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I really don't understand the bashing against GW2
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He believes. His opinion. Others share his opinion and others, like yourself, dont. Its not a crime to dissagree.
It was the people in the BWE's doing the most hyping, ironically.
When people are making remarks like, "It's a genre changer", "quest hubs are dead" and are asking questions about how it's changed the way MMOs will be made going forward, when the game wasn't even out 2 weeks yet... That's pure hype. 100%.
There were tons of people saying such things, around here and elsewhere.
Anyone who tries to now turn around and claim there was no hype is absolutely full of it... or has a serious memory problem.
You're absolutely right about the hype backlash, too.
that was my exact point.. but guess it went right over your head... that's why I said nm earlier
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Ever heard the phrase "what sounds good on paper doesnt always work well in practice"?
It doesnt matter how much people knew before the game came out or even that they played it on the bwe's, what matters is how much fun they got out of the game when playing it for weeks.
Lack of progression, buggy/broken events, zergy dungeons, 6hour wvw queu's with unbalanced matches, hackers/botters, are all things that we didnt know would be bad until the game had been live for a few weeks
it was people playing hyping the game which to me is a lot better than most games that are hyped from just devs and a couple teaser videos..
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
GW2 like any other game is subject to each players personal opinions about how good it is and these opinions will vary based on many aspects of the game..
In my honest and unbiased opinion after playing gw2 from the first alpha right up to today is hands down the best mmo currently out if not the best mmo ever made and the game is just a little over 2 months old...
The game isnt perfect but no other games that have been out for 10 plus years are either..
The game delivered on its hype for many but for others it didnt for various reasons many that can be considered legit..
Its a buy once play as long as you want game that in many aspects beats and or rivals any currently existing games with the promise of only getting better with time..
Playing GW2..
I wish someone would invent a tab option to show inflection in peoples posts. would make things so much easier.
Another day. Still treading in the same circles.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I keep saying gw2´s biggest enemy are it´s fanboys.
As a gw2 player i can honestly say i am 10 times more tired of the exagerated defenses than from the naysaying.
They should have known that it could been that "bad" and be prepared for a such situation. If they are still willing to gamble then that's their choice and they have to take responsability for that.
Lack of progression <---- The game was not supposed to be about progression.
Buggy/broken events <--- Any MMORPG always releases with bugs.
Zergy dungeons <--- Completely possible outcome of the dungeon design
6hour www queues <- Should have been seen as a possible scenario given that there is not infinite performance.
Unbalanced matches <--- The possibility of unbalance is to be expected.
Hackers/botters <---- Very common in MMORPGs.
Perhaps its to ealry in the morning for me and im to lvl headed. let the day progress and perhaps my tone with harden
tried to have a nice conversation about permadeath in wizardry forum but no one seems to want that discussion.. what can you do...
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Yeah that is total nonsense of course.
So if I like e.g. the movie "Skyfall", and I tell to my friends that I liked it, then they go to the movies and dislike it, it's MY fault for being honest about my opinion and telling them I liked it and thought it's a good movie? I should have lied and told them it's crap so they don't risk to pay money for a movie they don't like? Really?
Please, stop this crap thinking. I know the new generation doesn't like to deal with their own responsibilities and like to blame others for their own shortcomings and mistakes, but this is just pure nonsense. And what's sad is that this kind of arguments come from adults (according to their profile age)... coming from a teenager with no experience of life, I'd understand, but here... it's just plain sad.
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Move on, of course.
No worries, it's Saturday; there should be a dozen new trolling threads started, assuming mmorpg.com continues to keep the same weekly schedule.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
yup but seems what fuels most the posts according to this thread that and retailliation for ruining the forums apparently
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
That's a rather poor, and very inaccurate generalization.
Doesn't matter who it comes from. It's still hype and it's still unrealistic.
AOC was hyped by its beta players, devs, teaser videos and articles.
TOR was hyped by its beta players, teaser videos, devs and quite enthusiastically (to put it mildly) by writers on various websites, including this one. There was a TOR love-fest on this site for a while.
Darkfall Online had its share of rather rabid fans ripping anyone to shreds who dared disagree that it would single-handedly change what people expected in MMOs - and they couldn't have been farther from the truth on that one.
The list goes on. Just about any half-way major MMO release that comes along is hyped up by its fans, developers/PR and various websites/authors. People who dissent, or express doubt are immediately pounced upon for daring to not agree.
It's typically the fans who are the worst about it because not only are they hyping it up to absurd degrees, they're trying to silence and stifle anyone who disagrees with them.
ANet/GW2 fans have been among the worst in recent memory in that regard. To declare a MMO is "a genre changer", before it's even launched yet, is hyperbole to the extreme. The only other MMO that comes close to the amount of unfettered hype GW2 has received is TOR.
Thats like saying you knew what the film was about and have seen the trailer, therefore you cant complain.
The game was not supposed to be about progression. - Agreed but what sounds good on paper.....
Any MMORPG always releases with bugs. - Granted but maps with 50% broken content should never have gotten past the beta stage
Should have been seen as a possible scenario given that there is not infinite performance. - oh good that makes waiting in a 6hour que much more fun, thanks
The possibility of unbalance is to be expected. - doesnt make them fun or enjoyable tho
Very common in MMORPGs - not to this extent, ive been playing mmo's for 7 years and never seen as many hackers/botters as i do here
And tbh those things are completely besides the point as I was just pointing out that the floors in the game werent known by everyone going in as you couldnt know how bad they would be before the game was out
OP is right - GW2 is the most flamed and bashed MMO of all times. My theory: There are some people who get payed for.
I mean, I do not like WoW, but I would never waste my time to flame it almost every day ( some guys here on this forums do that).
Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.
For being in the beta of that game, I can say this is not true. In both games, there was a quite large part of the testers saying the game was not ready, actually all the testers who had seen more than just Tortage. Not to mention the strategy of Funcom to restrict most testers to that polished part of the game. And even those restricted to Tortage saw the game bugs, instability of the client and other problems.
Funcom just ignored that and released. Their bad.
Respect, walk
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Because the hate started so very early and fed the hype flames with free negative publicity?
Yes, essentially. The one thing hype-retaliators don't seem to get; they're responsible for half of the traffic.
When teamA gets to arguing with teamB on a daily and consistant basis, they both grow more extreme. That's just how polarity works on forums.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
As long as the companies involved have held their part of the deal in a legal sense, then the customer has no moral right to complain, in my opinion. If you are not sure if you will like a product as much as you want to, then you can simply just refrain from purchasing that product.
If the companies have broken the law in some way, then sue them.
no instanced raids.. should be better for you?.. but yes meta events are in fact raids.. but again like many things such as what's a sandbox? you will get 100 differn't opinions on what defines that and what's a MMORPG? that seems to be a hot topic as well
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
That way lies tin foil chappeaus and alien mind-control cell phone towers. Just stop.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
And another nonsense post from our friend bcbully. Of course, he conveniently ignores that Aero clearly exposed the difference between classic raids like in EQ, WoW or LOTRO, and the open world raid like encounters in GW2. She clearly said that there are raid like encounters requiring a lot of people to beat, but that they are very different from the time comitment based raids in other games. But let's ignore that and just bash the poster - it's more fun and makes you feel like you are right, in your own mind.
Statements like this is what makes some GW2 fans wonder what people like bcbully are still doing in this forum - spreading lies, partially quoted posts and other misleading information just to bash the game and its players.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023