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What is so "innovative" about this game.

CalmOceansCalmOceans Member UncommonPosts: 2,437

SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.

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  • ZinnabunZinnabun Member Posts: 9

    Didn't you answer your own question?

    They mixed all the good stuff and put it in one place!

    My entire freaking clan is so freaking excited!

     

     

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    They showed some nice features but did not show enough of how they will translate to regular gameplay. Also would have liked to have gotten a tour of a town like Qeynos.
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183

    How about content that is discovered through destructible terrain in an MMO? Full on character interaction with the world in an MMO (ie a ledge is a ledge and your character acts according)?  NPCs with wants and desires?

     

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  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,651


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.


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  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Member UncommonPosts: 1,273

    To me it was like Rift and GW2 saying their Dynamic events will change the world. It's something fun for a week and then all the same multi-layered areas, npc interaction etc etc....

    I watched from work so I more than likely missed a lot so my understanding can be very off but I was not impressed with what I saw.

    The character animations looked good but the fighting seemed bleh.

  • Shadowguy64Shadowguy64 Member Posts: 848

    I have a feeling that those chosen for their private viewing during E3 may have been influenced by the Oooohs and Ahhhhs of the development team surrounding them. 

     

     

     

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    What was the last sandbox open world mmo where you could break the ground and go into a subterranean world and even make your way more deeper.  Or npc mobs that go anywhere they want in the given world based on their nature.
  • FoomerangFoomerang Member UncommonPosts: 5,628

    The entire game is made out of voxels and they layed like 4 zones on top of each other that you can dig/blast through.

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

  • tank017tank017 Member Posts: 2,192
    Originally posted by Zinnabun

    Didn't you answer your own question?

    They mixed all the good stuff and put it in one place!

    My entire freaking clan is so freaking excited!

     

     

    So basically it is MMO building status quo

  • ace80kace80k Member UncommonPosts: 151
    Being able to explore different levels of terrain does sound very interesting. My question is, does the terrain ever reset? Or, are we going to see holes in the ground everywhere. The same goes for bridges and other destructible game assets. I agree, we still need to see more before validating all the hype, however, from what we've seen so far, I don't see how anyone could be disappointed. The game is different and innovative compared to anything out there. I'm curious what Blizzard, Ncsoft, and Trion thought about today's reveal. They have to be a little scared.
  • VirgoThreeVirgoThree Member UncommonPosts: 1,198
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

    As far as I'm aware no MMO has pulled that off. Very little of what they showed can rightfully be called a rehash. Whether it is actually fun or good is another question, but it's definitely not a refash of any MMO I'm aware of. 

  • killion81killion81 Member UncommonPosts: 995
    The monetization!  Players will spend money in new and exciting ways that were never before thought possible!!! ;)
  • grimfallgrimfall Member UncommonPosts: 1,153
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    To paraphrase Meatloaf, three out of four ain't bad.  The class system (at least so far) is tweaks to existing systems at best.

  • ace80kace80k Member UncommonPosts: 151
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

    Minecraft isn't an MMO.

  • wesmowesmo Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.

    EQN combat is not a button smashing like wow, its more like TERA + GW2, and I loved it! What is so innovative? Log into EQN website and watch the videos, do not jump to conclusions just yet. 

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    Originally posted by VirgoThree
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

    As far as I'm aware no MMO has pulled that off. Very little of what they showed can rightfully be called a rehash. Whether it is actually fun or good is another question, but it's definitely not a refash of any MMO I'm aware of. 

     

    multiclass - FXIV maybe not on as grand of scale, but still multiclass

    destruction - vindictus... again not on as big of scale but same thing

    AI - this has been promised time and time again and never delivered not to mention the slew of issues that can arise from trying to structure your AI in this way, simple quests bug out for no good reason and now you're throwing hundreds of variables into the equation.

    rallies - rehash of DE / rifts

    still just another single player online game, not an MMORPG... have i forgot anything?

