While some people may be willing to spend what I see as stupid amounts of money to take part in alpha, Ill wait a couple months for the beta / game to release, Ive already waited over a year for the game so Im sure Ill live
Videogames are a luxury, not a necessity. Companies don't owe us anything and with the streamlining that Trion is doing for OUR version due to player request (like Delphic stars still being gained from trade runs in the NA/EU versions unlike the 1.0 KR version) do you all think this stuff is for free? Trion does not make the changes in game for these type of things, they still have to go to XL games to get them to make changes.
Do we think that stuff is for free?
So let me ask, Trion getting changes made by XLGames to satisfy those of us who don't want everything from the recent 1.0 patch is a bad thing and they should not ask for something in return to pay the original game maker for the changes that we the players are asking for?
Not to mention the Archeum pack comes with sub time and a four day headstart in ArcheAge is a super huge deal to find good housing spots.
Did common sense get drained out of humanity without me knowing?
Bottom line is we are getting the best worldwide version of ArcheAge, by launch we will assuredly have the most popular version of the game. And because Trion did not make this game they have to pay to get the changes made.
Name one time something like this has happened in a localized mmo. And i don't mean putting panties on some pedorace.
Videogames like cars, like cable tv, like many other things are a luxury, you don't need it to live and luxury item makers don't owe you anything.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Videogames are a luxury, not a necessity. Companies don't owe us anything and with the streamlining that Trion is doing for OUR version due to player request (like Delphic stars still being gained from trade runs in the NA/EU versions unlike the 1.0 KR version) do you all think this stuff is for free? Trion does not make the changes in game for these type of things, they still have to go to XL games to get them to make changes.
Do we think that stuff is for free?
So let me ask, Trion getting changes made by XLGames to satisfy those of us who don't want everything from the recent 1.0 patch is a bad thing and they should not ask for something in return to pay the original game maker for the changes that we the players are asking for?
Not to mention the Archeum pack comes with sub time and a four day headstart in ArcheAge is a super huge deal to find good housing spots.
Did common sense get drained out of humanity without me knowing?
Bottom line is we are getting the best worldwide version of ArcheAge, by launch we will assuredly have the most popular version of the game. And because Trion did not make this game they have to pay to get the changes made.
Name one time something like this has happened in a localized mmo. And i don't mean putting panties on some pedorace.
Videogames like cars, like cable tv, like many other things are a luxury, you don't need it to live and luxury item makers don't owe you anything.
Videogames are a luxury, not a necessity. Companies don't owe us anything and with the streamlining that Trion is doing for OUR version due to player request (like Delphic stars still being gained from trade runs in the NA/EU versions unlike the 1.0 KR version) do you all think this stuff is for free? Trion does not make the changes in game for these type of things, they still have to go to XL games to get them to make changes.
Do we think that stuff is for free?
So let me ask, Trion getting changes made by XLGames to satisfy those of us who don't want everything from the recent 1.0 patch is a bad thing and they should not ask for something in return to pay the original game maker for the changes that we the players are asking for?
Not to mention the Archeum pack comes with sub time and a four day headstart in ArcheAge is a super huge deal to find good housing spots.
Did common sense get drained out of humanity without me knowing?
Bottom line is we are getting the best worldwide version of ArcheAge, by launch we will assuredly have the most popular version of the game. And because Trion did not make this game they have to pay to get the changes made.
Name one time something like this has happened in a localized mmo. And i don't mean putting panties on some pedorace.
Videogames like cars, like cable tv, like many other things are a luxury, you don't need it to live and luxury item makers don't owe you anything.
Yet another excuse.
Only an excuse from someone who can't afford it. I don't demand the Gold Cable package because I don't have the money.
Not to mention this game lets you play for free once it launches. I don't see the problem.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Those who are complaining about the $150 for "alpha access", should just watch the recorded version of their live stream, where they talked about closed beta launching in June. So, only think of $150 for the extras and don't even bother thinking about the alpha access. I am buying the $150 founder's pack, because I want every perk and can afford it. I also like how they are making it mandatory for people to have subs for owning your own property, this will keep away people who are not really committed away from owning land.
