This is a very contiversial issue, but I must say stop with the immune thing as a proof of evolution. If I get a plastic bullet bb gun and shoot my foot normally, im going to get use to it. If I drink beer Im going to become more tolerant to it. As I have posted in a last post that was just like this is...
I really think this is all philosophy and theorys, because 50 years from now people will be laughing at us and these theorys will be better researche or a new thought will be written.
Hmmmm well in that post you wrote a lot... but you said nothing... Have you even seen my handle? it's Methane... it's a chemical if you didn't know.. Apparently you are the one who has not gone to school....
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So here's an experiment ... take a cup of liquid methand into your back yard and flow electricity through it... to turn it into protein... and then wait for it to grow... you might get a new little brother.
Oh, METHANE... I think you're right. That is a chemical, isn't it? God, and to think I'm getting a chemistry minor... As for the experiment, haven't tried it, but I'm pretty sure it works. If not, we'll have to through that crazy evolution theory out the window. But you did make one good point, I do have this nasty habit of accepting odd theories.... like gravity and that whole "earth goin' round the sun" thing.
As a side note: Yeah, I am 18. Doesn't mean I'm not a sophmore in college. Just means I'm trying to do something with my life.
[quote] Originally posted by johnyspiper [b]This is a very contiversial issue, but I must say stop with the immune thing as a proof of evolution. [/quote]
WHY? because its a utterly valid example of evolution?
If I get a plastic bullet bb gun and shoot my foot normally, im going to get use to it. If I drink beer Im going to become more tolerant to it. As I have posted in a last post that was just like this is...
false analogy. Immunity has to do with replication and mutation. Your bb gun example has to do with you getting use to pain. and your beer example has to do with alcohol tolerance. not even the same ballpark
Originally posted by Bissrok Oh, METHANE... I think you're right. That is a chemical, isn't it? God, and to think I'm getting a chemistry minor... As for the experiment, haven't tried it, but I'm pretty sure it works. If not, we'll have to through that crazy evolution theory out the window. But you did make one good point, I do have this nasty habit of accepting odd theories.... like gravity and that whole "earth goin' round the sun" thing. As a side note: Yeah, I am 18. Doesn't mean I'm not a sophmore in college. Just means I'm trying to do something with my life.
Oh REALLY?!?! a minor in chemistry well then lets get to the chemical problems with evolution... Ok Primordial soup was supposedly Methane right? problem.... Methane was not abundant in liquid form around the supposed beginnings of the world
lets just assume methane was available... So methane struck with lightning produces ammino acids.... problem: methane is not dense enough for the massive congregation of amino accides needed for proteins...
ok protein is made from 20 ammino acids... with 100 variations problem: the chance of stable protien being made is very very slim.... probability approaches zero for that one
ok how many ammino acids can be produced in conditions similar to the time of the beginning of the earth... problem...17 of them... still need another 3 for a protein
how many ammino acids are not producable within reasonable conditions... 3 of them we know ... 3 others we dont know...
If we had 50 billion years... with 100 million tries at evolving a protien per year... the chance that a life could be made.. would be somewhere along the lines of 1 in 27 trillion... But... as the little giants say... "there is always that one time..."
here's a couple quotes for you: C.S. Lewis If the existence of life is an accident, then the evolution of man was also an accident, and everything that we have achieved are accidents, and our thoughts are accidental byproducts of the movement of atoms. Meaning why should we believe these accidental accounts of accidents?
Albert Einstein Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
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first - a person said, that there is no point in looking back, only the future(in previous post).... but if we know what exactly happened to make us the way we are, wont we also know the exact way to enhance ourselves?.... kind of like Reverse Engeneering. you take a modern computer back, 50 years lets say, and tools to let them reverse engeneer it, wont that mean that they will be50 years ahead of us in computer technology.... this is a far fetched sort of example, but i think most *intelligent* people will see what im trying to say....
second - basically this is what Evolutionists say: Lighting Striked a pool of what ever, and a little cell sprung up, which evolved etc etc....
ID says: a *god/higher being* made a cell and it evolved.....
Stricktly from a scientific point of view, i think Evolutionist theory sounds "better" ..... we are after all talking about a SCIENCE class here.
