have owned any slaves. Affirmative action is discrimination - and I know that people who may be of a different race may feel that is not possible but it is it is discriminatory against anyone who would not be considered a "Minority".
**Special note: Discrimination - unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice Reverse - a relation of direct opposition Reverse Discrimination - the direct opposite of unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice.
Therefore - affirmative action is reverse discrimination as it something that is still based on the prejudice of this world.
Ok I am done ranting - I will finalize with this -
Why is it ok to hire a person based on their skin color under the disguise of affirmative action?
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Racism exists everywhere. Give a person a reason to claim superiority and someone will cling to that claim until they die. The fact is its not just a black thing. Racism has been used against almost every race even whites (in asia). It truly depends on the region of the world that you live in as to which group is being persecuted. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that theres no racism in america. In america you're free to believe whatever you want to (supposedly). I'm not going to piss in anyones cheerios by being a racist or telling people what they're allowed to believe.
On the issue of slavery again almost every race has been subject to slavery. The fact is that the only country in the world where slavery is still legal is the Sudan and in the Sudan its black on black slavery. For a black person to use slavery as an excuse pretty much defines the problem of todays black culture in america. Slavery has been abolished for more than 145 years. Todays generation wants to use the past as an excuse for not trying today. Other races were slaves far longer than the 250 years slavery was practiced in america. Jews were slaves for over 1000 years and were persecuted far longer.
Many Irish americans have great lives only 100 years after migrating to america. If you have any knowledge of american history you'd know that the Irish were looked at as lower than blacks for the longest time in america. The reason the stigma has been wiped out is because they didnt use that as an excuse not to try. The same goes for chinese people. From 1850 to 1950 chinese were treated like slaves here in america. I dont see todays generation of asian americans spouting racism as a defense for their lack of progress. I could care less about the color of someones skin and to be honest the vast majority of people i know feel exactly the same way. Honestly i know as many racist black people as i do racist native americans and asians - i think they're all a bit lacking in intelligence.
The world is not a carebear environment and it never will be. It's a dog eat dog world and the strongest and most intelligent come out on top. This is how life works. It's not pretty and its not fair but its the way it is.
Originally posted by Copeland Racism exists everywhere. Give a person a reason to claim superiority and someone will cling to that claim until they die. The fact is its not just a black thing. Racism has been used against almost every race even whites (in asia). It truly depends on the region of the world that you live in as to which group is being persecuted. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that theres no racism in america. In america you're free to believe whatever you want to (supposedly). I'm not going to piss in anyones cheerios by being a racist or telling people what they're allowed to believe. On the issue of slavery again almost every race has been subject to slavery. The fact is that the only country in the world where slavery is still legal is the Sudan and in the Sudan its black on black slavery. For a black person to use slavery as an excuse pretty much defines the problem of todays black culture in america. Slavery has been abolished for more than 145 years. Todays generation wants to use the past as an excuse for not trying today. Other races were slaves far longer than the 250 years slavery was practiced in america. Jews were slaves for over 1000 years and were persecuted far longer. Many Irish americans have great lives only 100 years after migrating to america. If you have any knowledge of american history you'd know that the Irish were looked at as lower than blacks for the longest time in america. The reason the stigma has been wiped out is because they didnt use that as an excuse not to try. The same goes for chinese people. From 1850 to 1950 chinese were treated like slaves here in america. I dont see todays generation of asian americans spouting racism as a defense for their lack of progress. I could care less about the color of someones skin and to be honest the vast majority of people i know feel exactly the same way. Honestly i know as many racist black people as i do racist native americans and asians - i think they're all a bit lacking in intelligence. The world is not a carebear environment and it never will be. It's a dog eat dog world and the strongest and most intelligent come out on top. This is how life works. It's not pretty and its not fair but its the way it is.
Well said Copeland! You pretty much covered it better than I could ever have. While speaking about slavery in America in the 1800's we must keep in mind the following facts.
1. The Imammancipation Proclamation freed not a single slave. At the time Lincoln laid that out
he wasnt the President of the southern states. It would be like Bush today saying that
Canadians dont need to pay taxes in Canada.
2. Slaves in the south were not only Black but all races. Yes there were even white slaves.
3. Not all Blacks in the south were slaves. Many were free. Many volunteered to fight for the
South in the Confederate army. There were Black officers in the confederate army. There
were even blacks that owned slaves.
I find it funny that many people today still cause a fuss over the fact that slavery existed in America over 150 years ago. Yet no one lifts a finger to stop the slavery that is going on as you read this in Africa.
Affirmative action is actually illegal, if anyone should push on it, its actually unconstitutional on everyones civil rights. Also by the Equal Oppounity Act. If you were to read that law, it says that an employer cant hire base on race, sex, age, religion, creed, etc. Pretty much you cant hire based on anything except for whether or not the person is qualitied for the job.
Affirmation action hire base on race, it discrimates against european decent (whites.) If a restrauant had 20 positions, they would need to have at least 5 employees who are minority. If a person who is obiviously white comes to apply, even if she had 5 years experience with waiter, or waitress, she would get the job. If a mexican who applies, even if s/he is less qualifed will get the job instead. This is complete discrimation, its hire base on race which in the Equal Oppounity Act is illegal.
This what also pisses me off. There was a scholarship, my sister had all the qualifation for. The only thing she needed was to be hispanic. Thats right be a mexican. It makes me think if that same scholarship was offered to white only, I wonder how far it will go before someone sue for discrimation.
Im not a racist, Im really far from it. It really discuss me how many opporunities of all levels, such as jobs, government aid, scholarships, etc. Could discriminate people base on whites, but its ok. While if you were to do the same thing to minorities all together, its discrimination, and probably be sued the next week and have every minority organziation would be calling you.