Or I could just take a few small steps to get around the weak regional blocks and play the thing for free. Oh wait, I already am for now until I get sick of the disgusting changes to basic gameplay put in for the F2P change that made it P2W.
To take such a great game and do this to it, its disgusting.
It's been out in other areas and they are adding more content all the time.
It has huge sandbox elements that wrap into PvP focus for endgame.
There is PvE and there are standard quests to get people up to speed with how many systems work.
There are some dungeons and I am sure they will add more.
There is housing, mounts, pets, gliders, multi-classing with respec abilities, boats, vehicles, mini subs, castles, farming, a huge assortment of crafting, and alot more.
The fact is that if you start the game 4 days in advance of subscribers or free to play people in this type of game it's an advantage
If you have access for months before release to figure out the best ways for yourself to get around and level in whatever interests you and become whatever you choose to be, before the game is even in full release, you will have an advantage.
If you have a glider and special items that allow you to get around early in game and get money and crafting and are able to get a plot early in the game......you will have an advantage.
Basically these advantages can't be overstated. They mean that you have a serious opportunity to become one of the best PvP guilds/ most looked for crafter for your goods/ most feared pirate/ most wealthy animal breader.....etc.
The point is, without these advantages you may be able to still carve your name in the game, but it will be easier with this early start and items that help you and the ability to understand in advance what direction you want to take in the game.
Name one time something like this has happened in a localized mmo. And i don't mean putting panties on some pedorace.
The localization changes for TERA were much, much more than just this. Do some research first.
Trion/XL are doing an ordinary localization and charging to test it.
Er no they are not, there were huge sandbox breaking changes due to 1.0 and Trion is changing that. Tera's localization is nowhere in comparision. All they did was get western players to stop crying because they slapped panties on that female child race. Its not like they overall made TERA a better game when it came to its -gameplay-. And if you are so convinced list those changes here.
Trions changes are monumental. Still getting Delphic stars from trade runs and not dailies is a huge move and will make ArcheAge NA.EU a big deal. Taking that feature out of AA KR killed the world pvp aspect of the game.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Name one time something like this has happened in a localized mmo. And i don't mean putting panties on some pedorace.
The localization changes for TERA were much, much more than just this. Do some research first.
Trion/XL are doing an ordinary localization and charging to test it.
Er no they are not, there were huge sandbox breaking changes due to 1.0 and Trion is changing that. Tera's localization is nowhere in comparision. All they did was get western players to stop crying because they slapped panties on that female child race. Its not like they overall made TERA a better game when it came to its -gameplay-. And if you are so convinced list those changes here.
Trions changes are monumental. Still getting Delphic stars from trade runs and not dailies is a huge move and will make ArcheAge NA.EU a big deal. Taking that feature out of AA KR killed the world pvp aspect of the game.
They changed leveling curve
other grind reducing changes such as currency and gear acquisition changes
added achievements
reworked quest lines
added reputation and daily quests
added controller support
Im sure there is a lot more, I thought Tera was garbage either way
Much like ArcheAge, much of that stuff was added to korean version. In fact, most of the 1.0 changes seem to be stuff XL is doing anyway. Oh, they added Delphic stars back to trade runs. Im sure that was tough work by the coders. Not saying the change wont have an impact on the game, but its unlikely a huge amount of work on either company's part.
Do you not like the game, F2P, the founders package, Trion?
You seem pretty unhappy with all of them from your posts, maybe this game is not for you.
Or he is pointing out how the 1.0 patch radically changed the game in a bad way. Something repeated by the vast majority of those that were playing the game before it.
All one needs to do is go to the biggest AA fan page on the net to see it. Archeage source, 1.0 drove away so many and the changes it made are so radical that no region is keeping all of them which is going to cause update clustereffs. Either way, its a P2W game now even with the one change Trion isn't keeping its still going to be P2W, so bad that even Japan may not be able to remove them all so will end up being shut down cause that crap don't fly in Japan.
Do you not like the game, F2P, the founders package, Trion?
You seem pretty unhappy with all of them from your posts, maybe this game is not for you.
never played the game, dont know if I like it or not
dislike f2p in general, but not to the point I wont play a f2p game
dont mind founders packages for f2p games that havent been released yet (no revenue streams) AA is released and has revenue streams. However had they just charged 30 bucks for the alpha access and ditched all the other crap it wouldnt have been too bad.
