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I promised myself that I wouldn't entertain any wacky conspiracy theories but this one is too hard to pass up. The reason for American military bases throughout Europe was to counter the ever increasing threat of a Soviet Invasion. Keeping these bases up and running costs the American people lots and lots of tax dollars. But it was necessary to have them in Europe during the Cold War. Europe was incapable of staving off a Soviet attack on it's own. Thanks to the presence of the US military the attack never happened. Now since the Cold War is over the Pentagon has begun the planning phase of closing bases and bringing as many as 70,000 troops home.
By the way you were right at first when you started to say the Americans won the War. If I remember correctly Hitler pushed you guys all the way into the English channel. British and French troops were retreating so fast that they had to be rescued at the Port of Dunkerque. Thankfully for them the german's Panzer tanks ran out of fuel and werent able to stop the retreating Allies. Soon after the Germans began to prepare for "Operation Sealion". I will admit though that the RAF put up a good fight but their efforts were only good at delaying what appeared to be the inevitable. If it wasnt for the intervention of American forces then Germany would have surely invaded all of Europe. Hmmmmm You guys didnt seem to mind Americans intervening in that war did you? We had no reason for attacking Hitler. He didnt pose a threat to America. We could've just sat back and watched him take over all of Europe. But that wouldn't be the American way.
You know I knew we'd hear all these wacky baseless Anti-american conspiracy theories. Keep em coming. Conspiracy theories come a dime a dozen. But since they have no semblance to reality most people scoff at them and throw them to the side. I'm sure we'll hear something about Bush planned 9/11 or maybe something about a secret military base on the moon where they are building a clone army.
It was worse, believe it or not. The mods have lightened up significently, it is just the forum members who are decreasing in intelligence that get posts deleted.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
hard to see with your's implanted so far up :P
ok just playing, im done too. it's imposible to win an argument with such young kids anyway. call me in 5-10 years when you start thinking abstract thoughts.
well -someone- posted this in the locked oversensitive americans topic....
Where is America while people are getting murdered by the thousands in Africa?, and why don't they care about the Palestine/Isreael situation? (oh wait, they only care about the Israeli).
u say where are americans? well where the hell is the rest of the world?
and to say we r only helping the israelis? well if i remember it was britain that "GAVE" them this land after WWII so that jews could have their own country when in fact it had already belonged to arabs and it was then called pakistan....
not to say it was right/wrong to give the jews that land but america is only continuing with what britain did in the first place.....
haha exactly and if the USA invaded Canada or mexico I am sure they would uncover alot of resistance or uh terrorists i mean.
well all i know is that the russians wouldnt have had a chance had it not been for british/american forces attacking north africa and italy forcing hitler to save mussolini and opening up another front (and spreading his forces too thin to defend against everything) also the british *probably* couldnt have done it alone and without help from american forces
i wasent going to involve myself in this topic but...... damn
there are alot of people that love to bash the american people..... witch ironicly have nothing to do with politics. i for one do not agree with alot of the things the presedent does, but there is little anybody can do about it. let me guess your going to say "just dont vote for him" well the reality is we get a choice of 2 people to be presedent when it comes down to it, and they are both idiots almost every time.... so what choice do we have? so dont sit up there and bash americans because of what our leader does and pretend every one of us supports him in what he does.
oh and to the person that said this...
"Yes there are oversensitive in every country. But what you are saying about middleeast and africa is complete bullshit. I'm pretty sure that they are as civilized as us. If something offends them they will talk and protest against it. It has never happened that somebody has blown up something because of a movie in middleeast, neither has somebody been killed over it in Africa." ....
you are a fool if you believe that in the midleeast they are even allowed to protest. even having the option to express your feelings or thoughts, and let the government know your not going to stand for it is a freedom. if you would rather live in a country that doesent allow free speach go right ahead, but i wouldnt have it any other way. also...... ya they blow themselves and innocent people up..... thats how they protest in some countries..... no thanks!
keep up the bashing though, spreading hatred is what you all like to do, and your good at it
btw i do agree these topic's are very offensive
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Yeah your right its not all americans. But at least 51% of voters are cerebrally challenged and vote a warmonger back in that is a proven liar and conspiracy theorist.
These voters imo just scare very easily and bush uses this to manipulate them into supporting his hidden agendas. I mean really how much of a threat is a radical muslim from iraq to the average american?
The bush government will continue to lie about foiled attacks and captured ot killed "top insurgent generals" and the insurgency and death toll will getr worse and worse. And supporters will call everyone else conspiracy theorists because they truly want to believe that their in a "showdown" with the evil bearded ones that may or may not have something to do with 911
oh and about germany dont you think the citizens had an inflated and arrogant attitude during the world wars? I would bet money the general consensus was alot like "the rest of the world is just jealous and we are so much better then them" something ive seen alot of defensive americans say lately.
Yeah your right its not all americans. But at least 51% of voters are cerebrally challenged and vote a warmonger back in that is a proven liar and conspiracy theorist.
These voters imo just scare very easily and bush uses this to manipulate them into supporting his hidden agendas. I mean really how much of a threat is a radical muslim from iraq to the average american?
The bush government will continue to lie about foiled attacks and captured ot killed "top insurgent generals" and the insurgency and death toll will getr worse and worse. And supporters will call everyone else conspiracy theorists because they truly want to believe that their in a "showdown" with the evil bearded ones that may or may not have something to do with 911
i agree, but my point was and still is why do people bash americans that have nothing to do with this?
the dude that said this...