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if you are 100% burn in the sun in 10 mintues white, you can check any other race on an application, be it for job school whatever, and they cannot check to verify it.
so whites, check native american, african american, asian box if it will help you get in that grad school or land that job.
Originally posted by ViolentY It's sad... instead of getting rid of racism, people keep pushing it further. It's like the kid that hit you, so you have to hit them back.
Granted, I feel sorry for minorities who get treated unfairly (and I know they do), but while things like civil rights movements and affirmative action and minority pride groups are being developed and created, it's getting harder and harder to be a white male. What I want to know is, why is it that every "white pride" group has to be so violent against the other races? Why can't there be one big white pride organization that's peaceful like the NAACP? Why are we stuck with the militants and rednecks and KKK?
Sadly, every race/religion/or countryman has it's crazy organizations...
Whites --> KKK Blacks --> Black Panthers (some may not call them violent...but while not as outright violent as KKK they still harbored ill feelings) Muslims --> Hamas, Al Quada Christians --> KKK again Jewish --> Some would say the Jewish Defense League but I dont have enough knowledge in that group to say for sure. Germans --> Facism Nazi Party Italians --> Facisim Russia --> Communism (lol be a Pro Peace in former Soviet Union and see how far that got ya) Various African Tribes --> Genocide rather than civil war is on the minds of many of these rebel leaders Kosovo --> Muslim Extermination groups
Those are just some. Its just not the white folks lol
Okay im offended by this post because im a christian and know what the christian beliefs are. There is no such thing as rasicm and christianity. If someone is claming to be a christian and also kkk they arent really christians. Read the bible and you will see what a christian is and what one isnt. A kkk member is not a christian member. Christians are about loving one another as god loves them and worshiping the lord jesus christ who died for the sins of this world so we may go to heaven and then he rose from the grave on the 3rd day and will come again. This is christianity.
Originally posted by fulmanfu here is an interesting fact.
if you are 100% burn in the sun in 10 mintues white, you can check any other race on an application, be it for job school whatever, and they cannot check to verify it. so whites, check native american, african american, asian box if it will help you get in that grad school or land that job.
Actually, not quite so. Don't claim Native American unless you can back it up with tribal documents, i.e. you being on rolls or at least one grandparent on the rolls. This is for stuff like scholarships, grants, internships and such. As far as claiming other heritages, not sure about.
Originally posted by fulmanfu here is an interesting fact.
if you are 100% burn in the sun in 10 mintues white, you can check any other race on an application, be it for job school whatever, and they cannot check to verify it. so whites, check native american, african american, asian box if it will help you get in that grad school or land that job.
Actually, not quite so. Don't claim Native American unless you can back it up with tribal documents, i.e. you being on rolls or at least one grandparent on the rolls. This is for stuff like scholarships, grants, internships and such. As far as claiming other heritages, not sure about.
Originally posted by fulmanfu here is an interesting fact.
if you are 100% burn in the sun in 10 mintues white, you can check any other race on an application, be it for job school whatever, and they cannot check to verify it. so whites, check native american, african american, asian box if it will help you get in that grad school or land that job.
Problems posting, so sorry if this is a double. Don't claim Native American if you cannot back that up with tribal documents that show you or at least one of your grandparents is a tribal member by blood. Some Nations you can go back further to a great-grandparent, but most are becoming more strict. You won't get any scholarships, jobs, internships in cases where they are specifically for Native Americans unless you provide that information.
well maybe it go's by state then, but i doubt it. i only have personal experience at admissions for university of pittsburgh dental school and it is illegal to check into it,,or even ask them about it for that matter but i would be willing to wager its the same everywhere.
OK guys.. It is now obvious that you guys are targetting selective arguments... I dont actually Know WHY you guys are saying that I'm saying that Racism should continue.... Or That I'm asking for hand outs because of what my forefathers went through... I guess you guys thought that I was African American And any african American Person that speaks about getting anything IT MUST be that this person wants REPArations OMG REparations... Well no I'm not african American.. My dad is part black part irish... my mom is part Spanish and part Carib Indian... i'm not Even American at all... So NOW YOu understand i'm NOT talking about racism AT ALL>..
All i'm saying is that if a company wants to MAKE A COUPLE NEW OPPORTUNITIES for minorities (Bearing the financial responsibility themselves) AND NOT TAKING AWAY ANY OPPORTUNITIES FROM WHITE People... then I HAve no idea why you are complaining... ANd While you all are saying that you have lost jobs to less qualified people... IT also happens the other way around.... ALL the time... I myself Have lost jobs to less qualified people.... Whites AND minorities... But I dont Care about the Color.... Just in this case it's white folk who hold the Majority which has a natural effect of ousting the others.....
ANd no affirmative action isn't illegal... Quota's are... The REASON why affirmative action came about was because there were huge organizations and companies That had NO!!! as in NOT ONE SINGLE minority... So the government rightly acknowledged this as discrimination...
READ THIS--> IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS I STATED THAT I WAS NOT REFFERING TO RACISM BUT in MANy of the responses to my posts You guys LAbeled me As A Black AFrican American... Who is Arguing to get his acre and a Donkey.... NOw i think you who said those things and LABELed ME should think HARD as to WHY you did that.... OF course It doesn't matter to me.... But it should matter to you.