Trion had a promising start but they have gone downhill fast. I could make a list of reasons why, but remember they charged a 1 year sub bundle with Storm Legion while they were secretly working on f2p transition.
This topic is not an ArcheAge specific topic though. It is very relevant to the current state of the industry.
dont mind founders packages for f2p games that havent been released yet (no revenue streams) AA is released and has revenue streams. However had they just charged 30 bucks for the alpha access and ditched all the other crap it wouldnt have been too bad.
How do you figure that ? Trion isn't getting money from the other localizations of Archeage so how are they getting a revenue stream from this " released game" ?
This topic is not an ArcheAge specific topic though. It is very relevant to the current state of the industry.
You are right in general and wrong in particular IMO.
I personally find it weird to pay for real alpha or beta testing and will never ever do that. QA folks usually GET money and don't have to pay for bug hunting and sucking up all the bads of the developers while getting their chars constantly wiped.
In AA's case it's a bit different. The base is already stable and the "testing" is mostly about the spelling and some minor changes. I'm pretty sure your chars will not get wiped every other day.
So the 134EUR founders pack is more or less a beefed up collectors edition with very extended early access and more than one month of sub/premium play time.
Not my cup of tea, but hey whoever finds it a good deal for themselves just go for it.
Edit: And the poster above me makes the point I forgot. They bough publishing rights for an unknown amount of money and have to create their own revenues. I am pretty sure mail.ru and the asian publishers won't share.
As someone who recently purchased the $150 Founder's Pack, I wanted to show you all the quick processing which took place:
- spent the last week wondering what to play...........
- been waiting for an excuse to play Archeage for over a year
- Founder's packs announced
- did some basic math
150 - 45 (assuming sub/patron is $15 a month as other games) = $105
105 - 75 (value of the coins awarded, also remember that you can use coins to purchase more patron time) = $30
It is reasonable that anyone who was really planning on playing AA was going to subscribe at least 3 months in their AA career. Let alone for anyone playing any subscription based game would spend $15 a month to access their games. If this game were purely subscription based, you would drop $150 playing for 10 months. Let alone most games still having a basic purchase of $40-$60 regardless.
$150 seems steep, but it seemingly is asking, "hey, would you put in $30 for alpha access? An oh, btw, you get to start playing the game today and functionally have 2-3 months of experience in a game youve been wanting to play."
Now, not everyone has $150 just lying around, and that part can suck and be frustrating. But that's not on them. And if you cant financially support the industry, then dont complain about them not meeting your needs. You want content, customization, a great experience and awesome world, but scoff at the idea that they programmers/designers/artists/company doesnt need a little bit of coin in return?
I don't need to, 'support', any profit making company.
If a product is worth buying, I'll buy it, not fund an already developed game that's way overdue a western version out of pure greed.
That's what this is, only the games industry could generate such gullible people
Trion can charge whatever they like, it's up to the players whether they want to pay.
I would never lay out that kind of money on a "Founder's Pack" for a F2P game though. There's bound to be more efficient ways to spend the money once the game launches.
Every game that has had a beta/head start in their games over the last couple of years has come at a cost. Everyone offers bonus items and content. Anywhere from $60-$100. I think folks are just upset that Alpha isnt offered at $50 bucks....... It's not the fact that there is a cost, it is the fact that it's $150. Tell it like it is, and get over it. Either it is a great deal for those who want to play today, or not a deal that people care for. But as I stated in the original post, $150 isnt paying for Alpha alone, its all the other pieces as well. I will enjoy my headstart, extra gold, glider, armor set, and playing for the next 3 months before release and being a patron for 3 months afterwards.
The $150 alpha pack is targeted for impulse buyers ( suckers) like me.
I bought landmark founder pack + wildstar alpha key and shelled over $250 over it
I don't play landmark did not like it. wildstar was fun till level 14 saw what the whole housing plot issue was ,got bored and left it.
$250 down the drain in a month.
I did try ESO and found is bland for my liking so didn't fall for the preorder.
