Why does everyone say WOW is for casual gamers?

scaramoosh · November 2005

2005-11-02 01:57:32.000

moonfog · November 2005

Originally posted by scaramoosh

People say the rest xp makes it for a casual gamer, tbh i get more dpuble XP on EQ2 where i can gain 2 levels from it like and it goes up alot faster than WOW's too!

Hm, whats "dpuble" and "tbh"?

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, and are just rambling to make silly Topics in an atempt to seem involved.
EQ2 is alot more longer process in leveling. There is no discussion here, everyone knows this.

WOW, is for casual games because of the amount of rested XP you get for being away and mobs give high XP in "normal" play compaired to EQ2. Also on the drops which are pleantyful making the game easier for casual gamers to get items.

brostyn · November 2005

WoW is casual until level 60. Then they do a complete 360, nay 720 on you, and its about as bad as EQ1. I hated it. Its the exact same endgame and lfg for hours crap I put up with from EQ. However, if you just like playing to lvl 60 then its pretty cool.

Dinion · November 2005

Plain and Simple. Pretty fun and Casaul up to level 60, then you start an alt.

Phoenixs · November 2005

In the time I spend from lvl 14-15 in Everquest 2 I can lvl from 10-15 in Wow. From 0-60 it's very casual friendly, the rest system is also way more casual friendly than EQ2 version of it. It's after 60 it get's hardcore, if you want to stay the best.

Lunchbox76 · November 2005

I have to agree with above. I tried both for one month. With eq2 I managed to solo up to level 18, in wow I managed to get all the way to 28 thats just playing a few hours a day. Not to mention wow is just easier to play in general the crafting is easy and doesnt frustrate you and theres not as much regen time as eq2. Imo its perfect for someone only playing a few hours a day or anyone new to mmorpg's, and eq2 also in sutle ways forces you to group at certain points, and unless you group or are in a guild you miss half the content, in wow you dont really miss much until higher levels.

abnesher · November 2005

Originally posted by scaramoosh

I'd say it's not for casual gamers because to do things like Guild Raids and staying at rank 14 PVP just so you can keep using ur armor (which was changed) takes alot of effort and dedication.

We might not all agree on the definition of a casual player, but in my book a casual player can never expect to experience the real high-end stuff. As an example; to maintain rank 14 in PVP i dont consider a task for a casual player. If anyone (as a casual player) demands to be able to be the best and see everything, that person has a problem and has misunderstood how things work in mmorpgs...and probably in real life too. You dont get to be a guitar-wiz by buying a guitar...you have to spend time on it too

The reason WoW is good for the casual player, is that in the lvl-range 1-59 you can log on for 30 mins and get something useful done...its JUST as simple as that. When you reach lvl 60 it gets harder to do anything but farm stuff if you havent got the 2+ hours usually needed to do a higher lvl instance (same goes for low-instances btw). I define myself as a casual (WoW)player, and when i only have 30mins-1hour i log on and lvl my alts or farm with my lvl 60. I mostly get about one 3hour long play-session a week, and in that time i can do a raid in a higher lvl instance and i might be lucky to get a nice drop....and THATS the way my casual ass will get some of the hich lvl equipment.....eventually.

When i think back at my EQ-days i could NEVER log on for 30 mins and do anything meaningful.

WoW is very good at fullfilling the needs of a casual player. If your needs are greater than what u can achieve in the casual time frame, guess what....you are a hardcore player with not enuff time :P

zethcarn · November 2005

WoW's casualness is also what makes it incredibly boring to me..

abnesher · November 2005

I can really understand that Zeth I'm just happy it fits me...and i'd love to recommend it to everyone else who doesnt have loads of time to use on mmorpgs. And thats why i had to respond to this post, which i think sounds more like a EQ2 vs. WoW-post

Good luck on finding a game that suits your needs better

hadz · November 2005

Originally posted by scaramoosh

People say the rest xp makes it for a casual gamer, tbh i get more dpuble XP on EQ2 where i can gain 2 levels from it like and it goes up alot faster than WOW's too!

Having played both for quite a while I would definitely say that EQ2's rest system gives alot more "double-xp time" than WoW's. The thing that makes WoW a lot more casual friendly is that the levels require much less xp (compared to what mob-kills give you) and the quests give a lot greater xp than EQ2.

Giving an example in the middle level ranges; at lvl 30 on my WoW Druid I could knock over 2 levels in less than 4 hours (from a fully rested state...and including a fair bit of running around for quests), while my lvl 25 Conjurer would take about 3 hours for one level (from fully rested...and just grinding mobs...not that I ever could catch up with rested % in EQ2 without playing for 6 to 8 hours straight).