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OK guys.. It is now obvious that you guys are targetting selective arguments... I dont actually Know WHY you guys are saying that I'm saying that Racism should continue.... Or That I'm asking for hand outs because of what my forefathers went through... I guess you guys thought that I was African American And any african American Person that speaks about getting anything IT MUST be that this person wants REPArations OMG REparations... Well no I'm not african American.. My dad is part black part irish... my mom is part Spanish and part Carib Indian... i'm not Even American at all... So NOW YOu understand i'm NOT talking about racism AT ALL>..
I actually have to respond to this post in sections so please bear with me once again. First and foremost - as much as this may be a shock to you - one does not have to be an american to be a racist, the Germans can do it quite well and so can the Japanese. Racism is the core of the issue as Affirmative action is based on prejudice against any race that is not a minority - thus it is racism against the majority.
All i'm saying is that if a company wants to MAKE A COUPLE NEW OPPORTUNITIES for minorities (Bearing the financial responsibility themselves) AND NOT TAKING AWAY ANY OPPORTUNITIES FROM WHITE People... then I HAve no idea why you are complaining... ANd While you all are saying that you have lost jobs to less qualified people... IT also happens the other way around.... ALL the time... I myself Have lost jobs to less qualified people.... Whites AND minorities... But I dont Care about the Color.... Just in this case it's white folk who hold the Majority which has a natural effect of ousting the others.....
Affirmative action does not create a position - it takes any position and makes it an affirmative action position - IE - I am white. If I go to a major insurance company which is an affimative action employer and apply for a job in my field, one that I completely qualified for, I have the oppurtunity to lose that job to someone who is a minority who can be trained - or who is willing to be trained for that position - I know this from experience. If it were as you state above - it would be great - but the reality is - it is not.
ANd no affirmative action isn't illegal... Quota's are... The REASON why affirmative action came about was because there were huge organizations and companies That had NO!!! as in NOT ONE SINGLE minority... So the government rightly acknowledged this as discrimination...
Although it is not illegal - it should be - it happens to be a law that violates EEO laws. Equal employment was supposed to cover this problem - but it gave no monetary incentive to employers to follow it. Therefore - the more qualified person would get the job - and there were cases where racism reared its ugly head and people did not get hired because they were of a different nationality - generally - if an employer can find a more qualified person - why does race have to be the deciding factor?
READ THIS--> IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS I STATED THAT I WAS NOT REFFERING TO RACISM BUT in MANy of the responses to my posts You guys LAbeled me As A Black AFrican American... Who is Arguing to get his acre and a Donkey.... NOw i think you who said those things and LABELed ME should think HARD as to WHY you did that.... OF course It doesn't matter to me.... But it should matter to you.
I do not recall labelling you in my one post - I have been reading the posts all day to this off topic rant - and if you are being targetted - such is life - a lot of people get targetted. The problem is - unfortunately - this is a touchy subject for a lot of people. And anyone who may have strong feelings on the subject may get really peeved at a job posting that specifically states that you have to be a minority to apply.
Ahh well - what do I know - I am just a mutt with an american dream
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Originally posted by Devient I actually have to respond to this post in sections so please bear with me once again. First and foremost - as much as this may be a shock to you - one does not have to be an american to be a racist, the Germans can do it quite well and so can the Japanese. Racism is the core of the issue as Affirmative action is based on prejudice against any race that is not a minority - thus it is racism against the majority.
I will restate... Affirmative Action Came about Because mainly of huge corporations with hundreds of employees that didn't have any minorities at all within thier ranks.... The part which is illegal is that companies started hiring minorities just to fill a quota Which took whites out of there jobs for many times less qualified people... BUT!! If You are telling me that none of the minorities that applied were as qualified as the white people that work there... well then I will appologize publicly for Minorities because they are stupid... and unqualified..
Affirmative action does not create a position - it takes any position and makes it an affirmative action position - IE - I am white. If I go to a major insurance company which is an affimative action employer and apply for a job in my field, one that I completely qualify for, I have the oppurtunity to lose that job to someone who is a minority who can be trained - or who is willing to be trained for that position - I know this from experience. If it were as you state above - it would be great - but the reality is - it is not.
In THIS Case If you go back to the original post It began because of a company offering internships opportunities to minorities But Along with the "Minorities condition" there were other conditions such as a minimum GPA and what ever.... So It was STIll Merit Based... And in regards to companies that hire Aff Action style.... Number they usually aren't hiring less qualified people unless they are trying to fill a quota... THAT Is Totally wrong..... But if a company hired a whole buncha people... and then wanted to do something good and Created a new division or subdivisions... and hired talented minorities... Well then they are doing a great community service....
I do not recall labelling you in my one post - I have been reading the posts all day to this off topic rant - and if you are being targetted - such is life - a lot of people get targetted. The problem is - unfortunately - this is a touchy subject for a lot of people. And anyone who may have strong feelings on the subject may get really peeved at a job posting that specifically states that you have to be a minority to apply.
I dont believe at all that an underqualified person should be given a position over a more qualified person.... That is totally wrong.... And If two people have the same qualifications I dont think that one should automatically get it over the other person.... But that goes both ways... Because right now.... If there is a Mexican man and a Caucasin man of equal merit... i think it is more probable that the Caucasin man will get the job... And that May or may not be because of racism....
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OH MAN i really really wish this could become a reality.. I can't wait for the day where I date a white girl and her parents don't force her to break up with me... A world where I can bring a white girl home to MY parents and not have them scorn her.... A world where I can walk into a job interview and have the interviewer talk to me the same way he is conversing with the white guy next to me, they seem like such friends..... A world where White people actuallly live in ALL (keyword ALL) the same areas and share the community equally... But until then... Minorities dont DESERVE to get anything... they NEED a fighting chance though... Because right now... it's the Aztecs VS the Mongols... (not meaning a real fight.. I just mean the fight against segragation/ And no the Aztecs never fought the mongols.... just referring to size of armies) When that day comes though... I will have no other purpose in life ....
