Don't really care on the review, good or bad. However isn't this same reviewer that played beta for next to no time, and was caught on Reddiit saying he couldn't see the point in reviewing it again, as his mind was made up?
No it's not the same random pulled out of thin air reviewer you just conjured up, thanks for investigating though.
Don't really care on the review, good or bad. However isn't this same reviewer that played beta for next to no time, and was caught on Reddiit saying he couldn't see the point in reviewing it again, as his mind was made up?
No it's not the same random pulled out of thin air reviewer you just conjured up, thanks for investigating though.
No need to be defensive. It was a question.
This site had an exchange with PC Gamer re. ESO when the press NDA was lifted. So it is not conjured up.
I rated the game and the result was 6,5 so i guess i am in the same boat as PC Gamer. Mice game, nothing special...
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
I will be honest even if it makes me look stupid. I thought PC Gamer had been reviewed out of existence long ago. I am being serious. I didn't even know they still existed. Oh well....
So i have played the game, does my 10.0 hurt any ones feelings?
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by ohioastro ...because anyone who disagrees with a negative review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "fanboy" whose opinion doesn't count.
..because anyone who disagrees with a positive review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "hater" whose opinion doesn't count.
Life is hard, really hard.
Which is why on this site you cant have a civil conversation. Both of you are fairly stupid in my estimate. Don't take it to heart. It is just my review of the situation. I know I'm not PC Gamer but...I stand by it.
Originally posted by ohioastro ...because anyone who disagrees with a negative review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "fanboy" whose opinion doesn't count.
..because anyone who disagrees with a positive review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "hater" whose opinion doesn't count.
Life is hard, really hard.
Which is why on this site you cant have a civil conversation. Both of you are fairly stupid in my estimate. Don't take it to heart. It is just my review of the situation. I know I'm not PC Gamer but...I stand by it.
No kidding, I think I am about to give up here.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Originally posted by ohioastro ...because anyone who disagrees with a negative review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "fanboy" whose opinion doesn't count.
..because anyone who disagrees with a positive review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "hater" whose opinion doesn't count.
Life is hard, really hard.
Which is why on this site you cant have a civil conversation. Both of you are fairly stupid in my estimate. Don't take it to heart. It is just my review of the situation. I know I'm not PC Gamer but...I stand by it.
Which was the point I was trying to make. Both extreme views are laughable and entertaining. Hell, some poster above sounded almost giddy about the negative review and made it sound like this one review would bring down the game. Can't really understand that mentality but whatever floats peoples boat....
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Don't really agree with this. I'd days a 7 at minimum (I know it's worth that but I'm not at end game yet so I can't say exactly what it should be) but I understand where they're coming from and where the publisher hate is originating. The thing is as an Elder scrolls game it doesn't work as so many have pointed out. It's basically a hub based quest mmo (really good quests) with a heavy focus on crafting, mass pvp, and (eventually) an interesting take on end game. Unlike most elder scrolls games you have a start, middle, and end. There's no way around it even with the skyrim skin it has this game inherently works like mmos have for the last ten years or so but with a new shiny bits of paint to disguise it. I can't help but believe that if this wasn't elder scrolls it would be getting a lot of 8s and far less crying from those heavily invested in previous games that don't really care for mmos but it is so it will skew the opinion of many. I will say this there are times when I've actually turned the music off and given my full attention to the story of this game... when it's good it's good. That's not somthing I usually do in mmos and I'm looking forward to going through the three other storylines.
Amazing. I well known publication rates TESO above average, but not stellar and everyone thinks the reviewer is a Hater.. That is just funny.
How in the fugg is a D+ average? No wonder I despise most gamers anymore.
I was wondering the same thing. Then I saw that someone said it was a "B" at their university. O.o What? A 69 is not a very good score, imo and that of the NC Education Board.
What's fascinating to me is that professional reviews have become utterly uncorrelated with how I react to games. AAA single player games get uniformly strong reviews, whether the players love or hate the games. Indy games tend to get harsh reviews, especially if they're challenging at all. MMOs tend to get reviews all over the place.