Trion is not offering alpha access on other packages only on expensive one.
In their defense it is not a rip off as they are offering 3 months subs + $70 worth of ingame credits.The question is will I like the game to even continue for 3 months or those credits even worthwhile for me to use.
I don't even remember when was the last time I reported any bug from alpha or beta. Devs and publishers know this gimmick called alpha/beta elite opportunity .I wouldn't call it fleecing just changed market started.
when landmark was launched devs explain what alpha means like 40% of the game is in.You can see that happening with Landmark how many things have been added from alpha release
This is not ture with Trion - AA is not in alpha stage the build is there , they are localizing it and adapting it for western audience that is not alpha.
already twice I resisted the temptation of shelling out $150
I'm just so glad I started my MMO life on a console and stayed on consoles for years. I am also glad consoles seem to be getting a resurgence of MMO's of late. Why you might ask ? Well because console alphas and betas don't expect us to pay to get in them ever.
I shall leave it at that , let's just hope it turns out to be a great game for you all.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing. "SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13 The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
The $150 alpha pack is targeted for impulse buyers ( suckers) like me.
I bought landmark founder pack + wildstar alpha key and shelled over $250 over it
I don't play landmark did not like it. wildstar was fun till level 14 saw what the whole housing plot issue was ,got bored and left it.
$250 down the drain in a month.
I did try ESO and found is bland for my liking so didn't fall for the preorder.
Trion is not offering alpha access on other packages only on expensive one.
In their defense it is not a rip off as they are offering 3 months subs + $70 worth of ingame credits.The question is will I like the game to even continue for 3 months or those credits even worthwhile for me to use.
I don't even remember when was the last time I reported any bug from alpha or beta. Devs and publishers know this gimmick called alpha/beta elite opportunity .I wouldn't call it fleecing just changed market started.
when landmark was launched devs explain what alpha means like 40% of the game is in.You can see that happening with Landmark how many things have been added from alpha release
This is not ture with Trion - AA is not in alpha stage the build is there , they are localizing it and adapting it for western audience that is not alpha.
already twice I resisted the temptation of shelling out $150
Wow. That is actually dead on.
People wait for a game until they hype themselves up thinking it will be their "One and Only" MMO. They see devs offer a deal to get into Alpha or Beta.
Most players convince themselves that this is their opportunity to get into the game and "Learn" it.
Lets be real here for a second. When is the last time we actually had to "Learn" an MMO? The only MMO I see that falls under that category anymore would be EVE (I don't play EVE and not a fanboy).
Convincing ourselves that we need to learn an mmo, when in realty, it is just the fact that we cannot stand waiting.
I'm just so glad I started my MMO life on a console and stayed on consoles for years. I am also glad consoles seem to be getting a resurgence of MMO's of late. Why you might ask ? Well because console alphas and betas don't expect us to pay to get in them ever.
I shall leave it at that , let's just hope it turns out to be a great game for you all.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
Really need to add a 'yet' to that, because you know it will happen eventually (and in some cases already has - 'Buy this title now and get exclusive access to the beta for game X!' )- Same thing, just sold a little differently.
As for the whole paying X amount of money for access and perks - it doesn't bother me one bit, it's all personal choice. I really don't care about AA right now, played a bit of it and it's ok, but not worth the $150 so I didn't hop on it. Others who feel it is worth the money should not have to justify why they bought it to anyone but themselves. I know if a game I was really looking forward to gave me the option I might jump on it. I would also live with the fact that it was my choice and not whine about it later if the game sucked.
Hopefully people who spent the $150 for this package understand that if the game ends up not fulfilling their every dream, we really don't want to hear you whine about having spent the money and the game is crap.
But hopefully the game does meet almost every checkbox for those jumping into it!
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
People charge for beta and alpha keys all the time. Instead of giving it away for free and random people get money this time the developers make the money. I dont see anything wrong with this model. Would I pay for it? No, but I never bought beta or alpha keys before but I know tons of people buy and sell them.
There is a market for it, its just like when Diablo was charging for items in the AH. Instead of random players farming these items and making all the money Blizzard could make some money from it and help the company expand instead of filling the pockets of random people.
