The Trion staff is full of nasty players. Saw Amary, Scapes and other guys from Trion hunting and ganking low-level players just a few days back. Trion loves the gank and pk system. They won´t change anything. They are enjoying the fun of ruining the day of other players themselves
Originally posted by Katilla tired of seeing the term carebear just because someone wants to play a sandbox game without getting killed by some e-peen slingng ganker because they feel like questing and enjoying a game without making others miserable and being a jerk.
Exactly! Very well said, except it's not just the male gender that are idiots but female players also gank of course.
It's a shame Trion employees themselves act just as idiotic as the players in ganking people just minding their own business by questing etc
You are the prime example of a carebear CandyCaneNJ. So to OP, can these carebears ruin the game? No. The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Originally posted by An4thor You are the prime example of a carebear CandyCaneNJ. So to OP, can these carebears ruin the game? No. The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Which leads to the next question.
What happens to the wolves without sheep?
No matter what side of the fence you sit on, without a balance, the game will suffer.
As a side note, Many of those who grief and gank, aren't even that good at PVP.
It's too early to tell imo, but if I had to hazard a guess, it will release in it's current state, with PvE servers released down the road to attract a larger crowd and more money.
I'm 90% sure it will release as a full OW PvP game at first though.
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All I want to do is play my fetch quests, but now you are telling me that some ganker is going to come and kill me? This is so dumb; ArcheAge needs to remove PvP ASAP or it is going to fail.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
Honestly after watching the videos and reading the forums, I think the carebears should pass on this title and let the pvp players have it.
I love Trion and I love sandbox games but this game just sounds like a vicious gankfest full of players who love to ruin other people's good time.
I'd inform myself better though; as it's quite the opposite ingame.
Oh, I don't think it is. I think it's going to get worse with no order and a justice system based on a consensus of morons. I'll keep watching the game and try and keep an open mind but right now, what I'm reading is just leave it alone.
Originally posted by Katilla tired of seeing the term carebear just because someone wants to play a sandbox game without getting killed by some e-peen slingng ganker because they feel like questing and enjoying a game without making others miserable and being a jerk.
The average MMO forum poster is much more likely to be an e-peen ganker than the average MMO player, so keep that in mind.
I don't get any kick out of griefing other people, but the kind of "cat-and-mouse" PVP that Archeage offers has my attention.
eg, I like the idea that exploring the geography gives you a leg up in the "secret farm" minigame.
And I like that the open seas are a dangerous place, but that you can avoid superior forces with a wise plan and a fast ship.
This game's success or failure will be determined by how well it welcomes PVE players to PVP elements.
Typically it's the sociopath griefers themselves who kill off PVP games, because they have the most fragile egos and can't tolerate "exploiters" griefing them once they've griefed away all the sane people.
Originally posted by stayBlind All I want to do is play my fetch quests, but now you are telling me that some ganker is going to come and kill me? This is so dumb; ArcheAge needs to remove PvP ASAP or it is going to fail.
This is not even about your quote because I am not a PVPer and could care less about it. I'm commenting on your signature. Why are you leaving out 50% of the other half of the world population. You don't have EOIMD, do you? You know "Everyone Online Is Male Disease" where a male (sometimes even a female) goes online and inexplicably, the other 50% of the world population magically disappears in their minds.
Am I the only person who really enjoys the thought of some gankers having their game "ruined" by a bunch of carebears. I love it.
Too bad for the actual PvP'ers though, but thats just collateral damage.
It's been my experience that this is the true motivation of most carebears, to impose their will upon every MMORPG that comes along, but most especially they seem interested in ruining any MMO that contains PVP elements as more than just something on the periphery.
This is why the term 'carebear' was coined, this is why it remains applicable more than a decade later and this is why old school PVP'rs like me will never shirk from using what has been so well earned as a reference.
