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Without those "Schmucks" paying, you wouldn't have a game to play, it would shut down in short order. You had better hope the industry doesn't become over-run with freeloaders like you as it will force them all to move back towards subscriptions or B2P.
I'm dying to see what (if anything) PWE/Cryptic are going to do about this situation.
Trying to trace and separate all the transactions that are involved in this mess will be an absolutely epic exercise. And most importantly, it will be time-consuming and expensive.
An F2P game built around a Cash Shop cannot just be "rolled back". Thousands of small transactions will have to be refunded, with each refund costing PWE a small amount in fees. And then there's the very strong possibility that the people that spent that refunded money may be reluctant to spend it again.
If they do wipe or rollback (I believe a wipe is out of the question) it will cause even MORE bad publicity for the game. Game forums all over the internet will be slating PWE and Cryptic (much more than they already have
The mantra has been "there will be no more wipes" ever since "open beta" started. They had to do that to make sure people started spending freely. If they change that now, it will have a huge impact on the Cash Shop spending.
This has been the worst game ever for exploits and they are slow as hell to fix them. I believe most of these lasted almost a week before getting fixed and some are still active. Here are the ones I have heard about.
1. Guardian Fighters 1-3 Shotting bosses.
2. The Epic Gateway -AD bids to win items and get AD.
3. Repeating quests by sharing them over and over between characters, this farmed many different things but mostly the Profession Packs you get around level 28 or so.
4. Many, many easy ways to gain xp, like doing repeatable quests that were super short or doing Foundry quests aimed at high xp gain per minute. I think i heard of stories of 1-60 in 3 hours or less.
5. Skipping bosses in instances by dying a few times or finding shortcuts via glitchy textures.
6. Pulling bosses into other rooms to get 0 adds, or very few.
7. Getting into boss rooms w/o activating portals and pulling them out or glitching them all together.
8. Respawning bosses non-stop. I think this only happened in the Pirate Ship if you didn't kill his initial adds.
Finally I feel the double blue circle shit from Clerics is broken and should have been fixed a long time ago. Trivializes a lot of the game because it reduces damage taken by so much (they stack).
I probably missed some lol, this has been insane and I have no desire to play --- but I will wait to see what they do. Anyone who exploited should be banned and their ADs should be tracked and banned the ones they traded too.
Deleting threads baning ppl ??? wtf are you talking about they just need to fix exploit .... whats wrong with you ppl !!!!
I've been playing MMOs since 1999 and I can tell you as fact that the sheer number of asshattery and cheating and spammers has exploded exponentially with the loss of subscriptions. Only those who could afford the loss, were willing to make more accounts after being banned in a subscription game. The thing about games like EQ is that they did not enforce rules as much as modern games. They lacked the tools that are built into today's MMO. That is why we still had enough gold sellers and whatnot hanging around as it was much harder back then to trace transactions and verify bad behavior without a ton of research.
Now we have the exact opposite, games are happy to ban and have built in tools to make it easy and quick to track and verify, but since accounts are not traced by IP and or clients are using dynamic IP's, it makes it impossible for the ban to actually work and with no subscription to add a barrier to entry, it's going to remain a rampant and serious problem.
I've got to ask , has their ever been a simpler and more blatant exploit to slip through months of testing then simply putting a negative value in an auction house ?
Screams zero Q/A.
I... I could read that. Fortunately I don't think I ever typed like that.
<childish, provocative and highly speculative banner about your favorite game goes here>
With the previous exploits that have gone unpunished, and now this blatantly obvious and public exploit my faith in this game has plummeted. Combined with the numerous bugs, and design decisions(must wait to teleport to instance of party members, must disband from current group after PvP or dungeons, strange double ingame currency) I just don't think I can continue.
I have zero faith this game is not choke full of Chinese farming exploiters along with the target base of normal players that are cheating. PWE and Cryptic are basically giving their OK to cheat by sitting on their chops. Pathetic.
Yup, it's F2P, so a great many of the "players" don't give a damn.
Seems the devs have caught that spirit too...
The true irony here is that if they'd actually had a REAL open beta with all Cash Shop purchases refunded at the pre-launch character wipe, then the effect of all these dupes, exploits and scams would have been... ZERO.
But the fact that they've been taking real money and promising "no more wipes" has made things hugely complicated.
They won't wipe.
If they do, they'll get hit with a massive amount of legitimate cc chargebacks from unhappy players. They clearly stated "no more wipes", so if they break that promise a chargeback is totally legit.
I think this might be a case where people spreading the details of an exploit could be a good thing. When a high percentage know about the exploit, it puts pressure on the devs to do a better job.
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
NO, what they should of done was had an actual beta instead of releasing early and calling it an open beta. You dont run a cash shop in beta and you sure as shit dont ban people for finding bug during a beta.
I still fail to understand why anyone would give a company money for ingame prodcucts that was still in open beta, but I suppose gamers as a group never learn. Ive been avoiding the AH while in open beta and havent used Zen at all yet. As the saying goes....a fool and his money.
I expect we will start seeing people whining about getting banned for exploiting soon. "But I didnt do anything, etc....". Just wait.
As a dev, I think game devs want to hide problems. This leads to thinking they have plenty of time to deal with it. Having it out there puts pressure to deal with it now in the short term. It might lead to the team using higher standards of development and CMM. Putting out fires sucks, planning to prevent them is smarter.
If I were doing a closed beta for a game, I would have bug database readable by the testers. Exposing the issues helps where hiding. There are other benefits, but that is for another thread.