"YOU WON THE WAR?? , you blody well diddent , stalingrad and countless russian lives probably won the war , dont go and piss about with that sheite , the amount of times iw seen americans take the full credit for winning ww2 makes me sick , maybe you where a deciding factor but there where more people than the usa in ww2 ( thats why its called world war )
"maybe you where a deciding factor but there where more people than the usa in ww2 ( thats why its called world war )"vietnam/korea/the YOU WON THE WAR?? , you blody well diddent , stalingrad and countless russian lives probably won the war , dont go and piss about with that sheite , the amount of times iw seen americans take the full credit for winning ww2 makes me sick , maybe you where a deciding factor but there where more people than the usa in ww2 ( thats why its called world war )"
get your head out of your ass, you bash him for stating an opinion that usa won wwII then go on to say the russian people PROBABLY did? and then go on to say.."maybe you where a deciding factor but there where more people than the usa in ww2 ( thats why its called world war )"
im confused, so russia prbably won... or all the countries involved? pick one please. oh and heres a fact for you the usa bombed japan witch lead to the official end of wwII.....
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
nay, i wasent picking any country at all... next time quote me for my exact words instead od adding what you think i meant. i know very well alot of countries were involved in wwII, and also know about teamwork.... what is your point? my point was that you bashed that poster for saying quote: " By the way you were right at first when you started to say the Americans won the War" you replied by saying quote: "YOU WON THE WAR?? , you blody well diddent , stalingrad and countless russian lives probably won the war" so ya i called you on it because thats a double standard, im sorry if i misunderstood you because english isnt your primary language (i totally understand). but thats how i read your post man...it made no sence to me thus the "pull your head out of your ass" quote
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Ahhhh! Darktania, you're killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"We had no reason for attacking Hitler. He didn't pose a threat to America." Darktania, the whole point of World War II was that Hitler had the most powerful military force in the world; if facism won, then democracy, which is perhaps humanity's greatest invention, would have been destroyed!!!! America intervened not to only to help those in need but to SAVE DEMOCRACY, to SAVE OUR WAY OF LIFE! If Hitler won, then democracy would have been compromised - that's why Roosevelt was itching to go into war. Hitler posed an ENORMOUS threat to America.
Additionally, realize that 68% of Americans did NOT want to interfere in Europe in 1939 because at that time we believed that isolationism was the best way to go. What changed our minds? Pearl Harbor!
"I will admit though that the RAF put up a good fight but their efforts were only good at delaying what appeared to be the inevitable. If it wasnt for the intervention of American forces then Germany would have surely invaded all of Europe."
Why was the Battle of Britain so important? Why was it Britains "finest hour" and why, "never have so many owed so much to so few?" The British pilots of the Battle of Britain are one of the few reasons democracy still survives now. These pilots climbed into their Spitfires and fought the Luftwaffe at 60 vs. 8 battles, at impossible odds and they succeeded in destroying the German Air Force, at great sacrifice to their country and their families. We owe our freedom to them! When Churchill stated, "never have so many owed so much to so few", he meant that all of us in America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Austrailia etc. owe our freedom to these select few pilots who were brave enough to challenge and bring down Germany's Air Force. Doing so gave the rest of the world a window by which they could plan a counterattack.
"By the way you were right at first when you started to say the Americans won the War." No, Darktania, thats wrong. I can see that although WWII is reputed to be Britain's finest hour, in many ways it was America's finest hour as well. I can tell you stories that I've heard of a boy giving up his dead dog's collar to the army for leather because "Spotty would have wanted us to win the war", or other heroic people who made similar heartfelt sacrifices. But even though we can take 100% credit for our victory in the Pacific, the real victory in Europe belongs not to France, not to Britain, not to America, but to Russia. As I said in the other thread, ninety percent of combat casualties in Europe were on the Eastern Front to the Russian Army. The Russians were underequipped, bereft of supplies, yet they still pushed Germany back to Berlin at a much greater loss of life than our nation suffered during D-Day.
The "second front" that D-Day created came too late. The tide in Russia had already turned and the Russians were beginning to seal the victory. This year, on V-E day, President Bush himself went to Russia to honor their sacrifice, the first time in history in which our country has recognized the sacrifice of the Russian people.
So the bottom line: Think. Use some original thought. Just because we're American doesn't mean we're perfect. Research what I've posted; I promise you that the statistics are there for you to find.
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to the americans that think their country won world war 2 you really need to check your facts or get your head examined. It was a "world" effort. Also wouldnt you say your forces have got better since? because its totally pigheaded to think that you could save the world but cant even control or "liberate" a tiny little third world country. weak
Stop argueing people. No one here has any right to say that their country is better than the other. First off, its personal opinion. No one here will look at what you write and say, you know what, my country is that bad, I'm going to move to yours. Second, Your debating over wars that happened when most of you weren't even alive. Just because the roman empire fell doesn't mean Italy is inferior to everyone.
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What do you think would happen if the US disappeared? I would like to hear comments on this. Keep in mind China, Iran, and Russia. Remember Putin was the head of the KGB and I doubt he was put there because of his love of individuals rights. And I doubt it was for his gentle nature either. For you people who live outside of the US what do you think would happen to your country specifically. Think of your large powerful neighbors and remember history. If your banking on Nuclear deterant your a fool because All of the above countries can either defeat you in the economic war or they can annex you by banking on the fact that you wont use Nukes first and they can simply overwhelm you militarily. Like it or not the "Warmongering" US is the only thing keeping the crazies and the wannabe superpoowers in check. We are the only country that will attack first or pound them economically by motivating the various disorganized european countries into a cohesive body to isolate the offending country. The US is the hammer of the retarded worthless UN. Its the only thing that they heve thats a threat to these large powerful entities.
Oh wait I forgot they would have Canada!!!
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Ain't that the truth. To be honest, we can't call you liberal or conservative. We can't even call you moderate. I guess all that we can call you is...
For fear of being banned, I won't state my opinion. Does that make you feel like God?
On another note, looks like you're losing your war. Mind you, it is not "our" war, it's your's.
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