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But wait!
OK, so here WOULD HAVE BEEN a good example of a post that might support a case against OP.
BUT!
Whenever I see something like "I think it's safe to say...........", whatever follows "I think it's safe to say" is made up.
So, you combat speculation numbers with speculation?
What BC should have said was "OP, this doesn't account for digital purchases." and left it at that. I think we all understand thee is a huge player base that buys direct. I do. But where did that 10-20 times more come from? Is it? Is it really 10-20? Could it be 5? What if it's 30?
I always take your approach with single player games. MMOs are a bit different - the launch experience is a collective one, so the game that you play if you wait is frequently not the same experience as the launch one. This can be good (discovering fun things together before there are guides all over the web) or bad (bugs, etc.) I think the good outweighs the bad here.
The source the OP was quoting is utterly unreliable. Zen sold many copies direct from their website (remember, you got 2 extra pre-order days with a direct purchase); does anyone believe that they leaked the numbers for that to this site? Especially if they were low? Digital sales in general are incredibly difficult to pin down. I doubt this topic in every single game where I see it because people use them to validate their opinion of the game (I hate it, therefore low sales; I love it, therefore high.) What's the point?
When you add in the OP advocating that multiple games drop subscription charges you have a clear agenda identified. But, if it matters, the discussion is fruitless regardless.
Then this should be the focus of the counter posts to the OP. Showing the unreliability of the source.
And your source for this factual information is? please share it with us.
Well this thread is not based off factual information why does anyone need to post factual information to counter information that is not factual to begin with?
While i dislike ESO i doubt anything that forbes predics is of any value whatsoever.
AAA MMOs are out of fashion? Sub games out of fashion? Not with the players. Crap games are out of fashion, not games with high budget. A high budget should enable devs to make a non crappy game tho... sadly THAT is the lacking part.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
I understand your point. And that you feel the OP is not presenting his data in an objective manor. But, did you really just suggest that the best way to deal with false data is with more false data?
No not at all, just saying if someone is going to question another posters information well you better question the OPs info also.
I mean if we are just gonna make up numbers here and use sites that don't even measure a majority of sales to extrapolate false numbers to make a game look bad because you don't want it to succeed, I figured I might as well get in on the imagination express here.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Sales estimates are just that, estimates. One methodology will be as good as another. Zenimax will never release raw numbers of purchases or subscriptions unless they exceed expectations and help the public image of the company. It seems to be common practice to put out data that really doesn’t mean much, like number of herbs picked by the player base, or quests completed, or bank slots lost.
With that lack of transparency, and I believe Zenimax is not publicly traded, you will never get a quarterly release to investors on how good, bad or otherwise an individual game in their portfolio is doing.
Why the numbers matter to community should be fairly obvious. A MMO needs people playing to work. Single player content is needed, but the experience will be lacking if I can never find people to do group content with.
So for all those poo pooing the OP, what methodology would you recommend to estimate the player base when Zenimax will never be forthcoming with the data?
Whereas any numbers that ZOS release in relation to sales will be accurate and trustworthy right?
Riiight....?
More trustworthy than the garbage sites people like to cite on here.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
A quick google search of "what digital sales does vgchartz include" shows they dont in fact include any, based on the multitude of sites/games where this question was asked.
So that would throw the OP's "sales" out of the window
Posted this in the other topic but worth putting here too.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/elder-scrolls-online-sales-figures/
The VGchartz numbers are 1 day only and more importantly they don't show any digital sales (including any digital pre-orders). They only have physical sales from stores they contacted, they update figures to be more accurate whenever actual figures are given from the companies.
Ok this is getting stupid, VGChatz is not reliable at ALL till after official sales data is released. VGChartz are ESTIMATES that they make up and typically have anywhere from a 20 to 60% miss on everything they post. There is a reason sites like neogaf have banned VGChartz from being link or even disucssed because it is not reliabe at all in any sense. They had Xbox One beating PS4 last month, but lowe and behold PS4 comes out ahead by over 60,000 for the month of March, they go back and "update" their numbers all the time when official numbers are released to look better.
Everyone needs to stop quoting or looking at VGChartz.
u again? seriously man. xfire? really? people still use that? i did 8 years ago. i played wow then. quit xfire but kept playing wow for a few more years. xfire numbers r crap.
on a different note, y r u so concerned about numbers? just play or dont but move on
This right here. Do a little research people, it's not even a fraction of the actual sales on vgchartz.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
They'd be official.....at least.
I know, you can say so were Ken Lay's and Bernie Madoff's ,But that's another issue.
Unless, of course, you think all these Super Mario Bros games sold just today also?
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=super+mario
Dang Super Mario Bros 3 sold 17 million copies today?
ps - yeah you can type stuff in the search bar to find old sales.
so i looked at ur chart just to c what ur usin. isnt wow finally being played in japan? i may b wrong but i thought it was finally allowed. this chart says 0. like i said though, i may b wrong.
Yes, let's use xfire . . . because ESO has 183 players. That makes sense.
Also Titanfall has 246 players! These sample sizes are amazing!