Those items in the RMAH were found and listed by players. Not a good comparison.
$150 is steep. There should have been a tier with just alpha and beta access with no other bells and whistles. They threw in all the other things to make the tiers look like they have value so they can charge an arm and a leg.
I'm just so glad I started my MMO life on a console and stayed on consoles for years. I am also glad consoles seem to be getting a resurgence of MMO's of late. Why you might ask ? Well because console alphas and betas don't expect us to pay to get in them ever.
I shall leave it at that , let's just hope it turns out to be a great game for you all.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
Really need to add a 'yet' to that, because you know it will happen eventually (and in some cases already has - 'Buy this title now and get exclusive access to the beta for game X!' )- Same thing, just sold a little differently.
As for the whole paying X amount of money for access and perks - it doesn't bother me one bit, it's all personal choice. I really don't care about AA right now, played a bit of it and it's ok, but not worth the $150 so I didn't hop on it. Others who feel it is worth the money should not have to justify why they bought it to anyone but themselves. I know if a game I was really looking forward to gave me the option I might jump on it. I would also live with the fact that it was my choice and not whine about it later if the game sucked.
Hopefully people who spent the $150 for this package understand that if the game ends up not fulfilling their every dream, we really don't want to hear you whine about having spent the money and the game is crap.
But hopefully the game does meet almost every checkbox for those jumping into it!
Don't go giving them ideas , that would be terrible , I hear you about the pre-order beta access but that's okay if it stays that way. I do really think that kickstarter is partially to blame for all this , the producers / devs of big company MMO's wanted a piece of the pie and thus thought of this not new but highly priced alpha and beta access. So people think it's normal , but it isn't.
Yeah I second your comment about the people who spent $150 to get in this game early , but again I hope they do enjoy it and get their monies worth. On the other hand if it does turn out not to their liking will they ever pay to get into early access in an MMO again ? Probably *sigh*.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing. "SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13 The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
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$150?
Isn't that what you pay to see Justin Bieber these days?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Videogames are a luxury, not a necessity. Companies don't owe us anything and with the streamlining that Trion is doing for OUR version due to player request (like Delphic stars still being gained from trade runs in the NA/EU versions unlike the 1.0 KR version) do you all think this stuff is for free? Trion does not make the changes in game for these type of things, they still have to go to XL games to get them to make changes.
Do we think that stuff is for free?
So let me ask, Trion getting changes made by XLGames to satisfy those of us who don't want everything from the recent 1.0 patch is a bad thing and they should not ask for something in return to pay the original game maker for the changes that we the players are asking for?
Not to mention the Archeum pack comes with sub time and a four day headstart in ArcheAge is a super huge deal to find good housing spots.
Did common sense get drained out of humanity without me knowing?
Bottom line is we are getting the best worldwide version of ArcheAge, by launch we will assuredly have the most popular version of the game. And because Trion did not make this game they have to pay to get the changes made.
Name one time something like this has happened in a localized mmo. And i don't mean putting panties on some pedorace.
Videogames like cars, like cable tv, like many other things are a luxury, you don't need it to live and luxury item makers don't owe you anything.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Yet another excuse.
Only an excuse from someone who can't afford it. I don't demand the Gold Cable package because I don't have the money.
Not to mention this game lets you play for free once it launches. I don't see the problem.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
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Or I could just take a few small steps to get around the weak regional blocks and play the thing for free. Oh wait, I already am for now until I get sick of the disgusting changes to basic gameplay put in for the F2P change that made it P2W.
To take such a great game and do this to it, its disgusting.
The localization changes for TERA were much, much more than just this. Do some research first.
Trion/XL are doing an ordinary localization and charging to test it.
What do we know about the game so far?
It's been out in other areas and they are adding more content all the time.
It has huge sandbox elements that wrap into PvP focus for endgame.
There is PvE and there are standard quests to get people up to speed with how many systems work.
There are some dungeons and I am sure they will add more.
There is housing, mounts, pets, gliders, multi-classing with respec abilities, boats, vehicles, mini subs, castles, farming, a huge assortment of crafting, and alot more.
