I should also say this, so others do not think I am bashing a game I do not like.
I LOVE Everquest
It was the first MMO i dug into deep, I played it all the way up to WoW's release alongside DAoC and it was an amazing game.
I also plan to play EQN when it releases.
BUT
I could care less about art direction, EQ1's art is shit in comparison to today's standards. The way I view it is ANYTHING they do to the art for the new incantation of the game could only be an improvement. I don't care if it is wow style, realistic style, cell shade or photo. As long as it isn't pacman which is what I feel EQ1 is compared to the rest of the market.
Bring it on, I just want to see the gameplay, will it be FUN! that is what I care about, can I do epic quest with friends and hunt dragons YEAH!
Style of art... who cares.
And that is why you sound so stupid, arrogant, and rude because you don't care. You don't care about what other people think unless it fits your own viewpoint. Well wake up and realize not everyone likes the same things you like. People care about graphics or we would all play text based games or games with graphics from 1990. You care about graphics too or you would be ok with eq style graphics. You just happen to like cartoon style graphics like wow. To me it sounds like your trying to say gameplay is more important not because you believe that but because you dislike the view that realistic style graphics is better than cartoon style. No one has said gameplay doesn't matter thats something you don't seem to realize.
Also the way you keep talking about gamers like you are above the rest of us is so ridiculous when you sound like a highschool dropout with all the use of foul language in your posts.
Originally posted by Aelious I think the ironic part is that if someone were to say "I can't stand EQ, it looks so old and dated!", what would EQ fans say to them?
This has nothing to do with pixel count, it's about style. EverQuest was realistic. The current art is over the top and childish.
Well I think the "version" of Norrath will indeed be different, sort of a bizzaro world.
The more I think about the paintings I reach two conclusions:
1. The bright and overly colorful look was purposeful to ease us into the final look, which will probably be somewhat stylized but not as much. This way people who don't like stylized think "oh, it's not so bad".
2. It was purposeful just to get a reaction knowing how some would react and the game isn't like the pictures/art. When you think about it, that picture Smed twitted could have been any saved file from years ago.
I honestly think it's the first option and it's why Smed said he was nervous showing everyone for the first time. I thought it odd that something so fresh and new would come with an apprehensive tone when showing it to others.
Once I realized that it wasn't a ratonga in the picture, it did.
That is a ratonga in the picture. The legs look just like a RL rat's if it was standing.
Looks reptilian to me.
It's a ratonga wearing a skull helmet with revamped legs (Think of how in TES III the Khajiit and Argonians had more animal-like legs, then showed up in TES IV and V with human-esk legs).
They probably revamped the ratonga's a little bit so they're not just humans with rat heads and a tail.
I get that about the art but again I think it's meant to get a reaction. The whole idea of EQN is that it was supposed I be different. They knew people would scream "WoW!" at the art.
The pre-rendered model is another story. If that is indeed the artstlye I'd have to see the final look before deciding how childish it is. It may not be bright and colorful like the art.
I get that about the art but again I think it's meant to get a reaction. The whole idea of EQN is that it was supposed I be different. They knew people would scream "WoW!" at the art.
The pre-rendered model is another story. If that is indeed the artstlye I'd have to see the final look before deciding how childish it is. It may not be bright and colorful like the art.
All the leaked models and videos we've seen line up with the promotional art.
This game IS supposed to be different, which is why its so sad when we get the same childish overused artstyle that most AAA and browser MMOs have been aping for years.
Once I realized that it wasn't a ratonga in the picture, it did.
That is a ratonga in the picture. The legs look just like a RL rat's if it was standing.
Looks reptilian to me.
It's a ratonga wearing a skull helmet with revamped legs .
That was my first thought and remains my hope (since it would confirm that Ratonga ARE in game). But the more I look at it, the more i agree with others that it's either a Kobold, DI'Zok or some other small animalistic race other than ratonga.
I'm sending my spies to SOE Live to ensure that the key question of "are Ratonga playable in EQN?" gets asked.
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The look of armors yes but the colors, shading, lighting, etc. can make the same models look a lot different. If just looking at the pre-rendered model I'm a little surprised at the reaction. It's not that out of scale to be honest, certainly not by WoW standards. I think the brightness of the art is freaking some out which is why I'll wait until I see a complete picture.
Once I realized that it wasn't a ratonga in the picture, it did.
That is a ratonga in the picture. The legs look just like a RL rat's if it was standing.
