Hype Train transforms into the Flame Train..

sojobo69 · August 2013

Originally posted by zevni78
How about they show just a smigen of an open mind, and patience, too much to ask? But no, "its GW2/WoW coz we say so"!

EQN may have design aspects that are questionable (to some), and we may not like later reveals, but there is technology here that needed to evolve, mechanics that could not stay as they where, or the mmo would die.

Improved AI is objectively better, it is never good to fight stupid mobs, that is just one example of how this isn't just an alternative design philosophy but necessary and inevitable steps towards better, more "real" mmo worlds. If that means the trinity cannot function, then so be it, this fear of change is un-healthy.

I promise you that this period will be looked upon as an embarrassment...

...The assumptions based on incomplete data, the assertions that some things just won’t work (even though a lot of the tech is proven), or that it will be identical to other mmos if it has anything in common at all, the accusations of SOE's motives and intended audience, the obsession with a "adult" and "mature" tone, expressed in a defensive and immature manner, the rating of graphics as more important than gameplay...

...The bandwagon insults and jokes, the way it’s been taken so personally, as if their little group was all EQ is, the drama and emotionalism, the defending of ugly UI that takes up most of the screen (seriously?), the assumption that action combat means faceroll, and all this while ignoring the panels, presentations, interviews that address most of this.

...And last but not least, the assertion that their image of what EQ is as a brand is better than that of those that created it, all expressed with this condescension and elitist tone that really gets under my skin.

Why is it that SOE seems more in touch with not just the larger gamer public, but what those of us in sandbox land, and even the pen and paper RP-ers want than these so called old school EQ-ers? Oh and by the way, my mmo of choice right now is EQ1, shout out to my bros on Vox.

^^^^ underlined ^^^^ so you believe this hmm, sooo this works so they know best remember NGE omg guess we where all wrong and they where right, but I remember them saying oops after all said and done... kinda shoots down all you have to say but rant on please...

TheCrow2k · August 2013

Its hard not to see this coming everytime a newly announced MMO reaches hype fever pitch.

William12 · August 2013

My 1 and only complaint is they used the EQ name for no other reason than to attract the masses. This is not a true EQ game it should of stood on its own and very well could it has amazing features, but it is not true to what EQ was/is about.

Khebeln · August 2013

Originally posted by evilastro
Its just the vocal minority on this forum who wanted EQ1 with a new coat of paint. Go to other gaming sites and the response is overwhelmingly positive.

I agree its just a group of the same people making new topics about the same stuff and keeping the flame going on just to make their point valid.

The rest of us love what they saw and cant wait for the game.

stevebombsquad · August 2013

Originally posted by sojobo69
Originally posted by zevni78
How about they show just a smigen of an open mind, and patience, too much to ask? But no, "its GW2/WoW coz we say so"!

EQN may have design aspects that are questionable (to some), and we may not like later reveals, but there is technology here that needed to evolve, mechanics that could not stay as they where, or the mmo would die.

Improved AI is objectively better, it is never good to fight stupid mobs, that is just one example of how this isn't just an alternative design philosophy but necessary and inevitable steps towards better, more "real" mmo worlds. If that means the trinity cannot function, then so be it, this fear of change is un-healthy.

I promise you that this period will be looked upon as an embarrassment...

...The assumptions based on incomplete data, the assertions that some things just won’t work (even though a lot of the tech is proven), or that it will be identical to other mmos if it has anything in common at all, the accusations of SOE's motives and intended audience, the obsession with a "adult" and "mature" tone, expressed in a defensive and immature manner, the rating of graphics as more important than gameplay...

...The bandwagon insults and jokes, the way it’s been taken so personally, as if their little group was all EQ is, the drama and emotionalism, the defending of ugly UI that takes up most of the screen (seriously?), the assumption that action combat means faceroll, and all this while ignoring the panels, presentations, interviews that address most of this.

