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Angryjoe nails it again, I always agree with his reviews even on games that I had not tried and where he recommended and I bought were exactly as he said and reviewed.
He is like a twin in my thoughts and experiences definitely the best reviewer I know and a very good gamer out there.
I thought the world went mad telling ESO was a good game, it's just too average and sometimes below average.
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Angry Joe was definitely too harsh against ESO, but he more or less nailed all of the outstanding issues.
The main issue for me, however, is one focused on by Joe as well; namely, that the game suffers from too much emphasis on soloing and quests. (The bugs hurt, of course, but I am a long time MMO gamer so that doesn't phase me.) However, the little group content that there is in the game, i.e., dungeons, does hold a lot of promise. In fact, PvE dungeons were some of the most fun I've experienced in a MMO. It infuriated me, then, that in light of the horrible state of grouping in this game, Zenimax went out of their way to nerf dungeon xp and to make it essentially so that you cannot repeat dungeons. I understand bugs and technical limitations, but this is just purely a design decision which clearly demonstrates an anti-grouping philosophy on the part of the developers. (I never thought I'd see the day where one of the principle complaints from players shifted from hating forced grouping to hating forced soloing, but that is what it has come to, and Angry Joe nailed it.) I don't understand why game after game seems to insist that what players really want is to play a single player game alongside other players. I just don't get it.
I wasn't worried about the future of ESO. But this review is coming out just when the stars are starting to fade from my eyes and I am beginning to realize that what until now has seemed like a very protracted starter area (i.e., boring solo questing) may be all there is to the game (short of the PvP).
Shut up and show some RESPECT for the greatest game reviewer of ALL TIME !
However, Angry Joe is right in all his points. But for me, I give a damn about grouping in PvE, so the game is very enjoyable.
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@Rusque
While i agree with a lot of your post, i have to say many multiplayer and grouping design choices in ESO are poorly made, if i put it mildly. ESO being an MMO makes this absolutely unacceptable. Phasing as a feature alone is a very dangerous tool when designing mmo. Quests, that all players have to complete separately is another no-no, not to mention CS in a game with a sub fee..
OTOH, if you play this like any other single player game, i can't see why it wouldn't be an enjoyable exparience, but that doesn't make it a good MMO.
There sure is a lot of potential in this game, not even denying that, but they brought it out too early. This game needs more time to be playable and that's the reason, i think, it won't be a success Zenimax would have hoped it was.
Unlike yourself, many of us are not level 50 yet, not even close. Yeah, sure, they bump you up if you go out earlier, but that just flies in the face of the traditional leveling curve first set for me in DAOC, that for "big boy" RVR, you get to 50+ and I'm patient, so I can wait to go out to Cyrodill until I'm there.
My guild mates and I will all spend most of our time in PVP once we get to 50, right now only 2 of them bother to go out while only level 30, the rest of us are busy leveling. (and are lower than that level)
I think Cyrodill will see a huge surge in popularity as most people reach end game, but sadly you'll have likely long since moved on to another game.
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Just wondering. You do have played MMORPGs in the past and understand the principles of advancement in a game?
Entry level does not imply that something has to be cheap or affordable after a short play time and to be honest, the entry level horse is not as expensive as you claim it to be. 17 k is not that much. You say that in beta you got around 9k gold after finishing the starter islands. That's a bit more than 50% of the amount needed to purchase a horse. Selling the one or the other item and resources will quickly result in another 9k a long time before finishing the first big zone. Probably 1 day of play time at max, yet you complain about the prices?
What you consider a "milking tactic" is a simple offer. You can take it or not. That's your decision. But complaining about a company offering something is as reasonable as complaining about the bakery asking for money when you desire a bagle.
That's quite hillarious.
I just did. I spent 40 minutes watching his review and provided a point by point of it. 15 pages later I still don't know your thoughts on his review.
You want me to keep my replies to discussing the review? Perhaps you missed it, but that's exactly what I would have appreciated from you as well.
Your feelings are absolutely normal when being presented with satire.
Satire is a genre of literature, and sometimes graphic and performing arts, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, ideally with the intent of shaming individuals, corporations, government or society itself, into improvement. Although satire is usually meant to be humorous, its greater purpose is often constructive social criticism, using wit as a weapon and as a tool to draw attention to both particular and wider issues in society.
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I would have to agree with his points, I would give 7/10 which is slightly above average. I still play and have fun with some builds (now grinding instead of questing /vr3) and had to wait a few days from getting 50 to vr1 since the main npc quest was bugged. Some things I also don't like are that lorebooks and achievements aren't tied to your account but separate characters
/mightsubscribeuntilwildstarloonytoons
Edit: oh yeah the maintenance times are horrible and out of control
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Comparing a gamer with the KKK has nothing to do with satire.
Absolutely nothing.
Very much this. ^^
It is amazing that you treat f2p players like garbage but happily can live with bots and gold sellers.
F2P "whiners" will be much better then them, don't worry.
Stages of a new mmo: 1) It's just beta. It still has plenty of time before release. 2) It just launched. Give it time. WoW wasn't built in a day. 3) We don't need you anyway. 4) F2P announced. 5)Huge influx of players. 6) Look how much has changed. 7) Cash shop is the only thing developed lately. 8) It has been a long journey and we thank everyone who was part of it. Shutting down in 3 months. (Courtesy of Robokapp.)
135k already
This thread has shown us a lot.
When Angry Joe made his first video review after playing the beta for the first time he gave it a horrible review and people railed against him. Then, after reviewing it after getting in the "media beta" where he was able to test further, he gave it a great review and everyone that railed against him before love him like a brother and used it as PROOF the game is great if people just play it more
Now those very same people say his opinion means nothing and are attacking him.
Who gives a shit? Play it or don't play it...some dudes review means absolutely jack squat to me and I can form my own opinion just as well(or better!) than he can...
Because F2P games do not have bots or gold sellers at all
So why are you browsing this sub-forum if not to look for reviews?
How are you going to create an opinion without playing? If not watching walkthroughs and reviews?
Except for having to deal with you that's exactly what I've been doing. I have no opinion on the actual content of his review other than it's his opinion and i experienced some of the issues that he mentioned when I played the game.
Good question, like or hate the game, OP only posted a review. Being gamers we should know how to take a review for how someone else felt about the game. Its nothing personal and not worth bashing the OP about even if he does not like the game. I was in beta and my wife and I decided not to buy the game, there attack me instead for a bit!!!! I really dont think the game is worth my money.
The big problem here is that free-2-play in MMORPGs usually comes with heavy costs that easily exceed an annual subscription fee. Personally I prefer paying a monthly fee that also comes with an interesting rebate, if you choose to subscribe for a longer duration.
If TESO went free-2-play, you obviously would see things such as ...
... bag space upgrades only for cash
... advanced mounts only for cash
... limited access to PvP
... limited access to dungeons
... further revenue generating features (check out Neverwinter Online / Age of Conan / SWTOR options)
Certain games like MOBAs work well with a free-2-play model. Triple-A MMORPGs are a different thing. Just to name three things, they require constant development meaning heavy personnel costs, infrastructure maintenance and a high-lvl customer support.
I am happy that Zenimax decided to go for the subscription model. It gives them more freedom and safety when planning on future updates and content and is the most user friendly business model.
Btw, Weight Watchers charges a lot more for a monthly subscription. ;-)
SoE turned all their games into F2P without anything on your list happening.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
I wouldn't bother him while he's on a tirade of "truth" using "facts" he discovered through long and hard experience with god knows what... that and he must be still getting high off the wrapping plastic fumes from ESO, you shan't get him to admit fault.