Looks reptilian to me.
It's a ratonga wearing a skull helmet with revamped legs .
That was my first thought and remains my hope (since it would confirm that Ratonga ARE in game). But the more I look at it, the more i agree with others that it's either a Kobold, DI'Zok or some other small animalistic race other than ratonga.
I'm sending my spies to SOE Live to ensure that the key question of "are Ratonga playable in EQN?" gets asked.
Well here's my logic.
They said that EQN will have all the original EQ classes, but not all the EQ2 classes (Like just druid instead of Warden And fury).
So they've already appealed to EQ fans by keeping the classics... but they're not going to treat EQ2 like some red headed step child.
Really, the Ratongas are pretty much the only unique original EQ2 race and from what I remember they were really popular. (If you just count Original EQ (1999 + Ruins of Kunark) and EQ2 launch. EQ2 also had frogloks at/near start of the game if I remember, too, so maybe them as well. In any case....
I think they would be doing themselves and their fans a big disservice by not having Ratongas in the game at the start, and would give the impression that they favor one title over the other.
I plan on making a dwarf. People phear the beard.
But I do think ratongas should be in the game, for the reasons above.
They said that EQN will have all the original EQ classes, but not all the EQ2 classes (Like just druid instead of Warden And fury).
So they've already appealed to EQ fans by keeping the classics... but they're not going to treat EQ2 like some red headed step child.
Really, the Ratongas are pretty much the only unique original EQ2 race and from what I remember they were really popular. (If you just count Original EQ (1999 + Ruins of Kunark) and EQ2 launch. EQ2 also had frogloks at/near start of the game if I remember, too, so maybe them as well. In any case....
I think they would be doing themselves and their fans a big disservice by not having Ratongas in the game at the start, and would give the impression that they favor one title over the other.
I plan on making a dwarf. People phear the beard.
But I do think ratongas should be in the game, for the reasons above.
I'm with you. Ratonga are like the defining visual that distinguishes EQ2. That being said, all the logic in the world doesn't always win out.
People were asking for Beastlords from day in EQ2 and it took like 7 years to get them. And they were apparently a big thing in EQ1 (i don't really know).
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I agree. What bothers me is that the artwork isn't very original. It follows in the same style as the cheap MMOs we have seen over the past few years.
Right, which is extremely ironic since they have been going on and on about how this game would be the new revolution in MMO which would set it apart from the rest of the pack.
Apparently they didn't inform the art department of this idea, since those artworks and that in-game model look like it was pulled straight from WoW.
And like you said, it doesn't fit the world of Norrath at all.
It is so ironic. Why would they want their concept art to look just like WoW?
Just look at FV and her giant bow and sword. Those two items look the most like WoW. And that giant hammer. And the shoulder pads. And the cartoony style.
It is so disappointing, because EQ has always drawn the more mature crowd. How is this new art revolutionary? Those giant ridiculous weapons are a huge step to nowhere. We are in the same place visually.
All of these comments capture my thoughts exactly. For as much talk about how different EQNext is going to be and how it's going to revolutionize the genre, it was just really disappointing that one of the first things we are presented with is very generic artwork that is kind of over the top and silly as compared to the more mature theme of EQ.
Originally posted by Tygranir Meh, game will either be good or bad. If it's good, I'll hapily jump into Norrath reborn. If it's bad, I'll continue to sub to EQ1. No big deal. The art is art. The game has yet to be seen. And the Dragon concept are was actually pretty impressive. And old Naggy looks great, even when Sytlized.
This ^, Only person I have seen post so far that actually gets it.
From your posts on this thread that I've seen, "getting it" pretty much just means agreeing with whatever opinion it is you have, and anything different is wrong, stupid, or just another example of those gamers that give all gamers a bad reputation.
I totally understand your opinion. You don't care about the way game looks. You just want the gameplay to be fun. I've seen a couple people on here with share your thoughts.
On the flip side, I do think the majority of fans felt a connection with the way the game looks. And a majority of players will be effected by how the game looks. In fact a lot of us were proud to be nothing like WoW visually.
Edit - Personally I felt like FV was my favorite gaming character. She stood for how elegant, mature and classy a high fantasy world could be. It is pretty painful to see her look like a childrens game.
I get that, but keep in mind, we haven't seen her rendered in game yet, what we see on paper may look 10x better in game.
