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Excited about an mmo that is F2P with cash shop ?
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I would normally be very excited about another Everquest, I'll not go into detail about my past play log. And this has nothing to do with Old school.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT DEVELOPERS NEED TO MAKE MONEY...This does not have to be discussed in any way shape or form. We all know operating cost are up and production cost are high. We all know every business would like to make a large profit.
BUT, this game is designed to nickel and dime you one way or another from the start. Developers and marketing are planing on squeezing extra money from you in an unexpecting way. Their will be tricks and deceitful ways of starving the player in several aspics of your mmo experience with this game.
If you play an mmo like this for the long haul, you know you will need most everything or be gimped and not wanted by other groups that call this home.
You will not know who has what ! Others around you will have more or less in one way or another. Some will try and play totally free, others will get Dads credit cards and rack up hundreds of dollars. Some will say, " I'll be reasonable and smart about what I pay for, I'll look for deals and sales "....Should you have to be reasonable ?.....Should you have to be cautious of trickery ?...Are you OK with a game like this, even if you spend smart ?.......Are you expecting to play totally free as long as you can ?
Features, Fun, Graphics, content and what ever else they give the player.....This payment model is designed for the compulsive. The past tells us that 75% of the population of a F2P mmo will be gone in the first 30 days, no matter how good the game is.
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Is it now? And you'd know that how exactly?
For people like you ?.....I say, shut up !
Many state that selling cosmetics or the like is not pay to win.That is not true in its entirety. Depending on what "win" means to you it can actually be p2w. Many people play mmorpgs for many different reasons. Maybe "WIN" to me means looking good and unique. Once they sell stuff that improve your character's looks and can't be aquired from playing the game and only by paying it turns into pay 2 win in this case.
You will prolly be able to get a gold membership and not be annoyed by cash grab tactics.
I reserve judgement for after we know more about it.
You got that right
I think you are over-dramatizing and have zero experience with any of EQ or EQ2's Cash Shops. Your points against are non-points when you see what they actually offer.
If its like PS2 I have no qualms. Also EQ, EQ2 and Vanguard F2P models are a lot better these days.
To be perfectly honest, if the game is good, I will play it regardless of the payment model, unless they are obviously taking the piss. Like Neverwinter with the new packs for the latest update.
I know it because I played SOE's other FTP and premium membership options and I have the ability to apply logic.
Well, your right and I'm not happy about it.
HOWEVER,
Final Fantasy 14 is re releasing it's mmo. So far its becoming a pre release hit. Features are looked at with both positive and negative BUT the best feature of all is Sub Based ( $13 a month ) all will be on a level playing field. No tricks, just relax and play until you decide if you would like to call it home, where money is not a trick.
If that mmo is liked.........YOU CAN CALL IT HOME FOR YEARS because of the payment method. When was the last time you had a choice like that ?
I'm definitely NOT a Final Fantasy fan, but I'm looking deeper, because it's not about trickery !
I like the fact that you left the fact that one can buy every thing in the SWTOR cash shop with in game currency from the GTN ( e.g. just like the "best" cash shop model ) out of your post.
Personally I don't play either game anymore because neither cater to my wants.
But that does not make either game inherently bad.
If you aren't interested in a discussion on the subject, this thread doesn't belong on these boards. There is a blog feature here at MMORPG that would allow you to host a one-way conversation. Perhaps you should consider starting one since you aren't interested in any response other than, "yup, you're right."
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
Do you have any examples of this for those of us who haven't played their other titles?
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
I've been playing a F2P game now for 6 months, and the other one before it for 2 years...around 2 hrs everyday at night.
In total I might have payed around $150 in all this time on the cash shops mostly for exclusive items, because in many f2p games you can buy cash shop stuff with in game currency.
And that didn't gimp me, I could still call it home, I didn't have to grind all day just to be on level with the regular cash shop users or whatever else you guys are afraid of. Yes there are some serious p2w f2p's out there...just don't play those.
and lol @ the guy saying an exclusive costume is p2w...you REALLY wanna prove your point and make everyone believe f2p's are the death of the mmo industry huh?
Ok, I guess I have to spell out the something that was black and white for the pat two years !
We have a list of about 125 of the 150 mmos that are F2P and use trickery !.....Are you expecting Everquest Next to be different ?.... Some kind of magical formula that no one used yet. One that is really truly in the players favor !
I could sit here and list 40 of them and give details, DEEP DETAILS of cash shop trickery. I say 40 instead of 125 because I would only talk about the popular ones, big name ones !
But I'm not !!!!!....If you have not caught on to the trickery, you have not been playing mmos for the past two years, or you have a credit card problem and should seek counseling unless your rich.
By saying "yes I know that" are you implying that you left it out because it weakened you point?
So it is required now to have 60 skill slots to play endgame PvE or PvP when at the most you use 20 skills max in PvP and less in Endgame PvE when you have at most a 8 skill rotation? ( On a side note: the price of a account wide quickbar unlock on the GTN was cheap enough to purchase by just doing around 30-45 minutes of daily quests. )
Ok.
I'm still not seeing how paying $60-$40 for GW2 to be able to play plus a cash shop is inherently better than a game where you can get everything just by playing. ( Granted one must pay real cash for Makab )
But, to each their own.
Time to get over it and move on people, or quit playing the genre. It's never going to go back to subscription models for anything going forward, unless you just want to stick with FFXIV: ARR. I don't like it much either, but seriously, move on, deal with it, or stick to single player games from now on. Being caught up with resentments and boycotting doesn't do anything but hurt your own potential to have fun.
I can totally understand people on tight incomes or just cautious spenders being concerned, F2P games are iffy when it comes to the disparity between what free players get compared to paying customers. While I understand it, it's hard for me to feel too much sympathy for those people that expect or feel entitled to the full experience for free. And in regard to that, as much as I still think of Sony as somewhat slimy, I'd say they have one of the more respectable cash shops of any F2P game company.
Hopefully they offer a basic sub that evens the playing field for those people.
Some of us, however, may have a bit more disposable income and gladly shell out for a game that pushes all the right buttons. I love GW2 and had no problem dropping (between my wife and I) £80 a month when we still needed gems, Neverwinter was a lot of fun for awhile, so we had no issues paying for that (and they had a way more dubious cash shop model than Sony in my opinion).
I personally disagree with a few of your assertions ( ''BUT, this game is designed to nickel and dime you one way or another from the start''), at this point that's speculation. I don't feel that's the case in EQ or EQ2, If it turns out to be the case, and they're overly harsh in prices and restrictions, people will vote with their wallets, as always.
If, however, this game turns out to be a breath of fresh air and a huge deviation from the WoW model, I'll be shoveling money at them to support the game (provided It's actually fun & enjoyable).