Third - Lighting Striking a pool of what ever blah blah... First of, Mister Methan-KnowItAll (dont mean to falme you btw, sorry if it reads that way), your ideas about how many proteins etc etc can not be based on any fact. YOU dont know the condition of the atmosphere, you dont know the temperatures involved, you do not know any of the other chemicals that were in the air that could've acted as a Catalyst for the above mentioned Chemical Reaction, all of those things are important.....And until you get a time traveling machine or some way to prove beyound anyreaasonable doubt/100% the conditions that were at the time of this exact supposed riaction u will NEVER be able to truly say Evolution is not 'real'...
Fourth - I REALLLLLLY hope you werent actually trying to prove something by that 'back yard, ligting comment' you know as well as anyone else with half a brain, that, that experiment can not be possiably be "reliable"
Fith - I dont personally agree with the ID - Idea, strickly because they are trying to prove something that can not be scientifically proven to a science class. The main problem im sure is not just the fact that ID is 'mentioned' in a science class, its the fact that ones it is allowed, then it allows other similar statments/theoried to be adminted into a science class... which in the end COULD open the doors for creationism theories to be admited, without scientifical facts behind it into a science classroom.
Sixth - i was going to mention a couple of other things braught up in the previous posts *yes i did read all of them before making this reply* but i forget them now that i started typing, but i will edit them in, as i remember.
EDIT #1: Just wanted to appalogise in advanced if this sounds a bit like a personal attack/flame, im just trying to be objective *dont know if thats the right word to use*...oh and also for my spelling...
Originally posted by Sawtooth Take a culture of bacteria in a dish. Apply antibiotic. Observe under microscope as most bacteria die, but a few live. Those few are resistant to said antibiotic. Observe now as bacteria multiply, and eventually are as numerous as original culture. Apply same antibiotic. Observe as very few bacteria die, since most were reproduced from resistent bacteria. Evolution. I have done this in a laboratory.
Whether or not some intelligent power set these mechanics in motion, the mechanics themselves are what we call evolution. Evolution I can prove. I can't prove God. Therefore, I leave the teaching of God to the Temples, Churches, Mosques, and any other religious venue the world sees fit. The teaching of science, however, I leave to scientists, who follow scientific methods.
This is not evolution. Its just like how humans become immune to chicken pox, or are given vaccinations. You don't say we evolved. Bacteria just have the ability to pass on resistance to their "children". Evolving would be if a strain of bacteria grew flagella, because it's been exposed to water for so long. Which would not happen quickly.
Fact: The only discernable difference between ID and non-ID theories is the Intelligent part.
Fact: A designer intelligent enough to design a human (or anything else intelligent in some way) would undoubtedly be able to communicate in a meaningful way with said human (or other species).
Test 1: Wait for appearance of said Intelligent Designer and ask him/her/them/it about said design.
Test 2: If Intelligent Designer does not appear...wait longer.
Conclusion: Until some type of intelligent designer of earth and the life on it appears (or doesn't appear) this whole debate is pointless. Therefore, forget it, and go about living your life.
Originally posted by Darktania Scientists claim the Universe was created from The Big Bang. Well just what created The Big Bang? Something had to set up the Big Bang. Yet Scientists avoid that explanation like the plague.
Scientists aren't avoiding the explanation for the big bang. They're diving headlong into explaining it. What they're avoiding like the plague is arguing with a bunch of fundamentalists when they could be doing more important things. This gets misinterpreted by the fundamentalists as the scientists don't want to debate with them because they're afraid. I wouldn't debate something with someone either who's coming from a biased premise. It's futile.
Check this out... It's very cool. And don't go to theologians for science. That's like taking your kid to a brick layer when they're sick.
----- The 10 dimensional superstring theory, for example, gives us a compelling explanation of the origin of the Big Bang, the cosmic explosion which took place 15 to 20 billion years ago, which sent the stars and galaxies hurling in all directions. ------
Originally posted by Ze.Romegu Originally posted by fulmanfu both of those theorys are most likely wrong so who gives a flying puck which one they teachYep.
except one is based on evidence (evolution), one is based on nothing but a book wrote by ancient goat herders (ID, euphamism for Creationism)
Originally posted by hadz I have a test for Intelligent Design... Fact: The only discernable difference between ID and non-ID theories is the Intelligent part. Fact: A designer intelligent enough to design a human (or anything else intelligent in some way) would undoubtedly be able to communicate in a meaningful way with said human (or other species). Test 1: Wait for appearance of said Intelligent Designer and ask him/her/them/it about said design. Test 2: If Intelligent Designer does not appear...wait longer. Conclusion: Until some type of intelligent designer of earth and the life on it appears (or doesn't appear) this whole debate is pointless. Therefore, forget it, and go about living your life.
