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  • MattatronMattatron Member Posts: 226
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by TheSlither
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    I told 8 people I know... friends, friends of friends... who know I have been playing this, about my experience with this suspension. They were on the fence about it because I was talking about it. Now they will not buy it at all.

    So they want cheat/spam too? Glad that they dont buy then.

    Trolls...

     

    On another note, resubs are coming up soon. Suspended accounts aren't allowed to change their sub options, but I got an email a couple days ago saying my trial period was about up.

    So, right now I can't change my account info, remove my pay info or cancel. I think I'll call my bank today and explain this situation.

    Yeah, you do that.  Don't cheat next time.

    Puts a whole new angle on your posts about the auto bans to stop gil RMT.

    I didn't cheat, troll. Do you honestly think I'd care to discuss this if I was involved with cheating and rmt? Think, man. If I really was "that guy", I'd still be doing it, because from what I hear, the rmt advertisements and mining bots haven't stopped in the now 5 days I've been suspended.

    What puts what new angle on what? What are you talking about. Are you drunk posting?

  • MattatronMattatron Member Posts: 226
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
     Could be true but a lot of crafters bought gil to be able to buy everything they needed to level their crafting fast.

    This is an absurd statement. For myself I got most mats myself, and traded for stuff from crafting classes I had not yet leveled.

    I can't believe you even typed that.

  • tommygunzIItommygunzII Member Posts: 321
    If you are innocent, you will be fine. Just let them finish their investigation. SE takes these things very seriously, it's one of the reasons I have so much respect for them.
  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by TheSlither
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    I told 8 people I know... friends, friends of friends... who know I have been playing this, about my experience with this suspension. They were on the fence about it because I was talking about it. Now they will not buy it at all.

    So they want cheat/spam too? Glad that they dont buy then.

    Trolls...

     

    On another note, resubs are coming up soon. Suspended accounts aren't allowed to change their sub options, but I got an email a couple days ago saying my trial period was about up.

    So, right now I can't change my account info, remove my pay info or cancel. I think I'll call my bank today and explain this situation.

    Yeah, you do that.  Don't cheat next time.

    Puts a whole new angle on your posts about the auto bans to stop gil RMT.

    I didn't cheat, troll. Do you honestly think I'd care to discuss this if I was involved with cheating and rmt? Think, man. If I really was "that guy", I'd still be doing it, because from what I hear, the rmt advertisements and mining bots haven't stopped in the now 5 days I've been suspended.

    What puts what new angle on what? What are you talking about. Are you drunk posting?

    Not saying you cheated but I have worked in the corrections field and guilty people spend a lot of time talking about how innocent  they are on any forum they can find. If you really are innocent, you will get your account back. This is being done for the good of the game. This gold seller thing is worth putting peoples account on a 72 hr ban to get this fixed. The economy in this game needs to be fixed. SE is showing they have the balls to take action and fix what the gold sellers have broken.  

  • AsboAsbo Member UncommonPosts: 812
    Originally posted by Mattatron

    Apparently my account has been suspended for botting, use third party software, and other cheating. No one else has used my account and I did not cheat in any way.

     

    So, apparently, there is to be an investigation. If they really investigate, they'll find I didn't cheat.

     

    So, I suspect, because I was doing well, malicious people reported me as a cheater. Is this all it takes to get someone's account suspended? That's griefing.

     

    Anyway, if I don't get my account back complete with all my money and items from before this suspension began, I'm done with this game. There's no reason to work for something if it can just be taken away like this.

    This always seems to happen with players who buy these games from this company and that's why I NEVER EVER buy there games. If you invest lots of time and do well to be told you cheating must suck! I would suggest you try and get your money back and move on as if you bought it with a credit card like I do with all games now and then if the game does not do as advertised I apply to get a refund from the credit card company and have never failed to recover any money to date and have done this three times thus far.

    Good luck at getting this resolved.

    Asbo

  • AlamarethAlamareth Member UncommonPosts: 570
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by TheSlither
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    I told 8 people I know... friends, friends of friends... who know I have been playing this, about my experience with this suspension. They were on the fence about it because I was talking about it. Now they will not buy it at all.

    So they want cheat/spam too? Glad that they dont buy then.

    Trolls...

     

    On another note, resubs are coming up soon. Suspended accounts aren't allowed to change their sub options, but I got an email a couple days ago saying my trial period was about up.

    So, right now I can't change my account info, remove my pay info or cancel. I think I'll call my bank today and explain this situation.

    Yeah, you do that.  Don't cheat next time.

    Puts a whole new angle on your posts about the auto bans to stop gil RMT.

