Some of the racials seem pretty random. (I've posted in another whole thread on it.... i was planning on doing a sneaky argonian scout, which seems to fit them,but they get no benefits at all to anything stealth related and instead get benefits for tanking. on the flipside, wood elves and khajit get +9% damage to sneak attacks and better stealth, which sounds pretty huge to me.)
I usually don't care much about min/maxing race, but with benefits this big, it might be first time that i actually do. So yeah, if you're truly concerned abotu min/maxing and there isn't already a race that gives you good healing benefits, then wait for imperials.
With that said... it looks like both the restoration staff healing abilities AND the templar healing abilities use Magicka. Knowing this, there are already two races whose racials heavily focus on Magicka - High Elves and Breton. I think, At best, the imperials might have the same abilities. So you should be pretty safe in picking these and going with it.
As someone else pointed out though, the free horse is HUGE, especially in the early game. I think that's the bigges advantage the CE gives. I doubt the imperials will get any ultra rare abilities that you can't get with one of the other races.
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With that said... it looks like both the restoration staff healing abilities AND the templar healing abilities use Magicka. Knowing this, there are already two races whose racials heavily focus on Magicka - High Elves and Redguard. I think, At best, the imperials might have the same abilities. So you should be pretty safe in picking these and going with it.
It's actually the Bretons that get the Magicka focus in racials.
Redguard get bonuses to max stamina and stamina regen. Probably make great melee DPS and tanks.
which is interesting, because daggerfall covenant has bretons, who are distinct healers, and redguard which are considered the best tank class (only from race boni, which arent huge, but we know us min-maxers). the other alliances dont have that clear roles in their races. propably that helped zenimax decide thrashing the race-alliance lock.
With that said... it looks like both the restoration staff healing abilities AND the templar healing abilities use Magicka. Knowing this, there are already two races whose racials heavily focus on Magicka - High Elves and Redguard. I think, At best, the imperials might have the same abilities. So you should be pretty safe in picking these and going with it.
It's actually the Bretons that get the Magicka focus in racials.
Redguard get bonuses to max stamina and stamina regen. Probably make great melee DPS and tanks.
oops, yes, Breton, misread the line on the chart i was looking at
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Originally posted by lathaan which is interesting, because daggerfall covenant has bretons, who are distinct healers, and redguard which are considered the best tank class (only from race boni, which arent huge, but we know us min-maxers). the other alliances dont have that clear roles in their races. propably that helped zenimax decide thrashing the race-alliance lock.
idk about Redguard being best tanks. The +6% to healing received and +3% max health that Argonians get seems very tankish, plus resistances. I mean, it all depends on how the game pans out, but in most game, hp and incoming healing are huge for tanks.
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Originally posted by lathaan which is interesting, because daggerfall covenant has bretons, who are distinct healers, and redguard which are considered the best tank class (only from race boni, which arent huge, but we know us min-maxers). the other alliances dont have that clear roles in their races. propably that helped zenimax decide thrashing the race-alliance lock.
idk about Redguard being best tanks. The +6% to healing received and +3% max health that Argonians get seems very tankish, plus resistances. I mean, it all depends on how the game pans out, but in most game, hp and incoming healing are huge for tanks.
True, a Breton/ DK/Heavy Armor/Mace & Shield is a super tank with even better magic resistance. Hell, High Elf can make a super tank resto staff/DK build. Your racials allow you to avoid putting point in magicka for the Dragon Knight abilities and you can dump them into Health... there are so many ways to build tanks and anything else in game it's ridiculous.
Come on. Don't reward them for locking a whole race behind a paywall.
While I personally don't enjoy ES:O. I understand why many do and I hope the game is successful and around for a long time for you folks. However, I still would never encourage them to get the CE due to the crap that Zenimax is pulling with the Imperial Race.
Well... The horse and the rings of mara can be gotten through normal gameplay. I am going to make a wild guess and say that somehow someway the Imperial race will be able to be unlocked in game through normal play and the CE is a way to bypass that.. Only IMO and a guess.
I have already gotten the digital CE and I paid less for it than I normally do for games.. $58 after discounts.
