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[Column] Elder Scrolls Online: ESO Hate

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  • ImpsyImpsy Member UncommonPosts: 53

    Game released too early with a lot of issues. Most of which will assuredly be addressed, however, until that time, people have every right to voice their concerns for a premium-priced under-delivering title.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Vote with your wallets people! Let Zenimax and the rest of the gaming industry know that this crap isn't acceptable and get yourself a refund.

    I'll be back when the game goes F2P

  • goemoegoemoe Member UncommonPosts: 290

    A "feeding the trolls" arcticle? I did'nt like it. A wall of text which misses the point. You certainly didn't do the game a favour.

    ESO is a great game, but it is not for everyone. The time for "one game to rule them all" is long gone. ESO easily has the very best quests of any game I have seen at least the best of every MMO out there. If you don't enjoy quests, try the AvA if you like DAoC style RvR. No? Well, face it, than ESO is not made for you. The dungeons are tough, at least the veteran dungeons, you get something like raids and endlevel zones, where you should not wander on your own = a little more MMO than single player... but other than this.

    Crafting is great. If you are into it and play more than one character, you can supply yourself with every gear you need. You lack an auction house? Only, if you miss selling stuff, because you won't need to buy something, when you craft.

    There are loads of stuff to rant about for sure. No game is perfect. Maintainance times ... multiple hours twice the week is a no go in 2014, especially for a subbed game. But in the end you will watch your face when you have played for multiple hours and log off. For me it is a broad smile and I can't wait to log on again, because it feels like its own world. No clone of something, no speedcopied game like SWTOR. It feels oldfashioned in some placed, but there is hope they will even iron out that parts.

    Great game, no doubt and much better than this article.

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Someone higher up should have a word with op for baiting. Notice how the op hasnt been back in this thread, its because she has no answer to many of the so called "haters" comments.
     
     




  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 Member UncommonPosts: 1,023

    all i can say is that

    - broken quests all the time

    - unresponsive combat

    - lag lag lag

    - yesterday 8 hours maintenance and in the end they claimed for some reason they couldnt patch the server

    - today unschedules maintenance again

    - tomorrow scheduled maintenance again

     

    right now its 80% not playing due to maintenance or trying to find workaround for broken quests and 20% playing - and youre wondering where the hate is coming from?

  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839

    I agree with the OP.  What I noticed is how quickly the community on this site turns on games. Up until and shortly after launch is nothing but positive spam. Stupid amounts of it. Mile long thread after thread.  One to two weeks after launch the community seems to do a 180. All because there isn't a instant "Fix it" button.

    I stopped caring  what the consensus is of this community was when it became clear that SWTOR was not doing as bad as a lot of members on this site would have one believe. It was in the top 10 cash shop games of last year. Absolutely mind blowing. Thread after thread on this site claimed the game was dead until those numbers got posted.

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Member UncommonPosts: 2,610

    So, you say ESO is about getting players to interact with others?  Really?

     

    The megaserver technology effectively destroys server community by itself.  The guild structure does the opposite of what it intends.  It forces players to join guilds that they otherwise wouldn't normally join, just to be able to use an auction house.  Real guilds are few and far between, as most guilds are only interested in your for the service that you provide, not because you can be a vital part of their community.  Grouping is totally borked, with all it's phasing, making questing near impossible.  Your can craft anything and everything by yourself, so you don't need to go outside of your own bubble.  Almost everything is solo'able.  I mean, almost the entire core of the game is as anti-social as you can get in a MMO.  The only things that work for groups are PvP and dungeons.  That's it.  

     

    Call it what it is.  A great IP that had great potential, being run by a company that isn't sure what they want their game to be.  Bathesda really messed up by giving the IP to a rookie developer.

  • DeSadeWhirlfistDeSadeWhirlfist Member UncommonPosts: 28

    Been gaming since Atari, Nintendo, S/Nintendo, The Realm 2yr, EQ 5yr, Eve on/off 5yr, Planetside 5yr. I could go on and on, but one thing has always been true to my gaming experience. I've got lots of time and I usually grind my way through to end game. I've played beta, alpha, friends n family on numerous titles. I rarely post on forums because well to many rants/trolls/ignorance/chiefs n kitchen/kids. I've pre-purchased my share of games that have never come to pass, games that died shortly after release, games that i've beta'd and tried hard to de-bug. So nowadays its not hard to judge if i'll like a game or not based on video clips of actual game play and a lil reading on forums. If a game is gonna cost me box+sub I want perfection, if they want to release a buggy game then do it F2P AKA Beta.