How else do you approach a pack of self-righteous people that are never satisfied to play the dozens of already existing games developed with them in mind, so they can play solo in worlds that were originally intended to be MASS in nature, that always assume PVP players are 'gankers' and that we are always the 'minority'?
I could really get to the nitty-gritty psychology of these people, but I'd offend so many of them I'd gain the attention of someone with a ban-hammer.
However, I had to finally create an account on here just to say at least this much.
I hope that I get to enjoy ArcheAge as it was meant to be played before it gets ruined. I hope even more that the developers decide that they are making plenty of money from their PVP oriented MMO, that when it opens in the NA they find that there are plenty of us PVP MMORPG players still around with deep pockets and the willingness to pay for more than a couple of months if the game actually is fun.
lol, why do you people think a griefing style MMO such as AA and EVE will attract a huge player base? Seriously, ganking someone with 10 friends isn't any better then those "carebearing".
Honestly after watching the videos and reading the forums, I think the carebears should pass on this title and let the pvp players have it.
I love Trion and I love sandbox games but this game just sounds like a vicious gankfest full of players who love to ruin other people's good time.
"...full of players who love to ruin other people's good time."
You really don't get the irony of your own words, I'm sure.
Originally posted by LeGrosGamer lol, why do you people think a griefing style MMO such as AA and EVE will attract a huge player base? Seriously, ganking someone with 10 friends isn't any better then those "carebearing".
And you've obviously never played in a game with full PVP guilds fighting wars against one another. 'Ganking' rarely even comes into it because there's little time to waste on it and for players like myself, it's not even attractive. I much prefer killing tried and true PKs/PVPrs. The rest aren't a challenge.
Originally posted by An4thor You are the prime example of a carebear CandyCaneNJ. So to OP, can these carebears ruin the game? No. The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Which leads to the next question.
What happens to the wolves without sheep?
No matter what side of the fence you sit on, without a balance, the game will suffer.
As a side note, Many of those who grief and gank, aren't even that good at PVP.
I kill gankers. It's quite fun and, yes, they whine even louder than non-PVPrs that might happen to get caught in the cross-fire.
Wolves kill wolves. That's called an adventure. No damn fun killing a pack of sheep and that's why most MMOs bore me to effing tears. Mindless, horrible, fetch questing. I'd rather play solo in Skyrim than 99% of the MMOs available today.
It is such a conundrum because if you have a PvE server and PvP server the PvP server will become underpopulated see Felucca for UO as reference to this but the PvP players still call the carebears the problem. They say the carebears destroy the game but the minute you give players the choice they abandon the PvP server . Why is that huh ? Methinks it is not the carebears that are the problem.
Methinks you'd like what you say to be true so you can dance through daisies, bake bread and hug bunnies all day.
You can do that in The Sims. Why do you even play MMOs? Glorified chat rooming?
It really amazes me that people thrive on playing MMORPGs when having nearly no risk of loss, failure, death or disaster. Egos are so fragile, it's like playing cards with 6 year olds.
UO was just fine until whiners got spells nerfed, changes applied that survived all through the closed beta process and even after glaring issues that were exploitable by gankers were fixed. Once UO became a safe-haven, that's when it actually lost most of its subscriber base, as they decided to migrate to EQ and a new game that also had the same PVP elements available, though it never was magic like the original Ulitma Online.
Carebears are their own problem. They never know when to just stay in a game because when players aren't the actual driving force behind an MMO, the content wears out, the game world gets boring, so like a rabid pack of locusts, carebears migrate from MMO to MMO to MMO, eating them up, shaping them to suit their needs, gorging and then moving on once again in a short time. Oooh, shiny! CHOMP. CHOMP. BORED NOW. Oooh, another shiny! RINSE and REPEAT.
Here is what i have learned playing in a ow pvp server vs. a pve server. The ow pvp server will more than likely have "dead" population as time goes on compare to the pve server, so why should i waste my time getting my player to the upper echelon in the ow pvp server when it will be dead compare to a more lively pve server? I do not know why you play mmos, but i play them so i can play with a large crowd of people. To be honest ow pvp servers cannot hold population overtime.
n because all West MMORPG games are for kids that need there hands held i will continue to play the RU Archage as its how the game should have been in the west...