     

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    Originally posted by ace80k
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

    Minecraft isn't an MMO.

    minecraft is by definition an MMO, you can play on servers with many other people online, what it isnt, is really an RPG but it is definitely an MMO

  • wesmowesmo Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by ace80k
    Being able to explore different levels of terrain does sound very interesting. My question is, does the terrain ever reset? Or, are we going to see holes in the ground everywhere. The same goes for bridges and other destructible game assets. I agree, we still need to see more before validating all the hype, however, from what we've seen so far, I don't see how anyone could be disappointed. The game is different and innovative compared to anything out there. I'm curious what Blizzard, Ncsoft, and Trion thought about today's reveal. They have to be a little scared.

    Yes some terrains will reset over time, others will reset real fast and some will be invulnerable to avoid vandalism. That what the devs have said.

  • VladamyreVladamyre Member UncommonPosts: 223
    Originally posted by CalmOceans

    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.

    I agree that its pretty average, I know those graphics look like they came out 9 years ago when blizz released a certain game. The cat thing looks just like a tauren, especially in its fighting stance. The only thing I got out of watching that video was meh, no thanks. I know its my opinion and all but no thanks, going to have to stay away from this thing until they can upgrade the graphics by at least 9 years.

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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,032
    Sounds like SOE is trying to win over the GW2/minecraft/Vindictus crowd instead of the EQ/EQ2/Vanguard crowd......
  • ace80kace80k Member UncommonPosts: 151
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by ace80k
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

    Minecraft isn't an MMO.

    minecraft is by definition an MMO, you can play on servers with many other people online, what it isnt, is really an RPG but it is definitely an MMO

    By your definition, any game with multiple players on the same server is an MMO, so any FPS with a multiplayer option is an MMO? I'll rephrase the wording then: Minecraft isn't an MMORPG. I'd classify Minecraft more as a puzzle game than to an MMO, but whatever. Point still remains, what EQNext is doing as far as building and destroying terrain has never been done before in an MMORPG.

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504
    Originally posted by ace80k
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by ace80k
    Originally posted by mbrodie
    Originally posted by Tokken

     


    Originally posted by CalmOceans
    SoE, MMORPG.COM and TenTonhammer said people were going to be blown away and see something they had never seen before.

     

    I'm watching the videos just now, what are they talking about.

    Vindictus has destructible terrain, the landscaper is just like Minecraft, the combat didn't seem special at all, looked like WoW.

    What's so innovative about this title that was going to revolutionalise MMO? Seems like pretty run of the mill to me.


     


    Umm. didn't you watch the video? The 4 holy grails.... that's innovative.

    you realise they have all basically been done before right?

    Minecraft isn't an MMO.

    minecraft is by definition an MMO, you can play on servers with many other people online, what it isnt, is really an RPG but it is definitely an MMO

    By your definition, any game with multiple players on the same server is an MMO, so any FPS with a multiplayer option is an MMO? I'll rephrase the wording then: Minecraft isn't an MMORPG. I'd classify Minecraft more as a puzzle game than to an MMO, but whatever. Point still remains, what EQNext is doing as far as building and destroying terrain has never been done before in an MMORPG.

    foooooooor the record, player created "landscapes" are made in the everquest landmark program, which is a standalone player driven game and does not tie into everquest next.

    the tie in lies with the devs if t hey deem something worthy or if they need some free labor for a certain landscape etc.. or if you win a competetion they can opt to add your work into the game, by no means can you just willy nilly add content into everquest next, so esentially everquest landmark is minecraft 3D?

     

    your argument is invalid

  • azarhalazarhal Member RarePosts: 1,402

    Innovative stuff in a MMORPG (please not the game type). In most case they took something from another game (no necessarily a MMO) and altered/improved it.

    • Seamless world that can be permanently altered by player's actions (no GM required or xpac)
    • Player world destruction (only MMO I know where you can destroy the map when you don't own the server)
    • No levels
    • No spawn point for mobs
    • Mirror's Edge still movements, bringing new combat tactics (ex: running on walls)
    • The AI
    The best of all though is how we will be able to deal with farming bots: open holes under them right to a lavabed.
     

     

     

  • truce12truce12 Member Posts: 26
    I have to see a lot more before I form an opinion on this game.
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