...And last but not least, the assertion that their image of what EQ is as a brand is better than that of those that created it, all expressed with this condescension and elitist tone that really gets under my skin.

Why is it that SOE seems more in touch with not just the larger gamer public, but what those of us in sandbox land, and even the pen and paper RP-ers want than these so called old school EQ-ers? Oh and by the way, my mmo of choice right now is EQ1, shout out to my bros on Vox.

^^^^ underlined ^^^^ so you believe this hmm, sooo this works so they know best remember NGE omg guess we where all wrong and they where right, but I remember them saying oops after all said and done... kinda shoots down all you have to say but rant on please...

I wish this site had a "like" button because I would so like your post..........

Drakynn · August 2013

This was bound to occur several different groups here whipped themselves up into a frenzy and convinced themselves that EQN was their dream MMORPG with absolutely no facts to base anything on.No matter what was shown on Aug 2nd most of these groups were gonna be disappointed and the flame train would of been begun.

ThomasN7 · August 2013

Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this..

Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves!

I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics)

If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that.

...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

First impressions OP. They mean everything. Gamers will let you know how they feel no matter what. It was up to SOE to keep that in mind but I fear a lot of developers don't even realize how important first impressions are.

Khebeln · August 2013

Originally posted by Drakynn
This was bound to occur several different groups here whipped themselves up into a frenzy and convinced themselves that EQN was their dream MMORPG with absolutely no facts to base anything on.No matter what was shown on Aug 2nd most of these groups were gonna be disappointed and the flame train would of been begun.

I could not put it any better myself !

Slyther_Zero · August 2013

I still have faith this game can deliver something that will keep me immersed for... hopefully 6 months solid.

The beauty of F2P is that you can always just log in once a week and check on the games progress! I also love what they're doing with round table, the concept sounds promising and hopefully they can deliver on that front too.

I'm just hoping they keep to their plan and don't get a clouded mind from the hate out their.

Last thing they need is people's close-minded "set in their old ways" opinions swamping their community forums.

We need constructive criticisms, which will in turn lead to a healthy discussions/debates.

Khebeln · August 2013

Originally posted by ThomasN7
Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this..

Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves!

I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics)

If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that.

...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

First impressions OP. They mean everything. Gamers will let you know how they feel no matter what. It was up to SOE to keep that in mind but I fear a lot of developers don't even realize how important first impressions are.

They know that very well. But they also know that you cant make everyone happy, so they focus on making a fun game they would like to play instead of a game for everyone (and yet another clone)

I personally had way better first impression than i expected. Cant wait for the game. Then again i didint join the hype train before the reveal and only read the official information, [mod edit]

They did a game i was waiting and hoping for like 17 years. A living breathing world. [mod edit]

Just kinda bored with the silly talks here.

infofront · August 2013

The genre needs to evolve, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. One major example of this is the absence of the trinity system. Guild Wars 2 showcased this "advancement" and we now know it's a clear fail, at least for PvE.

Frankly, it seems this game draws waaaay too much from GW2 - both its successes and failures. We'll see if the things it adds (destructible environments, etc) live up to their full potential or are just gimmicks. Given SOE's track record, not to mention the long list of hyped up MMOs that have failed miserably over the past few years, I'm not about to get overly excited about EQN.

Slyther_Zero · August 2013

Originally posted by infofront
The genre needs to evolve, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. One major example of this is the absence of the trinity system. Guild Wars 2 showcased this "advancement" and we now know it's a clear fail, at least for PvE.Frankly, it seems this game draws waaaay too much from GW2 - both its successes and failures.

Care to explain why you feel having no trinity is a fail for PvE (dungeons)?