The problem is EQ2 also FEELS way more like grind than WoW does (mainly because of the ultra low quest rewards that render doing any quests virtually pointless...I mean when you can get 2% xp (in rested state) from a white 3-mob group that takes about 1 to 1.5 mins to kill solo, compared to 1% for a search/run quest that takes 10 to 20 mins). If you do EQ2's quests the game will take massively longer than just grinding.

EDIT: This is dredged from my feeble long-term-memory so I'm sure the figures aren't exact, but they'd be pretty close. Damn TV made my...what was I talking about...

leipuri · November 2005

Originally posted by brostyn
WoW is casual until level 60. Then they do a complete 360, nay 720 on you, and its about as bad as EQ1. I hated it. Its the exact same endgame and lfg for hours crap I put up with from EQ. However, if you just like playing to lvl 60 then its pretty cool.

Wait till they add these extra levels in expansion. I bet these 60 to 70 will be like from 1 to 60. Not to mention they will keep adding new items that wil be better than old ones so you need to grind instances for these if you want to stay competive in pvp.

Aseenus · November 2005

well put young sir :P

id say guild wars is more for casual gamers but u can say that once u get to level 60 its a casual typed game

Kwahn · November 2005

I've been playing MMO's for about 10-11 years now, on a daily basis. I've played every one of the major ones...from UO to EQ to AC to AO etc etc...I would have to say that having played WoW for the last 4 months, it is still by far the best and most fun I have had in a game. If you want it to be a casual game then it is. If you want it to be a Powergame it is that as well. This game is truly what you make of it. And that is the beauty of it.

I took a character to 60 on the alliance side, and now am over on the Horde side and love the game even more!

A poster here already said it and I agree wholeheartedly that WoW really never feels like a grind if you do quests, pvp a little and get into tradeskilling/collecting for treadeskills.

Throw into that mix playing with alot of friends and it's a game that I just can't stay away from

Signe · November 2005

I guess it depends on the person. I found EQ2 to be equally as boring as WoW, though much less casual. I have no idea why... my husband still plays WoW, long after I wandered off. I played EQ2 for a month or so after I had beta tested it and it put me right to sleep. I hear it's become a better game after the last few updates and expansions, though. Evidently, they've begun to include quite a bit of solo content. I did, however, find WoW to be about as easy and casual as you can get. Usually, this would be a good thing for me as I'm a very, very casual player, for the most part... I just didn't much care for either game.

angerr · November 2005

wow is a awsome game for a casual player, but to spend 10 hours a day grinding pvp instances (usually the same one over and over) just to get item upgrades got old real fast for me.

the reason i quit playing wow is after i spent at least 50 hours at rank 7 pvping in the same instance, and my honor bar moved like l l that much! just not worth my time and im tired of making alts ::::16::

Sturmwind · November 2005

Originally posted by Kwahn

I've been playing MMO's for about 10-11 years now, on a daily basis. I've played every one of the major ones...from UO to EQ to AC to AO etc etc...I would have to say that having played WoW for the last 4 months, it is still by far the best and most fun I have had in a game. If you want it to be a casual game then it is. If you want it to be a Powergame it is that as well. This game is truly what you make of it. And that is the beauty of it.
I took a character to 60 on the alliance side, and now am over on the Horde side and love the game even more!
A poster here already said it and I agree wholeheartedly that WoW really never feels like a grind if you do quests, pvp a little and get into tradeskilling/collecting for treadeskills.
Throw into that mix playing with alot of friends and it's a game that I just can't stay away from

What a loser.

WoW is for casual players people you can just start the game and jump right into some mind numbingly meaningless task. I took a character to 60 and regreted it because it always left me with that unfulfilled feeling.

EQ2 is still a casual player's game compared to FFXI. FFXI is for people who can make a commitment and expect to get out of a game exactly what they put it in, and then some sometimes.

Casual player's games usually dont offer any real depth. Depth is very important for games these days.

angerr · November 2005

Originally posted by Sturmwind
Originally posted by Kwahn
I've been playing MMO's for about 10-11 years now, on a daily basis. I've played every one of the major ones...from UO to EQ to AC to AO etc etc...I would have to say that having played WoW for the last 4 months, it is still by far the best and most fun I have had in a game. If you want it to be a casual game then it is. If you want it to be a Powergame it is that as well. This game is truly what you make of it. And that is the beauty of it.
I took a character to 60 on the alliance side, and now am over on the Horde side and love the game even more!
A poster here already said it and I agree wholeheartedly that WoW really never feels like a grind if you do quests, pvp a little and get into tradeskilling/collecting for treadeskills.
Throw into that mix playing with alot of friends and it's a game that I just can't stay away from
What a loser.
WoW is for casual players people you can just start the game and jump right into some mind numbingly meaningless task. I took a character to 60 and regreted it because it always left me with that unfulfilled feeling.
EQ2 is still a casual player's game compared to FFXI. FFXI is for people who can make a commitment and expect to get out of a game exactly what they put it in, and then some sometimes.
Casual player's games usually dont offer any real depth. Depth is very important for games these days.

and he is a loser because he has a different opinion than you? i dont get that ::::37::

saturn1234 · November 2005

Someone shouldnt have to make a commitment to a game to have fun, that is just stupid.