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Your all hypocrits.. Thats all I can say.... Why would you give a short person a job or even notice that they are short? What about that tall and medium sized? Your saying being short is bad??? Wow You all baffle me. Oh and for the black population, You all mostly bring it upon yourselves, No one is trying to show racism towards you... No one. Everyone needs to get over themselves.
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Yes if 1000 people apply for one job and 995 of them are over 5 feet tall... there should be something to atleast help the short person get a job... And if you dont think so well then I guess you dont think that having Disabled Parking Spaces are neccessary in the world.. or I guess you dont think that people that can't walk should be able to have a wheel chair... or I guess you THINK that people that are blind should be forced to read.
Well maybe you dont agree with me that disadvantaged people should have that extra helping hand... well then go ahead and get rid of Welfare... for white AND minority people... HealthCare... Do away with it... Because Everyone should have the SAME EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES RIGHT?
Here's a list of scholorships that you wouldn't understand..
HERE
and if you're too lazy to check it I'll list a few...
Little People of America Scholarship;
Tall Clubs International (TCI) Scholarship;
Vegetarian Resource Group Scholarship;
Scholarship for Left-Handed Students
You know what people should just do away with scholorships PERIOD because the reason scholorships exist is for people that aren't well off. We should just have a society where every has the exact same chances... So that means No exceptions for anyone...
Man I would LOVE to live in your country
READ THIS--> I'm not for Affirmative action... I'm not for Racism... But if you know ANYTHing at all about Probabilty you will understand why less fortunate people NEED a helping hand.. an extra push...
C'mon man. You don't have to resort to this. You're being ridiculous. Just because I think that when people apply for a job the only factor that should matter is their ability to do the job; that makes me think handicapped people shouldn't have wheelchairs?
You wanna talk probability? Ok. well lets say 1000 people are applying to a college, 100 are black, 900 are white. if they only let in 500 people and everyone is equal so it basically becomes random then I'm willing to bet they will choose about 450 white people and 50 black people. Now why can't we look at America as one big college with 500 jobs (spaces at college) open. In the end, even with only one person chosen at a time, you will still end up with about 50 black people and 450 white. It is the same; think about it. 1000 people apply, they choose a white person, well now the chances are slightly better for blacks, and every time a choice is made if it is a white person the chances just keep getting better and it will come out the same as just choosing 500 out of 1000; and when you choose 500 out of 1000 you are still only choosing one person at a time. What's wrong with having a jobplace with a demographic that accurately reflects the population?
This has absolutely nothing to do with blind or disabled people. They do not get parking spaces and assistance because there are less of them...
You talk about this like it's a war and a vs. but it's that mentality that is causing the problems. There are less black people but if there is an equal chance there will be an identical ratio or proportion of black people employed vs. white people as there are black people vs. white people in the population. I guess you want more black people to work proportionally than there are in the population? What will this accomplish? More black people in the future and a more equal distribution in the population between races? Why would we want that. YOU are creating the distinctions. You say you want to date a white girl, but that will never happen if we keep thinking in terms of races like this. What is even the point of saying black or white? this is a distinction YOU are making. YOU are saying that black people should have a better chance etc. I don't even see black people; I just see people. If you line up all the people in the world, you will not see four or five sections, whites, blacks, yellows, reds, whatever. you will see a full spectrum of color with each shade of skin being different somehow even within races. And that is all we're talking about here. Skin. One trait. Human Skin comes in such a mindboggling vast array of different colors but YOU are the one making distinctions and simplifying humans, of which every one is different into just a few categories.
You think I don't know what you mean. I am not black, but my mother is from Trinidad and Tobago, her family is Indian. My father is white. My parents never had a problem with me bringing home a black girl, or a mexican girl, or an asian girl, unless they were bad people, but that has nothing to do with race. I HAVE, however, dropped a white girlfriend off at her house, and had her dad chase me out of the yard screaming that he wouldn't have his daughter dating a sand N*&&^% and threatened to kill me, and a few other not so nice examples.
There are and will always be ignorant jerks in the world. My point is equality won't be reached..until everyone is treated the same. It has nothing to do with how many black people got hired vs. how many white people got hired, though that is the way things will continue to work. Its all about who is best qualified to do the job.
I am in the military at the moment, and I can say that it has changed my viewpoints dramatically. I had my own biases and ignorant opinions when I first joined, but I've been around the world twice, been to many other countries, worked with probably damn near every ethnicity you can think of, and I learned a valuable lesson from it all. The world is only as ignorant as you let it be. No, we can't make everything perfect today, but you know where it starts? It starts with you, and hopefully you can influence the guy next to you to do the right thing.
Forcing people to hire certain ethnicities doesn't do anything to help, except on paper, it incites ill will and hatred.
Scholarships, when given for reason of scholastic aptitude, or civic accomplishment, or even grants for those who lack the money, but have the desire to go to college, are totally different. Scholarships given for what color your skin is, have, I think, the wrong idea, however well meaning. But hell, if you can get them because your skin is red, green, purple and make yourself better by it, by all means take it and run.
Welfare, I saw that brought up somewhere in one of these posts, is a valuable community help program, when it is not abused. That whole program needs to be re-evaluated. The trash that stay on welfare for multiple generations are dragging the rest of us down. Welfare needs to be for a short period of time (maybe a couple years at most) with requirements of the people on it, i.e. learning a trade, vocation, earning a degree, etc. The problem with that is that the government would somehow have to supply this education to people, but it could be done. Hell, some of the people that go through the program could be hired back into it, to teach others, or watch their children while they attend classes, etc.