Originally posted by Scypheroth n because all West MMORPG games are for kids that need there hands held i will continue to play the RU Archage as its how the game should have been in the west...
Wait... is this the same scypheroth who lost his row boat to Nui Brotherhood who was then attacked by Nui World Order?
That was an unexpected story. Thats one reason why I love AA.
has anyone in this thread actually played it? you guys are frothing so hard about carebears and griefers you have no clue what the game is actually like. I think what people are forgetting is TRION did not make this game. They are the publishers, and this game is complete already there isn't going to be some crazy re-design for special snowflakes. The game is out in 3+countries and has been for more than a year. The train has left the station on big huge design changes so can the whining.
Originally posted by An4thor You are the prime example of a carebear CandyCaneNJ. So to OP, can these carebears ruin the game? No. The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Which leads to the next question.
What happens to the wolves without sheep?
No matter what side of the fence you sit on, without a balance, the game will suffer.
As a side note, Many of those who grief and gank, aren't even that good at PVP.
I kill gankers. It's quite fun and, yes, they whine even louder than non-PVPrs that might happen to get caught in the cross-fire.
Wolves kill wolves. That's called an adventure. No damn fun killing a pack of sheep and that's why most MMOs bore me to effing tears. Mindless, horrible, fetch questing. I'd rather play solo in Skyrim than 99% of the MMOs available today.
And the "pack" grows smaller and smaller until there isn't enough population to sustain the game.
Remove carebears and the PVPer's who want easy kills. I wonder how big the population would really be at this point.
Originally posted by An4thor You are the prime example of a carebear CandyCaneNJ. So to OP, can these carebears ruin the game? No. The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Which leads to the next question.
What happens to the wolves without sheep?
No matter what side of the fence you sit on, without a balance, the game will suffer.
As a side note, Many of those who grief and gank, aren't even that good at PVP.
I kill gankers. It's quite fun and, yes, they whine even louder than non-PVPrs that might happen to get caught in the cross-fire.
Wolves kill wolves. That's called an adventure. No damn fun killing a pack of sheep and that's why most MMOs bore me to effing tears. Mindless, horrible, fetch questing. I'd rather play solo in Skyrim than 99% of the MMOs available today.
And the "pack" grows smaller and smaller until there isn't enough population to sustain the game.
Remove carebears and the PVPer's who want easy kills. I wonder how big the population would really be at this point.
It would still be big. There are TONS of peeps that love PVP, and not only to gank peeps. To put their skills to test against other PVPers etc. There are plenty PVP-only games out there that sells in mass like DayZ etc. But here PVPers FINALLY have a sandbox MMORPG that is made by a AAA-company. So even if "carebears" runs away, the game will do just fine and then some. And most peeps that love PVE will stick around in AA even if they don't like PVP as much, but it wont be a big enough issue to leave. Sure some peeps will leave. But peeps leaves games all the time for different reasons. But AA was made with PVP as one of the big selling points. No tears from carebears will change that. Just accept it and adept or move to a game that is PVP-free.
Originally posted by An4thor You are the prime example of a carebear CandyCaneNJ. So to OP, can these carebears ruin the game? No. The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Which leads to the next question.
What happens to the wolves without sheep?
No matter what side of the fence you sit on, without a balance, the game will suffer.
As a side note, Many of those who grief and gank, aren't even that good at PVP.
I kill gankers. It's quite fun and, yes, they whine even louder than non-PVPrs that might happen to get caught in the cross-fire.
Wolves kill wolves. That's called an adventure. No damn fun killing a pack of sheep and that's why most MMOs bore me to effing tears. Mindless, horrible, fetch questing. I'd rather play solo in Skyrim than 99% of the MMOs available today.
