Originally posted by Aerowyn any game is meaningless if you aren't having fun.. millions of games out there if one isn't your cup of tea it's not hard to move on and find one you like. If you can't find one you like i'd honestly suggest a new hobby
These responses are getting old "don't like it F**k off" i mean the man spent his money and should be able to voice his problems with the product.
You have to look at who makes these comments,it's like they have one eye playing GW2 and another on these forums so they can counter anyone who see the game in a different light than themselves.
I just hope these same people remember the over the top defence of GW2 when the penny finally drops for them,ill be glad to remind them when they are following some other game.
I just hope people on both sides of the fence have issues - both Uber Fans and the anti-GW2 people. Both need to chill and just let the situation evolve.
Originally posted by Aerowynany game is meaningless if you aren't having fun.. millions of games out there if one isn't your cup of tea it's not hard to move on and find one you like. If you can't find one you like i'd honestly suggest a new hobby
These responses are getting old "don't like it F**k off" i mean the man spent his money and should be able to voice his problems with the product.
Well it wasn't a F*** off reply, it was stating something pretty reasonable. Before I decide to purchase a game, (and often with a sub), I research it and try to do as many beta's as possible.
GW2 is precisely what it was advertised as - a game you can hop into, spend some time having an explore with a good old hack and slash.
As for lengthy moaning's on here, sure the guy paid for the game - but he didn't buy it off me. If I have issues with something, I go back to the people I purchased it from - not a new concept.
Yeah righto. But this is an open forum you should be able to express all your gaming experiences freely within the rules of the website.
Response in question is neither examining the ops post or disputing it's rather saying "If you don't like what the game is offering go find another game"
All I have to say is... Thank you come again... No one is forcing you to play... No one is holding a gun to your head at point blank range......
Just like this, How is this constructive?
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What, exactly, is a "meaningful" MMO? They're a hobby... just because I spent years in WoW doesn't mean it had any meaning than keeping me occupied, it just lasted longer because it took me a long time to realize what a scam the gear grind/sub model is.
Im still searching for an mmo without instances, with decent graphics,strategy, where your actions matter and there are consequences when u kill/die.
Enough with these mainstream carebear games!
Final Fantasy XI
Played it for 9 years, best mmorpg that will ever have been released. If you want a Relic Item it will take about 1-5 years and several events per week with 30-60 players. (Maybe nerfed it last years though)
MMorpgs were about continuity, about getting challenged to be better, play more, trying to achieve something that seemed impossible at the begining.
How about GW2?
You reach 80 in like 10-15 days, u get the best available equipment easier than any other game.
You cant make any money by farming or using the TP (spending 20g to get 21 isnt money making...)
Everything is about dyes and better looking armor as if it is a fashion show.
Every mob is aggro, so you have to kill everything to get pass through an area even if you are 60 lvl higher due to lvl scale.
Jumping around like a goat to get vistas for a mystic coin.
Having 100% explored for 50 copper and a blue trash item.
Dungeons are a joke and rewards even bigger joke.
No raid bosses that require strategy and months of preparation.
WvW should be about getting a castle with your guild and keep it for a certain amount of time until someone sieges you. (like lineage2) .
Spvp without ranking system? i know better looking items...
Equality ruins every MMO.
I mean one who is a good player or plays many hours should have more benefits from one who is bad or plays less.
Im still searching for an mmo without instances, with decent graphics,strategy, where your actions matter and there are consequences when u kill/die.
Enough with these mainstream carebear games!
on the other hand standing around in game wearing raid gear that you devoted hundreds of hours of your life to obatin is sooooo meaningful ,,,uh yeah. at least till teh next expansion then you get to jump back on the raid hampster wheel to obtain more meaningful gear
as long as you find it fun more power to you, myself I will play a less meaningful but more enjoyable for my palystyle game. There are plenty of gear grinders out there, enjoy
MMorpgs were about continuity, about getting challenged to be better, play more, trying to achieve something that seemed impossible at the begining.
Go to lvl 80 area on lvl 2 and kill something. Talking about impossible at the beginning...
How about GW2?
You reach 80 in like 10-15 days, u get the best available equipment easier than any other game.
IF you have no life. I play since headstart + with experience from beta. It's almost a month and I'm lvl 26 and my other toon is lvl 30...
You cant make any money by farming or using the TP (spending 20g to get 21 isnt money making...)
On lvl 20 I already had 1g while buying what I wanted and saving time buying mats for crafting (dedicated crafter here) without buying money from gems. How ? I was making stuff and learning profession while I was selling mats I don't need. And I'm selling items like inventory boxes and stuff without problem. And it's easier day by day.