Something tells me the min/max type player may not like this game. I could be wrong, but we will see. So far I haven't seen anything that would allow them to do their min /maxing calculations. To me this is a good thing as it minimizes FOTM builds, lets people play how they want to play, and run whatever build they like and not be told your doing it wrong if your not running this.
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Restricting the Imperial race to the CE wouldn't be a problem if we weren't also being asked for a monthly sub which still doesn't give access to every race in the game. That stinks.
So I'll be paying a sub and there are still paygates?
Yeah the wording on the CE makes is sound like the imperial race is not locked to that CE. It uses the term "exclusive COLLECTION of digital content"...which to me indicates that all three or four things together is the collection so they can sell any single item in their cash shop.
But the big thing from the CE is the horse mount which will save tons of gold. With the 20% off codes, the difference between the CE and the regular game is only like $16.
Youd think they'd have clarified it by now considering all the hate theyve been getting since it was announced. I for one may consider buying the game again if its true. I doubt it though, theyd have said something by now. Im thinking its exactly as it implies; exclusive. They wouldve said "Be the first to play as Imperial" or something along that line if it was attainable in game ... same goes for the faction unlocks. The easy answer is usually the right one ... and this just reeks of pay gate and even what theyd consider a "fun" item they'll have in their cash shop.
Restricting the Imperial race to the CE wouldn't be a problem if we weren't also being asked for a monthly sub which still doesn't give access to every race in the game. That stinks.
So I'll be paying a sub and there are still paygates?
If you buy the CE (which you say is "not a problem"), you indeed have access to all the races.
People seem so pissed off about this. I mean, for once a CE is actually giving something decent. It's not you like you NEED to play an imperial to get the most out of the game. They're not even one of the alliance races, they're just a cosmetic bonus race.
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Originally posted by Scot I don't want to sound fussy but is the Imperial a race or just an occupation? I understood the pre-orders were allowing starter characters to be called Imperial but that's not actually a race?
It is a race.
In every previous TES game they've been a fairly mediocre race with bonuses geared toward shop prices or gaining extra gold - as well as some so-so bonuses to sword-use and blocking. Their racial bonus list hasn't been released yet, so there's no telling if they'll remain a mediocre race or if they'll be given some half-way decent racials.
Their racial "look" is, as of Oblivion & Skyrim, Roman-ish. Their racial armor looks very good, though, but I think it's been implied that anyone can craft it with the proper recipe, so that's hardly an issue.
Come on. Don't reward them for locking a whole race behind a paywall.
While I personally don't enjoy ES:O. I understand why many do and I hope the game is successful and around for a long time for you folks. However, I still would never encourage them to get the CE due to the crap that Zenimax is pulling with the Imperial Race.
It's the same game just from a different seat. When I go to a Cowboys game in Arlington Texas I can sit in a certain spot depending on how much I want to pay. No difference to me here, except that for $20 more I get way more entertainment than 3 or 4 hours watching the Cowboys lose! I will get hundreds of hours of playtime, and the satisfaction of knowing I didn't hesitate to get the Imperial version and kick myself later for not doing it.
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Restricting the Imperial race to the CE wouldn't be a problem if we weren't also being asked for a monthly sub which still doesn't give access to every race in the game. That stinks.
So I'll be paying a sub and there are still paygates?
If you buy the CE (which you say is "not a problem"), you indeed have access to all the races.
People seem so pissed off about this. I mean, for once a CE is actually giving something decent. It's not you like you NEED to play an imperial to get the most out of the game. They're not even one of the alliance races, they're just a cosmetic bonus race.
They aren't just cosmetic though, they have bonuses, crafting styles and gear that other races don't have access to. I think it's a dangerous precident that paying a monthly sub no longer gives access to every race and crafting style in the game. No you don't need to play an Imperial to get the most out of the game, but if I don't buy the CE and I'm paying £107 a year shouldn't I have access to all races? I'm surprised anyone thinks this isn't a problem.
My point wasn't that it's wrong to include Imperials in the CE, it's that people who are subbing (everyone to start with) won't have access to the whole game. If they are going to include b2p items they should make the game f2p.