As far as having an interviewer talk to you the same way as the white guy next to you...why is he talking to him different? Is it simply because of skin color? Or is that just the easiest assumption? Presentation of yourself and first impressions go waaay far. If you speak as intelligently as the guy next to you, dress as professional, have the same manners, the same education, the same experience, and you are being looked down upon, then yes, there is a problem that needs to be addressed.
However, if you are not presenting yourself with a professional appearance, if you do not have good grammar and are not groomed accordingly to the position you are trying to achieve, and the other person is, it has nothing to do with race, but your attitude. I can't say which is which, you sound very intelligent on these forums(Methane47), but those are just a couple things I have learned over the years. If you have been discriminated against, I am sorry, and the company probably wasn't worth your time anyway, and hopefully that guy got hit by a train on his way home from work that day.
Well probability shows that percentages only even out as equal as the number of tests approach infinity
And I explicity stated that I was referring to fight as in a fight against inequality... Now If you are threatened by your status, I had no intention to cause that... But ok for the sake of the argument...
IF!!! 1000 students apply to a college and 100 are minorities and 900 are white and 450 white folk get into college and 50 minorities get in. Why do you think when an extra 5 minority kids are allowed into the school there is such a huge uproar in the community?
Sooo here we have 450 white kids.. and 55 minority kids.... But it's unfair because 5 where given a special opportunity?
The Reference to handicapped people Does signify a less populous people... Ok if everyone in the WORLD had one arm... would they get handicapped parking near the entrance of a store? Ofcourse not... because EVERyone has the same condition... If Everyone in the World had no feet... do you think people that use wheelchairs will get handicapped parking? OF COURSE NOT!!! because handicapped refers to people that are are at a disadvantage from the majority of the society. Special consideration is always given to minorities... but it's only a problem when Racial minorities start benefitting.. however minute the amount is... as soon as they benefit from it, it's a huge problem... And no if you;ve read myposts... I am not talking about racism... I'm just saying that the majority people should be given a helping hand.....
I hope you can let those extra 5 minority kids get a chance... I mean they're not trying to steal your way of life...
i just hope you understand enough that you wont steal away Their life... for this battle on giving everysingle person a fair chance....
And if you look at my earlier post you will see that Unemployment is NOT equal between races...
Just a question... Why exactly DO you think that Unemployment is more abundant within minority races?
PLEASE answer that question... I really want to know what you have to say... Because if what you say is true... The percentages should be equal... the same percent of whites should be employed as the hispanics and blacks and latino? right?
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
Well probability shows that percentages only even out as equal as the number of tests approach infinity
And I explicity stated that I was referring to fight as in a fight against inequality... Now If you are threatened by your status, I had no intention to cause that... But ok for the sake of the argument...
IF!!! 1000 students apply to a college and 100 are minorities and 900 are white and 450 white folk get into college and 50 minorities get in. Why do you think when an extra 5 minority kids are allowed into the school there is such a huge uproar in the community?
Sooo here we have 450 white kids.. and 55 minority kids.... But it's unfair because 5 where given a special opportunity?
The Reference to handicapped people Does signify a less populous people... Ok if everyone in the WORLD had one arm... would they get handicapped parking near the entrance of a store? Ofcourse not... because EVERyone has the same condition... If Everyone in the World had no feet... do you think people that use wheelchairs will get handicapped parking? OF COURSE NOT!!! because handicapped refers to people that are are at a disadvantage from the majority of the society. Special consideration is always given to minorities... but it's only a problem when Racial minorities start benefitting.. however minute the amount is... as soon as they benefit from it, it's a huge problem... And no if you;ve read myposts... I am not talking about racism... I'm just saying that the majority people should be given a helping hand.....
I hope you can let those extra 5 minority kids get a chance... I mean they're not trying to steal your way of life...
i just hope you understand enough that you wont steal away Their life... for this battle on giving everysingle person a fair chance....
And if you look at my earlier post you will see that Unemployment is NOT equal between races...
Just a question... Why exactly DO you think that Unemployment is more abundant within minority races?
PLEASE answer that question... I really want to know what you have to say... Because if what you say is true... The percentages should be equal... the same percent of whites should be employed as the hispanics and blacks and latino? right?
Its unfair if those 5 bumped 5 more qualified. And there is not one intelligent thing you can say that makes 5 lesser qualified people getting a job or going to college over 5 more qualified people FAIR. Nothing at all.
The question you want him to answer about unemployment could be one of many things. One could be more reside in areas with less jobs. But im thinking you were hoping his answer would be , they dont want to work. In effect making him look racist or misinformed.
I really apreciate that man... The thing about me is that I know racism exists in many of its forms... But I never never let that get me down... I just want more minorities to get out there into the job market and build themselves as a people... And for that Post i made.. I was really commenting that i really WOULD like to see when everyone sees everyone else as just another person... and not a Juan... not a Chan not a Shaniqua... Just another person... And that equality hasn't been reached yet but until then I want minorities to advance themselves... become a bigger part of society... THATs what i want....