I honestly don't want to see that giant WoW sword and bow rendered. Because I've seen it before, in WoW.
this concept art made me throw up a little bit in my mouth. it is total crap compared to the original eq concept art. just look at the dark elf's leg armor!!! the old FV styles were light years better than this junk. this is not what i expected EQnext to be like.
Originally posted by Margulis Question is as simple as the title states. For me personally it did, I was very put off by the artstyle and "reinterpretation". It would be easier for me to not feel disappointed if I felt it was just a few random illustrations that were not likely to be of the style actually in the game - but considering that the site originally said new concept art "in the style of Everquest next" before they changed it, and the comparison photo of the screenshot smed posted on twitter to the new art showing similar huge shoulder pads and so forth, it made it seem that is indeed going to be the style unfortunately. So for myself, it did decrease my excitement some and actually has me a bit worried about the reveal and what we will see. How is everyone else feeling as a result of the art reveal?
It is painfully obvious no one ever saw the picture of the armor models that were put online a few months back. Unless they have totally scrapped that look then we can totally stop with all these threads going over the same pointless things...
I agree. What bothers me is that the artwork isn't very original. It follows in the same style as the cheap MMOs we have seen over the past few years.
Right, which is extremely ironic since they have been going on and on about how this game would be the new revolution in MMO which would set it apart from the rest of the pack.
Apparently they didn't inform the art department of this idea, since those artworks and that in-game model look like it was pulled straight from WoW.
And like you said, it doesn't fit the world of Norrath at all.
It is so ironic. Why would they want their concept art to look just like WoW?
Just look at FV and her giant bow and sword. Those two items look the most like WoW. And that giant hammer. And the shoulder pads. And the cartoony style.
It is so disappointing, because EQ has always drawn the more mature crowd. How is this new art revolutionary? Those giant ridiculous weapons are a huge step to nowhere. We are in the same place visually.
All of these comments capture my thoughts exactly. For as much talk about how different EQNext is going to be and how it's going to revolutionize the genre, it was just really disappointing that one of the first things we are presented with is very generic artwork that is kind of over the top and silly as compared to the more mature theme of EQ.
Well it was a huge letdown. I looked at the Kerra and the Rotonga and though, omg what have they done. The kerra looks stupid, and out of proportion, the rotonga legs are bent in the wrong direction. Fironia with a sword and bow that look so much wow like.
What I got out of this, those of us who actually played EQ and EQ2 most of us are adults, this new art work tells me they are shooting for a target group. It tells me they tried to put stuff in to get the wow crowd, the rift crowd, and the pre teen crowd. I think they forgot who their player base is really is that currently plays eq, and eq2.
Honestly its not the first time the Smedly and smokeblower have blown it.
The look of armors yes but the colors, shading, lighting, etc. can make the same models look a lot different. If just looking at the pre-rendered model I'm a little surprised at the reaction. It's not that out of scale to be honest, certainly not by WoW standards. I think the brightness of the art is freaking some out which is why I'll wait until I see a complete picture.
Color and shading are not the issue. The insane proportion and art itself looking moronic and cartoonlike is the issue. A hammer twice the size of the tiny person holding it? Slabs of concrete for bracers? Glowing jump rope for bows?
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And that is why you sound so stupid, arrogant, and rude because you don't care. You don't care about what other people think unless it fits your own viewpoint. Well wake up and realize not everyone likes the same things you like. People care about graphics or we would all play text based games or games with graphics from 1990. You care about graphics too or you would be ok with eq style graphics. You just happen to like cartoon style graphics like wow. To me it sounds like your trying to say gameplay is more important not because you believe that but because you dislike the view that realistic style graphics is better than cartoon style. No one has said gameplay doesn't matter thats something you don't seem to realize.
Also the way you keep talking about gamers like you are above the rest of us is so ridiculous when you sound like a highschool dropout with all the use of foul language in your posts.
This has nothing to do with pixel count, it's about style. EverQuest was realistic. The current art is over the top and childish.
You're quite something aren't you.
Some of the art and especially modelling in EQ has been bad, but overall the art has been great, especially considering the age of the game.
I challenge anyone to show something even remotely as good in a 1999 game as this.
These are in-game pictures.
The more I think about the paintings I reach two conclusions:
1. The bright and overly colorful look was purposeful to ease us into the final look, which will probably be somewhat stylized but not as much. This way people who don't like stylized think "oh, it's not so bad".
2. It was purposeful just to get a reaction knowing how some would react and the game isn't like the pictures/art. When you think about it, that picture Smed twitted could have been any saved file from years ago.