World of Warcraft is one of those things that people hate because it is so popular, dont listen to them.

They are like, zomg, its way too casual and I leveled to 60 in 45 minutes. What a terrible game, repetitive quests and GRINDING.

World of Warcraft is the best mmorpg on the market right now, so of course there will be people who hate it for various reasons.

This comes from a person who has actually tried every mmorpg possible. Level 60 is actually the level that you never look for a group at all. You go to the larger raids with your guild, so apparently you do not have a level 60.

If you dont have a guild, which I cant imagine unless you are completely socially inept, then it is impossible to get a pick up group to MC or Onyxia.

In conclusions, people call world of warcraft too casual are basically either people who hate things just because they are popular, or do not seem to understand what a mmorpg is.......

I do not know anyone who has only soloed to level 60 without grouping, making connections, helping people, and working together to finish some of the quests.

Of course some quests are boring, of course some can get repetative, but you can spice that up with random PvP encounters, or working with some other people. The awesome scenery helps a bunch.

I am not a World of Warcraft fanboy at all, I log out of WoW some nights because I rather play other games (not mmorpg) or look for some new mmorpg betas to try. But I have faced the facts. World of Warcraft will be the best mmorpg to come out for a few years.

GoTHicZ · November 2005

if u buy wow u just got to play a bit more a bit more every time so one day ur sitting there all day....

no casual agmers on wow

Sturmwind · November 2005

Originally posted by saturn1234

Someone shouldnt have to make a commitment to a game to have fun, that is just stupid.
World of Warcraft is one of those things that people hate because it is so popular, dont listen to them.
They are like, zomg, its way too casual and I leveled to 60 in 45 minutes. What a terrible game, repetitive quests and GRINDING.
World of Warcraft is the best mmorpg on the market right now, so of course there will be people who hate it for various reasons.
This comes from a person who has actually tried every mmorpg possible. Level 60 is actually the level that you never look for a group at all. You go to the larger raids with your guild, so apparently you do not have a level 60.
If you dont have a guild, which I cant imagine unless you are completely socially inept, then it is impossible to get a pick up group to MC or Onyxia.
In conclusions, people call world of warcraft too casual are basically either people who hate things just because they are popular, or do not seem to understand what a mmorpg is.......
I do not know anyone who has only soloed to level 60 without grouping, making connections, helping people, and working together to finish some of the quests.
Of course some quests are boring, of course some can get repetative, but you can spice that up with random PvP encounters, or working with some other people. The awesome scenery helps a bunch.
I am not a World of Warcraft fanboy at all, I log out of WoW some nights because I rather play other games (not mmorpg) or look for some new mmorpg betas to try. But I have faced the facts. World of Warcraft will be the best mmorpg to come out for a few years.

You don't HAVE to commit, but when there's commitment involved the level of fun will be a lot greater and rewards a lot better. Like commiting to work out, or commiting to trim a bonzai tree, or commiting to read to your children, and even commiting to read yourself. Playing CS and HL was fun, but it got boring when the clan dissolved and there was nothing to commit to. Simply playing CS isn't enough. In WoW there's a lot of commitment end game, but it's just commitment to run the same raids over and over and over.

WoW is the best MMO on the market if you're a braindead idiot, which is proven by the community AND the developers. There's nothing else to this comment, it's about as true as it gets. Sure there's idiots in other games, but the idiot to intellegent ratios aren't so completely overwhelming. Popularity IS NOT quality. Drugs are popular, so does that mean they're good for you? No, they turn you into a dumbassed WoW fan.

Yes, ALL people who hate WoW are also people who hate things that are popular, or don't understand what an MMO. The definition of an MMO is pretty tricky, so I imagine some RTS fans might accidentally pick up an MMO by accident... yea...

Yes, you are a WoW fan. Being a fanboy of anything increases your enjoyment of it tenfold. You're obviously either deeply infatuated with WoW, or a sheep who allows other people to influence them too freely. Try to think outside whoever's opinion you've adopted. Why, exactly, do you enjoy this game so much?