Originally posted by Scot I don't want to sound fussy but is the Imperial a race or just an occupation? I understood the pre-orders were allowing starter characters to be called Imperial but that's not actually a race?
It is a race.
In every previous TES game they've been a fairly mediocre race with bonuses geared toward shop prices or gaining extra gold - as well as some so-so bonuses to sword-use and blocking. Their racial bonus list hasn't been released yet, so there's no telling if they'll remain a mediocre race or if they'll be given some half-way decent racials.
Their racial "look" is, as of Oblivion & Skyrim, Roman-ish. Their racial armor looks very good, though, but I think it's been implied that anyone can craft it with the proper recipe, so that's hardly an issue.
Anyone can craft and wear imperial armor if they have the recipe or knows a crafter who has it. Imperials will start with the knowledge but have to learn all the other races recipes. This is kind of why I think the whole race lock thing for pre-orders is blown out of proportion. Once I put on a full suit of Imperial heavy armor it's not going to matter what race I am in PVP I'll look like a imperial. Same with all the other race armor as well. The only differences between races are that one skill line and even if there is a race that has a advantage at launch over others that won't last long as the cry's for nerfs are going to be loud.
I remember when EQ2 first launched and Paladins got a horse at level 20 that was equivalent to the lowest level horse you could buy with gold. It created a endless multiple week campaign on the forums about how unfair it was that Paladins got something everyone else had to buy until the horse speed was nerfed to match run speed. The community will make sure any uniqueness between races and classes is abused and whined about until it's nerfed into irrelevance.
My point wasn't that it's wrong to include Imperials in the CE, it's that people who are subbing (everyone to start with) won't have access to the whole game. If they are going to include b2p items they should make the game f2p.
Pretty much every CE in recent memory has included items that weren't available to subscribers. Nothing available in the CE prevents me from playing "the whole game". Few and far between are the people for whom "the whole game" means getting every possible item, on every possible combination of race and class. And THOSE people will buy the CE anyway.
Not having a white horse, roman armor or a 4th option for a human race is not gamebreaking in any way. At least to me.
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My point wasn't that it's wrong to include Imperials in the CE, it's that people who are subbing (everyone to start with) won't have access to the whole game. If they are going to include b2p items they should make the game f2p.
Pretty much every CE in recent memory has included items that weren't available to subscribers. Nothing available in the CE prevents me from playing "the whole game". Few and far between are the people for whom "the whole game" means getting every possible item, on every possible combination of race and class. And THOSE people will buy the CE anyway.
Not having a white horse, roman armor or a 4th option for a human race is not gamebreaking in any way. At least to me.
Sorry but it's not the same, previous CEs have included cosmetics that have no impact on the game world. This is a whole race we are talking about with skils and abilities denied subscibers. There is a difference. The whole game includes all of the races, classes and full access to the game world. That's what anyone subscribing should get.
You might be happy buying something with parts missing, generally I'm not. It's a sad state of affairs. What if they removed 4 races and made you pay $80 to get them, or charged $20 per race on top of the monthly sub. Is that ok? Where would you draw the line?
It's a slippery slope. When the next game is released and whole regions and quest lines aren't available to subscribers remember this is where it all began.
My point wasn't that it's wrong to include Imperials in the CE, it's that people who are subbing (everyone to start with) won't have access to the whole game. If they are going to include b2p items they should make the game f2p.
Pretty much every CE in recent memory has included items that weren't available to subscribers. Nothing available in the CE prevents me from playing "the whole game". Few and far between are the people for whom "the whole game" means getting every possible item, on every possible combination of race and class. And THOSE people will buy the CE anyway.
Not having a white horse, roman armor or a 4th option for a human race is not gamebreaking in any way. At least to me.
I get the horse and armor are perfectly reasonable for a CE version but I can see where some people would get worked up over the Imperial race. It is pushing the bounds a bit especially for a established IP where the Imperials is such a iconic race. If they had done this in the single player game I think the complaints would have been just as vocal.
I'm not going to say I won't buy the game because of it but I won't ignore how it could bother some people either.
Such an iconic race that they aren't even included in any of the alliances.