And the "pack" grows smaller and smaller until there isn't enough population to sustain the game.
Remove carebears and the PVPer's who want easy kills. I wonder how big the population would really be at this point.
It would still be big. There are TONS of peeps that love PVP, and not only to gank peeps. To put their skills to test against other PVPers etc. There are plenty PVP-only games out there that sells in mass like DayZ etc. But here PVPers FINALLY have a sandbox MMORPG that is made by a AAA-company. So even if "carebears" runs away, the game will do just fine and then some. And most peeps that love PVE will stick around in AA even if they don't like PVP as much, but it wont be a big enough issue to leave. Sure some peeps will leave. But peeps leaves games all the time for different reasons. But AA was made with PVP as one of the big selling points. No tears from carebears will change that. Just accept it and adept or move to a game that is PVP-free.
I used to think that way. That there were plenty of people who wanted challenging PVP, the gamers who wanted to work for it, who wanted to earn thier PVP rank, but I never found many. Most just wanted easy kills and to farm the weak. I suppose it could be said of the game itself and what it encourages. If the game encourages healthy PVP, then maybe. But I still have my doubts. I really think there are a lot of so called "PVPers" who really aren't. Unfortunately, I think the size of that particular population is larger than true PVPer's want to admit. Or from another perspective, the population of True PVPers is smaller then they realize.
First, the idea that the majority of westerners are "carebears" and can't handle PvP with consequences is a load of crap. GIven that one of the most popular games in the west (LoL/DOTA2) involves pure PvP and literally forces you to get stomped for like 30 minutes if you do poorly in the beginning, I really think it's hard to argue that the majority of westerners can't handle PvP. And this isn't the only example...FPS's are extremely popular...even the dreaded COD is basically just PvP. Titanfall is ONLY PvP. Westerners like PvP, maybe not all of them, but a lot of them sure do.
Second, IMO the problem that most folks have with MMORPG PvP is that the heavy-handed vertical progression that typically exists in MMORPGs more than often turns PvP into just plain old bullying. In most MMORPGs, a level 50 is so much more powerful than say a level 30, that the level 30 has absolutely no chance of beating him. What this means is that one player (the bully) can just grind his way up to max level, and then kill lower levels with no fear of reprisal. This isn't PvP, this is just bullying, and most people don't think being bullied is very fun.
Now I'm not saying that I think MMORPGs should have vertical progression completely removed. Instead, maybe it should just be toned down. A max level character should still be more powerful and have more options than a mid level, but the mid level should definitely have a real chance of beating him if he plays better.
In addition, I'm not saying that I think open world PvP should be "fair." It is fundamentally unfair by its nature...you will get jumped and die before you can do anything, you will get stomped by a zerg. This is all fine, this is just a consequence of the freedom of open world PvP...and this kind of stuff exists in more controlled PvP games like GW2 WvW anyway. It's only not fine when you allow players that have grinded longer to be literally unbeatable by other players.
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Dear players, don´t be afraid too much.
The Trion staff is full of nasty players. Saw Amary, Scapes and other guys from Trion hunting and ganking low-level players just a few days back. Trion loves the gank and pk system. They won´t change anything. They are enjoying the fun of ruining the day of other players themselves
Exactly! Very well said, except it's not just the male gender that are idiots but female players also gank of course.
It's a shame Trion employees themselves act just as idiotic as the players in ganking people just minding their own business by questing etc
The game won't change and if they will still play they will get killed like everyone else.
Which leads to the next question.
What happens to the wolves without sheep?
No matter what side of the fence you sit on, without a balance, the game will suffer.
As a side note, Many of those who grief and gank, aren't even that good at PVP.
It's too early to tell imo, but if I had to hazard a guess, it will release in it's current state, with PvE servers released down the road to attract a larger crowd and more money.
I'm 90% sure it will release as a full OW PvP game at first though.
