Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
What about all the player's starting later?They don't care about people that have played for a year and have million's of ad.No,they care about the fact that they can't afford the prices on the gear in the ah because it's controlled by..?
I can easily see this having a long term effect on the economy.Also,don't you think the publicity of this and no wipe is going to have a negative result on possible new player's?Quite frankly it make's PWE/Cryptic look like a joke,like they have no care for what is going on inside their own game.
See that's the thing. My wife still plays WoW (bless her little heart) and she loves playing the AH game. Sometimes she tells me about the ridiculous prices players pay for low level crap. Copper ore for hundreds of gold and stupid crap like that. It's like that on the server she transferred to because many players transferred to that server with bank accounts intact. So what naturally happened was high level players did not want to waste time farming low level mats. And who are the only ones farming low level mats? You guessed it low level players.
So my wife works the system of creating low level players and collecting shit just to sell to high level players because they're too damn lazy to do it themselves. That leaves low level players at an advantage of obtaining shit from NPC vendors more quickly than they could ever hope for and when they get to the stage of actually using the AH they can afford everything their because they were exposed early on to a jacked up system of cost vs. demand. Trust me it will all work out.
From what I've seen,the WoW economy and this game's economy are many miles apart.You can't even create bag's in this game to make some $$,I sure haven't seen any player created.Making $$ in the ah is harder than WoW because the game is really dominated by drop's and player created doesn't look to generate much.At least not compared to WoW.
I said nothing about creating anything. My wife farms mats....mats....in NWO these are called runes and enchants. Which lower level players get by the shit load. And high level players will need by the shit load. Also mats are gathered by the crafting system and because the system is so random with boxes from it a new player could really hit a jackpot by lucking out on a rare item.
And on that part in red. If that was truly the case then what use would low level players have for max level stuff? Players will tell them how useless it would be to get rank 6-7 enchants/runes for low level gear and by the time they get up to that level the drops would be coming in droves...
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
Have you heard of something called inflation? It's this very bad thing that ruins MMO economies over time as currency is constantly introduced causing prices for goods rise exponentially and newer players are unable to afford anything. MMOs are generally all built with currency sinks as a means of reducing or preventing inflation.
This exploit just introduced several billion AD to the economy (if not more) and has caused hyper-inflation on a scale I have never seen in an MMO before. If you did not dupe AD or benefit from the duped AD you can no longer afford anything on the AH... There were things listed in the tens of millions before the servers went down. See the problem?
There are a lot of people posting here who seem to think that a lot of players suddenly getting insanely rich won't affect them. Well they're incredibly naive. When a huge number of people are rich the prices will rise to take advantage of that. If you're not rich like them then good luck finding enough AD to buy anything...
Now bear in mind that this has been going on for weeks (since the servers went live actually) and in the last 24-48 hrs saw a lot of innocent players end up with the duped AD through trades. This means that they cannot remove those duped AD without affecting innocent players. It's simply NOT POSSIBLE at this stage. The only solution if they want to revert this hyper-inflation is a complete rollback of the servers. If they choose anything less than that then the economy will remain broken as too many people who didn't directly dupe anything will still possess crazy amounts of AD.
The suggestions of a wipe are the result of how far back this goes. The exploit only became public knowledge in the last 24hrs but we know it has been going on since launch. Add to that the numerous other exploits that have also caused damage to the economy in the past two weeks and you have a situation where it may genuinely be easier just to start over. Yes people will quit if they wipe, but many are quitting if they don't wipe...
tl;dr - Several billion AD have caused hyperinflation and much of it is now in the hands of innocent players. If you think it won't affect you then you have no understanding of economics and are incredibly naive. A complete server rollback is the ONLY option, though a wipe would be highly advised given that this has been going on since launch.
I already explained that players with billions of AD will not have it for long (if that's even the case). And inflated systems still work for the advantage of new players because VENDOR PRICES DO NOT CHANGE. I played FFXI with the Japanese and their high prices and did just fine. My wife players on a WoW server with fat cats paying outrageous prices for low level mats. It all works out. Now if the NPC prices increased along with players bank accounts you'd have a leg to stand on. But this ain't real life so real life economy lessons take a backseat to fantasy economies.
and I referenced EQ2's launch you really should go look it up. The parallels are striking from duping economy inflation to selling assets to gold sites. WoW's economy even server xfers was never inflated to this degree. EQ2 only got inflated by 20ish% and it took over 2 years to stabilize while they bled players.
Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
Look up what happened to FFXI.
Edit: Apparently you played FFXI, but have no idea how it hurt the economy. Trying to explain anything to you will be beyond pointless.
Originally posted by Xepo They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe.
And if their current stance was that there is going to be a wipe, you'd see posts on this very site saying just the opposite, that hundreds, if not thousands, are saying they are going to leave the game forever if they wipe all their data completely.
Bottom line, players are going to bitch, and they loveit when developers royally screw something up because then they have something to bitch about.
Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
Have you heard of something called inflation? It's this very bad thing that ruins MMO economies over time as currency is constantly introduced causing prices for goods rise exponentially and newer players are unable to afford anything. MMOs are generally all built with currency sinks as a means of reducing or preventing inflation.
This exploit just introduced several billion AD to the economy (if not more) and has caused hyper-inflation on a scale I have never seen in an MMO before. If you did not dupe AD or benefit from the duped AD you can no longer afford anything on the AH... There were things listed in the tens of millions before the servers went down. See the problem?
There are a lot of people posting here who seem to think that a lot of players suddenly getting insanely rich won't affect them. Well they're incredibly naive. When a huge number of people are rich the prices will rise to take advantage of that. If you're not rich like them then good luck finding enough AD to buy anything...
Now bear in mind that this has been going on for weeks (since the servers went live actually) and in the last 24-48 hrs saw a lot of innocent players end up with the duped AD through trades. This means that they cannot remove those duped AD without affecting innocent players. It's simply NOT POSSIBLE at this stage. The only solution if they want to revert this hyper-inflation is a complete rollback of the servers. If they choose anything less than that then the economy will remain broken as too many people who didn't directly dupe anything will still possess crazy amounts of AD.
The suggestions of a wipe are the result of how far back this goes. The exploit only became public knowledge in the last 24hrs but we know it has been going on since launch. Add to that the numerous other exploits that have also caused damage to the economy in the past two weeks and you have a situation where it may genuinely be easier just to start over. Yes people will quit if they wipe, but many are quitting if they don't wipe...
tl;dr - Several billion AD have caused hyperinflation and much of it is now in the hands of innocent players. If you think it won't affect you then you have no understanding of economics and are incredibly naive. A complete server rollback is the ONLY option, though a wipe would be highly advised given that this has been going on since launch.
I already explained that players with billions of AD will not have it for long (if that's even the case). And inflated systems still work for the advantage of new players because VENDOR PRICES DO NOT CHANGE. I played FFXI with the Japanese and their high prices and did just fine. My wife players on a WoW server with fat cats paying outrageous prices for low level mats. It all works out. Now if the NPC prices increased along with players bank accounts you'd have a leg to stand on. But this ain't real life so real life economy lessons take a backseat to fantasy economies.
What can low level or new players sell on the AH in this game that high level players will want?
There doesn't seem to be anything unique to low level that will be in any demand at the top... this means those players will simply never catch up. It's ok in some other games like FFXI or such because there were ways for lower level players to get there hands on rare low-level goods and sell them to the rich kids. There is nothing rare in this game before endgame, and endgame will now be exclusively dominated by those that bought all their T2 gear. Parties will start rejecting anyone that doesn't already have maxed gear.
You also missed my point about removing the AD. The dupers traded the duped AD to innocent players. If you simply remove all of the duped AD from the game then you will be leaving a lot of innocent players worse off. That isn't really an option.
Originally posted by Xepo They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe.
This time PWI nailed it on themselves.
A crappy game from cryptic.
An unfinished product sold to consumers.
This is just malpractice.
This defines the underlying faulty legal formalities biding a game company.
In this case it is however ... not required to be released scenario as of now.
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Originally posted by waynejr2 They should agree to fully refund anyone who has spent money without prejudice.
I agree with hesitation. If they just announce right now, that they are willing to refund, it would have far too severe repercussions. Right now everyone is still in a state of rage. In a week if people are still requesting refunds, I feel they could announce something. But giving refunds (when they don't need to) now with everyone's emotions running wild, would result in serious financial implications for the studio and publisher. Once people calm down and let this mess get sorted out, I can almost guarantee that 90% of the flamers, demanding refunds(excluding the exploiters being banned), will quiet down and continue to progress their characters and purchasing ZEN.