Everything is about dyes and better looking armor as if it is a fashion show.
Same in every MMO. You want to look cool. This is why I love system when I can transmutate items and dye them. Only better is in DCUO where I could just choose how I look from models I gathered by collecting items.
Every mob is aggro, so you have to kill everything to get pass through an area even if you are 60 lvl higher due to lvl scale.
At least I have something to do and reason to go back to. And I can join my friends in low lvl area and friends from higher lvl do the same. Same with guild. We can gather around some place and do stuff together without worry about lvl. GW2 is social, group oriented game. Get some friends and guild and you will love that system.
Jumping around like a goat to get vistas for a mystic coin.
Vistas, that's one. Point of interest are second. Jumping puzzles and hidden treasures - that's also fun but not marked on the map. Exploration my friend - something other MMO forgot.
Having 100% explored for 50 copper and a blue trash item.
Gather some copper, gather other stuff. Sell what you don't need, buy more copper. Also after you lvl up a little your crafting you will start usin iron and other stuff that are much cheaper (iron is 6 bronze / unit while copper is 6 time more expensive). Leveling up crafting is fast and fun (discover items and make them). Try to craft what you can also sell.
Dungeons are a joke and rewards even bigger joke.
Just yesterday people complained that dungeons are hard like hell and you really need to know what to do to finish them. We don't complain about rewards. Those are fine. Where is your problem ? NEVER HAPPY PEOPLE
No raid bosses that require strategy and months of preparation.
Preparation... are you talking about months of grinding gear just to kill something ? Sorry, I have a job. I don't need another one after I return to home. I want to pick up armor, weapon, give it all and kill something big.
WvW should be about getting a castle with your guild and keep it for a certain amount of time until someone sieges you. (like lineage2) .
This is working like that. Each team have castle, towers, forts and shit and they want to capture everyone else stuff. Where is your problem ? Yeah, we could use more open world pvp but that's future.
Spvp without ranking system? i know better looking items...
There should be tournaments at some point. Even cross server tournaments if I remember.
Equality ruins every MMO.
I mean one who is a good player or plays many hours should have more benefits from one who is bad or plays less.
When game decide advantage based on hours you spend in the game - you will fail. Because people who pay are usually people that have jobs. No-lifers make 8-10 hours session while people like us play 1-2 hours and not every day. So what is point of playing game that will never allow me to achive something because I don't play enough ?
GW2 give me ability to kick no-lifer ass if I'm good enoug. And no-lifer should not cry about because I was just better. Giving him amount of hours he spend in game he should have no problem with me.
So in the end. No matter the time - in GW2 if you are bad - you are bad. Not even another 100 hours playing this week will change that.
Im still searching for an mmo without instances, with decent graphics,strategy, where your actions matter and there are consequences when u kill/die.
EVE - spreadsheet online ? Played and loved it. And it's exacly what you are asking. If you like being a ship in vast empty space.
Originally posted by Kaelano1 Originally posted by vort3xOriginally posted by drakaenaWhat aspect of GW2 separates skilled players from unskilled? Just curious.
Um, maybe you should get a team of 5 and try some tournaments? You'll get it from here on...I watched a guy playing with just his face. Forget your supposed skill.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the OP is complaining about the lack of character progression in this game.
It's some of us have criticized and have been turned off about. They might as well just had no levels at all since you can basically get all your weapon skills at level ... levels really don't mean fuck all in this game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the OP is complaining about the lack of character progression in this game.
It's some of us have criticized and have been turned off about. They might as well just had no levels at all since you can basically get all your weapon skills at level ... levels really don't mean fuck all in this game.
As far as I see - on lvl 3-5 you can have all your weapon skills unlocked. For all weapons you can use.
Around lvl 30-40 you will have all skills you want unlocked.
Around lvl 80 you will have everything unlocked.
Level progression in this game isn't like in any other game when after time you 1-shot bosses lvl 10 and fight for hours with lvl 80 just to 1-shot them at lvl 150. Lvl is just like access to certain areas. You expand teritiory you can move around without getting killed every few minutes.
If someone played beta - that person should realize quite fast. If someone didn't - well sorry do disapoint. If you want to feel all almighty then go and 1-shot rabbit. They are all over the game :-D
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the OP is complaining about the lack of character progression in this game.
It's some of us have criticized and have been turned off about. They might as well just had no levels at all since you can basically get all your weapon skills at level ... levels really don't mean fuck all in this game.
As far as I see - on lvl 3-5 you can have all your weapon skills unlocked. For all weapons you can use.
Around lvl 30-40 you will have all skills you want unlocked.