Honestly, ESO's marketing team just sucks. They should have called the CE the "Regular Edition" and the edition without imperials the "Discount Edition". THen they would have had all these super happy people that can save $20 by skipping a race they don't need to play the game anyway. Instead, they did it this way and just pissed everyone off.
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My point wasn't that it's wrong to include Imperials in the CE, it's that people who are subbing (everyone to start with) won't have access to the whole game. If they are going to include b2p items they should make the game f2p.
Pretty much every CE in recent memory has included items that weren't available to subscribers. Nothing available in the CE prevents me from playing "the whole game". Few and far between are the people for whom "the whole game" means getting every possible item, on every possible combination of race and class. And THOSE people will buy the CE anyway.
Not having a white horse, roman armor or a 4th option for a human race is not gamebreaking in any way. At least to me.
I get the horse and armor are perfectly reasonable for a CE version but I can see the where some people would get worked up over the Imperial race. It is pushing the bounds a bit especially for a established IP where the Imperials is such a iconic race. If they had done this in the single player game I think the complaints would have been just as vocal.
I'm not going to say I won't buy the game because of it but I won't ignore how it could bother some people either.
I agree, however I would venture to say that most people complaining don't even play Imperial in the single player games. Obviously, there's no solid data to back that claim up, so it's just opinion - but no one that I know ever rolls an Imperial, they roll a Breton if they want to be a vanilla human because the bonuses are superior and the aesthetic is practically the same.
Of course, a flock of people will descend, quote this and claim that they've played Imperials in ever TES game, they own an Imperial T-Shirt, had their hair cut in Imperial style and only greet people with "Stop right there criminal scum!" because someone points that out - and they are utterly furious to the point of not playing the game that there's a "paywall" stopping them from living their life's dream, regardless of the fact that there was practically zero complaining about Imperial not being playable prior to the CE.
While I agree that the race is 'Iconic' and shouldn't be added to the Collector's Edition, I think most people that complain vocally about it weren't going to pick the game up to begin with - they're just looking for the biggest complaint to exploit. That's what happens with every other game.
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it.. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
I think Lord Bachus what you should do is preorder the standard edition, wait till after launch to see if you like imperial race, then upgrade your account if you like it.
Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so. Players who pre-ordered a physical edition at a retailer should contact that retailer to discuss changing their pre-order.
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it.. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
I think Lord Bachus what you should do is preorder the standard edition, wait till after launch to see if you like imperial race, then upgrade your account if you like it.
Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so. Players who pre-ordered a physical edition at a retailer should contact that retailer to discuss changing their pre-order.
QUESTION ANSWERED /END THREAD!
One could then argue he loses his head start since he have to wait to become a imperial.
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it.. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
I think Lord Bachus what you should do is preorder the standard edition, wait till after launch to see if you like imperial race, then upgrade your account if you like it.
Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition by visiting The Elder Scrolls Online Store (https://store.elderscrollsonline.com). This will allow them to receive the exclusive collection of in-game rewards available from the Digital Imperial Edition. This upgrade service will be available from April 4th, 2014. If players have purchased a physical copy of the Standard Edition but wish to upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition, our upgrade service is there to help you do so. Players who pre-ordered a physical edition at a retailer should contact that retailer to discuss changing their pre-order.
QUESTION ANSWERED /END THREAD!
One could then argue he loses his head start since he have to wait to become a imperial.
Which would then change the OP's question from:
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it.. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
Into this new question:
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it (TO LOSE MY EARLY ACCESS TO FIND OUT IF I LIKE IT).. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
Only Lord Bachus can then Answer the new modified question proposed to him by the new information hes has just recived.
Well Lord Bachus what is your answer? Inquiring minds would like to know!
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Some of the racials seem pretty random. (I've posted in another whole thread on it.... i was planning on doing a sneaky argonian scout, which seems to fit them,but they get no benefits at all to anything stealth related and instead get benefits for tanking. on the flipside, wood elves and khajit get +9% damage to sneak attacks and better stealth, which sounds pretty huge to me.)
I usually don't care much about min/maxing race, but with benefits this big, it might be first time that i actually do. So yeah, if you're truly concerned abotu min/maxing and there isn't already a race that gives you good healing benefits, then wait for imperials.