The fact is that if you start the game 4 days in advance of subscribers or free to play people in this type of game it's an advantage
If you have access for months before release to figure out the best ways for yourself to get around and level in whatever interests you and become whatever you choose to be, before the game is even in full release, you will have an advantage.
If you have a glider and special items that allow you to get around early in game and get money and crafting and are able to get a plot early in the game......you will have an advantage.
Basically these advantages can't be overstated. They mean that you have a serious opportunity to become one of the best PvP guilds/ most looked for crafter for your goods/ most feared pirate/ most wealthy animal breader.....etc.
The point is, without these advantages you may be able to still carve your name in the game, but it will be easier with this early start and items that help you and the ability to understand in advance what direction you want to take in the game.
Er no they are not, there were huge sandbox breaking changes due to 1.0 and Trion is changing that. Tera's localization is nowhere in comparision. All they did was get western players to stop crying because they slapped panties on that female child race. Its not like they overall made TERA a better game when it came to its -gameplay-. And if you are so convinced list those changes here.
Trions changes are monumental. Still getting Delphic stars from trade runs and not dailies is a huge move and will make ArcheAge NA.EU a big deal. Taking that feature out of AA KR killed the world pvp aspect of the game.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
They changed leveling curve
other grind reducing changes such as currency and gear acquisition changes
added achievements
reworked quest lines
added reputation and daily quests
added controller support
Im sure there is a lot more, I thought Tera was garbage either way
Much like ArcheAge, much of that stuff was added to korean version. In fact, most of the 1.0 changes seem to be stuff XL is doing anyway. Oh, they added Delphic stars back to trade runs. Im sure that was tough work by the coders. Not saying the change wont have an impact on the game, but its unlikely a huge amount of work on either company's part.
Syriinx
Do you not like the game, F2P, the founders package, Trion?
You seem pretty unhappy with all of them from your posts, maybe this game is not for you.
Or he is pointing out how the 1.0 patch radically changed the game in a bad way. Something repeated by the vast majority of those that were playing the game before it.
All one needs to do is go to the biggest AA fan page on the net to see it. Archeage source, 1.0 drove away so many and the changes it made are so radical that no region is keeping all of them which is going to cause update clustereffs. Either way, its a P2W game now even with the one change Trion isn't keeping its still going to be P2W, so bad that even Japan may not be able to remove them all so will end up being shut down cause that crap don't fly in Japan.
never played the game, dont know if I like it or not
dislike f2p in general, but not to the point I wont play a f2p game
dont mind founders packages for f2p games that havent been released yet (no revenue streams) AA is released and has revenue streams. However had they just charged 30 bucks for the alpha access and ditched all the other crap it wouldnt have been too bad.
Trion had a promising start but they have gone downhill fast. I could make a list of reasons why, but remember they charged a 1 year sub bundle with Storm Legion while they were secretly working on f2p transition.
This topic is not an ArcheAge specific topic though. It is very relevant to the current state of the industry.
How do you figure that ? Trion isn't getting money from the other localizations of Archeage so how are they getting a revenue stream from this " released game" ?
You are right in general and wrong in particular IMO.
I personally find it weird to pay for real alpha or beta testing and will never ever do that. QA folks usually GET money and don't have to pay for bug hunting and sucking up all the bads of the developers while getting their chars constantly wiped.
In AA's case it's a bit different. The base is already stable and the "testing" is mostly about the spelling and some minor changes. I'm pretty sure your chars will not get wiped every other day.
So the 134EUR founders pack is more or less a beefed up collectors edition with very extended early access and more than one month of sub/premium play time.
Not my cup of tea, but hey whoever finds it a good deal for themselves just go for it.
Edit: And the poster above me makes the point I forgot. They bough publishing rights for an unknown amount of money and have to create their own revenues. I am pretty sure mail.ru and the asian publishers won't share.
I don't need to, 'support', any profit making company.
If a product is worth buying, I'll buy it, not fund an already developed game that's way overdue a western version out of pure greed.
That's what this is, only the games industry could generate such gullible people
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
Trion can charge whatever they like, it's up to the players whether they want to pay.
I would never lay out that kind of money on a "Founder's Pack" for a F2P game though. There's bound to be more efficient ways to spend the money once the game launches.
