I'm surprised more people didn't figure out how absolutely terrible this game was before it came out. Even before I played the beta I was pretty skeptical but once I played it for a weekend I got that trash off my hard drive quick. What a terrible stain on a good IP this game was. It won't really matter though, everyone knows this was just a sad attempt to cash grab off a popular IP with a garbage game.
Originally posted by Reham79 Maybe it was poor leadership . On a serious 130 toons not players, could only be 20 players with a bunch of alts.
ESO has the same system GW2 and Neverwinter has. Your entire account joins the guild, not a specific character. If they they make an alt, the alt logs in into the guild as well.
As for the leadership comment... well, if i join a guild with bad leaders i quit the guild, not the game. lol
Could be that they wanted to wait zenimax to fix the game,
I stopped for that very reason, the last 5 lvls in coldharbour were a nightmare plus I kept dying becouse the combat just died, skills wouldnt work and the combat felt so sluggish.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Wildstar and Wildstar will see a large drop when the next big MMO comes out. There is a large number of MMOers who only stay till the next MMO comes out.
If the game is good enough, the player will not leave. Period. Those jumpers aren't people who just love investing time into something and then jumping ship. They are all looking for something, something the market has not been able to deliver in a decade.
I normally see a 50% retention rate in new MMO's so the OP's 74% is pretty good.
The fact that you have a 500 player guild is another issue altogether and probably also contributes to players not sticking around. People like to be recognized names and not just bodies. That's just a personal opinion of mine though and probably doesn't fit well in MMO's where numbers are important.
The game encourages you to be in at least one 500 player guild as that functions as your Auction House. You can be in 5 guilds. It is not unheard of for a player to be in 4 Trading Guilds of 500 and 1 small guild for grouping with friends.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Wildstar and Wildstar will see a large drop when the next big MMO comes out. There is a large number of MMOers who only stay till the next MMO comes out.
If the game is good enough, the player will not leave. Period. Those jumpers aren't people who just love investing time into something and then jumping ship. They are all looking for something, something the market has not been able to deliver in a decade.
Yes I don't believe that one bit. There are game hopper GUILDS out there that content locust, jump around even if the game is superior. This is not 15 years ago when there were 1 or 2 MMOs. There is zero loyalty in any game and usually this starts with the guild and the hey lets go here and grind to nauseam then hop around.
VR leveling is not for everyone, but if you enjoy quests the ESO questing system is far better than anything I have seen. If you HATE the leveling and story and just want to get punted in end game to burnout then Wildstar has a fresh new game that you can burn out in then complain about it.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle Wildstar and Wildstar will see a large drop when the next big MMO comes out. There is a large number of MMOers who only stay till the next MMO comes out.
If the game is good enough, the player will not leave. Period. Those jumpers aren't people who just love investing time into something and then jumping ship. They are all looking for something, something the market has not been able to deliver in a decade.
Yes I don't believe that one bit. There are game hopper GUILDS out there that content locust, jump around even if the game is superior. This is not 15 years ago when there were 1 or 2 MMOs. There is zero loyalty in any game and usually this starts with the guild and the hey lets go here and grind to nauseam then hop around.
VR leveling is not for everyone, but if you enjoy quests the ESO questing system is far better than anything I have seen. If you HATE the leveling and story and just want to get punted in end game to burnout then Wildstar has a fresh new game that you can burn out in then complain about it.
I have difficult believing mature adults would act in such a fashion. Time is too valuable and gaming time is hard to come by. But sure, I'll concede that anyone with no responsibilities and who is easily swayed by peer pressure and marketing would purposely move from game to game 'just because' even if they were having the best time in their life they will ever have in their current game. Foolish behavior, honestly, but whatever, it's their dime.
I enjoy questing and story and do not rush to end game. I quit ESO at 34. I had stopped listening to the quests at around 15, there was nothing spectacular or fresh there, nor was the story engrossing. I mean, the story telling was nowhere near on par with Skyrim storytelling. SWToR did a much better job keeping me entwined in the story and questing (but man did that game have other problems). ESO questing felt just like WoW eventually, grab quest, ignore everything, go to indicated point on map, rinse. repeat.