Around lvl 80 you will have everything unlocked.
Level progression in this game isn't like in any other game when after time you 1-shot bosses lvl 10 and fight for hours with lvl 80 just to 1-shot them at lvl 150. Lvl is just like access to certain areas. You expand teritiory you can move around without getting killed every few minutes.
If someone played beta - that person should realize quite fast. If someone didn't - well sorry do disapoint. If you want to feel all almighty then go and 1-shot rabbit. They are all over the game :-D
I am currently 80 lvl since like a week, reached cap at 30% exploration or something, now i am like 85% missing some 1-15 starting areas. Jumping around those starting areas i thought wtf am i doing?
Is it fun for you to search for vistas ? Sure it was fun for the first 10-20-50 times.. Do it 500 times its fun!
No Its grinding.
And as for a reward you ll get 10k xp for your maxed out character and 2 dyes and 30 copper.
Isnt it obvious that this money drain is about getting gems for money and change it to gold?
Someone said this game isnt for everyone. IMHO the problem is that it IS for everyone.
Whats the difference between winning 2 tournaments and 200 tournaments? Will i gain something?
Will someone lose something and try to overcome me?
To those who dont understand what im saying i ll give you a plain example.
Lets say there is a plant that spawns 1 time a day in a persistent environment and gathering that, gets you a legendary weapon.
How many guilds would fight over that?
Wouldnt that be challenging?
Wouldnt that create politics in a game (alliances etc) ?
I mean one who is a good player or plays many hours should have more benefits from one who is bad or plays less.
Im still searching for an mmo without instances, with decent graphics,strategy, where your actions matter and there are consequences when u kill/die.
Enough with these mainstream carebear games!
Eve Online
/thread
i like the concept of Eve but not the gameplay. I had my hopes up for Tera, gameplay was pretty good but the concept and lack of endgame ruined it too like gw2
Originally posted by lifeordinary People look for meaning in video games? i mean if i am having fun that is all i am looking for.
But for how long? That is his main point. The more persistant your actions the longer the interest. And we're not referring to a red hat verses a green hat.
Originally posted by lifeordinary People look for meaning in video games? i mean if i am having fun that is all i am looking for.
/thread even though it won't happen but this is all that needed to be said honestly.
Enjoy life guys and peace.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Originally posted by lifeordinary People look for meaning in video games? i mean if i am having fun that is all i am looking for.
But for how long? That is his main point. The more persistant your actions the longer the interest. And we're not referring to a red hat verses a green hat.
Still having fun, but honestly this game isn't asking you to stick to it solely, I swear I must be missing something but there are good P2P games out there that give you that lil extra piece of thing to raid for each month where you can pay extra 15 dollars.
GW2 or better yet A-Net obviousely got their own goal, they giving out options for long term(what is he talking about?) fun.
Long term being wvwvw, spvp, completing 100%, legendary stuff, maxing your character out by traits, skill points, getting the look and build you want, and few other things.
If you don't digg it then bounce, I swear they not asking you to stay to this only, hell Borderlands 2 just came out, i already know I'm getting 2k13,Halo 4, Assasin Creed 3, Black Ops2(maybe), already playing Battlefield 3 dlc, and of course there is life we all must enjoy outside of gaming and etc.
I'm glade though that I can come back and have fun on an MMO when ever I want but like I said in another thread not only is it B2P but the gameplay is fun as hell and not like WoW(simple ikr).
Honestly though if you don't digg the longer term options GW2 has please skidaddle, move on in life, worry about ArcheAge(which I will be getting and playing alongside GW2 expansions). I don't see anyone on a leashbut that's the point) eff that, sound silly as hell, "Oh but I gotta stick to this game." Man they gave options, you don't like em, wait and see if they bring something your way, or just move on lol.
Enjoy life fellas, peace.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Originally posted by lifeordinary People look for meaning in video games? i mean if i am having fun that is all i am looking for.
But for how long? That is his main point. The more persistant your actions the longer the interest. And we're not referring to a red hat verses a green hat.
If you don't digg it then bounce, I swear they not asking you to stay to this only, hell Borderlands 2 just came out, i already know I'm getting 2k13,Halo 4, Assasin Creed 3, Black Ops2(maybe), already playing Battlefield 3 dlc, and of course there is life we all must enjoy outside of gaming and etc.
Yeah we were hopinh for something that had a little more staying power. Something with a little more depth than a counsole game. Against all odds, a main game if you will.
Originally posted by lifeordinary People look for meaning in video games? i mean if i am having fun that is all i am looking for.
But for how long? That is his main point. The more persistant your actions the longer the interest. And we're not referring to a red hat verses a green hat.