    I didn't cheat, troll. Do you honestly think I'd care to discuss this if I was involved with cheating and rmt? Think, man. If I really was "that guy", I'd still be doing it, because from what I hear, the rmt advertisements and mining bots haven't stopped in the now 5 days I've been suspended.

    What puts what new angle on what? What are you talking about. Are you drunk posting?

    You came to MMORPG to complain about a ban/suspension of up to 72 hours for investigation and throw a fit on a place where:

    A) No one actually cares.

    B) Most people don't even play the game.

    C) No one has any ability to help you.

    The only actual purpose this has is to somehow cast the game in a bad light when less than ONE TENTH OF A HUNDREDTH of a percent of population received some sort of disciplinary action.

    I think that gives me more than I need to feel comfortable with the claim that you are both a cheater and a liar.  Your sole purpose is to attack which is the last refuge of the guilty.

  • MattatronMattatron Member Posts: 226
    Originally posted by tommygunzII
    If you are innocent, you will be fine. Just let them finish their investigation. SE takes these things very seriously, it's one of the reasons I have so much respect for them.

    I missed 5 days of progression and sales so far, particularly on a big weekend when I would have advanced to selling 2 star items. Even when they finish their investigation, they're not going to pay me back what I've potentially lost in this early, critical time period.

     

    Taking things seriously is good. I'd imagine taking this seriously would include preparing for such a contingency as this and having the software framework intact to know if they have to suspend people BEFORE they suspend people. They didn't, and that means they are inept.

     

  • UkihaUkiha Member Posts: 58
    Pretty sure Speed Runners reported you for being AFK in a Dungeon, that's the only reason i see why you're  suspended if you did not used Bots/Cheats.
  • MattatronMattatron Member Posts: 226
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    You came to MMORPG to complain about a ban/suspension of up to 72 hours for investigation and throw a fit on a place where:

    A) No one actually cares.

    B) Most people don't even play the game.

    C) No one has any ability to help you.

    If you don't care about gaming, why are you on a gaming site, trolling people?

    If you don't play the game, what vested interest do you / would you have in participating in this conversation?

     

    I absolutely will rail against this game from now on.

  • AlamarethAlamareth Member UncommonPosts: 570
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    You came to MMORPG to complain about a ban/suspension of up to 72 hours for investigation and throw a fit on a place where:

    A) No one actually cares.

    B) Most people don't even play the game.

    C) No one has any ability to help you.

    If you don't care about gaming, why are you on a gaming site, trolling people?

    If you don't play the game, what vested interest do you / would you have in participating in this conversation?

     

    I absolutely will rail against this game from now on.

    I'm not trolling you, I'm calling into question your motives.  That's different.

    Also, unless you have multiple personalities you are singular - not plural.

  • MattatronMattatron Member Posts: 226
    Originally posted by Ukiha
    Pretty sure Speed Runners reported you for being AFK in a Dungeon, that's the only reason i see why you're  suspended if you did not used Bots/Cheats.

    I was only 42 monk as far as adventure level. I'd not encountered any aspect like that in that game. Someone mentioned in another discussion if it was abused tactics in some fight. I haven't even progressed to that encounter, yet.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by tommygunzII
    If you are innocent, you will be fine. Just let them finish their investigation. SE takes these things very seriously, it's one of the reasons I have so much respect for them.

    I missed 5 days of progression and sales so far, particularly on a big weekend when I would have advanced to selling 2 star items. Even when they finish their investigation, they're not going to pay me back what I've potentially lost in this early, critical time period.

     

    Taking things seriously is good. I'd imagine taking this seriously would include preparing for such a contingency as this and having the software framework intact to know if they have to suspend people BEFORE they suspend people. They didn't, and that means they are inept.

     

    5 days in the life of a MMO. Thats a drop in the bucket. This is a problem that needs to be fixed or the game wont be worth playing at all and all your time will be worth nothing.

  • TsumoroTsumoro Member UncommonPosts: 435

    I didn't cheat, troll. Do you honestly think I'd care to discuss this if I was involved with cheating and rmt? Think, man. If I really was "that guy", I'd still be doing it, because from what I hear, the rmt advertisements and mining bots haven't stopped in the now 5 days I've been suspended.

    What puts what new angle on what? What are you talking about. Are you drunk posting?

    Okay this thread has gone on from some time, there is actually plenty of information going on with this at the moment. In short, even if you didn't directly cheat you may have indirectly came into contact with funds or materials that were gathered/funded using either malicious programs (Bots) or gold that was farmed, or traded between accounts linked to RMT. 