I only agree because of the outcry and it would be a good PR thing to do. I do not agree out of a moral point. They have notfailed their customers, yes, they have made mistakes, as does any company (though lets remember this is an openly stated "open beta", even tho we know better). The proper thing to do is fix the issues, as they are, and push forward. However, seeing that we, as gamers, are incredibly entitled and boisterous it would not be far fetched to grant refunds.
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Originally posted by Xepo They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe.
And how many of those belong to people who are trolling, and want to grief as many people as possible? Given that its a F2P game, some people may have dozens of accounts. That has to be taken into account when dealing with these types of "polls".
Originally posted by Xepo They may want to rethink that statement. For many and I mean many on forums from this site to face Book hundreds if not thousands are saying they would rather see a complete wipe.
This time PWI nailed it on themselves.
A crappy game from cryptic.
An unfinished product sold to consumers.
This is just malpractice.
This defines the underlying faulty legal formalities biding a game company.
No, actually it is not in open beta or any other type of beta. Their use of the words does not mean that is the actual situation.
The condition of the game may be that of open beta and the ability to exploit the game may be that of open beta, but the second they started microtransactons for real cash it was released. Calling it anything else was and remains a lie. Cash does not get charged for anything during "open beta" and a full wipe is always a real possibility after open beta. Founders and anyone who purchased zen because they didn't know how to earn enough AD got screwed really bad. Fortunately for me I didn't drink the kool-aid because it smelled rancid - the AD price for zen was out of whack after about 3 days.
They confirmed they did not ever really consider this open beta the moment they said no f'ing way we will wipe. Internally this was considered released, especially for revenue purposes...
They need to not only do a complete wipe, they need to treat it like an actual open beta and fix all the exploits then do ANOTHER complete wipe when they are finally ready to call the game "released".
That's not going to happen though...
Not if they value their given word. I know integrity and honoring one's word is a thing of the past, with many, but some still value such virtues.
How is a complete wipe fair to people who played the game legit though?
If I was to log-on at this point and see my character go from 55 > 0. I'd probably /uninstall, and ask for a refund, and charge them back if they did not comply.
I don't see honest players coming out clean in anyway unless they make the changes effect ONLY exploiters and reset the AH.
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Originally posted by Gable What am I missing here? Why would there be a wipe? Has something changed? Otherwise, beta>live was going to be no change at all, so what happened that people think it might be otherwise?
There's been a massive exploit that has practically destroyed the game's economy.
I assume you are referring to the AD duping? There are about 6 other massive exploits that have been effecting the economy for a while now that still aren't fixed too.
Yes, but this one is bigger, badder, quicker and easier.
I think they should do a wipe and make an announcement on it saying sorry for the upcoming wipe but it is still in beta and to avoid further destruction of the economy there has to be a full wipe. If players can't understand if the economy is ruined so is the game itself, then stop playing.
How is a complete wipe fair to people who played the game legit though?
If I was to log-on at this point and see my character go from 55 > 0. I'd probably /uninstall, and ask for a refund, and charge them back if they did not comply.
I don't see honest players coming out clean in anyway unless they make the changes effect ONLY exploiters and reset the AH.
Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
What about all the player's starting later?They don't care about people that have played for a year and have million's of ad.No,they care about the fact that they can't afford the prices on the gear in the ah because it's controlled by..?
I can easily see this having a long term effect on the economy.Also,don't you think the publicity of this and no wipe is going to have a negative result on possible new player's?Quite frankly it make's PWE/Cryptic look like a joke,like they have no care for what is going on inside their own game.
See that's the thing. My wife still plays WoW (bless her little heart) and she loves playing the AH game. Sometimes she tells me about the ridiculous prices players pay for low level crap. Copper ore for hundreds of gold and stupid crap like that. It's like that on the server she transferred to because many players transferred to that server with bank accounts intact. So what naturally happened was high level players did not want to waste time farming low level mats. And who are the only ones farming low level mats? You guessed it low level players.
So my wife works the system of creating low level players and collecting shit just to sell to high level players because they're too damn lazy to do it themselves. That leaves low level players at an advantage of obtaining shit from NPC vendors more quickly than they could ever hope for and when they get to the stage of actually using the AH they can afford everything their because they were exposed early on to a jacked up system of cost vs. demand. Trust me it will all work out.