With that said... it looks like both the restoration staff healing abilities AND the templar healing abilities use Magicka. Knowing this, there are already two races whose racials heavily focus on Magicka - High Elves and Breton. I think, At best, the imperials might have the same abilities. So you should be pretty safe in picking these and going with it.
As someone else pointed out though, the free horse is HUGE, especially in the early game. I think that's the bigges advantage the CE gives. I doubt the imperials will get any ultra rare abilities that you can't get with one of the other races.
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It's actually the Bretons that get the Magicka focus in racials.
Redguard get bonuses to max stamina and stamina regen. Probably make great melee DPS and tanks.
oops, yes, Breton, misread the line on the chart i was looking at
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idk about Redguard being best tanks. The +6% to healing received and +3% max health that Argonians get seems very tankish, plus resistances. I mean, it all depends on how the game pans out, but in most game, hp and incoming healing are huge for tanks.
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True, a Breton/ DK/Heavy Armor/Mace & Shield is a super tank with even better magic resistance. Hell, High Elf can make a super tank resto staff/DK build. Your racials allow you to avoid putting point in magicka for the Dragon Knight abilities and you can dump them into Health... there are so many ways to build tanks and anything else in game it's ridiculous.
Well... The horse and the rings of mara can be gotten through normal gameplay. I am going to make a wild guess and say that somehow someway the Imperial race will be able to be unlocked in game through normal play and the CE is a way to bypass that.. Only IMO and a guess.
I have already gotten the digital CE and I paid less for it than I normally do for games.. $58 after discounts.
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Restricting the Imperial race to the CE wouldn't be a problem if we weren't also being asked for a monthly sub which still doesn't give access to every race in the game. That stinks.
So I'll be paying a sub and there are still paygates?
Youd think they'd have clarified it by now considering all the hate theyve been getting since it was announced. I for one may consider buying the game again if its true. I doubt it though, theyd have said something by now. Im thinking its exactly as it implies; exclusive. They wouldve said "Be the first to play as Imperial" or something along that line if it was attainable in game ... same goes for the faction unlocks. The easy answer is usually the right one ... and this just reeks of pay gate and even what theyd consider a "fun" item they'll have in their cash shop.
If you buy the CE (which you say is "not a problem"), you indeed have access to all the races.
People seem so pissed off about this. I mean, for once a CE is actually giving something decent. It's not you like you NEED to play an imperial to get the most out of the game. They're not even one of the alliance races, they're just a cosmetic bonus race.
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It is a race.
In every previous TES game they've been a fairly mediocre race with bonuses geared toward shop prices or gaining extra gold - as well as some so-so bonuses to sword-use and blocking. Their racial bonus list hasn't been released yet, so there's no telling if they'll remain a mediocre race or if they'll be given some half-way decent racials.
Their racial "look" is, as of Oblivion & Skyrim, Roman-ish. Their racial armor looks very good, though, but I think it's been implied that anyone can craft it with the proper recipe, so that's hardly an issue.
It's the same game just from a different seat. When I go to a Cowboys game in Arlington Texas I can sit in a certain spot depending on how much I want to pay. No difference to me here, except that for $20 more I get way more entertainment than 3 or 4 hours watching the Cowboys lose! I will get hundreds of hours of playtime, and the satisfaction of knowing I didn't hesitate to get the Imperial version and kick myself later for not doing it.
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They aren't just cosmetic though, they have bonuses, crafting styles and gear that other races don't have access to. I think it's a dangerous precident that paying a monthly sub no longer gives access to every race and crafting style in the game. No you don't need to play an Imperial to get the most out of the game, but if I don't buy the CE and I'm paying £107 a year shouldn't I have access to all races? I'm surprised anyone thinks this isn't a problem.
My point wasn't that it's wrong to include Imperials in the CE, it's that people who are subbing (everyone to start with) won't have access to the whole game. If they are going to include b2p items they should make the game f2p.