So I saw glowing reviews for Dragon Age 2 and Civ 5; in both cases I found them to be huge steps backwards relative to their predecessors. You could beat the release version of Civ 5 on deity with 4 horses and the AI had no idea at all about tactics. Total War Rome 2 got strong reviews despite crippling bugs (I waited; it's better now). If you want a credibility hit for PC Gamer, look at their TW Rome 2 review - which didn't even mention that the AI *could not siege player cities at all on release.* As in, their units could not carry ladders to walls and climb them. This is a non-trivial drawback for a game focused on, you guessed it, conquest and sieges. SimCity(!) had the critics liking it and users hating it - I didn't bother. On the other side, I liked Europa Universalis 4 (and so did the reviewers), and Bioshock Infinite was a fun, if short, ride; and both users and reviewers really liked Skyrim and Fallout New Vegas (again, modulo bugs in the latter.) Reviewers hated the difficulty of the Witcher 2, Might & Magic X, Eador, Don't Starve. I liked all of them.
So, forgive me if people looking for Skyrim 2.0 didn't find it. And forgive me if I attach little or no weight to pro reviews (whether good or bad.)
Well said. The reviewer from PC Gamer's gripes about the game were mostly idiotic, a couple I can understand, but deducting points off an mmorpg because you hate seeing other players in the game is the most retarded thing I've ever heard and just damages their credibility. Single-player games get off easy all the time, I love Skyrim but when it came out it was a complete mess, and it was totally broken on PS3, yet it received universal acclaim. God forbid an mmorpg as massive as ESO has bugs which is inexcusable to some so they score it low. I'll be back when mmorpg puts out their review, and if they give it a good score I can't wait to see how many people say they were paid for it.
It is, nonetheless, the exception. My enthusiasm for The Elder Scrolls Online's competitive side doesn't stack up against the time I have spent feeling drained by drab questing or restricted by a world ensconced in fog. This is an MMORPG of moderate scope with a few good ideas and the resources invested in it seem sufficient to expect new dungeons, daily quests and armour sets to collect at a decent clip for the next couple of months. If you're tired of your current fantasy haunt and looking for somewhere to transfer your guild, this game may suit you for a time. For everyone else, though, I'd advise caution. There's no game that I'd be happy recommending on the basis that it's at best 'okay' for thirty-plus hours. 'Okay' isn't good enough when you're facing down this much of a premium, and I can't imagine paying a monthly fee to visit somewhere I've been many times before.
PC Gamer also gave SW:TOR a 93, and it is about as dull as anything I have ever played. I tried to enjoy it, I really did. I subbed to TOR for a year, but after that I just could not do it anymore. I really like the visual style of it and the combat system. Story was good, but the damn repetition just got to me after about 2 months. ESO is not on rails, that was my biggest complaint about TOR. No way to change direction of leveling. One way only and the quests were basically lined up like pins in an alley. At least with ESO I can go exploring different parts of the world. By the way, ok for thirty-plus hours? Hell I'm over 80 and do not see myself stopping for a long time. And here I thought it was addicting to find things in Skyrim in the over 800 hours I have in it.
If you read the review it says he played 30 hours, that's the first zone only. How these guys review games without playing them thoroughly is beyond me.
30 hours in TESO is very little time in-game. The game is massive. There are a LOT of problems with ESO at the moment, bugs everywhere, but once those bugs are ironed out, this is a very good game.
Sure, even with all the bugs fixed, latency and such, the game is still missing content that a MMO could use:
There are no sandbox features, there are no Battlegrounds, there is no pvp outside Cyrodiil, you are forced to level through PVE if you want to reach level 50 in 2014, the dungeons are too easy, class skills need a lot of tweaking, combat is clunky and unresponsive.
There are a lot of problems with ESO but once they fix the bugs, it can be a good game. If they introduce good proper MMO features in the future, then it will be a very good game.
As of right now, it has average dungeon difficulty, gorgeous graphics and environments, great story and LOTS of it, runs very smoothly even with hundreds of players on screen, great crafting system, the PVP needs to work on responsiveness but its very cool also.