I quit because ESO quickly became boring. I was bored in beta but convinced myself that they had a great idea and core and surely it would get better. It didn't, and then I head about the VR levels. After enough disappointments, you eventually learn that if a game is not grabbing you in the beginning, then it probably never will and you should just cut your losses sooner than later. And no, I have no plans to try Wildstar. I quit WoW for a reason.
EDIT: FWIW, I am a founder of CU, so I am hopeful that will be a blast and I will be playing it once it's complete. Other than that I have no real hopeful games on the horizon. Maybe EQN. I LOVED LOVED, LOVED EQ...but after trying Landmark out, I have serious doubts about EQN.
While i think there are probably many reasons for not wanting to stay in the game, its fairly certain that quite a few will perhaps have been unhappy with their 'builds' or even aesthetic of a particular toon they created, and just decided to make a new one, happens in lots of games, and lots of people are just altaholics.
Not this.
You join a guild with your account and not with your toon. so not matter what toon youre on youre still in the guild.
Personally i got to V1 and stopped , and it just came down to me not having fun anymore.
I was thinking about resubbing to ESO even though getting past no nameplates is terribly hard for me to do. I liked the world and the minimalism. The combat was a bit clunky but the beauty makes up for it some. I dunno... is it worth subbing to again? I like WoW still and playing Wildstar some but have found Wildstar a bit difficult lately for casters.
I was playing another game, and realize 1/3 of the people probably played less than a month judging from the achievement ranking. And that game is one of the more popular games on the market right now.
There will be a huge percentage people leaving after the first month. The question is if they continue to drip players after.
Eve have a turnover ratio of 90%. That dont' mean it's not successful right? The question is weather ESO will continue leaking players.
Most left due to the amount of bugs and lack of end game there is really no real end game also grouping was a pain if you wanted to group with a friend getting quests to work was a job not fun if they would fix bugs properly maybe more would have stuck around.
I have been in every mmo launch since Ulitima Online i know when an mmo is going to fail just like asheron call 2 this game will fail unless they fix the bugs without creating more every patch.
I was in 5 trading guilds with over 800 players now they have a dozen on at any time combined they also need to fix the server lag in PvP they really need different types of battle grounds where zergs don't work 1v1,2v2,4v4 arenas.
Personally I never had any intention of continuing past the first month before I even played the game. I just wanted to check it out. Could be a similar case for others.
Most likely quit the game. Really simple as that. Game has plenty of issues behind it, though in truth even GOOD games will have a large number leave after month one passes. Its just how people are, unable to establish loyalty. How poor ESO launch went didn't help too much either.
I liked the game, the combat, the questing, the pvp. It all felt fresh enough that it wasn't like doing those same things in all the other games I've grown sick of. I left because Zenimax is by far the worst first-time online developer I've ever experienced. If you can't be assed to put your EUROPEAN server center in FUCKING EUROPE, then I won't bother with subscribing to your game.
My wife and I loved the game, however we were forced to leave because of billing issues. The card we used to buy the client, pay for May's sub fee, buy merchandise from Bethesda's online store, and generally use across the web at Amazon, Blizzard, Home Depot, etc where it works just fine, was supposedly declined when trying to charge June's sub fee. It's paid off every month and rarely even use 10% of our limit, so no issues there.
We contacted the bank who said it was never even presented for payment, so therefore not declined, yet ESO Customer Service insists it's not their fault and to figure it out ourselves. ESO was the first game to get me to cancel my WoW billing, however I'm headed back Blizzard's way since at least they graciously accept my money. ESO doesn't seem to want my business. So there are two accounts that will go dormant in the merchant guild we were in. In reading the CS forums at ESO, there are a number of people having similar issues...but it's not ESO's fault.
To many studio's make generic mmo's.....thats why people dont stay -_- SWTOR / GW2 / ESO / Wildstar none of these mmo's offer that Xfactor...