I'm not even fighting racism in these posts.. I'm just defending the company that is giving those internships out to Minorities... Because ok here's the raw truth... Minorities are poorer than White folk (statistically go search it yourself if you dont believe... So Minorities are much less likely to get an education because why? they can't Afford it... And I dont like the fact that people are bashing a company just because they are giving opportunities to less fortunate people (By Statistics). And then the scholorships and internships are Still based on Merit and ability.. No one will be getting anything that they dont deserve.... It's just that without some of these opportunities... Then Minorities won't be able to get educated and that's just sad....
and before you say it I KNOW there are poor white folk out there... And i'm not trying to take away their chances... but if a company wants to take it upon themselves to make NEW opportunities... not taking away the present opportunities... THen I'm not Going to attack them and Threaten to sue them for discrimination... That's why i dont have a problem with people getting a scholorship for being Left handed... or recieving one for being short, or tall, or getting a scholarship because you are a woman.... Because minorities need that... and that is true talk.
YES there are scholorships and internship opportunities only available to women... I wonder why THAT is..
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
While i suspect that that was just a post to make me annoyed with answering stupid posts... I will respond as though it was duly intended...
The Condition was that everyone had an equal opportunity... Implying that they all had merits and achievements equal to one another. ANd if you are stating that White people are always more qualified than minorities... well then I can say nothing about that... But it seems as if that was not your intention so the first Condition holds True.
And about residing in areas with less jobs.... The statistics hold for the entire country... Minority groups are all more (percentage wize) unemployed than White people... IF you are meaning to tell me that It's MINORITies fault because the CHOOSE to go live in a place where there are no jobs... then you just have no idea what you are speaking of... I'm not even going to go into the slippery slope argument because it's just stupid... but for Bama1267: Why do the minorities CHOOSE to live where there aren't any jobs?
And for the rest of you.... The first question is still up for grabs..
PS: THe unemployment rate in 2002 for minorities was almost double that of the unemployment rate in the same month same year for white folk.... something like 4.9% for whites and 8.9% for non-white do with that information what you may...
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Well probability shows that percentages only even out as equal as the number of tests approach infinity
And I explicity stated that I was referring to fight as in a fight against inequality... Now If you are threatened by your status, I had no intention to cause that... But ok for the sake of the argument...
IF!!! 1000 students apply to a college and 100 are minorities and 900 are white and 450 white folk get into college and 50 minorities get in. Why do you think when an extra 5 minority kids are allowed into the school there is such a huge uproar in the community?
Sooo here we have 450 white kids.. and 55 minority kids.... But it's unfair because 5 where given a special opportunity?
The Reference to handicapped people Does signify a less populous people... Ok if everyone in the WORLD had one arm... would they get handicapped parking near the entrance of a store? Ofcourse not... because EVERyone has the same condition... If Everyone in the World had no feet... do you think people that use wheelchairs will get handicapped parking? OF COURSE NOT!!! because handicapped refers to people that are are at a disadvantage from the majority of the society. Special consideration is always given to minorities... but it's only a problem when Racial minorities start benefitting.. however minute the amount is... as soon as they benefit from it, it's a huge problem... And no if you;ve read myposts... I am not talking about racism... I'm just saying that the majority people should be given a helping hand.....
I hope you can let those extra 5 minority kids get a chance... I mean they're not trying to steal your way of life...
i just hope you understand enough that you wont steal away Their life... for this battle on giving everysingle person a fair chance....
And if you look at my earlier post you will see that Unemployment is NOT equal between races...
Just a question... Why exactly DO you think that Unemployment is more abundant within minority races?
PLEASE answer that question... I really want to know what you have to say... Because if what you say is true... The percentages should be equal... the same percent of whites should be employed as the hispanics and blacks and latino? right?
I won't pretend to know exactly why unemployment is higher in some minorities. There are probably many factors, and yes with blacks (a group that exists only in your mind as you segregate us all into groups) slavery was probably a big part of it. But it is not the fact that there are more white people, especially if everyone is forced not to consider race anymore. And there isn't much we can do to go back and fix slavery; all of our solutions only exclude and disdvantage other people of whom neither they or their ancestors had anything to do with slavery. And if we start going back and trying to equal out for every atrocity to every type of people, not only are we prepetuating classifying types of people based on stupid things, but it will probably all even out in the end because EVERYONE has had atrocities happen to them.
Even if things only even out perfectly towards infinity, are there not going to be an infinite number of chances over time? I guess you are worried because there is a chance that less percent of blacks will get hired than percent of whites simply due to chance, but there is an equal chance that the opposite will happen so what's unfair about that? Your whole example with the 450 majority and 55 minority is a pretty bad one, because we are assuming there are only 500 openings. Maybe that was just a mistake. But if say only 445 majority people get in and 55 minority because the original was 450 and 50, yes that is unfair and not to the minority. Now instead of 50% of whites getting in and 50% of blacks getting in it is now a higher percentage of blacks getting in. That is unfair. At first every one individual had a 1/1000 chance, now if they are white their chances are not 1/1000. That is unfair. What are you going to say? There are too many white people so that's ok? Maybe I don't want to be lumped together into a group. Maybe I take offense to being classified as a white person and having all my complexities ignored. I have a worse chance now of getting in because I am white and I don't even believe in white and black. That is unfair.
The handicap analogy is still a bad one. You say handicapped people are people who are at a disadvantage from the majority. What is the disadvantage of blacks? Is it that more of them are poor? Who's fault is that? I don't know, but it's not the people who suffer when quotas have to be filled for minorities.
I can't see it at the moment but you said in an earlier post that you just want minorities to have a chance to advance as a people? What is this racist crap? Why should they even be separated into a people. That is you making the distinctions that are going to keep true equality from ever happening.