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If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Little forum boys with their polished cyber toys: whine whine, boo-hoo, talk talk.
Honestly after watching the videos and reading the forums, I think the carebears should pass on this title and let the pvp players have it.
I love Trion and I love sandbox games but this game just sounds like a vicious gankfest full of players who love to ruin other people's good time.
No bitchers.
I'd inform myself better though; as it's quite the opposite ingame.
Oh, I don't think it is. I think it's going to get worse with no order and a justice system based on a consensus of morons. I'll keep watching the game and try and keep an open mind but right now, what I'm reading is just leave it alone.
No bitchers.
The average MMO forum poster is much more likely to be an e-peen ganker than the average MMO player, so keep that in mind.
I don't get any kick out of griefing other people, but the kind of "cat-and-mouse" PVP that Archeage offers has my attention.
eg, I like the idea that exploring the geography gives you a leg up in the "secret farm" minigame.
And I like that the open seas are a dangerous place, but that you can avoid superior forces with a wise plan and a fast ship.
This game's success or failure will be determined by how well it welcomes PVE players to PVP elements.
Typically it's the sociopath griefers themselves who kill off PVP games, because they have the most fragile egos and can't tolerate "exploiters" griefing them once they've griefed away all the sane people.
This is not even about your quote because I am not a PVPer and could care less about it. I'm commenting on your signature. Why are you leaving out 50% of the other half of the world population. You don't have EOIMD, do you? You know "Everyone Online Is Male Disease" where a male (sometimes even a female) goes online and inexplicably, the other 50% of the world population magically disappears in their minds.
It's been my experience that this is the true motivation of most carebears, to impose their will upon every MMORPG that comes along, but most especially they seem interested in ruining any MMO that contains PVP elements as more than just something on the periphery.
This is why the term 'carebear' was coined, this is why it remains applicable more than a decade later and this is why old school PVP'rs like me will never shirk from using what has been so well earned as a reference.
How else do you approach a pack of self-righteous people that are never satisfied to play the dozens of already existing games developed with them in mind, so they can play solo in worlds that were originally intended to be MASS in nature, that always assume PVP players are 'gankers' and that we are always the 'minority'?
I could really get to the nitty-gritty psychology of these people, but I'd offend so many of them I'd gain the attention of someone with a ban-hammer.
However, I had to finally create an account on here just to say at least this much.
I hope that I get to enjoy ArcheAge as it was meant to be played before it gets ruined. I hope even more that the developers decide that they are making plenty of money from their PVP oriented MMO, that when it opens in the NA they find that there are plenty of us PVP MMORPG players still around with deep pockets and the willingness to pay for more than a couple of months if the game actually is fun.
"...full of players who love to ruin other people's good time."
You really don't get the irony of your own words, I'm sure.
Originally posted by LeGrosGamer
lol, why do you people think a griefing style MMO such as AA and EVE will attract a huge player base? Seriously, ganking someone with 10 friends isn't any better then those "carebearing".
And you've obviously never played in a game with full PVP guilds fighting wars against one another. 'Ganking' rarely even comes into it because there's little time to waste on it and for players like myself, it's not even attractive. I much prefer killing tried and true PKs/PVPrs. The rest aren't a challenge.
I kill gankers. It's quite fun and, yes, they whine even louder than non-PVPrs that might happen to get caught in the cross-fire.
Wolves kill wolves. That's called an adventure. No damn fun killing a pack of sheep and that's why most MMOs bore me to effing tears. Mindless, horrible, fetch questing. I'd rather play solo in Skyrim than 99% of the MMOs available today.
Methinks you'd like what you say to be true so you can dance through daisies, bake bread and hug bunnies all day.
You can do that in The Sims. Why do you even play MMOs? Glorified chat rooming?
It really amazes me that people thrive on playing MMORPGs when having nearly no risk of loss, failure, death or disaster. Egos are so fragile, it's like playing cards with 6 year olds.