Boy, this got pretty out of hand
Every game that has had a beta/head start in their games over the last couple of years has come at a cost. Everyone offers bonus items and content. Anywhere from $60-$100. I think folks are just upset that Alpha isnt offered at $50 bucks....... It's not the fact that there is a cost, it is the fact that it's $150. Tell it like it is, and get over it. Either it is a great deal for those who want to play today, or not a deal that people care for. But as I stated in the original post, $150 isnt paying for Alpha alone, its all the other pieces as well. I will enjoy my headstart, extra gold, glider, armor set, and playing for the next 3 months before release and being a patron for 3 months afterwards.
#winning
The $150 alpha pack is targeted for impulse buyers ( suckers) like me.
I bought landmark founder pack + wildstar alpha key and shelled over $250 over it
I don't play landmark did not like it. wildstar was fun till level 14 saw what the whole housing plot issue was ,got bored and left it.
$250 down the drain in a month.
I did try ESO and found is bland for my liking so didn't fall for the preorder.
Trion is not offering alpha access on other packages only on expensive one.
In their defense it is not a rip off as they are offering 3 months subs + $70 worth of ingame credits.The question is will I like the game to even continue for 3 months or those credits even worthwhile for me to use.
I don't even remember when was the last time I reported any bug from alpha or beta. Devs and publishers know this gimmick called alpha/beta elite opportunity .I wouldn't call it fleecing just changed market started.
when landmark was launched devs explain what alpha means like 40% of the game is in.You can see that happening with Landmark how many things have been added from alpha release
This is not ture with Trion - AA is not in alpha stage the build is there , they are localizing it and adapting it for western audience that is not alpha.
already twice I resisted the temptation of shelling out $150
I'm just so glad I started my MMO life on a console and stayed on consoles for years. I am also glad consoles seem to be getting a resurgence of MMO's of late. Why you might ask ? Well because console alphas and betas don't expect us to pay to get in them ever.
I shall leave it at that , let's just hope it turns out to be a great game for you all.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
Wow. That is actually dead on.
People wait for a game until they hype themselves up thinking it will be their "One and Only" MMO. They see devs offer a deal to get into Alpha or Beta.
Most players convince themselves that this is their opportunity to get into the game and "Learn" it.
Lets be real here for a second. When is the last time we actually had to "Learn" an MMO? The only MMO I see that falls under that category anymore would be EVE (I don't play EVE and not a fanboy).
Convincing ourselves that we need to learn an mmo, when in realty, it is just the fact that we cannot stand waiting.
Well played devs.
Really need to add a 'yet' to that, because you know it will happen eventually (and in some cases already has - 'Buy this title now and get exclusive access to the beta for game X!' )- Same thing, just sold a little differently.
As for the whole paying X amount of money for access and perks - it doesn't bother me one bit, it's all personal choice. I really don't care about AA right now, played a bit of it and it's ok, but not worth the $150 so I didn't hop on it. Others who feel it is worth the money should not have to justify why they bought it to anyone but themselves. I know if a game I was really looking forward to gave me the option I might jump on it. I would also live with the fact that it was my choice and not whine about it later if the game sucked.
Hopefully people who spent the $150 for this package understand that if the game ends up not fulfilling their every dream, we really don't want to hear you whine about having spent the money and the game is crap.
But hopefully the game does meet almost every checkbox for those jumping into it!
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Those items in the RMAH were found and listed by players. Not a good comparison.
$150 is steep. There should have been a tier with just alpha and beta access with no other bells and whistles. They threw in all the other things to make the tiers look like they have value so they can charge an arm and a leg.
Don't go giving them ideas , that would be terrible , I hear you about the pre-order beta access but that's okay if it stays that way. I do really think that kickstarter is partially to blame for all this , the producers / devs of big company MMO's wanted a piece of the pie and thus thought of this not new but highly priced alpha and beta access. So people think it's normal , but it isn't.
Yeah I second your comment about the people who spent $150 to get in this game early , but again I hope they do enjoy it and get their monies worth. On the other hand if it does turn out not to their liking will they ever pay to get into early access in an MMO again ? Probably *sigh*.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]