By the way, the scenery in WoW is fugly. It looks like they ripped the drawing style of each Disney movie and turned it into its own area. Wholley uninspired.

Phoenixs · November 2005

Lol to ^
I thought this thread was about if Wow is casual or not. Not how much you hate it ::::12::

Signe · November 2005

I know! I don't know why I still get surprised at how insane people get over the games they play. They're games... everyone has their own preference... what you play is NOT going to have an impact on world peace or the direction the planets orbit the sun.

What you play is no biggie to anyone but you. Live and let live.

hadz · November 2005

Originally posted by Sturmwind

WoW is the best MMO on the market if you're a braindead idiot, which is proven by the community AND the developers. There's nothing else to this comment, it's about as true as it gets. Sure there's idiots in other games, but the idiot to intellegent ratios aren't so completely overwhelming. Popularity IS NOT quality. Drugs are popular, so does that mean they're good for you? No, they turn you into a dumbassed WoW fan.

Yes, ALL people who hate WoW are also people who hate things that are popular, or don't understand what an MMO. The definition of an MMO is pretty tricky, so I imagine some RTS fans might accidentally pick up an MMO by accident... yea...

Yes, you are a WoW fan. Being a fanboy of anything increases your enjoyment of it tenfold. You're obviously either deeply infatuated with WoW, or a sheep who allows other people to influence them too freely. Try to think outside whoever's opinion you've adopted. Why, exactly, do you enjoy this game so much?

By the way, the scenery in WoW is fugly. It looks like they ripped the drawing style of each Disney movie and turned it into its own area. Wholley uninspired.

Stupidest...post...ever!

OK, just kidding, but really how can you say things like that without expecting to get flamed for it.

YOU play(ed) CS...and YOU'RE calling people braindead idiots?

saturn1234 · November 2005

What mmorpg is better than world of warcraft???

Tell me what it is with good support and I will subscribe immediately.

Judging by your post you havent even played it very much.

Do you know how addicting battlegrounds is with you guild at level 60. You make a raid group and queue up and it is probably the best mmorpg experience I have ever had. Especially Arathi Basin battleground.

The end game PvP in my opinion makes up for a lot of negative aspects.

The end game PvE is twisted and skewed by so many people for others.
You do not have to run MC/Onyxia/ZG to get well geared. It is where you will find the BEST equipment. But 5 man content will do just fine, Scholomance, all these incredible fun and challenging instances get overlooked because people makes themselves believe that they are pidgeon-holed into raid instances.

As I said before, I dont want to play WoW 24/7 at level 60, sometimes I level another character or in most cases play a different game. But right now it is the only mmorpg that I pay for, because of Battlegrounds and tough PvE boss fights.

The raid fights take a lot of dedication, and they are the most well constructed and interesting end game experiences I have ever had.

If you do anything too many times it gets boring. So people need to switch it up every once in a while. Stop running MC for 8 weeks straight. Go level up your honor in the battlegrounds and get ranked. Go level up some trade skills. Go help other people in your guild with tough instances.

So tell me, then, since I am so brain dead, which mmorpg and I missing? If you can find me a game that is better, then please.

Until then, it is the best mmorpg now, and for a few years to come.

Rha-EL · November 2005

WoW is casual because you CAN make 60 in a week, maybe even less than a week if you got a twink helping out dual boxing. Its the most carebear game I have ever heard of, no penalties for PvPing whatsoever makes it unappealing and pointless.

Try Lineage 2, the epitome of hardcore and PvP. You want to know what hardcore means? This game is hardcore. WoW can't touch it.

cheers,

Rha

http://www.lineage2.com

Anofalye · November 2005

Originally posted by saturn1234
The end game PvE is twisted and skewed by so many people for others.
You do not have to run MC/Onyxia/ZG to get well geared. It is where you will find the BEST equipment. But 5 man content will do just fine, Scholomance, all these incredible fun and challenging instances get overlooked because people makes themselves believe that they are pidgeon-holed into raid instances.

Oh, a black guy defending slavery! Nice concept.

The non-raiding part of WoW is a tutorial, nothing more. You are done in no time, it lack deph, focus, hard goal, everything is earned way to fast. It was harder to get to 60 in Diablo just to give you a parallel. So stop trashing me with a best MMO, it is merely a tutorial. As a tutorial it rock, but it remains a tutorial, lack of goals and deepness.

But raiding giving best grouping gear is unacceptable, period. I become a Game Designer to back this point. I am still a noob Game Designer, but everything I learn so far is telling me that I am right and raid enforcers are wrong, since it is 2 differents gameplay. Thereby gameplay A cannot reward players in the gameplay B at the expense of locals players in the say gameplay. End of discussion.

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