     

    OP you have my vote games nowadays suck. The standards have dropped, game play has been taken over by graphics and carebears. MMO's are meant to be grouped not solo'd and content is supposed to last, by difficulty not by new patchs.

     

    I refuse to purchase ESO, when F2P comes i'll come check the game out see if its still thriving if not, on to the next. Meantime i'll jump from game to game checking out how each works and learning more of what I like and dislike.

  • RaquisRaquis Member RarePosts: 1,029

    I agree,I have never seen so mush negativity towards a game nevermind a good game I think its a hidden agenda by other developers.

    like I said I want to see the next mmo stand up against this mush scrutiny.

    FFXIV did receive critic but it is not a good game and fans stood up for the game.

    ESO is good and the trolls are talking crap.

  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 Member UncommonPosts: 1,023
    Originally posted by Raquis

    I agree,I have never seen so mush negativity towards a game nevermind a good game I think its a hidden agenda by other developers.

    like I said I want to see the next mmo stand up against this mush scrutiny.

    FFXIV did receive critic but it is not a good game and fans stood up for the game.

    ESO is good and the trolls are talking crap.

    yeah right...ffxiv didnt recieve that much criticism...except of course that they basically shut down the whole game and reworked it completly...but besides that it was really welcome with open arms...

  • UisiUisi Member Posts: 2
    Amazing ... just amazing! I'm "mesmerized".

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  • ThornrageThornrage Member UncommonPosts: 659
    Excellent article. I agree 100%.

    "I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist

  • RaquisRaquis Member RarePosts: 1,029

    the only negative thing I will say about ESO is they have so mush problems with the game every second day its off for maintenance.

    one big mistake they made was looting in dungeons and not letting people que for dungeons like in WOW so you have always a tank and a healer.

    yesterday the server was off for 6 hours now its off again,dark souls 2 must come quick.

  • MaltisseMaltisse Member UncommonPosts: 34

    This is a rather interesting topic. I cannot help but think that it has been put together to help stir the pot (maybe I am just cynical). I mean, if everyone in the room thinks you stink, but yet you do not agree, chances are good, you probably stink. 

    When will game journalists and reviewers finally utilize a no bias review process? Oh wait that would be impossible because everyone on earth is partial in one way or another. However, I do believe that on sites likes this and GI, for instance, the reviews and articles grossly point out the good and avoid the negative. sugar coating shit still makes it shit. 

    This article goes as far as calling everyone with a negative attitude towards the game the scourge of the mmo community. Personally I think the game has potential however, it was obviously rushed. There are a few good concepts in the game but they lack execution. The MMO genre is definitely finicky about there games but ESO just plain old screwed up and instead making statements quickly with good customer relations they remained silent and just pushed out updates. Some of which did not fix major issues. How much game time compensation are future subscribers receiving? I mean surely there must be some form of time compensation for the absurd bans and game halting bugs right? Wait, no there is not, unless you bitch to ZoS CS. This is exactly what I am talking about why haven't any game journalists asked questions like this? 

    Why tell everyone to support a game and  company who, so obviously, does not support its player base in terms of respect and consideration? I will not do it, I got a refund after my lvl 45 was stuck in a game halting bug for 2 weeks without repair. It doesn't really matter anyway because if I would have hit lvl cap I would have been forced into a quest tread mill for 150 hours. How is this acceptable in today's world, this is your current state of the endgame for PvE? seriously? have you ever played an MMO of any kind? has this ever been a good thing? Okay so craglorn is coming out but I have to be high lvl VR to be viable so I still have to go back and do all these opposing faction quests...WTF...Opposing faction quests? I am honestly speechless at the lack of actual journalism and objectiveness that goes on regarding AAA mmo coverage.

     

  • BMBenderBMBender Member UncommonPosts: 827

    I never considered the game to be "bad" merely Meh. But considering mmorpg feels it needs to be "defended" it must suck more than I realized. A product stands or fails on it's own merits, if for whatever reason the market responds less than optimally to the product that says more about a companies targeting criteria/execution than that "mean mean" market.