I honestly think it's the first option and it's why Smed said he was nervous showing everyone for the first time. I thought it odd that something so fresh and new would come with an apprehensive tone when showing it to others.
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It's a ratonga wearing a skull helmet with revamped legs (Think of how in TES III the Khajiit and Argonians had more animal-like legs, then showed up in TES IV and V with human-esk legs).
They probably revamped the ratonga's a little bit so they're not just humans with rat heads and a tail.
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I get that about the art but again I think it's meant to get a reaction. The whole idea of EQN is that it was supposed I be different. They knew people would scream "WoW!" at the art.
The pre-rendered model is another story. If that is indeed the artstlye I'd have to see the final look before deciding how childish it is. It may not be bright and colorful like the art.
I agree. The pictures I've seen have increased my excitement for the game.
I do hold the original style and artwork in high esteem, being a day 1 1999 EQ veteran, but I like change too. The game is going to be great.
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All the leaked models and videos we've seen line up with the promotional art.
This game IS supposed to be different, which is why its so sad when we get the same childish overused artstyle that most AAA and browser MMOs have been aping for years.
That was my first thought and remains my hope (since it would confirm that Ratonga ARE in game). But the more I look at it, the more i agree with others that it's either a Kobold, DI'Zok or some other small animalistic race other than ratonga.
I'm sending my spies to SOE Live to ensure that the key question of "are Ratonga playable in EQN?" gets asked.
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- Raph Koster
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The look of armors yes but the colors, shading, lighting, etc. can make the same models look a lot different. If just looking at the pre-rendered model I'm a little surprised at the reaction. It's not that out of scale to be honest, certainly not by WoW standards. I think the brightness of the art is freaking some out which is why I'll wait until I see a complete picture.
Well here's my logic.
They said that EQN will have all the original EQ classes, but not all the EQ2 classes (Like just druid instead of Warden And fury).
So they've already appealed to EQ fans by keeping the classics... but they're not going to treat EQ2 like some red headed step child.
Really, the Ratongas are pretty much the only unique original EQ2 race and from what I remember they were really popular. (If you just count Original EQ (1999 + Ruins of Kunark) and EQ2 launch. EQ2 also had frogloks at/near start of the game if I remember, too, so maybe them as well. In any case....
I think they would be doing themselves and their fans a big disservice by not having Ratongas in the game at the start, and would give the impression that they favor one title over the other.
I plan on making a dwarf. People phear the beard.
But I do think ratongas should be in the game, for the reasons above.
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I'm with you. Ratonga are like the defining visual that distinguishes EQ2. That being said, all the logic in the world doesn't always win out.
People were asking for Beastlords from day in EQ2 and it took like 7 years to get them. And they were apparently a big thing in EQ1 (i don't really know).
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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Honestly, the art style has very little effect on me so long as the mechanics are good and the game is solid.
All of these comments capture my thoughts exactly. For as much talk about how different EQNext is going to be and how it's going to revolutionize the genre, it was just really disappointing that one of the first things we are presented with is very generic artwork that is kind of over the top and silly as compared to the more mature theme of EQ.
The original picture had so much more style and character variety... like that crusader or the mage...
anyways, after all it's just a picture, hope the game is awesome
From your posts on this thread that I've seen, "getting it" pretty much just means agreeing with whatever opinion it is you have, and anything different is wrong, stupid, or just another example of those gamers that give all gamers a bad reputation.
I honestly don't want to see that giant WoW sword and bow rendered. Because I've seen it before, in WoW.
Considering that I commented on that picture in my OP, it's painfully obvious you don't really read posts before making sweeping assumptions.
Well it was a huge letdown. I looked at the Kerra and the Rotonga and though, omg what have they done. The kerra looks stupid, and out of proportion, the rotonga legs are bent in the wrong direction. Fironia with a sword and bow that look so much wow like.
What I got out of this, those of us who actually played EQ and EQ2 most of us are adults, this new art work tells me they are shooting for a target group. It tells me they tried to put stuff in to get the wow crowd, the rift crowd, and the pre teen crowd. I think they forgot who their player base is really is that currently plays eq, and eq2.
Honestly its not the first time the Smedly and smokeblower have blown it.
Color and shading are not the issue. The insane proportion and art itself looking moronic and cartoonlike is the issue. A hammer twice the size of the tiny person holding it? Slabs of concrete for bracers? Glowing jump rope for bows?