Shadowguy64 · August 2013

Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Nadia
i see a few reasons

some gamers were expecting a realistic look because EQN uses the same game engine as Planetside2

some gamers were expecting EQ1 but with better features and graphics

SOE ran a contest for players to submit their EQ stories of old memories

EQN given best of E3 show (without being able to say why) didnt help

after E3, there were weeks of wild speculation on these forums

Expectations are thrill killers

Agree with this 100%

I agree as well

killahh · August 2013

Originally posted by Sephiroso

Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this.. Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves! I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics) If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that. ...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

so, it was okay when everyone was hailing EQN as the MMO savior and how its gonna finally put the nail in the coffin for WoW, but now that people are starting to realize its just another run of the mill game with 1 or 2 cool features but to many tried and failed mechanics(no trinity for one) its not okay anymore?

See, this is the problem folks, some people just post with no knowledge of with they are talking about.

JDogg126 · August 2013

Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this..

Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves!

I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics)

If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that.

...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

so, it was okay when everyone was hailing EQN as the MMO savior and how its gonna finally put the nail in the coffin for WoW, but now that people are starting to realize its just another run of the mill game with 1 or 2 cool features but to many tried and failed mechanics(no trinity for one) its not okay anymore?

this is a silly thread in the first place but i do think that comments about any game putting a nail in the coffin of WoW is just plain naive. the only force in the world that can bury WoW is Blizzard itself. they will milk that cash cow until the very last cow dies. in the process the people who do leave WoW are not doing so because of another game, they are doing so because they lose interesting in WoW. lose interest in the mainstreaming. people are not looking for another mainstream MMO they just aren't. they want something that will give them a unique and fun gaming experience. so please just give the snide comments and arrogant hostility a rest.

infofront · August 2013

Originally posted by Slyther_Zero

Originally posted by infofront
The genre needs to evolve, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. One major example of this is the absence of the trinity system. Guild Wars 2 showcased this "advancement" and we now know it's a clear fail, at least for PvE.Frankly, it seems this game draws waaaay too much from GW2 - both its successes and failures.

Care to explain why you feel having no trinity is a fail for PvE (dungeons)?

I feel it doesn't foster a sense of cooperation or teamwork. Even if the trinity is rigid, and I'm sure not the perfect solution, it at least makes players cooperate and work together as a team, with each member filling a role. In GW2 dungeons it just seems everyone is running around trying not to get hit. Your job in GW2 is to look out for yourself.

Slyther_Zero · August 2013

Originally posted by infofront
Originally posted by Slyther_Zero Originally posted by infofront The genre needs to evolve, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. One major example of this is the absence of the trinity system. Guild Wars 2 showcased this "advancement" and we now know it's a clear fail, at least for PvE.Frankly, it seems this game draws waaaay too much from GW2 - both its successes and failures.

Care to explain why you feel having no trinity is a fail for PvE (dungeons)?

I feel it doesn't foster a sense of cooperation or teamwork. Even if the trinity is rigid, and I'm sure not the perfect solution, it at least makes players cooperate and work together as a team, with each member filling a role. In GW2 dungeons it just seems everyone is running around trying not to get hit. Your job in GW2 is to look out for yourself.

This has some truth but it depends on the dungeon. I know for a fact that some dungeons, more so the higher level ones require team work for the boss encounter else you don't get anywhere. I have been playing again recently after taking a long break and find that these harder dungeons bring out the best of players, people who co-operate and help each other out, use chat to explain boss mechanics etc.

You can write off GW2 based off early dungeon fights. Go play arah and come back and tell me you didn't need team work to complete an explorable path

Drakephire · August 2013

This was predicted. The nostalgianistas were never going to let this game launch without whining.

jerlot65 · August 2013

Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this..

Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves!

I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics)

If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that.

...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

Because too many different opinions on what a good game is to each and every person. What me or you see has a great game, there's literally millions of other people that absolutely don't like the game. Its too bad the people that don't like games quickly turn to hate mongers.

hulgar · August 2013

Its simple..for real..its just that most people thar are rising eyebrows and telling what is wrong with this proyect loves EQ more that all the SOE defence force gathered together..
And i agree with the second poster..is all cool and nice as long as you only say positive things..talk about hipocresy

zevni78 · August 2013

Originally posted by sojobo69
Originally posted by zevni78

...And last but not least, the assertion that their image of what EQ is as a brand is better than that of those that created it, all expressed with this condescension and elitist tone that really gets under my skin.