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  • MaquiameMaquiame Member UncommonPosts: 1,073

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    Point blank the game is garbage, I knew it during beta, and I know it now. Its boring, mundane and painfully average. The game screams cash grab from before day one and the Collectors Edition is probably the most cash grabby package I've ever seen in my life. Sorry guys, while I know many are trying to be positive lets face it, the game is not that good at all and is basically a half baked attempt to cash in on the IP.  Which is a damn shame really, this game could have really been something if the devs really cared, but they did not.

     

    For those that love it more power to you. For myself this is just another example of Single Player Massively Multiplayer Dungeon gaming at its best. Even if all the bugs got fixed this game still would have no soul. Fixing quests is not going to change that.

    The only thing this game did was prove that another group of developers can rob the bank of the publisher, but I guess since its an internal project the publisher glady robbed their investors in this game too.

    200 million? Spent on what? History like with TOR (but even worse imo) has repeated itself.

     

    One day it will be nice to see a 200 million dollar budget spent on gameplay design and world design and not voiceovers, that game would be truly amazing.

     

    When I look at this game and see the Collection edition I think of the old adage:

    "A fool and his money are easily separated"

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    Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!

  • MaltisseMaltisse Member UncommonPosts: 34
    Originally posted by Maquiame

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    Point blank the game is garbage, I knew it during beta, and I know it now. Its boring, mundane and painfully average. The game screams cash grab from before day one and the Collectors Edition is probably the most cash grabby package I've ever seen in my life. Sorry guys, while I know many are trying to be positive lets face it, the game is not that good at all and is basically a half baked attempt to cash in on the IP.  Which is a damn shame really, this game could have really been something if the devs really cared, but they did not.

     

    For those that love it more power to you. For myself this is just another example of Single Player Massively Multiplayer Dungeon gaming at its best. Even if all the bugs got fixed this game still would have no soul. Fixing quests is not going to change that.

    The only thing this game did was prove that another group of developers can rob the bank of the publisher, but I guess since its an internal project the publisher glady robbed their investors in this game too.

    200 million? Spent on what? History like with TOR (but even worse imo) has repeated itself.

     

    One day it will be nice to see a 200 million dollar budget spent on gameplay design and world design and not voiceovers, that game would be truly amazing.

     

    When I look at this game and see the Collection edition I think of the old adage:

    "A fool and his money are easily separated"

    I sadly agree. ESO has been a let down. I am glad for those who enjoy it but the great reviews and you but it's not to bad is insanity. The game, in its current state, is a corner cutting piece of carp. 200 million, fml, that could have gone to something good. Besides this site's crazy pants, dream world, reviews, Gameinformer, today, actually posted that ESO had a smooth launch, with wonderful comments like this the mmo industry will most certainly continue to disappoint. Common all call these companies on their b.s. so evolution can happen.

  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235

    Without 'haters' or 'fanbois' mmorpg.com would be a pale shadow of itself. Do you think it's tabloid articles (like this one) that people are here for? Even the sensationalist title of this article would be considered 'flame bait' at a more mature venue.

     

    Of course the reality is a lot less sensational. Personally I think it's OK but not worth a sub, hardly hate. Before someone says 'get a job if you cant afford it' I have plenty of disposable income. I would still recommend someone to play through, some of the quests are really quite good.

     

    Ironically I am only posting here as the servers are down for the second maintenance day in a row, presumably to fix problems with yesterdays maintenance. This is pretty poor 30 days in.

  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839
    Originally posted by Maltisse

    This is a rather interesting topic. I cannot help but think that it has been put together to help stir the pot (maybe I am just cynical). I mean, if everyone in the room thinks you stink, but yet you do not agree, chances are good, you probably stink. 

     

    Wrong. Case and point: SWTOR.  That game got slammed relentlessly as being dead by this community. Not having issues but "dead".  It was doing it's death rattle. That is until some reliable numbers got posted not to long ago placing it in the top 10 cash shops of 2013.  This community tore that game to pieces. Thread after thread after thread. It was mind numbingly stupid how repetitive those threads were. It had it's issues though the situation wasn't nearly as bad as people on this site made it out to be.

    Watch the next big launch on this site. This community does a 180 almost every single time after a game goes live. It hypes the snot out of a game and then turns on it before 30 days up. The only big launch that I can think of which had a  stupid amount of hype that this community didn't turn on recently was GW 2.

  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235

    Another brief point....I think different parts of Zenimax are probably more on the ball that others. Sadly more seem to be struggling than on top of their game. Just take a look at the forums it would be hilarious if they weren't quite so bad.