    In short, your account may of just been flagged as an account which has had a link with RMT even if yourself didn't directly cheat, SE have no way to know if that is the case without doing an investigation. 

    Does it suck for you? Yes it does, is it SE fault? No, not really considering they are banning the people doing the RMT that are being reported. The ones harming the community with RMT at the moment are people with insecure passwords. 

    You have to 'buy' the game to get on it to play, an expense that Gold Sellers don't often take for advert purposes. It is much easier (and cheaper) to hack peoples accounts and do their spam from there.

    Hopefully all will be addressed soon, and please please people if you can't be bothered to change your Fking password to something more secure, or even on a regular basis PLEASE get the security token. You owe it to yourself AND it's free! Christ! 

     

  • MattatronMattatron Member Posts: 226
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by Alamareth

    You came to MMORPG to complain about a ban/suspension of up to 72 hours for investigation and throw a fit on a place where:

    A) No one actually cares.

    B) Most people don't even play the game.

    C) No one has any ability to help you.

    If you don't care about gaming, why are you on a gaming site, trolling people?

    If you don't play the game, what vested interest do you / would you have in participating in this conversation?

     

    I absolutely will rail against this game from now on.

    I'm not trolling you, I'm calling into question your motives.  That's different.

    Also, unless you have multiple personalities you are singular - not plural.

    Well, as far as I'm concerned the onus of proof lies with SE to show me where or how I did something considered exploitive, because I know I have not. There are multiple discussion on reddit and the ffxiv forum, testimonials from scores, if not hundreds of people who argue the same sentiment...

    ...we don't know what we did. The company isn't communicating. This is the best job the company can do and it offends us as (now I'm sure many now former) customers.

     

    Other than that, you'll have to take it or leave it, but if you're going to continue to be abusive, we can settle it with a forum mod here, ok.

  • DoomsDay01DoomsDay01 Member UncommonPosts: 783
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by TheSlither
    Originally posted by Mattatron
    I told 8 people I know... friends, friends of friends... who know I have been playing this, about my experience with this suspension. They were on the fence about it because I was talking about it. Now they will not buy it at all.

    So they want cheat/spam too? Glad that they dont buy then.

    Trolls...

     

    On another note, resubs are coming up soon. Suspended accounts aren't allowed to change their sub options, but I got an email a couple days ago saying my trial period was about up.

    So, right now I can't change my account info, remove my pay info or cancel. I think I'll call my bank today and explain this situation.

    Yeah, you do that.  Don't cheat next time.

    Puts a whole new angle on your posts about the auto bans to stop gil RMT.

    I didn't cheat, troll. Do you honestly think I'd care to discuss this if I was involved with cheating and rmt? Think, man. If I really was "that guy", I'd still be doing it, because from what I hear, the rmt advertisements and mining bots haven't stopped in the now 5 days I've been suspended.

    What puts what new angle on what? What are you talking about. Are you drunk posting?

    You came to MMORPG to complain about a ban/suspension of up to 72 hours for investigation and throw a fit on a place where:

    A) No one actually cares.

    B) Most people don't even play the game.

    C) No one has any ability to help you.

    The only actual purpose this has is to somehow cast the game in a bad light when less than ONE TENTH OF A HUNDREDTH of a percent of population received some sort of disciplinary action.

    I think that gives me more than I need to feel comfortable with the claim that you are both a cheater and a liar.  Your sole purpose is to attack which is the last refuge of the guilty.

    You saw that he is way past the 72 hour mark and still has heard nothing, right?

    Where else can he complain? If his account is suspended its not like he can complain the games forum.

    I dont know if he actually did it or not but I am the type of person that likes to believe people until they are proven they lied.

    Heck, I been waiting to see if something is said to me for how I play. I get people stopping and watching me fight stuff all the time due to being able to fight multiple mobs with my arcanist and being good at killing stuff efficiently. Just because someone excels at doing something, doesnt make them a cheater.

  • tommygunzIItommygunzII Member Posts: 321

    Some interesting information:

     

    - Date: Sep. 12 – Sep. 30, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT site advertisements: 6,154 accounts
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 156 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn

    - Date: Sep. 28, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activities: 568 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination/Temporary suspension from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn
    * Accounts of egregious violators will be terminated.

    - Total Frozen Gil: Approximately 367,700 million Gil
    * Gil of temporarily suspended accounts will be confiscated.

     

     

     

    Yes, that is 367,700,000,000 gil that is frozen right now. Over a quarter trillion.