The game is very worth the buy and it can only get better from now on, just need patience until they fix the many bugs that riddle it.
Originally posted by ohioastro ...because anyone who disagrees with a negative review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "fanboy" whose opinion doesn't count.
..because anyone who disagrees with a positive review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "hater" whose opinion doesn't count.
Life is hard, really hard.
Which is why on this site you cant have a civil conversation. Both of you are fairly stupid in my estimate. Don't take it to heart. It is just my review of the situation. I know I'm not PC Gamer but...I stand by it.
I'm sorry, but the situation on this forum is not remotely symmetric. You have people coming in here and actively sneering at the players who are enjoying this game. The people who are enjoying the game are not seeking out the favorite pastimes of those posters and telling them why they're idiots for enjoying them. It's the same handful of posters, and it gets really old.
And it is a particularly obnoxious trait to end frontal attacks with a dismissal of any disagreement as coming from "fanboys". You even see people writing posts "The fanboys will hate this" before there are any responses to critical posts. In this thread this was the *second* post. I see virtually nothing like this on the other side.
Originally posted by ohioastro ...because anyone who disagrees with a negative review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "fanboy" whose opinion doesn't count.
..because anyone who disagrees with a positive review or comment, regardless of merit, is a "hater" whose opinion doesn't count.
Life is hard, really hard.
Which is why on this site you cant have a civil conversation. Both of you are fairly stupid in my estimate. Don't take it to heart. It is just my review of the situation. I know I'm not PC Gamer but...I stand by it.
I'm sorry, but the situation on this forum is not remotely symmetric. You have people coming in here and actively sneering at the players who are enjoying this game. The people who are enjoying the game are not seeking out the favorite pastimes of those posters and telling them why they're idiots for enjoying them. It's the same handful of posters, and it gets really old.
And it is a particularly obnoxious trait to end frontal attacks with a dismissal of any disagreement as coming from "fanboys". You even see people writing posts "The fanboys will hate this" before there are any responses to critical posts. In this thread this was the *second* post. I see virtually nothing like this on the other side.
Then you're not looking hard enough. In fact, many of your posts on other threads are questionable as well. I've only been back to this site for less than a week searching out all tidbits on ESO since I'm not sure yet if I should buy, and already I know that you along with a handful of others are hardcore defenders of this game, quick to attack, no matter what is said or how others say it. Pot, meet kettle.
This behavior surrounds the game with as much negativity as someone spouting nothing but hate on it.
Originally posted by Kryn I will be honest even if it makes me look stupid. I thought PC Gamer had been reviewed out of existence long ago. I am being serious. I didn't even know they still existed. Oh well....
PCGamer is the top gaming magazine in the UK, at least for PC's, up there with Xbox magazine etc for consoles, they have a seperate team for the US, but afaik they are pretty much the same there too, as far as gaming magazines go, their pretty huge, and reputably, unbiased. Their review of ESO wasn't horribad by any means, its just that the game is a bit marmite.
Originally posted by Kryn I will be honest even if it makes me look stupid. I thought PC Gamer had been reviewed out of existence long ago. I am being serious. I didn't even know they still existed. Oh well....
PCGamer is the top gaming magazine in the UK, at least for PC's, up there with Xbox magazine etc for consoles, they have a seperate team for the US, but afaik they are pretty much the same there too, as far as gaming magazines go, their pretty huge, and reputably, unbiased. Their review of ESO wasn't horribad by any means, its just that the game is a bit marmite.
That's what I thought, but held my tongue. I'm not from the UK, but read PCGamer fairly regularly.
It's really sad that review sites just kind of generically follow the "trend". SWTOR didn't have a ton of pre release hate and had HUGE budgets behind it, so it gets 9s from virtually every website.
This game has negative attention nonstop, despite being a better game than most WoW clones (still crap though), so they give it a 6. Keep shilling.
It's really sad that review sites just kind of generically follow the "trend". SWTOR didn't have a ton of pre release hate and had HUGE budgets behind it, so it gets 9s from virtually every website.