Think about duping back in the early days of mmorpgs. How can this still be happening?
Epic Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAigCvelkhQ&list=PLo9FRw1AkDuQLEz7Gvvaz3ideB2NpFtT1
https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos?&sort=-downloads&page=1
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
+1
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
Awww, you guys...
It's quite simple really:
the GAME is in Open Beta
the CASH SHOP has been Launched
So if anyone messes with the ingame currency by duping it, they can be banned because the economy has already been launched...
See ?
Easy
It's not a beta. In case you couldn't read that. THIS IS NOT A BETA! They are using creative terminology to draw players to the game. If it's a f2p game that launches thats cool. But if idiots who wanna be cool and play a "beta" have a chance to claim they beta tested Neverwinter Online, they will be more excited to play the game, which is entirely in a launch state. Not only that, but it is also a fail safe b***h out excuse if things go wrong...as made evident by this right now. This "Open Beta" is entirely a marketing ploy.
Please if you think this is beta, describe one way in which this differs from any full released f2p game. Because as many stated, you would NEVER ban a player for discovering a exploit in a true beta (whether open or closed), and you also would not charge players for ZEN in a true beta. In betas they grant you ZEN to test the cash shop features/economy.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
Oh really? 50% of the people will leave?
Perhaps, just maybe, you mean that you feel a wipe will cause a lot of the people who paid for the game to charge back / quit playing. That would make sense. However, random numbers are random, and using them so arbitrarily makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.
I've done the beta's for several Perfect World games.
Never had them give me Zen to try to test anything out.
They would ban people in BETA for exploits and for publicizing them, which is what they are being banned for, not for just cheating, but for telling everyone about it and causing more cheating.
They said the game isn't going to be wiped anymore, that makes it release in my book.
Well....
I've previously posted that this game desperately needs a wipe. But now I've changed my mind.....
For a sheer comedy of errors this is excellent entertainment.
Best way to play the game:- create character, go to Protectors Enclave, buy popcorn, find a nice seat, sit back and enjoy the utter chaos.
That's the beauty of F2P for the developers, some of the people that want to play for free don't think they are missing anything.
Others that play for free know they are missing parts of the game or taking 10x times longer to do things and just accept it.
Then there is another group of people that will spend what they used to spend on a box / sub game and get more of the game in a reasonable amount of time but not all the game in a reasonable amount of time.
Then there is another group of people that will overspend on items to acquire the complete game quicker but spend far far far more than a traditional box / sub would ever cost someone.
So the first group is just ignorant.
The second group is just cheap or has way way way more time than money
The third group is getting hosed compared to a traditional box sub
And the last group is just getting completely bent over but either doesn't care, or has some sort of gambling spending disorder that will eventually catch up with them.
NO, what they should of done was had an actual beta instead of releasing early and calling it an open beta. You dont run a cash shop in beta and you sure as shit dont ban people for finding bug during a beta.
that's a very critical point of discussion imo. it's a beta. a bug was found. why the bans ? game's being beta-tested exactly to find bugs.
It's not a beta. In case you couldn't read that. THIS IS NOT A BETA! They are using creative terminology to draw players to the game. If it's a f2p game that launches thats cool. But if idiots who wanna be cool and play a "beta" have a chance to claim they beta tested Neverwinter Online, they will be more excited to play the game, which is entirely in a launch state. Not only that, but it is also a fail safe b***h out excuse if things go wrong...as made evident by this right now. This "Open Beta" is entirely a marketing ploy.
Please if you think this is beta, describe one way in which this differs from any full released f2p game. Because as many stated, you would NEVER ban a player for discovering a exploit in a true beta (whether open or closed), and you also would not charge players for ZEN in a true beta. In betas they grant you ZEN to test the cash shop features/economy.
Exactly. My post stands, they should of banned them immediately instead of waiting. The game is a launch with beta used as a marketing ploy. If they take your money then the economy can't be messed with intentionally by exploiters. Allowing them to hide behind the beta idea would mean your money spent means nothing, so what would the point be for them taking your money if an exploiter can do the same but free of charge. People need to realize that.
I'm not here to be a informative voice, just a reminder. Because though some of you realize this. Most people in-game don't...listen to enclave chat.
In the end tho, PWE have themselves in quite a pickle. Rollback and you lose a lot of people, most likely myself. Don't rollback and you lose all the people who have an emphasis on economies. Personally I don't want a rollback because I enjoy playing through the game and not playing the economy. I don't want to lose the progress I made (tho i could use a rebuild) and I am incredibly afraid of my foundry being wiped (don't know if that would happen or not in a wipe/rollback. I hate this ZEN/AD/Gold currency system. But I also understand people love to explore economies in MMOs just as I enjoy exploring caverns and castles, both valuable parts of MMOs.
I feel sorry for PWE, there is no fix to this that won't piss off a solid chunk of the player base.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
I hoped for the same thing too for many many years. Then I remembered the story that even Eve (not the game) cheated and got her hubby to cheat as well...
That's when I got really cynical and realized the whole species is just plain borked and fubar. No sense in hoping for trustworthiness and decency from People with screwed up genetics. Even though many People say the story itself is a fabrication, the evidence in the real world confirms the story's basic premise everyday.
What's happening in NeverWinter is perfectly predictable and of of course Perfect World wasn't ready for it.
Even though I am an old Ad&D fan from many years ago, I am now very happy that I made the decision to NOT Play Neverwinter Online. I was tempted, oh yes....