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People really need to stop speculating and comeing out with spurios crap and if they want the real information start by trawling through the Hero Engine site and the forums which garners more info about projects especially as most are in Alpha,and our devs are open and honest and the community is always ready to help out a potential player on the official forums.
Also they will then understand the Hero Engine's mechanics and how it is a complete platform for devs to develop and since one Repop dev JC is in Thailand then the Engine becomes paramount to the game being made as the devs are not huddled in a shed in one place but spread across the globe,but Hero allows seemless communication and application of code on the fly which is pretty handy to say the least when codeing such a massive game as Repop.
And Marlon B,is quite correct I have Alpha tested a very early sandbox Hero game Dominus,and was in awe with the scope of the enviroments if I could see something in the distance I could actually get to it because that's how the game was coded,but unlike SWTOR they used the traditional running through a maze enviroment that eventually led out of the boxed in maze to get the bit of cheese at the other end pretty much Themepark and did not utilise the engines potential.
And lastly the graphics for Dominus which were very early alpha Hero 1,good as they were did not have the benefit of the new engine and as I have only seen pictures of Hero 2 can still not comment but as Repop as pretty much taken up the mantle of flagship game for Hero the pics on the Hero Engine 2 promo page look pretty darn good to say the least check out the 4 segmented pics here.
http://www.heroengine.com/2012/11/heroengine-2-empowers-indie-game-developers%E2%80%99-to-focus-on-creativity/
I'm seeing Awesonium support in there as well, that's VERY interesting. I'm debating making a new thread just to highlight this article.
This. I could see the OP point if this was a themepark game, but it isn't.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Sure it'll tank....if by tank you're referring to the Unholy Trinity of fighting PvE bosses in all the WoW-clone themepark MMOs (tank/dps/heal). Using that meaning, it will also DPS the pants off the way WoW taught people to view MMOs. And it will heal the genre in general, hopefully bringing an end to the WoW-clone model of creating an MMO.
Honestly, I get bored with WoW clones to the point of quitting by the time I hit level 20...
I agree with the OP that a small dev team will have problems creating enough content to keep players happy. But this only goes for lineair themepark style content, where only the devs create new content.
But if the dev team instead decides to create sandbox features, like player city building, nation creating, creature taming, they basically create the content creation tools for players to use. This adds way more replayability then lineair questlines. And is something even a smaller dev team can keep up with.
Funny i actually am looking for games made by small teams you wanna know why cause how many AAA quality wow copies can you play before you wanna shoot your monitor, the fact that so many 'potentially' great sandbox games are in the works is a great thing, we might actually see some innovation trickle up to the AAA MMO's which these days are failing left and right.
Secondly those of us that have done real beta testing and not the demo COD crap beta's know that movement is always clunky and the AI's are dumb as dirt during alpha footage. I mean next why don't we complain that no hi-res textures are in the game.....well ya those things all go in later in production.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
It is my believe that your opinion is inconsequential, irrelevant and not worth reading, based on the following logical assertion:
You have close to zero knowledge of this particular game based on your own admission and you expect others to believe that your opinion on this subject has value?
It is like saying that I am going to give a lecture on genetic engineering while I have absolutely no interest in the field and my field of study and work have absolutely no relevance to genetic engineering (or even medicine at all).
It is odd, isn't it?
I hear all the negative stuff being thrown around and it all comes across as those random crazy religious nut jobs in parody movies that walk around saying, "Dooooooom! Doooooom I tell you!"
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
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Atrocitus' logic is sound. Good luck to the game, I will keep an (skeptical) eye on it.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
50k seems to be very good though when you have low development costs
Hate to break it to you, but the current version of Hero isn't all that great either.
Anyway, the game isn't going to do well because it's developed by an underfunded group of amateurs worknig on their pet project. As a result, it will lack any kind of wide-spread appeal. If you think large studio dev's have a hard time listening to player feedback and fixing things reported in betas, you've never dealt with an indie studio so focused on their project that any criticism against it is taken personally rather than professionally. It's a mess.
Repopulation will eventually get released and it will... not do much else. I'm sure there will be a small set of players that love it the way a hipster loves some random shitty 40's swing band, but the game itself will essentially be stuck in a "beta" phase for it's entire lifespan.
In a lot of ways, it will mirror the fate of Darkfall.
You make me like charity
SWTOR had a huge dev house and they released a very mediocre product relative to budget and manpower. From what I have seen and read they have an ambitious plan, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. A little optimism costs me nothing, and it is vaguely to familiar to this SWG vet.
So you're saying you've extensively worked with the current HE version for the entire 3 weeks its been out, right?
"Anyway, the game isn't going to do well because it's developed by an underfunded group of amateurs"
Read their forum, each have been doing what they do for over a decade. Underfunded, they raised 50k in 30 days of Kickstarter, they have continued to offer the same Kickstarter packages on their site, it' been months since, how do you know how much money they raised?
As a result, it will lack any kind of wide-spread appeal.
Hmm lets see, they are number 2 for most anticipated game on this site, I see 2 frontpage articles about Repop on Massively, and you are posting in their thread and don't even like the game. Looks like it has plenty appeal in alpha stages than most games I have seen.
but the game itself will essentially be stuck in a "beta" phase for it's entire lifespan.
The game isn't even out of alpha, and it has naysyers posting in their related threads, put down the crystal ball man. Obviously it's popularity is growing faster than the negative comments in this thread.
Can I get an invite yet?!
The OP got me all excited for this game. I'm sure it's the opposite effect of what he intended. Thanks for that, even if you didn't mean it.
Playing: Darkfall Unholy Wars
Played: Darkfall, EVE, AoC, Ryzom, Ragnarok Online, GW2, PS2, Secret World, WOW, City Of Heroes/Villains, Champion Online.
That's just awesome.
Why do we even bother to argue this game.
The people who will play it would play a game of being a stick rubbing against another stick... And the rest (roughly 8/10 of the gaming population) would not touch it with one of the earlier mentioned sticks.
And no matter how good of a sandbox it is the SWG vets will not be happy.
That is how it is and i wish them the best of luck.
This have been a good conversation
This have been a good conversation
A great many of the features are already in game and working, so failing at the entire goal list just isn't possible.
Don't expect too much from any MMO. It's the best thing that I can tell you from my experience.
Hype is usually sky high until the game is released. Then comes the frustration of not being able to log on the servers due to lag or bugs. And after that, some players reach the end-game content. There are two possibilities: the game is designed to be fun at any level, which usually leads to shallow content at high level, or the game is focused in the final stage of every character. This usually makes the middle-game quite dull, but if the last part is enjoyable, then some players are going to make the investment profitable and the game will survive.