This game has negative attention nonstop, despite being a better game than most WoW clones (still crap though), so they give it a 6. Keep shilling.
You must not have been around in the SWTOR days. There was a ton of hate on it pre-launch, constant arguments with the die hard Star Wars fans, same as with this game...and GW2...
It's really sad that review sites just kind of generically follow the "trend". SWTOR didn't have a ton of pre release hate and had HUGE budgets behind it, so it gets 9s from virtually every website.
This game has negative attention nonstop, despite being a better game than most WoW clones (still crap though), so they give it a 6. Keep shilling.
You must not have been around in the SWTOR days. There was a ton of hate on it pre-launch.
By the niche sensible folks. Not by the mainstream. Everyone not involved in MMOs thought it would be the second coming. And it had Bioware AND EA behind it, so no magazine could give it a bad review.
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No it's not the same random pulled out of thin air reviewer you just conjured up, thanks for investigating though.
No need to be defensive. It was a question.
This site had an exchange with PC Gamer re. ESO when the press NDA was lifted. So it is not conjured up.
No its not, I'd wait for a deep discount if I were you.
Get busy living, or get busy dying. That's it.
I rated the game and the result was 6,5 so i guess i am in the same boat as PC Gamer.
Mice game, nothing special...
"Torquemada... do not implore him for compassion. Torquemada... do not beg him for forgiveness. Torquemada... do not ask him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!"
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Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Which is why on this site you cant have a civil conversation. Both of you are fairly stupid in my estimate. Don't take it to heart. It is just my review of the situation. I know I'm not PC Gamer but...I stand by it.
How in the fugg is a D+ average? No wonder I despise most gamers anymore.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
No kidding, I think I am about to give up here.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Which was the point I was trying to make. Both extreme views are laughable and entertaining. Hell, some poster above sounded almost giddy about the negative review and made it sound like this one review would bring down the game. Can't really understand that mentality but whatever floats peoples boat....
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Don't really agree with this. I'd days a 7 at minimum (I know it's worth that but I'm not at end game yet so I can't say exactly what it should be) but I understand where they're coming from and where the publisher hate is originating. The thing is as an Elder scrolls game it doesn't work as so many have pointed out. It's basically a hub based quest mmo (really good quests) with a heavy focus on crafting, mass pvp, and (eventually) an interesting take on end game. Unlike most elder scrolls games you have a start, middle, and end. There's no way around it even with the skyrim skin it has this game inherently works like mmos have for the last ten years or so but with a new shiny bits of paint to disguise it. I can't help but believe that if this wasn't elder scrolls it would be getting a lot of 8s and far less crying from those heavily invested in previous games that don't really care for mmos but it is so it will skew the opinion of many. I will say this there are times when I've actually turned the music off and given my full attention to the story of this game... when it's good it's good. That's not somthing I usually do in mmos and I'm looking forward to going through the three other storylines.
Yeah, that was my feeling after the beta.
Why pay a premium price, for a mediocre game?
Maybe I'll actually buy a copy cheap or after the inevitable F2P conversion.
I was wondering the same thing. Then I saw that someone said it was a "B" at their university. O.o What? A 69 is not a very good score, imo and that of the NC Education Board.
Well said. The reviewer from PC Gamer's gripes about the game were mostly idiotic, a couple I can understand, but deducting points off an mmorpg because you hate seeing other players in the game is the most retarded thing I've ever heard and just damages their credibility. Single-player games get off easy all the time, I love Skyrim but when it came out it was a complete mess, and it was totally broken on PS3, yet it received universal acclaim. God forbid an mmorpg as massive as ESO has bugs which is inexcusable to some so they score it low. I'll be back when mmorpg puts out their review, and if they give it a good score I can't wait to see how many people say they were paid for it.