  • AlamarethAlamareth Member UncommonPosts: 570
    Originally posted by tommygunzII

    Some interesting information:

     

    - Date: Sep. 12 – Sep. 30, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT site advertisements: 6,154 accounts
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 156 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn

    - Date: Sep. 28, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activities: 568 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination/Temporary suspension from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn
    * Accounts of egregious violators will be terminated.

    - Total Frozen Gil: Approximately 367,700 million Gil
    * Gil of temporarily suspended accounts will be confiscated.

     

     

     

    Yes, that is 367,700,000,000 gil that is frozen right now.

    Made that point yesterday in the other thread about RMT and bans.  I explained how Mattatron could easily be caught in in the web that SE uses to intentionally trap RMT buyers since he was so active in the markets.

    I gave him the benefit of the doubt in that thread.  Now?  Nah.  He's guilty.

    As for where else can he complain?  No where.  I don't remember how complaining ever moved the ball forward when dealing with a ban.  Just because someone excels at something doesn't mean they didn't use illicit methods.  See how easy that frame of argument is?  We don't know.  All I can do is look at what I see here and make a judgment on his character - which I'm less than impressed with at the moment.

    As for onus of proof?  SE doesn't need to share one single thing.  They *should*, but they don't have to so I suppose they chose not to.  Sucks, but it's pretty standard.

    Still a fraction of fraction of a minute segment of the population.  Hardly even worth discussing.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    Originally posted by tommygunzII

    Some interesting information:

     

    - Date: Sep. 12 – Sep. 30, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT site advertisements: 6,154 accounts
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 156 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn

    - Date: Sep. 28, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activities: 568 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination/Temporary suspension from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn
    * Accounts of egregious violators will be terminated.

    - Total Frozen Gil: Approximately 367,700 million Gil
    * Gil of temporarily suspended accounts will be confiscated.

     

     

     

    Yes, that is 367,700,000,000 gil that is frozen right now.

    I like of the thousands of accounts suspended only a few hundred had their accounts closed. Make you wonder about the people yelling they really are innocent. This looks nothing like a blanket ban, this looks more like looking for people who were really guilty.  

  • AlamarethAlamareth Member UncommonPosts: 570
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by tommygunzII

    Some interesting information:

     

    - Date: Sep. 12 – Sep. 30, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT site advertisements: 6,154 accounts
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 156 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn

    - Date: Sep. 28, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activities: 568 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination/Temporary suspension from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn
    * Accounts of egregious violators will be terminated.

    - Total Frozen Gil: Approximately 367,700 million Gil
    * Gil of temporarily suspended accounts will be confiscated.

     

     

     

    Yes, that is 367,700,000,000 gil that is frozen right now.

    I like of the thousands of accounts suspended only a few hundred had their accounts closed. Make you wonder about the people yelling they really are innocent. This looks nothing like a blanket ban, this looks more like looking for people who were really guilty.  

    There was a duping bug.

    If it's anything like what they did with the RMT Pwner in FFXI - they intentionally let bots go to catch the full chain of transactions.  Then they ban hammer the crap out of everyone in the process.  Incidentals have gil confiscated and I'm sure there's a small micro fraction of innocent people caught up in it.

    I rather doubt that Mattatron is one of the extreme few.

  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731


    Originally posted by Mattatron
    So, I called. They said it's an investigation, no info what they're looking for, no eta. This will probably last through the weekend if not longer. I'm not sure which is the bigger downer, all of this or the trolls in this forum.
    i had my account suspended a few weeks back. they logged in and made a new toon on a new server. i could tell because i could still get to the char select screen and look at all the toons. but i couldnt log in because it said i was still currently logged in. thats when i knew i was hacked. i changed the password and got a token for my phone. after they went afk and was dc'd the account got locked. i called SE and they said there will b an investigation. about a week later i was fine and able to play again. nothin was taken or sold. i assume they just gold spammed.
    anyways i said something about it here on the forums and people instantly said i either bought gold or i visited gold selling sites or phishing emails. it was hilarious how people said its my fault for buying gold and im a liar. point is if u just wait awhile u will get ur account back and u should b good to go. get the token and u will b safe.
  • TheSlitherTheSlither Member Posts: 59
    Originally posted by Alamareth
    Originally posted by Nanfoodle
    Originally posted by tommygunzII

    Some interesting information:

     

    - Date: Sep. 12 – Sep. 30, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT site advertisements: 6,154 accounts
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 156 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn

    - Date: Sep. 28, 2013
    - Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT/illicit activities: 568 accounts
    - Action Details: Termination/Temporary suspension from FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn
    * Accounts of egregious violators will be terminated.

    - Total Frozen Gil: Approximately 367,700 million Gil
    * Gil of temporarily suspended accounts will be confiscated.