From what I've seen,the WoW economy and this game's economy are many miles apart.You can't even create bag's in this game to make some $$,I sure haven't seen any player created.Making $$ in the ah is harder than WoW because the game is really dominated by drop's and player created doesn't look to generate much.At least not compared to WoW.
I said nothing about creating anything. My wife farms mats....mats....in NWO these are called runes and enchants. Which lower level players get by the shit load. And high level players will need by the shit load. Also mats are gathered by the crafting system and because the system is so random with boxes from it a new player could really hit a jackpot by lucking out on a rare item.
And on that part in red. If that was truly the case then what use would low level players have for max level stuff? Players will tell them how useless it would be to get rank 6-7 enchants/runes for low level gear and by the time they get up to that level the drops would be coming in droves...
Who said anything about them buying max lvl stuff?The item's would be higher priced throughout.
I've seen how overpriced even lvl 10 greens in WoW can be.Now imagine a game that has been expoited for week's and the ah controlled by the expoiter's.You honestly think this game won't be affected with a no wipe?To me that is wishful thinking.
Have a great night Ramonski and other's in the thread.Game of Thrones is about to start so I'm out!
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Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
Look up what happened to FFXI
No need I was there. Titan server Tyberious Elvaan Monk/WAR. The demand for a NA server was mainly because JP players were less patient with US players that didn't bother understanding the renki system and US players complained about the wait for a party and feeling alienated by JP players. It was a lot on nationalism floating around from both sides. Also yes a lot of US players complained about the inflated economy but I wasn't one of them. Didn't bother me one bit because I earned my shit by putting together a linkshell and tackling the problem head on. Like researching rare drops that our linkshell would farm in order to sell by taking turns putting those rares up on the market.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Why in hell should there be a wipe, people are jelous on this exploiters which are already 60? Who cares if they are, like a wipe changes anything.
So so many people complaining about wipes in many games. Seriously this is the most useless thing I have ever seen.
It isn't about people leveling...there was a massive auction house exploit that went public (and thus extremely widespread) over the last 24 hours and the result was the creation of billions upon billions of AD out of thin air. The economy has now been completely ruined.
The economy has not been completely ruined! Setback, yes, completely ruined no. Please praytell how did a 2 week old economy get ruined by players duping free currency. And by free I mean currency earned for very little effort and practically given away anyway? What real harm can a player that has a billion AD do?
Buy up all the in-game AD items? Who cares?
Buy up all the Zen so the prices skyrocket? Who cares?
Buy up all the items on the AH players post for AD? Who cares?
By this time next year, players will have hundreds of millions of AD and nothing to spend it on. I've seen the things purchased for AD and I can say with complete confidence, I've seen better. I mean really is this a game about controlling the damn economy or is it about delving dungeons and killing dragons? Some people have their focus on the wrong thing. No wonder they think these games are in such a crappy state...
What about all the player's starting later?They don't care about people that have played for a year and have million's of ad.No,they care about the fact that they can't afford the prices on the gear in the ah because it's controlled by..?
I can easily see this having a long term effect on the economy.Also,don't you think the publicity of this and no wipe is going to have a negative result on possible new player's?Quite frankly it make's PWE/Cryptic look like a joke,like they have no care for what is going on inside their own game.
See that's the thing. My wife still plays WoW (bless her little heart) and she loves playing the AH game. Sometimes she tells me about the ridiculous prices players pay for low level crap. Copper ore for hundreds of gold and stupid crap like that. It's like that on the server she transferred to because many players transferred to that server with bank accounts intact. So what naturally happened was high level players did not want to waste time farming low level mats. And who are the only ones farming low level mats? You guessed it low level players.
So my wife works the system of creating low level players and collecting shit just to sell to high level players because they're too damn lazy to do it themselves. That leaves low level players at an advantage of obtaining shit from NPC vendors more quickly than they could ever hope for and when they get to the stage of actually using the AH they can afford everything their because they were exposed early on to a jacked up system of cost vs. demand. Trust me it will all work out.
From what I've seen,the WoW economy and this game's economy are many miles apart.You can't even create bag's in this game to make some $$,I sure haven't seen any player created.Making $$ in the ah is harder than WoW because the game is really dominated by drop's and player created doesn't look to generate much.At least not compared to WoW.