PC Gamer also gave SW:TOR a 93, and it is about as dull as anything I have ever played. I tried to enjoy it, I really did. I subbed to TOR for a year, but after that I just could not do it anymore. I really like the visual style of it and the combat system. Story was good, but the damn repetition just got to me after about 2 months. ESO is not on rails, that was my biggest complaint about TOR. No way to change direction of leveling. One way only and the quests were basically lined up like pins in an alley. At least with ESO I can go exploring different parts of the world. By the way, ok for thirty-plus hours? Hell I'm over 80 and do not see myself stopping for a long time. And here I thought it was addicting to find things in Skyrim in the over 800 hours I have in it.
If you read the review it says he played 30 hours, that's the first zone only. How these guys review games without playing them thoroughly is beyond me.
30 hours in TESO is very little time in-game. The game is massive. There are a LOT of problems with ESO at the moment, bugs everywhere, but once those bugs are ironed out, this is a very good game.
Sure, even with all the bugs fixed, latency and such, the game is still missing content that a MMO could use:
There are no sandbox features, there are no Battlegrounds, there is no pvp outside Cyrodiil, you are forced to level through PVE if you want to reach level 50 in 2014, the dungeons are too easy, class skills need a lot of tweaking, combat is clunky and unresponsive.
There are a lot of problems with ESO but once they fix the bugs, it can be a good game. If they introduce good proper MMO features in the future, then it will be a very good game.
As of right now, it has average dungeon difficulty, gorgeous graphics and environments, great story and LOTS of it, runs very smoothly even with hundreds of players on screen, great crafting system, the PVP needs to work on responsiveness but its very cool also.
The game is very worth the buy and it can only get better from now on, just need patience until they fix the many bugs that riddle it.
I'm sorry, but the situation on this forum is not remotely symmetric. You have people coming in here and actively sneering at the players who are enjoying this game. The people who are enjoying the game are not seeking out the favorite pastimes of those posters and telling them why they're idiots for enjoying them. It's the same handful of posters, and it gets really old.
And it is a particularly obnoxious trait to end frontal attacks with a dismissal of any disagreement as coming from "fanboys". You even see people writing posts "The fanboys will hate this" before there are any responses to critical posts. In this thread this was the *second* post. I see virtually nothing like this on the other side.
Then you're not looking hard enough. In fact, many of your posts on other threads are questionable as well. I've only been back to this site for less than a week searching out all tidbits on ESO since I'm not sure yet if I should buy, and already I know that you along with a handful of others are hardcore defenders of this game, quick to attack, no matter what is said or how others say it. Pot, meet kettle.
This behavior surrounds the game with as much negativity as someone spouting nothing but hate on it.
PCGamer is the top gaming magazine in the UK, at least for PC's, up there with Xbox magazine etc for consoles, they have a seperate team for the US, but afaik they are pretty much the same there too, as far as gaming magazines go, their pretty huge, and reputably, unbiased. Their review of ESO wasn't horribad by any means, its just that the game is a bit marmite.
the game is good but not great and I am a fan.
I think its cause you don't get new shills every few levels that makes it a bit drab.
but so far I like it made a lot of characters and I think its cause I like to see the new powers of each.
no chests in dungeons and every few levels a new power like WOW and a dungeon finder that makes sure the party is balanced.
then it would have got a 80% but I still think its better than anything out there.
I am going to buy wildstar hope I can only sub.one month,i know what to expect there.
and like the one person said on that mmorpg panel darksouls 2 is also a mmo.
my new great mmo hope is on EQN to make me want to play for a very long time.
That's what I thought, but held my tongue. I'm not from the UK, but read PCGamer fairly regularly.
It's really sad that review sites just kind of generically follow the "trend". SWTOR didn't have a ton of pre release hate and had HUGE budgets behind it, so it gets 9s from virtually every website.
This game has negative attention nonstop, despite being a better game than most WoW clones (still crap though), so they give it a 6. Keep shilling.
You must not have been around in the SWTOR days. There was a ton of hate on it pre-launch, constant arguments with the die hard Star Wars fans, same as with this game...and GW2...
By the niche sensible folks. Not by the mainstream. Everyone not involved in MMOs thought it would be the second coming. And it had Bioware AND EA behind it, so no magazine could give it a bad review.