UO was just fine until whiners got spells nerfed, changes applied that survived all through the closed beta process and even after glaring issues that were exploitable by gankers were fixed. Once UO became a safe-haven, that's when it actually lost most of its subscriber base, as they decided to migrate to EQ and a new game that also had the same PVP elements available, though it never was magic like the original Ulitma Online.
Carebears are their own problem. They never know when to just stay in a game because when players aren't the actual driving force behind an MMO, the content wears out, the game world gets boring, so like a rabid pack of locusts, carebears migrate from MMO to MMO to MMO, eating them up, shaping them to suit their needs, gorging and then moving on once again in a short time. Oooh, shiny! CHOMP. CHOMP. BORED NOW. Oooh, another shiny! RINSE and REPEAT.
Yeah. Not a problem at all.
Wait... is this the same scypheroth who lost his row boat to Nui Brotherhood who was then attacked by Nui World Order?
That was an unexpected story. Thats one reason why I love AA.
And the "pack" grows smaller and smaller until there isn't enough population to sustain the game.
Remove carebears and the PVPer's who want easy kills. I wonder how big the population would really be at this point.
It would still be big. There are TONS of peeps that love PVP, and not only to gank peeps. To put their skills to test against other PVPers etc. There are plenty PVP-only games out there that sells in mass like DayZ etc. But here PVPers FINALLY have a sandbox MMORPG that is made by a AAA-company. So even if "carebears" runs away, the game will do just fine and then some. And most peeps that love PVE will stick around in AA even if they don't like PVP as much, but it wont be a big enough issue to leave. Sure some peeps will leave. But peeps leaves games all the time for different reasons. But AA was made with PVP as one of the big selling points. No tears from carebears will change that. Just accept it and adept or move to a game that is PVP-free.
I used to think that way. That there were plenty of people who wanted challenging PVP, the gamers who wanted to work for it, who wanted to earn thier PVP rank, but I never found many. Most just wanted easy kills and to farm the weak. I suppose it could be said of the game itself and what it encourages. If the game encourages healthy PVP, then maybe. But I still have my doubts. I really think there are a lot of so called "PVPers" who really aren't. Unfortunately, I think the size of that particular population is larger than true PVPer's want to admit. Or from another perspective, the population of True PVPers is smaller then they realize.
So I have a few thoughts on this topic...
First, the idea that the majority of westerners are "carebears" and can't handle PvP with consequences is a load of crap. GIven that one of the most popular games in the west (LoL/DOTA2) involves pure PvP and literally forces you to get stomped for like 30 minutes if you do poorly in the beginning, I really think it's hard to argue that the majority of westerners can't handle PvP. And this isn't the only example...FPS's are extremely popular...even the dreaded COD is basically just PvP. Titanfall is ONLY PvP. Westerners like PvP, maybe not all of them, but a lot of them sure do.
Second, IMO the problem that most folks have with MMORPG PvP is that the heavy-handed vertical progression that typically exists in MMORPGs more than often turns PvP into just plain old bullying. In most MMORPGs, a level 50 is so much more powerful than say a level 30, that the level 30 has absolutely no chance of beating him. What this means is that one player (the bully) can just grind his way up to max level, and then kill lower levels with no fear of reprisal. This isn't PvP, this is just bullying, and most people don't think being bullied is very fun.
Now I'm not saying that I think MMORPGs should have vertical progression completely removed. Instead, maybe it should just be toned down. A max level character should still be more powerful and have more options than a mid level, but the mid level should definitely have a real chance of beating him if he plays better.
In addition, I'm not saying that I think open world PvP should be "fair." It is fundamentally unfair by its nature...you will get jumped and die before you can do anything, you will get stomped by a zerg. This is all fine, this is just a consequence of the freedom of open world PvP...and this kind of stuff exists in more controlled PvP games like GW2 WvW anyway. It's only not fine when you allow players that have grinded longer to be literally unbeatable by other players.
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