I said nothing about creating anything. My wife farms mats....mats....in NWO these are called runes and enchants. Which lower level players get by the shit load. And high level players will need by the shit load. Also mats are gathered by the crafting system and because the system is so random with boxes from it a new player could really hit a jackpot by lucking out on a rare item.
And on that part in red. If that was truly the case then what use would low level players have for max level stuff? Players will tell them how useless it would be to get rank 6-7 enchants/runes for low level gear and by the time they get up to that level the drops would be coming in droves...
Who said anything about them buying max lvl stuff?The item's would be higher priced throughout.
I've seen how overpriced even lvl 10 greens in WoW can be.Now imagine a game that has been expoited for week's and the ah controlled by the expoiter's.You honestly think this game won't be affected with a no wipe?To me that is wishful thinking.
Have a great night Ramonski and other's in the thread.Game of Thrones is about to start so I'm out!
Night Slap! I talk to ya later.
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It's been confirmed since the start of Open Beta lol.
Old news is old.
Haven't you been following the recent events? This is not about the character wipe that usually comes with beta's. That there would be no wipe simply because of that was indeed made clear from the get go.
The recent exploits however brought the possibility of a complete wipe back on the table for a lot of players because it is the only way to truly undo the damage done by the exploits.
So this is not been confirmed since the start of open beta because it is a different reason entirely that was unknown when open beta launched.
Seriously there needs to be a wipe! I am an experienced software engineer who has worked on many MMOs just like all of you. I am contracted by Cryptic so I have access to all the information they know about the situation and like all of you other Cryptic employees I also know that you CANNOT fix this issue without a full wipe......
O wait I am none of these things and neither are any of you, so enough with this wipe crap. If you want your characters deleted, delete them. Otherwise IF the issue can be resolved in any other manner, stop trying to have other people's characters deleted. Oh and let those whose job it is to fix this, fix it. You can't so shut up. Even if you are an experienced developer, you don't have the information dealing with this issue, so shut it, and stop protesting to have my character and foundries deleted.
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I said nothing about creating anything. My wife farms mats....mats....in NWO these are called runes and enchants. Which lower level players get by the shit load. And high level players will need by the shit load. Also mats are gathered by the crafting system and because the system is so random with boxes from it a new player could really hit a jackpot by lucking out on a rare item.
And on that part in red. If that was truly the case then what use would low level players have for max level stuff? Players will tell them how useless it would be to get rank 6-7 enchants/runes for low level gear and by the time they get up to that level the drops would be coming in droves...
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
and I referenced EQ2's launch you really should go look it up. The parallels are striking from duping economy inflation to selling assets to gold sites. WoW's economy even server xfers was never inflated to this degree. EQ2 only got inflated by 20ish% and it took over 2 years to stabilize while they bled players.
This has got to be one of the most naive statements I've ever read.
I've deleted my characters.
The only way I'd consider playing again is if they did a complete wipe and refunded my Zen.
The industry really needs to learn from this mistake: stop releasing games that aren't tested properly.
It's been confirmed since the start of Open Beta lol.
Old news is old.
Look up what happened to FFXI.
Edit: Apparently you played FFXI, but have no idea how it hurt the economy. Trying to explain anything to you will be beyond pointless.
And if their current stance was that there is going to be a wipe, you'd see posts on this very site saying just the opposite, that hundreds, if not thousands, are saying they are going to leave the game forever if they wipe all their data completely.
Bottom line, players are going to bitch, and they love it when developers royally screw something up because then they have something to bitch about.
What can low level or new players sell on the AH in this game that high level players will want?
There doesn't seem to be anything unique to low level that will be in any demand at the top... this means those players will simply never catch up. It's ok in some other games like FFXI or such because there were ways for lower level players to get there hands on rare low-level goods and sell them to the rich kids. There is nothing rare in this game before endgame, and endgame will now be exclusively dominated by those that bought all their T2 gear. Parties will start rejecting anyone that doesn't already have maxed gear.
You also missed my point about removing the AD. The dupers traded the duped AD to innocent players. If you simply remove all of the duped AD from the game then you will be leaving a lot of innocent players worse off. That isn't really an option.
In this case it is however ... not required to be released scenario as of now.