Don't you know? You're not suposed to TEST ID, you're just susposed to have faith in it.
Originally posted by Darktania Scientists claim the Universe was created from The Big Bang. Well just what created The Big Bang? Something had to set up the Big Bang. Yet Scientists avoid that explanation like the plague.
Scientists aren't avoiding the explanation for the big bang. They're diving headlong into explaining it. What they're avoiding like the plague is arguing with a bunch of fundamentalists when they could be doing more important things. This gets misinterpreted by the fundamentalists as the scientists don't want to debate with them because they're afraid. I wouldn't debate something with someone either who's coming from a biased premise. It's futile.
Check this out... It's very cool. And don't go to theologians for science. That's like taking your kid to a brick layer when they're sick.
----- The 10 dimensional superstring theory, for example, gives us a compelling explanation of the origin of the Big Bang, the cosmic explosion which took place 15 to 20 billion years ago, which sent the stars and galaxies hurling in all directions. ------
Hah. Exactly. Scientist don't argue with fundamentalist, because fundamentalist have no knowledge of science. Therefore, its futile.
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Originally posted by Bissrok Originally posted by Drachonis Comon people, why fight over how we got here when to understand such a thing is probally beyond the scope of learing and experince that all us freaking gamers get. If we really knew what life was about, do you think we would be punching buttons mindlessly to get flashy lights and bonus xp?
Maybe this is the problem. Is anyone else majoring in biology?
I can respect someone else's opinion. Just not when it's stupid. Or when you try to force children to believe it.
-On a side note: I really only have about 3 hours of classes and in between them I do enjoy flashy lights.
I am actually a biology major, so I do know the biological perspective. Unfortunately it not all that simple.
Actually let change the fight to empiricism vs. faith. Much better to fight over in my opinion. If you don't know what empiricism is, then go look it up.
Originally posted by Drachonis Originally posted by Bissrok Originally posted by Drachonis Comon people, why fight over how we got here when to understand such a thing is probally beyond the scope of learing and experince that all us freaking gamers get. If we really knew what life was about, do you think we would be punching buttons mindlessly to get flashy lights and bonus xp?
Maybe this is the problem. Is anyone else majoring in biology?
I can respect someone else's opinion. Just not when it's stupid. Or when you try to force children to believe it.
-On a side note: I really only have about 3 hours of classes and in between them I do enjoy flashy lights.
I am actually a biology major, so I do know the biological perspective. Unfortunately it not all that simple.
Yeah, the whole thing's kinda complicated. Plus, I don't remember any of it since I haven't really done anything on evolution since about 8th grade. But, from a genetics perspective, every living thing uses the same genetic code. And for everything to use the same exact code, you could assume that we probably came from the same thing. It had a protein synthesis system that allowed for easy replication, which helped it survive. That doesn't disprove the whole 'invisible guy in the sky' theory, he might have liked genetics but just not had time to think of any variations... but hey, one's good enough. and his 'master plan' in his 'infinite wisdom' might have been to make a small blob of nothing and sit back and watch it evolve over a very long time until finally out popped mankind. We were all confused about what just happend at first. As my Myth and Legends teacher put it, "the Greeks were polytheistic. Of course now we know that there is only one god." Which would mean that around this time, this is what God's been waiting for, for so long. Finally, people who can understand His greatness. Products of random mutation? No, this would have to be the product of some higher being.
Of course, that only applies to the religious view of ID. If you're going with the aliens, they were probably just bored. And they, too, were made by aliens.
You are all right and you are all wrong. There, it's settled. This will never never never be resolved because time travel is impossible and even if it was people would argue over the resutls of what was found. So just drop the whole bloody useless thing and go frag someone. Sheesh.
Originally posted by LordDarkmist who created god? I'd say there's an infinite cycle going on or an intertwined universe where everything is connected and everything created everything...THE POWER OF 1
Who says anyone had to create God? That's saying that God is limited by linear time and therefore would be ruled by time. If that were the case then time would be God.
I think that the whole "God" concept is something beyond our minds to understand. But, of course we are an arrogant group so we keep trying to figure it out despite the fact that it's impossible for us and our minds (even collectively) to understand.
We can only observe and manipulate what's around us. That's where science comes in. And that's what we need to be teaching kids in school. Leave the religious stuff to the religious teachers and the science to the science teachers.
If anyone disagrees there is always the option of religious schools and universities. Leave the public schools teaching observable facts alone.