If you don't digg it then bounce, I swear they not asking you to stay to this only, hell Borderlands 2 just came out, i already know I'm getting 2k13,Halo 4, Assasin Creed 3, Black Ops2(maybe), already playing Battlefield 3 dlc, and of course there is life we all must enjoy outside of gaming and etc.
Yeah we were hopinh for something that had a little more staying power. Something with a little more depth than a counsole game. Against all odds, a main game if you will.
main game for me and many many others so far.. TSW isn't main game for you? only more depth for a recently released game I'd like for this game is more progression in the weapon skills and some more rankings for WvW.. aside from that it has pretty much all the progression you could ask for in a newly released MMO.. with multiple branching stories and everything else you have tons of replayability as well.. maybe not be your cup of tea but it does have TONS of options to do a multitude of differn't things to last a very long while.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Originally posted by Aerowyn Originally posted by bcbullyOriginally posted by RizelStarOriginally posted by snapfusionOriginally posted by lifeordinaryPeople look for meaning in video games? i mean if i am having fun that is all i am looking for.
But for how long? That is his main point. The more persistant your actions the longer the interest. And we're not referring to a red hat verses a green hat.If you don't digg it then bounce, I swear they not asking you to stay to this only, hell Borderlands 2 just came out, i already know I'm getting 2k13,Halo 4, Assasin Creed 3, Black Ops2(maybe), already playing Battlefield 3 dlc, and of course there is life we all must enjoy outside of gaming and etc.Yeah we were hopinh for something that had a little more staying power. Something with a little more depth than a counsole game. Against all odds, a main game if you will.main game for me and many many others so far.. TSW isn't main game for you? only more depth for a recently released game I'd like for this game is more progression in the weapon skills and some more rankings for WvW.. aside from that it has pretty much all the progression you could ask for in a newly released MMO.. with multiple branching stories and everything else you have tons of replayability as well.. maybe not be your cup of tea but it does have TONS of options to do a multitude of differn't things to last a very long while.
Yeah post that list of 80 tings to do in GW2. Its always good for a lol
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I just hope people on both sides of the fence have issues - both Uber Fans and the anti-GW2 people. Both need to chill and just let the situation evolve.
I watched a guy playing with just his face. Forget your supposed skill.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/365365/Just-amazing-its-a-live-stream-check-it-out.html
Yeah righto. But this is an open forum you should be able to express all your gaming experiences freely within the rules of the website.
Response in question is neither examining the ops post or disputing it's rather saying "If you don't like what the game is offering go find another game"
Just like this, How is this constructive?TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
Final Fantasy XI
Played it for 9 years, best mmorpg that will ever have been released. If you want a Relic Item it will take about 1-5 years and several events per week with 30-60 players. (Maybe nerfed it last years though)
on the other hand standing around in game wearing raid gear that you devoted hundreds of hours of your life to obatin is sooooo meaningful ,,,uh yeah. at least till teh next expansion then you get to jump back on the raid hampster wheel to obtain more meaningful gear
as long as you find it fun more power to you, myself I will play a less meaningful but more enjoyable for my palystyle game. There are plenty of gear grinders out there, enjoy
I miss DAoC
I watched a guy playing with just his face. Forget your supposed skill.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/365365/Just-amazing-its-a-live-stream-check-it-out.html
Have to aplaude a person for playing even when it must be extremely difficult.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the OP is complaining about the lack of character progression in this game.
It's some of us have criticized and have been turned off about. They might as well just had no levels at all since you can basically get all your weapon skills at level ... levels really don't mean fuck all in this game.
Eve Online
/thread
I think I actually spent way more time reading and theorycrafting about MMOs than playing them
As far as I see - on lvl 3-5 you can have all your weapon skills unlocked. For all weapons you can use.
Around lvl 30-40 you will have all skills you want unlocked.
Around lvl 80 you will have everything unlocked.
Level progression in this game isn't like in any other game when after time you 1-shot bosses lvl 10 and fight for hours with lvl 80 just to 1-shot them at lvl 150. Lvl is just like access to certain areas. You expand teritiory you can move around without getting killed every few minutes.
If someone played beta - that person should realize quite fast. If someone didn't - well sorry do disapoint. If you want to feel all almighty then go and 1-shot rabbit. They are all over the game :-D
So basically, if you don't like it, "f*ck off?"
I am currently 80 lvl since like a week, reached cap at 30% exploration or something, now i am like 85% missing some 1-15 starting areas. Jumping around those starting areas i thought wtf am i doing?
Is it fun for you to search for vistas ? Sure it was fun for the first 10-20-50 times.. Do it 500 times its fun!
