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I am just tired of all the killing and war...
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Nothing. The need of violence is in our genes. How do you think we survive evolution and became lord of this planet?
Go read some Jane Austin, and stop playing video games, if you don't like killing & war. As for me, i will go kill some digital soldiers tonight. That is fun.
I play games to "get away from reality". During my playtime I like to shoot fireballs, lightning from my fingers, you get the point. Now there are other genera of games that are not combat related. Racing and Sports games for 2 examples. If you are so tired of combat gameplay, try one of those.
Edit: /rant on
Here is the deal, the real deal. Don't like it, don't play. Don't like the SB ads, don't log. Don't like racist jokes, don't hang with racists. Don't like hot dogs, don't eat them. STOP TRYING TO TELL EVERYONE ELSE WHAT TO DO. Actions speak louder than whiney words. So again, Don't like it, don't play.
/rant off
Yeah I'm wondering that too. A number of non-combat or combat-lite games exist.
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No, we are hardwired for survival, like all living creatures. Granted this primal instinct often leads to violence but less and less so as time goes by and humans learn to live together.
Life today is way less violent and deadly than it was in the passed.
It had better change, now that we are getting so good at killing if we don't learn to restrain this basic nature we'll eventually exterminate ourselves from the planet.
But I would argue that human progress has been defined more by the more noble side of us, in spite of our warlike nature.
Now I won't lie, I've enjoyed killing stuff in MMO's and RPG's for many years, blame it on my upbringing when we used to play cowboys vs indians, or GI's vs Nazi's, and had the best toy firearms (including a realistic M16 with working grenade launcher).
But not all MMO's have to be designed this way (and in fact, all are not) but it would be nice if someone could come up with a major AAA title that was focused on an entirely different game play elements. Unfortunately, it likely would fail terribly from a financial standpoint.
I mean look at the movie industry, and if you've been around for any length of time tell me the formula's are all pretty much the same for the past 40 years or so, rare is the movie that surprises me anymore.
Heck, I'll admit to being part of the problem, haven't even tried ATID because I know it has no combat right from the start.
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Our instinct of violence does not change fast enough because evolution works in many generations, and civilization is too short to change that.
We can only suppress the violence instinct and give it other outlets .. like competitive sports, or video games.
They have meat on them. We are omnivores.
You know, I do wonder sometimes if we could use a game like the one postulated in http://www.fimfiction.net/story/62074/friendship-is-optimal
The games reflect who we are. Look at the world around you. I would argue this is a safer avenue to vent those dark thoughts/feelings. This is what there is a market for because frankly anything else would make for a boring freaking game. This thread is a sign of the emasculation of our society. I have no guilt. Violence in history, comics, games etc interest me, I make no apologies for this.
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Yeah ...
We are what we are. You can't fight human nature.
And violence is a pretty good solution for many problems. For example, all the nice packaged meat in your supermarket comes from controlled, large scale violence.
People do that every day in 2nd Life. If that's what you actually do want to do, there it is.
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I spend 90% of my time farming in Age of Wushu (as in growing crops).
It is a lot like Ultima Online
There are games that aren't 100% combat oriented, people just aren't playing them too terribly much.
This and there are countless non combat games outside of the MMO genre too.Not to mention non violent things to do in many MMOs that in some cases can progress your character vertically as well as horizontally.
Also if your tired of violence in games but can't find a non violent game or activity in a game that you like then...walk away and go do something else.No one forces you to play any games and taking a break from gaming now and then is always a good thing.
Stop being melodramatic and trying to make your issues into global ones or indictments of the human condition.
In some games that I've seen, non-combat tasks are not sufficiently rewarded. Many are just about use-less.
Not a lot of people want to be hairdressers in games. There is a reason why violent combat based games are the most popular, and mainstay of the industry.
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Well, developers have learned something the movie industry learned years ago.
Sex sells, but violence sells even more.
You're really going to big up Civilisation as an example of a non-combat game, in the middle of a rant about the evils of war?
By their very nature games are about conflict and confrontation. The only difference between winning a race on Forza and winning a match on CoD is graphics.
Maybe you should try reading some books instead, because gaming won't change until we do, and that isn't going to happen for a very long time.
It depends what the robber has to say. I certainly wouldn't take any joy in murdering a robber, he might be a very desperate man who poses no real threat to my life. To murder him without further investigation would be a terrible act indeed.
To answer the OP, game designers are not very inventive, and as such they rely on conventions that have already proved successful.
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Check out FFXIV: ARR you can just be a crafter and that's it. Crafters get their own gear their own levels and even have their own groups in the game. Disciples of the land Disciples of the Hand. Like literally you can just be a carpenter or a botanist. One for gatherers, one for crafters. Also Everquest Next is due to be shown on August 1st and lead dev on the project Dave Georgeson has stated that there is more to mmos than killing.
I really suggest you check out both.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Errr...not human faults, elven faults, the chaos gods were brought into existence by the Eldar not the humans.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
I kind of agree with the OP, in the sense that if anything is over used it loses it's impact; so when every npc on a map (bar a few in towns wearing !) is a purely disposable mob to grind through, it really doesn't matter whether you kill them, talk to them, take them out to dinner.
I would like the sense that clearing out the robber's den or whatever else is actually something worthwhile; much in the manner that Skyrim achieved where encounters were relatively rare by mmo standards and (within the technical limits of any game) impacted the world at least for a short time.
It would also be nice to see a few other objectives, whether they be exploration, economic, political, construction; other than mindlessly killing stuff.