Seperation of church and state my ass. What a load of crap. Score one for Fascism
"Intelligent Design" is not a religion, it's a belief. Separation of church and state doesn't apply. Same goes for "One nation under God." God is not a religion. Again, separation of church and state doesn't apply.
I'm not saying intelligent design should or should not be taught in school I'm just saying, apply some rational thought when you read the constitution you crazy liberal. Just kidding.
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The fact that 1 + 1 = 2... it isn't a fact at all.... Its a belief called Induction.... But no one has a problem teaching it to school kids...
There is no way to prove one plus one (well no way that we have found as yet) and there is no way to disprove it... We have just accepted it as fact... and we teach it to children as FACT when in reality that is not the case...
if you want to try.... www.claymath.org is offering 7 million dollars if you can prove that 1 + 1 = 2...
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This is a very contiversial issue, but I must say stop with the immune thing as a proof of evolution. If I get a plastic bullet bb gun and shoot my foot normally, im going to get use to it. If I drink beer Im going to become more tolerant to it. As I have posted in a last post that was just like this is...
I really think this is all philosophy and theorys, because 50 years from now people will be laughing at us and these theorys will be better researche or a new thought will be written.
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Hmmmm well in that post you wrote a lot... but you said nothing... Have you even seen my handle? it's Methane... it's a chemical if you didn't know.. Apparently you are the one who has not gone to school....
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So here's an experiment ... take a cup of liquid methand into your back yard and flow electricity through it... to turn it into protein... and then wait for it to grow... you might get a new little brother.
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http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA02/primordial_soup.html
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Oh, METHANE... I think you're right. That is a chemical, isn't it? God, and to think I'm getting a chemistry minor... As for the experiment, haven't tried it, but I'm pretty sure it works. If not, we'll have to through that crazy evolution theory out the window. But you did make one good point, I do have this nasty habit of accepting odd theories.... like gravity and that whole "earth goin' round the sun" thing.
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[quote] Originally posted by johnyspiper
[b]This is a very contiversial issue, but I must say stop with the immune thing as a proof of evolution. [/quote]
WHY? because its a utterly valid example of evolution?
false analogy. Immunity has to do with replication and mutation. Your bb gun example has to do with you getting use to pain. and your beer example has to do with alcohol tolerance. not even the same ballpark
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Oh REALLY?!?! a minor in chemistry well then lets get to the chemical problems with evolution...
Ok Primordial soup was supposedly Methane right?
problem.... Methane was not abundant in liquid form around the supposed beginnings of the world
lets just assume methane was available...
So methane struck with lightning produces ammino acids....
problem: methane is not dense enough for the massive congregation of amino accides needed for proteins...
ok protein is made from 20 ammino acids... with 100 variations
problem: the chance of stable protien being made is very very slim.... probability approaches zero for that one
ok how many ammino acids can be produced in conditions similar to the time of the beginning of the earth...
problem...17 of them... still need another 3 for a protein
how many ammino acids are not producable within reasonable conditions... 3 of them we know ... 3 others we dont know...
If we had 50 billion years... with 100 million tries at evolving a protien per year... the chance that a life could be made.. would be somewhere along the lines of 1 in 27 trillion...
But... as the little giants say... "there is always that one time..."
here's a couple quotes for you:
C.S. Lewis If the existence of life is an accident, then the evolution of man was also an accident, and everything that we have achieved are accidents, and our thoughts are accidental byproducts of the movement of atoms. Meaning why should we believe these accidental accounts of accidents?
Albert Einstein Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
"If it could ever be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." - Charles Darwin
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couple things i wanted to add to this thread:
first - a person said, that there is no point in looking back, only the future(in previous post).... but if we know what exactly happened to make us the way we are, wont we also know the exact way to enhance ourselves?.... kind of like Reverse Engeneering. you take a modern computer back, 50 years lets say, and tools to let them reverse engeneer it, wont that mean that they will be50 years ahead of us in computer technology.... this is a far fetched sort of example, but i think most *intelligent* people will see what im trying to say....
second - basically this is what Evolutionists say: Lighting Striked a pool of what ever, and a little cell sprung up, which evolved etc etc....
ID says: a *god/higher being* made a cell and it evolved.....
Stricktly from a scientific point of view, i think Evolutionist theory sounds "better" ..... we are after all talking about a SCIENCE class here.