You and I are actually arguing for the same thing in some ways you know. You want every possible trait is in the minority to get a better chance than just the ratio of them to the population without that trait. When it all comes down to it, each and every individual is a minority because they are different in some way from every other person on earth. Each person is different from every other person in America so we all deserve the same 1/6 million chance or whatever. I want every individual to have the same exact chance, and if you want every possible trait to be considered you are forced to see 6 million entirely different entities 6 million minorities and they all deserve the same chance. Well I guess, according to you each and every one of them deserves an advantage, but of course that's impossible because if you gave an advantage to every minority you would give one to every single person and they would be equal again. They are 6 million and they are all considred a minority, an individual, so in separating them and distinguishing each and every individual we have actually made them all exactly equal. And that is zen my friend. Where infinity ends and makes sense.
... Ok ...
This is rare for me - I shall say this with some difficulty so please bear with me.
I will detail my races for you -
Italian
German
French
American Indian
French
Dutch
English - and many more.
I am a mutt. My ancestors on my fathers side of my family came over on boat from Italy which ported in Ellis Island NYC - long after slavery.
My ancestors on my mothers side came over long before that - but they were in the north, and never owned slaves. Some of my ancestors include Annie Oakley and Mary Queen of Scotts - also the builders and original owners of the La'Scalia opera house in Italy.
I consider myself White - or Caucasian because I am none of the above races perfectly.
So here it is - why should I suffer in losing a job to someone who is less qualified then I am - (This has happened to me with affirmative action before) - because some law maker (some twit in a 3 piece suit) decided to appease a mass of people for what was done to them over 100 years ago?
No offense ladies and gentleman lets look at it like this. I do not have medical insurance - I cannot afford it. The state will not cover me - but THANK GOD - they will cover my sons.
BUT - If I went into the county assistance office; wrote down on the application that I was from Mexico, did my best not to speak a word of english while I was there and only spoke in spanish - I would have medical assistance, housing assistance, food stamps and cash assistance same day.
Do you know why? I do - Politics. This is why I do not usually mix politics with pleasure - as I see gaming as a pleasure and politics as a pain.
What can I do about it - NOTHING - not on my own - the only thing the average everyday person can do is make it known on election day how they feel - and that is basically "Which Liar do you think you can trust for the next 4 years day" because that is what they all are - LIARS.
Perfect example - We were all deplored about how long it took our government to get to New Orleans to help those poor people - Do we know why it took so long? It took so long because Louisianna is the "Welfare State" most of its population is very very poor - and poor people have no rights in the eyes of our government. It wasnt because they were black, white, yellow or blue, it was basic "How much money do they have?"
I did not own any slaves - I do not think anyone on these boards could be old enough to have owned any slaves. Affirmative action is discrimination - and I know that people who may be of a different race may feel that is not possible but it is it is discriminatory against anyone who would not be considered a "Minority".
**Special note:
Discrimination - unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
Reverse - a relation of direct opposition
Reverse Discrimination - the direct opposite of unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice.
Therefore - affirmative action is reverse discrimination as it something that is still based on the prejudice of this world.
Ok I am done ranting - I will finalize with this -
Why is it ok to hire a person based on their skin color under the disguise of affirmative action?
Oh where to begin:
DAoC Juansanchez 50 Armsman Igraine - Back from the Grave
DAoC Prol 50 Necro Igraine - Back from the Grave
CoH Devient 28 Mace/Stone Tank *Retired*
WoW Talgar 27 Warrior *Retired*
Horizons Goledstadt 35 Dragon *Retired*
And many many others in many many games. But I always go back to my home in DAoC
Racism exists everywhere. Give a person a reason to claim superiority and someone will cling to that claim until they die. The fact is its not just a black thing. Racism has been used against almost every race even whites (in asia). It truly depends on the region of the world that you live in as to which group is being persecuted. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that theres no racism in america. In america you're free to believe whatever you want to (supposedly). I'm not going to piss in anyones cheerios by being a racist or telling people what they're allowed to believe.
On the issue of slavery again almost every race has been subject to slavery. The fact is that the only country in the world where slavery is still legal is the Sudan and in the Sudan its black on black slavery. For a black person to use slavery as an excuse pretty much defines the problem of todays black culture in america. Slavery has been abolished for more than 145 years. Todays generation wants to use the past as an excuse for not trying today. Other races were slaves far longer than the 250 years slavery was practiced in america. Jews were slaves for over 1000 years and were persecuted far longer.
Many Irish americans have great lives only 100 years after migrating to america. If you have any knowledge of american history you'd know that the Irish were looked at as lower than blacks for the longest time in america. The reason the stigma has been wiped out is because they didnt use that as an excuse not to try. The same goes for chinese people. From 1850 to 1950 chinese were treated like slaves here in america. I dont see todays generation of asian americans spouting racism as a defense for their lack of progress. I could care less about the color of someones skin and to be honest the vast majority of people i know feel exactly the same way. Honestly i know as many racist black people as i do racist native americans and asians - i think they're all a bit lacking in intelligence.
The world is not a carebear environment and it never will be. It's a dog eat dog world and the strongest and most intelligent come out on top. This is how life works. It's not pretty and its not fair but its the way it is.
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Well said Copeland! You pretty much covered it better than I could ever have. While speaking about slavery in America in the 1800's we must keep in mind the following facts.
1. The Imammancipation Proclamation freed not a single slave. At the time Lincoln laid that out
he wasnt the President of the southern states. It would be like Bush today saying that
Canadians dont need to pay taxes in Canada.
2. Slaves in the south were not only Black but all races. Yes there were even white slaves.
3. Not all Blacks in the south were slaves. Many were free. Many volunteered to fight for the
South in the Confederate army. There were Black officers in the confederate army. There
were even blacks that owned slaves.
I find it funny that many people today still cause a fuss over the fact that slavery existed in America over 150 years ago. Yet no one lifts a finger to stop the slavery that is going on as you read this in Africa.