Lets take a look at Asia and what they are producing:
Blade & Soul / Archeage / Black Desert
All do something special while our western mmo's just seem to copy the same old same old same old and more of the same old..... Altough GW2 did try something new, the endgame is dramaticly lackluster.
For me ESO was epic untill i reached level 50......made it to VR2 with my nightblade before rerolling a sorcerer to VR 7 and then just had enough. The game makes you suffocate once reaching VR contend.
Everything it does feels generic and half assed clunky or boring. While up to level 50 it was ok ! but then they just completely killed their own mmo. We will never see box sale numbers tough, they were not great to begin with and with such insane dropoff after 2 months they should feel ashamed.
Was in 5 guilds and 4 just bleeded to death from 150+ members to 5/15 on primetime... gigantic dropoff only matched by SWTOR / Warhammer. Another mmo to quickly forget... Zenimax failed us bigtime.
Two of the games you mentioned are the same as every other MMO you listed..... One may have sandbox elements but the questing is the same on the rails hub to hub just like every other mmo.......
I just can't see any of the three doing much here in NA considering two of the three have forced PVP and people can spout whatever they want most MMO'ers will not deal with forced PVP and you can take that to the bank... They will be very niche just like all open PVP games..........
One I can't comment on but the other two I have played and now I'm playing Wildstar what does that tell ya and this coming from someone who loves open world PVP..........
For me the issue is with the veteran questing..I like I can do the other factions story on one character the issue for me is it becomes tedious...When I got to cold harbor I was a lean mean killing machine but once you start the first VR1 zone its like someone cut my power in half.. When you are basically fighting the same mobs and doing similar things the pace slows making it a lot less enjoyable for me than the 1-49 stuff... If they kept the pacing the same as it was in cold harbor I'd continue all the zones no problem as I enjoy the story but by basically making enemies take twice as long to kill and making me feel a lot less powerful I have lost interest....:(
I think you drew a lot of conclusions with very little evidence. I myself gave up in the 1st month around level 26 when I found the 3rd zone to be just as tedious as the first 2. The game was flat out boring as hell and there's just too many other better choices for entertainment.
But I check the forums every so often to stay updated on the game's demise-- its somewhat entertaining.
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No the are most like 130 real player for when you join guilds in ESO you are basically join with you account not your char.
ESO has the same system GW2 and Neverwinter has. Your entire account joins the guild, not a specific character. If they they make an alt, the alt logs in into the guild as well.
As for the leadership comment... well, if i join a guild with bad leaders i quit the guild, not the game. lol
Could be that they wanted to wait zenimax to fix the game,
I stopped for that very reason, the last 5 lvls in coldharbour were a nightmare plus I kept dying becouse the combat just died, skills wouldnt work and the combat felt so sluggish.
on the side note, did zenimax fix the combat yet?
mmorpg.com, the 4chan of mmo forums.
im still waiting too.
If the game is good enough, the player will not leave. Period. Those jumpers aren't people who just love investing time into something and then jumping ship. They are all looking for something, something the market has not been able to deliver in a decade.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
The game encourages you to be in at least one 500 player guild as that functions as your Auction House. You can be in 5 guilds. It is not unheard of for a player to be in 4 Trading Guilds of 500 and 1 small guild for grouping with friends.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
Yes I don't believe that one bit. There are game hopper GUILDS out there that content locust, jump around even if the game is superior. This is not 15 years ago when there were 1 or 2 MMOs. There is zero loyalty in any game and usually this starts with the guild and the hey lets go here and grind to nauseam then hop around.
VR leveling is not for everyone, but if you enjoy quests the ESO questing system is far better than anything I have seen. If you HATE the leveling and story and just want to get punted in end game to burnout then Wildstar has a fresh new game that you can burn out in then complain about it.
I have difficult believing mature adults would act in such a fashion. Time is too valuable and gaming time is hard to come by. But sure, I'll concede that anyone with no responsibilities and who is easily swayed by peer pressure and marketing would purposely move from game to game 'just because' even if they were having the best time in their life they will ever have in their current game. Foolish behavior, honestly, but whatever, it's their dime.