Third - Lighting Striking a pool of what ever blah blah... First of, Mister Methan-KnowItAll (dont mean to falme you btw, sorry if it reads that way), your ideas about how many proteins etc etc can not be based on any fact. YOU dont know the condition of the atmosphere, you dont know the temperatures involved, you do not know any of the other chemicals that were in the air that could've acted as a Catalyst for the above mentioned Chemical Reaction, all of those things are important.....And until you get a time traveling machine or some way to prove beyound anyreaasonable doubt/100% the conditions that were at the time of this exact supposed riaction u will NEVER be able to truly say Evolution is not 'real'...
Fourth - I REALLLLLLY hope you werent actually trying to prove something by that 'back yard, ligting comment' you know as well as anyone else with half a brain, that, that experiment can not be possiably be "reliable"
Fith - I dont personally agree with the ID - Idea, strickly because they are trying to prove something that can not be scientifically proven to a science class. The main problem im sure is not just the fact that ID is 'mentioned' in a science class, its the fact that ones it is allowed, then it allows other similar statments/theoried to be adminted into a science class... which in the end COULD open the doors for creationism theories to be admited, without scientifical facts behind it into a science classroom.
Sixth - i was going to mention a couple of other things braught up in the previous posts *yes i did read all of them before making this reply* but i forget them now that i started typing, but i will edit them in, as i remember.
EDIT #1: Just wanted to appalogise in advanced if this sounds a bit like a personal attack/flame, im just trying to be objective *dont know if thats the right word to use*...oh and also for my spelling...
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I have a test for Intelligent Design...
Fact: The only discernable difference between ID and non-ID theories is the Intelligent part.
Fact: A designer intelligent enough to design a human (or anything else intelligent in some way) would undoubtedly be able to communicate in a meaningful way with said human (or other species).
Test 1: Wait for appearance of said Intelligent Designer and ask him/her/them/it about said design.
Test 2: If Intelligent Designer does not appear...wait longer.
Conclusion: Until some type of intelligent designer of earth and the life on it appears (or doesn't appear) this whole debate is pointless. Therefore, forget it, and go about living your life.
Scientists aren't avoiding the explanation for the big bang. They're diving headlong into explaining it. What they're avoiding like the plague is arguing with a bunch of fundamentalists when they could be doing more important things. This gets misinterpreted by the fundamentalists as the scientists don't want to debate with them because they're afraid. I wouldn't debate something with someone either who's coming from a biased premise. It's futile.
Check this out... It's very cool. And don't go to theologians for science. That's like taking your kid to a brick layer when they're sick.
Michio Kaku is da man!!!!
http://www.mkaku.org/articles/hyper_sci_odyssey.shtml
----- The 10 dimensional superstring theory, for example, gives us a compelling explanation of the origin of the Big Bang, the cosmic explosion which took place 15 to 20 billion years ago, which sent the stars and galaxies hurling in all directions. ------
except one is based on evidence (evolution), one is based on nothing but a book wrote by ancient goat herders (ID, euphamism for Creationism)
ooops.
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Don't you know? You're not suposed to TEST ID, you're just susposed to have faith in it.
LOL
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Scientists aren't avoiding the explanation for the big bang. They're diving headlong into explaining it. What they're avoiding like the plague is arguing with a bunch of fundamentalists when they could be doing more important things. This gets misinterpreted by the fundamentalists as the scientists don't want to debate with them because they're afraid. I wouldn't debate something with someone either who's coming from a biased premise. It's futile.
Check this out... It's very cool. And don't go to theologians for science. That's like taking your kid to a brick layer when they're sick.
Michio Kaku is da man!!!!
http://www.mkaku.org/articles/hyper_sci_odyssey.shtml
----- The 10 dimensional superstring theory, for example, gives us a compelling explanation of the origin of the Big Bang, the cosmic explosion which took place 15 to 20 billion years ago, which sent the stars and galaxies hurling in all directions. ------
Hah. Exactly. Scientist don't argue with fundamentalist, because fundamentalist have no knowledge of science. Therefore, its futile.
I thought Intelligent Design was what we went to war in Iraq for.
Oooooh, wait that was Designed Intelligence. My bad.
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Customer: Oh...and the end game sux...I mean I've only been playing for 35 years and some of my stat points are already degenerating. Plus, I know people who've been playing for 80 years and then just suddenly died...they weren't even in a battle. And not only that...they don't even seem to be able to get onto the server to start another character...it's like you ritually ban long-term users for no good reason.
CS: Yes...well that problem is being looked into. The trouble is that the original developer has moved on to other projects since the release of the game, and we here in customer service really don't know much about the design side of things.