^^^^ underlined ^^^^ so you believe this hmm, sooo this works so they know best remember NGE omg guess we where all wrong and they where right, but I remember them saying oops after all said and done... kinda shoots down all you have to say but rant on please...

This isn't about SOE as a whole, I am not defending them, or even addressing them, this is about the developers making EQN, and those who are from EQ1 and 2 originally. This panel shows they are committed to the EQ legacy, and people can dismiss all this on the basis of other games SOE handled, or Smed's record, or whatever accuse you want.

What matters outside of possible publisher problems (such as ProsiebianSat.1 fo us in the EU) is why they are doing this. It is clear from the shortcomings of EQ2 - and the fact that they kept making the same mistakes during this games' development until this radical change of philosophy, which essentially amounts to a reverse NGE, that they are learning from mistakes either they or others in SOE made. Look at Dave Georgeson at 2:20 in this interview nod and smile at the SWG reference in this interview, could they be doing more to make up for NGE? (even though most of the EQN people where not responsible for it).

Then there is how they are doing this, (with tech we know has been tested), leaving the question of whether it will combine well together. But if you want to ignore the actual people making this, and the details then go ahead and say I am putting too much faith in them, but only one of us is actually talking about the facts of the game.

zwei2 · August 2013

Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this..

Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves!

I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics)

If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that.

...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

I will support EQN and praise well deserved points, doesn't mean I will not criticize any portion I do not like. If SOE dares to highlight certain gameplays/selling points in their videos and FAQ session, SOE dares people to comment on it, whether to praise or criticize. What do you think SOE is? A government?

IfrianMMO · August 2013

Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Slyther_Zero
I just don't get it.. Why is there so many people hating on this game before it's even out. You really can't judge a game until you've played it, especially MMORPG's. Any MMO gamer would know this..

Just because it's changed it's concepts from the other EQ games doesn't mean its good or bad. We won't know until we've tested it ourselves!

I think all the hater's need to take a chill pill and take a step back and stop whinging about shit that the devs will never change. (eg - core gameplay mechanics)

If you don't like it don't play it, it's as simple as that.

...we need more positive threads and informative posts. Not ranting.

so, it was okay when everyone was hailing EQN as the MMO savior and how its gonna finally put the nail in the coffin for WoW, but now that people are starting to realize its just another run of the mill game with 1 or 2 cool features but to many tried and failed mechanics(no trinity for one) its not okay anymore?

For the same reason WoW fans are not allowed to use WoW´s sub numbers and history as a proof of it´s quality but every other game and fan-base can brag about their subscriptions/users to defend their game and it´s quality.

Dullahan · August 2013

Ironically, EQ Next has so many things that would and likely still will make it a hugely successful game. Much of the hype for this game was well deserved.

The problem is that they took a massive steaming dump on the EQ franchise and the people who love EQ the most by changing the things we love the most about Everquest: the classes and role system, and thus, the combat.

I don't think its fair to imply everyone is flaming EQ Next now, or that the mood has really changed much at all. Theres still tons of haters out there that will continue to hate, and theres still players praising it. The difference is, now a lot of the players who loved EQ, or want to love EQ Next have some very valid complaints that are keeping them from doing so.

Shadanwolf · August 2013

Suprise suprise.

You call the new product idea Everquest. The concepts(not game) are hyped incessantly.Some even name it the best "game" of show....when only a handful even saw what the concepts are......then hype it incessantly till the reveal of the tech demo with basic elements completely unfinished.You have an element or two that a significant segment of gamers simply can't stand.and you ask why the reaction ?

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