     

     

     

    Yes, that is 367,700,000,000 gil that is frozen right now.

    I like of the thousands of accounts suspended only a few hundred had their accounts closed. Make you wonder about the people yelling they really are innocent. This looks nothing like a blanket ban, this looks more like looking for people who were really guilty.  

    There was a duping bug.

    If it's anything like what they did with the RMT Pwner in FFXI - they intentionally let bots go to catch the full chain of transactions.  Then they ban hammer the crap out of everyone in the process.  Incidentals have gil confiscated and I'm sure there's a small micro fraction of innocent people caught up in it.

    I rather doubt that Mattatron is one of the extreme few.

    I think they are  doing great job. As you can see in game that GIL from sellers are much expensive. From few dollars its now 30$.

  • TheSlitherTheSlither Member Posts: 59
    Originally posted by silverreign

     


    Originally posted by Mattatron
    So, I called. They said it's an investigation, no info what they're looking for, no eta.

     

     

    This will probably last through the weekend if not longer. I'm not sure which is the bigger downer, all of this or the trolls in this forum.


    i had my account suspended a few weeks back. they logged in and made a new toon on a new server. i could tell because i could still get to the char select screen and look at all the toons. but i couldnt log in because it said i was still currently logged in. thats when i knew i was hacked. i changed the password and got a token for my phone. after they went afk and was dc'd the account got locked. i called SE and they said there will b an investigation. about a week later i was fine and able to play again. nothin was taken or sold. i assume they just gold spammed.
    anyways i said something about it here on the forums and people instantly said i either bought gold or i visited gold selling sites or phishing emails. it was hilarious how people said its my fault for buying gold and im a liar. point is if u just wait awhile u will get ur account back and u should b good to go. get the token and u will b safe.

     

    Well If your account is hacked its your fail. Lack of security in your PC.

  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731


    Originally posted by Mattatron
    Originally posted by Ukiha Pretty sure Speed Runners reported you for being AFK in a Dungeon, that's the only reason i see why you're  suspended if you did not used Bots/Cheats.
    I was only 42 monk as far as adventure level. I'd not encountered any aspect like that in that game. Someone mentioned in another discussion if it was abused tactics in some fight. I haven't even progressed to that encounter, yet.

    when u finally get ur account back, scroll through the servers and check if there is a new toon on a server u never made. when i was hacked they only had my account for a couple hours. could have happened when u were sleepin. u never had to do anything.
  • maple2maple2 Member UncommonPosts: 161
    Originally posted by Mattatron

    Apparently my account has been suspended for botting, use third party software, and other cheating. No one else has used my account and I did not cheat in any way.

     

    So, apparently, there is to be an investigation. If they really investigate, they'll find I didn't cheat.

     

    So, I suspect, because I was doing well, malicious people reported me as a cheater. Is this all it takes to get someone's account suspended? That's griefing.

     

    Anyway, if I don't get my account back complete with all my money and items from before this suspension began, I'm done with this game. There's no reason to work for something if it can just be taken away like this.

    sorry but no u got banned for cheating thats it stop cheating..

  • Moxom914Moxom914 Member RarePosts: 731


    Originally posted by TheSlither
    Originally posted by silverreign   Originally posted by Mattatron So, I called. They said it's an investigation, no info what they're looking for, no eta.     This will probably last through the weekend if not longer. I'm not sure which is the bigger downer, all of this or the trolls in this forum.
    i had my account suspended a few weeks back. they logged in and made a new toon on a new server. i could tell because i could still get to the char select screen and look at all the toons. but i couldnt log in because it said i was still currently logged in. thats when i knew i was hacked. i changed the password and got a token for my phone. after they went afk and was dc'd the account got locked. i called SE and they said there will b an investigation. about a week later i was fine and able to play again. nothin was taken or sold. i assume they just gold spammed. anyways i said something about it here on the forums and people instantly said i either bought gold or i visited gold selling sites or phishing emails. it was hilarious how people said its my fault for buying gold and im a liar. point is if u just wait awhile u will get ur account back and u should b good to go. get the token and u will b safe.  
    Well If your account is hacked its your fail. Lack of security in your PC.

    well as i stated in my other post when i was hacked i said it was my fault. i should have had a token. se reported that "other companies" had their info leaked and if u used the same log in info u could b hacked. when i called se the guy said something has happened to have thousands of people banned in a few days. se said "other companies". i think they were and just dont want to admit it. either way it was my fault for not having a token. i replied to the OP to let him know that his account will b fine not so u can flame someone for trying to help.
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