Affirmative action is actually illegal, if anyone should push on it, its actually unconstitutional on everyones civil rights. Also by the Equal Oppounity Act. If you were to read that law, it says that an employer cant hire base on race, sex, age, religion, creed, etc. Pretty much you cant hire based on anything except for whether or not the person is qualitied for the job.
Affirmation action hire base on race, it discrimates against european decent (whites.) If a restrauant had 20 positions, they would need to have at least 5 employees who are minority. If a person who is obiviously white comes to apply, even if she had 5 years experience with waiter, or waitress, she would get the job. If a mexican who applies, even if s/he is less qualifed will get the job instead. This is complete discrimation, its hire base on race which in the Equal Oppounity Act is illegal.
This what also pisses me off. There was a scholarship, my sister had all the qualifation for. The only thing she needed was to be hispanic. Thats right be a mexican. It makes me think if that same scholarship was offered to white only, I wonder how far it will go before someone sue for discrimation.
Im not a racist, Im really far from it. It really discuss me how many opporunities of all levels, such as jobs, government aid, scholarships, etc. Could discriminate people base on whites, but its ok. While if you were to do the same thing to minorities all together, its discrimination, and probably be sued the next week and have every minority organziation would be calling you.
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I am an equal opportunity racist. I hate everyone
That being said, yes affirmative action is illegal. I don't want a job because of my race or my gender.
Every race has its morons, just seems that some races produce more that end up in the spotlight.
I pine for the good old days of the British Empire when people knew their place.
here is an interesting fact.
if you are 100% burn in the sun in 10 mintues white, you can check any other race on an application, be it for job school whatever, and they cannot check to verify it.
so whites, check native american, african american, asian box if it will help you get in that grad school or land that job.
Sadly, every race/religion/or countryman has it's crazy organizations...
Whites --> KKK
Blacks --> Black Panthers (some may not call them violent...but while not as outright violent as KKK they still harbored ill feelings)
Muslims --> Hamas, Al Quada
Christians --> KKK again
Jewish --> Some would say the Jewish Defense League but I dont have enough knowledge in that group to say for sure.
Germans --> Facism Nazi Party
Italians --> Facisim
Russia --> Communism (lol be a Pro Peace in former Soviet Union and see how far that got ya)
Various African Tribes --> Genocide rather than civil war is on the minds of many of these rebel leaders
Kosovo --> Muslim Extermination groups
Those are just some. Its just not the white folks lol
Okay im offended by this post because im a christian and know what the christian beliefs are. There is no such thing as rasicm and christianity. If someone is claming to be a christian and also kkk they arent really christians. Read the bible and you will see what a christian is and what one isnt. A kkk member is not a christian member. Christians are about loving one another as god loves them and worshiping the lord jesus christ who died for the sins of this world so we may go to heaven and then he rose from the grave on the 3rd day and will come again. This is christianity.
well maybe it go's by state then, but i doubt it.
i only have personal experience at admissions for university of pittsburgh dental school and it is illegal to check into it,,or even ask them about it for that matter but i would be willing to wager its the same everywhere.
OK guys.. It is now obvious that you guys are targetting selective arguments... I dont actually Know WHY you guys are saying that I'm saying that Racism should continue.... Or That I'm asking for hand outs because of what my forefathers went through... I guess you guys thought that I was African American And any african American Person that speaks about getting anything IT MUST be that this person wants REPArations OMG REparations... Well no I'm not african American.. My dad is part black part irish... my mom is part Spanish and part Carib Indian... i'm not Even American at all... So NOW YOu understand i'm NOT talking about racism AT ALL>..
All i'm saying is that if a company wants to MAKE A COUPLE NEW OPPORTUNITIES for minorities (Bearing the financial responsibility themselves) AND NOT TAKING AWAY ANY OPPORTUNITIES FROM WHITE People... then I HAve no idea why you are complaining... ANd While you all are saying that you have lost jobs to less qualified people... IT also happens the other way around.... ALL the time... I myself Have lost jobs to less qualified people.... Whites AND minorities... But I dont Care about the Color.... Just in this case it's white folk who hold the Majority which has a natural effect of ousting the others.....
ANd no affirmative action isn't illegal... Quota's are...
The REASON why affirmative action came about was because there were huge organizations and companies That had NO!!! as in NOT ONE SINGLE minority... So the government rightly acknowledged this as discrimination...
READ THIS--> IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS I STATED THAT I WAS NOT REFFERING TO RACISM BUT in MANy of the responses to my posts You guys LAbeled me As A Black AFrican American... Who is Arguing to get his acre and a Donkey....
NOw i think you who said those things and LABELed ME should think HARD as to WHY you did that....
OF course It doesn't matter to me.... But it should matter to you.
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>
Oh where to begin:
DAoC Juansanchez 50 Armsman Igraine - Back from the Grave
DAoC Prol 50 Necro Igraine - Back from the Grave
CoH Devient 28 Mace/Stone Tank *Retired*
WoW Talgar 27 Warrior *Retired*
Horizons Goledstadt 35 Dragon *Retired*
And many many others in many many games. But I always go back to my home in DAoC
I dont believe at all that an underqualified person should be given a position over a more qualified person.... That is totally wrong.... And If two people have the same qualifications I dont think that one should automatically get it over the other person.... But that goes both ways... Because right now.... If there is a Mexican man and a Caucasin man of equal merit... i think it is more probable that the Caucasin man will get the job... And that May or may not be because of racism....
What's your Wu Name?
Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
"Some people call me the walking plank, 'cuz any where you go... Death is right behind you.."
<i>ME<i>