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I agree with hesitation. If they just announce right now, that they are willing to refund, it would have far too severe repercussions. Right now everyone is still in a state of rage. In a week if people are still requesting refunds, I feel they could announce something. But giving refunds (when they don't need to) now with everyone's emotions running wild, would result in serious financial implications for the studio and publisher. Once people calm down and let this mess get sorted out, I can almost guarantee that 90% of the flamers, demanding refunds(excluding the exploiters being banned), will quiet down and continue to progress their characters and purchasing ZEN.
I only agree because of the outcry and it would be a good PR thing to do. I do not agree out of a moral point. They have notfailed their customers, yes, they have made mistakes, as does any company (though lets remember this is an openly stated "open beta", even tho we know better). The proper thing to do is fix the issues, as they are, and push forward. However, seeing that we, as gamers, are incredibly entitled and boisterous it would not be far fetched to grant refunds.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!
And how many of those belong to people who are trolling, and want to grief as many people as possible? Given that its a F2P game, some people may have dozens of accounts. That has to be taken into account when dealing with these types of "polls".
No, actually it is not in open beta or any other type of beta. Their use of the words does not mean that is the actual situation.
The condition of the game may be that of open beta and the ability to exploit the game may be that of open beta, but the second they started microtransactons for real cash it was released. Calling it anything else was and remains a lie. Cash does not get charged for anything during "open beta" and a full wipe is always a real possibility after open beta. Founders and anyone who purchased zen because they didn't know how to earn enough AD got screwed really bad. Fortunately for me I didn't drink the kool-aid because it smelled rancid - the AD price for zen was out of whack after about 3 days.
They confirmed they did not ever really consider this open beta the moment they said no f'ing way we will wipe. Internally this was considered released, especially for revenue purposes...
"Fix" what exactly? How is punishing everyone on the server (by robbing them of their time and effort) going to "fix" anything of value?
Not if they value their given word. I know integrity and honoring one's word is a thing of the past, with many, but some still value such virtues.
How is a complete wipe fair to people who played the game legit though?
If I was to log-on at this point and see my character go from 55 > 0. I'd probably /uninstall, and ask for a refund, and charge them back if they did not comply.
I don't see honest players coming out clean in anyway unless they make the changes effect ONLY exploiters and reset the AH.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not to mention, much, MUCH more public... ^^
Well I guess my buddies and I will be passing on this one with no wipe.
I dont want to start a game way behind everyone from day 1.
To bad.
ingame Inflation will hurt the casual gamer.
Who said anything about them buying max lvl stuff?The item's would be higher priced throughout.
I've seen how overpriced even lvl 10 greens in WoW can be.Now imagine a game that has been expoited for week's and the ah controlled by the expoiter's.You honestly think this game won't be affected with a no wipe?To me that is wishful thinking.
Have a great night Ramonski and other's in the thread.Game of Thrones is about to start so I'm out!
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Arya Stark
No need I was there. Titan server Tyberious Elvaan Monk/WAR. The demand for a NA server was mainly because JP players were less patient with US players that didn't bother understanding the renki system and US players complained about the wait for a party and feeling alienated by JP players. It was a lot on nationalism floating around from both sides. Also yes a lot of US players complained about the inflated economy but I wasn't one of them. Didn't bother me one bit because I earned my shit by putting together a linkshell and tackling the problem head on. Like researching rare drops that our linkshell would farm in order to sell by taking turns putting those rares up on the market.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Night Slap! I talk to ya later.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Haven't you been following the recent events? This is not about the character wipe that usually comes with beta's. That there would be no wipe simply because of that was indeed made clear from the get go.
The recent exploits however brought the possibility of a complete wipe back on the table for a lot of players because it is the only way to truly undo the damage done by the exploits.
So this is not been confirmed since the start of open beta because it is a different reason entirely that was unknown when open beta launched.
So it is news.
Seriously there needs to be a wipe! I am an experienced software engineer who has worked on many MMOs just like all of you. I am contracted by Cryptic so I have access to all the information they know about the situation and like all of you other Cryptic employees I also know that you CANNOT fix this issue without a full wipe......
O wait I am none of these things and neither are any of you, so enough with this wipe crap. If you want your characters deleted, delete them. Otherwise IF the issue can be resolved in any other manner, stop trying to have other people's characters deleted. Oh and let those whose job it is to fix this, fix it. You can't so shut up. Even if you are an experienced developer, you don't have the information dealing with this issue, so shut it, and stop protesting to have my character and foundries deleted.
If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!