Customer: Man, what sort of hick operation are you running there! Maybe you can do something about another problem I have...the server appears to be getting overcrowded too. Even with all of the longer term players disappearing and the large number of PvP deaths it's still growing too fast. You definitely need to open another server.
CS: Well, we'll look into it...but we can't promise anything...our planetary server architecture would need a massive upgrade before we could do that.
Customer: Oh and while I'm on the topic, the death penalty seems outrageously steep! If I die...I mean even if by accident...there's no second chance, I lose all my stuff (damn PvP looters) AND...the worst thing...my account gets deactivated...I can't even start another game!
CS: Hmmm...yes...well that design is intentional...in our early beta versions people were reaching max level after about 80 years and were complaining that there was nothing to do beyond that point. Hence...our only solution...is as it stands now.
Customer: OK...well I can't say this has been very helpful.
CS: Is there anything you would say is a good point in our game sir? (just for our records)
Customer: Well...I suppose there is one good thing...it is Free2Play...but then...you get what you pay for.
Maybe this is the problem. Is anyone else majoring in biology?
I can respect someone else's opinion. Just not when it's stupid. Or when you try to force children to believe it.
-On a side note: I really only have about 3 hours of classes and in between them I do enjoy flashy lights.
I am actually a biology major, so I do know the biological perspective. Unfortunately it not all that simple.
Actually let change the fight to empiricism vs. faith. Much better to fight over in my opinion. If you don't know what empiricism is, then go look it up.
Oh my.
hadz, that was funny.
You ever thought of writing books? Seriously.
Maybe this is the problem. Is anyone else majoring in biology?
I can respect someone else's opinion. Just not when it's stupid. Or when you try to force children to believe it.
-On a side note: I really only have about 3 hours of classes and in between them I do enjoy flashy lights.
I am actually a biology major, so I do know the biological perspective. Unfortunately it not all that simple.
Yeah, the whole thing's kinda complicated. Plus, I don't remember any of it since I haven't really done anything on evolution since about 8th grade. But, from a genetics perspective, every living thing uses the same genetic code. And for everything to use the same exact code, you could assume that we probably came from the same thing. It had a protein synthesis system that allowed for easy replication, which helped it survive. That doesn't disprove the whole 'invisible guy in the sky' theory, he might have liked genetics but just not had time to think of any variations... but hey, one's good enough. and his 'master plan' in his 'infinite wisdom' might have been to make a small blob of nothing and sit back and watch it evolve over a very long time until finally out popped mankind. We were all confused about what just happend at first. As my Myth and Legends teacher put it, "the Greeks were polytheistic. Of course now we know that there is only one god." Which would mean that around this time, this is what God's been waiting for, for so long. Finally, people who can understand His greatness. Products of random mutation? No, this would have to be the product of some higher being.
Of course, that only applies to the religious view of ID. If you're going with the aliens, they were probably just bored. And they, too, were made by aliens.
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how do you even teach Intel. Design? God created everything,
The End.
that seems a little simplistic.
You are all right and you are all wrong. There, it's settled. This will never never never be resolved because time travel is impossible and even if it was people would argue over the resutls of what was found. So just drop the whole bloody useless thing and go frag someone. Sheesh.
who created god?
I'd say there's an infinite cycle going on or an intertwined universe where everything is connected and everything created everything...THE POWER OF 1
I think that the whole "God" concept is something beyond our minds to understand. But, of course we are an arrogant group so we keep trying to figure it out despite the fact that it's impossible for us and our minds (even collectively) to understand.
We can only observe and manipulate what's around us. That's where science comes in. And that's what we need to be teaching kids in school. Leave the religious stuff to the religious teachers and the science to the science teachers.
If anyone disagrees there is always the option of religious schools and universities. Leave the public schools teaching observable facts alone.
"Intelligent Design" is not a religion, it's a belief. Separation of church and state doesn't apply. Same goes for "One nation under God." God is not a religion. Again, separation of church and state doesn't apply.
I'm not saying intelligent design should or should not be taught in school I'm just saying, apply some rational thought when you read the constitution you crazy liberal.
Just kidding.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
The fact that 1 + 1 = 2... it isn't a fact at all.... Its a belief called Induction.... But no one has a problem teaching it to school kids...
There is no way to prove one plus one (well no way that we have found as yet) and there is no way to disprove it... We have just accepted it as fact... and we teach it to children as FACT when in reality that is not the case...
if you want to try.... www.claymath.org is offering 7 million dollars if you can prove that 1 + 1 = 2...
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