I enjoy questing and story and do not rush to end game. I quit ESO at 34. I had stopped listening to the quests at around 15, there was nothing spectacular or fresh there, nor was the story engrossing. I mean, the story telling was nowhere near on par with Skyrim storytelling. SWToR did a much better job keeping me entwined in the story and questing (but man did that game have other problems). ESO questing felt just like WoW eventually, grab quest, ignore everything, go to indicated point on map, rinse. repeat.
I quit because ESO quickly became boring. I was bored in beta but convinced myself that they had a great idea and core and surely it would get better. It didn't, and then I head about the VR levels. After enough disappointments, you eventually learn that if a game is not grabbing you in the beginning, then it probably never will and you should just cut your losses sooner than later. And no, I have no plans to try Wildstar. I quit WoW for a reason.
EDIT: FWIW, I am a founder of CU, so I am hopeful that will be a blast and I will be playing it once it's complete. Other than that I have no real hopeful games on the horizon. Maybe EQN. I LOVED LOVED, LOVED EQ...but after trying Landmark out, I have serious doubts about EQN.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
Not this.
You join a guild with your account and not with your toon. so not matter what toon youre on youre still in the guild.
Personally i got to V1 and stopped , and it just came down to me not having fun anymore.
dint feeled like Skyrim.
dint feeled like mmorpg.
Currently TESO is not worth of sub. Rift is much better and free to play.
It's quite normal I think.
I was playing another game, and realize 1/3 of the people probably played less than a month judging from the achievement ranking. And that game is one of the more popular games on the market right now.
There will be a huge percentage people leaving after the first month. The question is if they continue to drip players after.
Eve have a turnover ratio of 90%. That dont' mean it's not successful right? The question is weather ESO will continue leaking players.
Most left due to the amount of bugs and lack of end game there is really no real end game also grouping was a pain if you wanted to group with a friend getting quests to work was a job not fun if they would fix bugs properly maybe more would have stuck around.
I have been in every mmo launch since Ulitima Online i know when an mmo is going to fail just like asheron call 2 this game will fail unless they fix the bugs without creating more every patch.
I was in 5 trading guilds with over 800 players now they have a dozen on at any time combined they also need to fix the server lag in PvP they really need different types of battle grounds where zergs don't work 1v1,2v2,4v4 arenas.
My wife and I loved the game, however we were forced to leave because of billing issues. The card we used to buy the client, pay for May's sub fee, buy merchandise from Bethesda's online store, and generally use across the web at Amazon, Blizzard, Home Depot, etc where it works just fine, was supposedly declined when trying to charge June's sub fee. It's paid off every month and rarely even use 10% of our limit, so no issues there.
We contacted the bank who said it was never even presented for payment, so therefore not declined, yet ESO Customer Service insists it's not their fault and to figure it out ourselves. ESO was the first game to get me to cancel my WoW billing, however I'm headed back Blizzard's way since at least they graciously accept my money. ESO doesn't seem to want my business. So there are two accounts that will go dormant in the merchant guild we were in. In reading the CS forums at ESO, there are a number of people having similar issues...but it's not ESO's fault.
Two of the games you mentioned are the same as every other MMO you listed..... One may have sandbox elements but the questing is the same on the rails hub to hub just like every other mmo.......
I just can't see any of the three doing much here in NA considering two of the three have forced PVP and people can spout whatever they want most MMO'ers will not deal with forced PVP and you can take that to the bank... They will be very niche just like all open PVP games..........
One I can't comment on but the other two I have played and now I'm playing Wildstar what does that tell ya and this coming from someone who loves open world PVP..........
I think you drew a lot of conclusions with very little evidence. I myself gave up in the 1st month around level 26 when I found the 3rd zone to be just as tedious as the first 2. The game was flat out boring as hell and there's just too many other better choices for entertainment.
But I check the forums every so often to stay updated on the game's demise-- its somewhat entertaining.