No Its grinding.
And as for a reward you ll get 10k xp for your maxed out character and 2 dyes and 30 copper.
Isnt it obvious that this money drain is about getting gems for money and change it to gold?
Someone said this game isnt for everyone. IMHO the problem is that it IS for everyone.
Whats the difference between winning 2 tournaments and 200 tournaments? Will i gain something?
Will someone lose something and try to overcome me?
To those who dont understand what im saying i ll give you a plain example.
Lets say there is a plant that spawns 1 time a day in a persistent environment and gathering that, gets you a legendary weapon.
How many guilds would fight over that?
Wouldnt that be challenging?
Wouldnt that create politics in a game (alliances etc) ?
It should be that simple.
Level scaling has basically no effect, it just makes it where you don't one shot kill things.
Ever since I hit 80 I can go back to 1-15 or 30-45 zones and NEVER die. In fact, I can kill just about everything with ONE Hundred Blades Skill.
And as for the aggro mobs, learn how to dodge/roll buddy and use a swiftness skill.
i like the concept of Eve but not the gameplay. I had my hopes up for Tera, gameplay was pretty good but the concept and lack of endgame ruined it too like gw2
hehe its true, I saw the same video. Guess this means GW2 is really face roll easy.
simple and truthful
NICE! Already starting with the false-hype and lies I see.
Sorry, but I've actually played Blade & Soul in korea. The game is essentially TERA (linear themepark) with better combat, and nicer looking graphics.
It's nothing like Lineage II.
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
I'd describe B&S as a Kung-Fu version of SWTOR. It's not a seamless world like Tera. It's highly instanced and story/cut-scene driven.
But for how long? That is his main point. The more persistant your actions the longer the interest. And we're not referring to a red hat verses a green hat.
/thread even though it won't happen but this is all that needed to be said honestly.
Enjoy life guys and peace.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Still having fun, but honestly this game isn't asking you to stick to it solely, I swear I must be missing something but there are good P2P games out there that give you that lil extra piece of thing to raid for each month where you can pay extra 15 dollars.
GW2 or better yet A-Net obviousely got their own goal, they giving out options for long term(what is he talking about?) fun.
Long term being wvwvw, spvp, completing 100%, legendary stuff, maxing your character out by traits, skill points, getting the look and build you want, and few other things.
If you don't digg it then bounce, I swear they not asking you to stay to this only, hell Borderlands 2 just came out, i already know I'm getting 2k13,Halo 4, Assasin Creed 3, Black Ops2(maybe), already playing Battlefield 3 dlc, and of course there is life we all must enjoy outside of gaming and etc.
I'm glade though that I can come back and have fun on an MMO when ever I want but like I said in another thread not only is it B2P but the gameplay is fun as hell and not like WoW(simple ikr).
Honestly though if you don't digg the longer term options GW2 has please skidaddle, move on in life, worry about ArcheAge(which I will be getting and playing alongside GW2 expansions). I don't see anyone on a leashbut that's the point) eff that, sound silly as hell, "Oh but I gotta stick to this game." Man they gave options, you don't like em, wait and see if they bring something your way, or just move on lol.
Enjoy life fellas, peace.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Yeah we were hopinh for something that had a little more staying power. Something with a little more depth than a counsole game. Against all odds, a main game if you will.
main game for me and many many others so far.. TSW isn't main game for you? only more depth for a recently released game I'd like for this game is more progression in the weapon skills and some more rankings for WvW.. aside from that it has pretty much all the progression you could ask for in a newly released MMO.. with multiple branching stories and everything else you have tons of replayability as well.. maybe not be your cup of tea but it does have TONS of options to do a multitude of differn't things to last a very long while.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
If you don't digg it then bounce, I swear they not asking you to stay to this only, hell Borderlands 2 just came out, i already know I'm getting 2k13,Halo 4, Assasin Creed 3, Black Ops2(maybe), already playing Battlefield 3 dlc, and of course there is life we all must enjoy outside of gaming and etc.
Yeah we were hopinh for something that had a little more staying power. Something with a little more depth than a counsole game. Against all odds, a main game if you will.
main game for me and many many others so far.. TSW isn't main game for you? only more depth for a recently released game I'd like for this game is more progression in the weapon skills and some more rankings for WvW.. aside from that it has pretty much all the progression you could ask for in a newly released MMO.. with multiple branching stories and everything else you have tons of replayability as well.. maybe not be your cup of tea but it does have TONS of options to do a multitude of differn't things to last a very long while.
Yeah post that list of 80 tings to do in GW2. Its always good for a lol