    Oh and another, combat is pretty mushy weapon swaps not happening or skills not happening, or happening a few hundred milliseconds after you press a key. For games that rely heavily on combat it should be much more 'crisp and sharp'.

    Does this make me a hater? As I said I'd certainly recommend people to give ESO a go.

  • PlageronPlageron Member Posts: 109

    Well I liked the game and felt it had a lot of potential...but they sort of dropped the ball.

    But as is being shown right now, the people speak with their feet.....a lesson that was shown with games like star wars galaxies.....so guess ESO has to learn it the hard way.

    Personally there where way too many mechanic and design issues for me...my character felt way too lame.  Heck I couldn't even stay invisible for longer then 2 seconds....and even if I could...all I would get was a 5% increase in my critical chance to hit.

     

  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235
    Originally posted by Raquis

    the only negative thing I will say about ESO is they have so mush problems with the game every second day its off for maintenance.

    one big mistake they made was looting in dungeons and not letting people que for dungeons like in WOW so you have always a tank and a healer.

    yesterday the server was off for 6 hours now its off again,dark souls 2 must come quick.

    It's out now isn't it? April 25th here in the UK and we are often a bit behind some territories. 

    The downtime is a big deal. If it was B2P you'd shrug it off but when you are paying a sub you expect the very highest availability. At least they have shifted there EU maintenance times but as they are frequent and long your going to bump into them unless you just play a few hours in the evening.

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,981

    Good and logical theory.

    Unfortunately not true - because :  Dark Souls

     

    Hard as nails, frustrating, kicking player in a balls and than kicking him again in the guts just because. Its even advertizes itself as most frustrating game you will find.

    So why are silver spoon people not bitching about it ? But instead voting it game of the year and one of best RPGs of all times ??

     

    Because of : game is good

     

    So lesson learned is simple

    Make shitty game in order to nickle and dime people <- And people will hate it.

    Make good honest game <- People will love it

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



  • svandysvandy Member UncommonPosts: 277

    There is hate because the game is exceedingly bland and doesn't live up to the IP. Simple as that. I'm not a fan of the IP, I am a fan of MMOs, and I played it based on that. The game is functionally sound and has neat ideas (mostly), but the delivery is so stale and uninteresting that I can't bother to log in.

    I mean you will go on these interesting quest lines expecting to meet some badass evil foe at the end, only to have it result in like a 2 second fight with a mob so easy that it may as well have been trash. In fact they rarely even have a unique skin, I've killed "mini bosses" before and thought they were trash mobs. The world is large and beautiful (or at least feels large for those of us that didn't buy a $20 mount), but the quests are just so god awfully boring and average. Most quests (not all, there are some notable exceptions) feel like the writers just kind of phoned it in because people don't pay attention anyway. Well, I do. And I was let down.

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  • Nemesis7884Nemesis7884 Member UncommonPosts: 1,023
    no offense but 4 maintenances of 1/2 - 1 day in a week is simply way way way past any reason
  • MaltisseMaltisse Member UncommonPosts: 34
    Originally posted by Hulluck
    Originally posted by Maltisse

    This is a rather interesting topic. I cannot help but think that it has been put together to help stir the pot (maybe I am just cynical). I mean, if everyone in the room thinks you stink, but yet you do not agree, chances are good, you probably stink. 

     

    Wrong. Case and point: SWTOR.  That game got slammed relentlessly as being dead by this community. Not having issues but "dead".  It was doing it's death rattle. That is until some reliable numbers got posted not to long ago placing it in the top 10 cash shops of 2013.  This community tore that game to pieces. Thread after thread after thread. It was mind numbingly stupid how repetitive those threads were. It had it's issues though the situation wasn't nearly as bad as people on this site made it out to be.

    Watch the next big launch on this site. This community does a 180 almost every single time after a game goes live. It hypes the snot out of a game and then turns on it before 30 days up. The only big launch that I can think of which had a  stupid amount of hype that this community didn't turn on recently was GW 2.

    Yes state of the game for Swotr today is much different than at launch. At launch SWTOR was a piece of crap. The endgame raid was bugged beyond belief. The thing that ESO and SWTOR share is community blaming and a generally non responsive nature concerning their issues and gamer concerns. Profit does not mean anything to me, what means something to me is gameplay, how good is the game well in both cases they are average at best.

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