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You can convince yourself into believing whatever the heck you want to, I however, will continue to use common sense and logic as I have always done.
edit - there are no universal truths.
If anyone genuinely thinks this is the case, please forward the necessary information to access your life savings to me; you can tell me afterward whether the wisdom you've gained in return was worth what you paid
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This just in! People would rather not pay for something than pay for it! News at 11!
What suffers in F2P isn't the revenue, but the community. In most F2P games the community is completely garbage. I guess that's what you get when the entitlement crowd show up and start demanding more shit that they don't want to pay for.
Not everyone plays games for community.
And if the "demanding" is successful, more power to them.
IMO the community is the same in p2p games. If p2p was the barrier that people stated that guarantees a good community than WoW would have a good community, it doesn't therefore the payment model has little if anything to do with community.
The only thing it might do is create a bigger community and bigger communities tend to be more crappy.
IMO the community is the same in p2p games. If p2p was the barrier that people stated that guarantees a good community than WoW would have a good community, it doesn't therefore the payment model has little if anything to do with community.
The only thing it might do is create a bigger community and bigger communities tend to be more crappy.
I garantee the moment they implement something like RealID, the comunity will improve drastically.
Or darwinism becomes more prevalent as more interviewers enjoy "delightful" reads on forums XD
F2P is a misnomer anyhow. I haven't come across a single "F2P" game yet, that wasn't really just "Twist your arm until you pay". It's all wolves in sheeps clothing.
They get you in the door with "Hey, man, it's free, sure you don't want to try it? Come on, get in the van, you'll love it".
Then you get in the van and they're like, "Oh yeah, we forgot to tell you, only the first five minutes is free, if you want anything else, you'll have to pay"
Hmm, so there's 6 F2P'ers per 1 P2P'er?
I dunno, I would have aimed for the P2P'er if I made games, considering the "word on the street" is that only 1 out of 10 F2P'er pay anything in their game....
Um no. I did not state nor imply that in any way. I did not state or imply what anything should or should not be. Your response is very weird and largely unrelated to what I wrote
I meant exactly what I wrote, most mmo's do not provide me with more enjoyment than is available in f2p, therefore they are not worth my sub. You can do whatever you want with your money.
I'm not demanding anything or anyone change. I am deciding what I enjoy and what I will spend my money on. Today the decision is between two games, one is p2p, the other is f2p, both provide me with equal enjoyment.
Which game you are talking about?
I have played DDO, STO, and PS2. None limit the time you play, and i am having fun without spending a dime. What are you talking about?
I am not talking to solely to you, sorry for quote .. But as you might see, A LOT of players wants games to be or to become F2P because ''they'' dont enjoy it.
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
I would think for any FTP game to be profitable it will use the Boiling the Lobster technique.
Asking for too much money too early would be very 'bad'.
Werewolf Online(R) - Lead Developer
Just saving this for posterity, he single-handedly made the position of P2Pers untenable in this thread.
Not surprising. I would bet all those who love f2p are also the 47% that mooch off of everyone else in america.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
Which game you are talking about?
I have played DDO, STO, and PS2. None limit the time you play, and i am having fun without spending a dime. What are you talking about?
Some people just like spout baseless nonsense, like a certain popular "news" channel I dont watch.
If you equate people to Fox News to get cool factor you're just gonna look like a pretty lame hipster especially considering he's right, you can play those 3 games (though DDO you'll be struggling quite a bit) completely free and not be a "leecher stealing money from the devs!" (in DDO you are another person interacting with people, making them feel the game is alive, being a friend or nemesis to them, etc, in STO you provide dilithium in exchange for C-store points, fueling the demand for c-store points and getting people with disposable income and the need for dilithium to buy it and in PS2... christ without free players running around providing extra bodies for advances that game would be Battlefield's special cousin).
Which game you are talking about?
I have played DDO, STO, and PS2. None limit the time you play, and i am having fun without spending a dime. What are you talking about?
Some people just like spout baseless nonsense, like a certain popular "news" channel I dont watch.
I don't know why you respond to his posts. He admitted he doesn't pay a dime towards the development of the games he plays, which means he's not even WORTH responding to. If you pay for any of your games and you're responding to this welfare warrior, then you're wasting money on a freeloading dirtbag.
I dunno, maybe because I think people who spread lies are worse than the freeloaders.
So, let me get this right. First you claim that F2P is all a trap and it's not actually free. A poster appears claiming he's played 3 MMOs entirely for free, and your reaction now is that he's an evil welfare warrior? Seriously?
Show me where I lied. I said that F2P games withhold parts of the game from you unless you play. Name one F2P game that doesn't withhold something such as XP, PVP, Instanced content, or anything unless you pay.
Where's the lie in that? They all do it. It's a "twist your arm until you pay" scheme. I'd rather just pay up front and play the game than have them dangling carrots in my face all day every day about what I can't have or do until I shell out more and more bucks.
Which game you are talking about?
I have played DDO, STO, and PS2. None limit the time you play, and i am having fun without spending a dime. What are you talking about?
Some people just like spout baseless nonsense, like a certain popular "news" channel I dont watch.
I don't know why you respond to his posts. He admitted he doesn't pay a dime towards the development of the games he plays, which means he's not even WORTH responding to. If you pay for any of your games and you're responding to this welfare warrior, then you're wasting money on a freeloading dirtbag.
I dunno, maybe because I think people who spread lies are worse than the freeloaders.
Show me where I lied. I said that F2P games withhold parts of the game from you unless you play. Name one F2P game that doesn't withhold something such as XP, PVP, Instanced content, or anything unless you pay.
Where's the lie in that? They all do it. It's a "twist your arm until you pay" scheme. I'd rather just pay up front and play the game than have them dangling carrots in my face all day every day about what I can't have or do until I shell out more and more bucks.
Runes of Magic
Considering you judge people by their spending habits? Considering others have already shown extreme bias, painting people in broad strokes, intolerance worthy of XBox Live and many many other things which quite frankly make what little faith in humanity I still have wane, yes. I am.
There's nothing wrong with that. F2P players that pay nothing are part of the F2P business model (i.e one of the reason that makes it successful). By being present they populate the game, interact with others to create parties and participate in various events, participate in the economy, etc. Would F2P players who pay keep paying if they were not able to find players to play with? or if the game was empty? Chances are the answer is 'no'.
There's nothing wrong with what he said. It's just your ignornace that shows here.
f2p games like those actually need people like him to help support them. His type of play involves grinding in game money to buy cash shop items from other players. If there were no ppl like him doing it, players who would rather spend real money than real time would have no one to sell to and the system wouldn't work.
It works because it's a balance of people with time and people with money. Some ppl get more satisfaction from working for their items others just want to make the easy gold with cash. nether is mooching off the other, they both have to do their part to make it work.