Anyone can craft and wear imperial armor if they have the recipe or knows a crafter who has it. Imperials will start with the knowledge but have to learn all the other races recipes. This is kind of why I think the whole race lock thing for pre-orders is blown out of proportion. Once I put on a full suit of Imperial heavy armor it's not going to matter what race I am in PVP I'll look like a imperial. Same with all the other race armor as well. The only differences between races are that one skill line and even if there is a race that has a advantage at launch over others that won't last long as the cry's for nerfs are going to be loud.
I remember when EQ2 first launched and Paladins got a horse at level 20 that was equivalent to the lowest level horse you could buy with gold. It created a endless multiple week campaign on the forums about how unfair it was that Paladins got something everyone else had to buy until the horse speed was nerfed to match run speed. The community will make sure any uniqueness between races and classes is abused and whined about until it's nerfed into irrelevance.
Pretty much every CE in recent memory has included items that weren't available to subscribers. Nothing available in the CE prevents me from playing "the whole game". Few and far between are the people for whom "the whole game" means getting every possible item, on every possible combination of race and class. And THOSE people will buy the CE anyway.
Not having a white horse, roman armor or a 4th option for a human race is not gamebreaking in any way. At least to me.
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Sorry but it's not the same, previous CEs have included cosmetics that have no impact on the game world. This is a whole race we are talking about with skils and abilities denied subscibers. There is a difference. The whole game includes all of the races, classes and full access to the game world. That's what anyone subscribing should get.
You might be happy buying something with parts missing, generally I'm not. It's a sad state of affairs. What if they removed 4 races and made you pay $80 to get them, or charged $20 per race on top of the monthly sub. Is that ok? Where would you draw the line?
It's a slippery slope. When the next game is released and whole regions and quest lines aren't available to subscribers remember this is where it all began.
I get the horse and armor are perfectly reasonable for a CE version but I can see where some people would get worked up over the Imperial race. It is pushing the bounds a bit especially for a established IP where the Imperials is such a iconic race. If they had done this in the single player game I think the complaints would have been just as vocal.
I'm not going to say I won't buy the game because of it but I won't ignore how it could bother some people either.
Such an iconic race that they aren't even included in any of the alliances.
Honestly, ESO's marketing team just sucks. They should have called the CE the "Regular Edition" and the edition without imperials the "Discount Edition". THen they would have had all these super happy people that can save $20 by skipping a race they don't need to play the game anyway. Instead, they did it this way and just pissed everyone off.
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I agree, however I would venture to say that most people complaining don't even play Imperial in the single player games. Obviously, there's no solid data to back that claim up, so it's just opinion - but no one that I know ever rolls an Imperial, they roll a Breton if they want to be a vanilla human because the bonuses are superior and the aesthetic is practically the same.
Of course, a flock of people will descend, quote this and claim that they've played Imperials in ever TES game, they own an Imperial T-Shirt, had their hair cut in Imperial style and only greet people with "Stop right there criminal scum!" because someone points that out - and they are utterly furious to the point of not playing the game that there's a "paywall" stopping them from living their life's dream, regardless of the fact that there was practically zero complaining about Imperial not being playable prior to the CE.
While I agree that the race is 'Iconic' and shouldn't be added to the Collector's Edition, I think most people that complain vocally about it weren't going to pick the game up to begin with - they're just looking for the biggest complaint to exploit. That's what happens with every other game.
I'm not getting the point here.
Gamebreaking cause you can't pay $20 extra for a race? Would you feel the same if it was a Class.
Lets say WoW for a second . Play a monk with out buying MoP. Nope cant and that thing goes for 49.99$ (CND)
So paying for a race or not for 20$ seems to me like a marketing thing. I think they will release this as a DLC later if not after release.
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I think Lord Bachus what you should do is preorder the standard edition, wait till after launch to see if you like imperial race, then upgrade your account if you like it.
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One could then argue he loses his head start since he have to wait to become a imperial.
Which would then change the OP's question from:
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it.. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
Into this new question:
I am just asking myself if buying the collectors ediition for the i perial race will be worth it (TO LOSE MY EARLY ACCESS TO FIND OUT IF I LIKE IT).. To sattisfy the minmaxer in me..
Only Lord Bachus can then Answer the new modified question proposed to him by the new information hes has just recived.
Well Lord Bachus what is your answer? Inquiring minds would like to know!