I used to compete with these guys back in the middle days of Rift (in a guild ID), basically the 6 months before expac and a few months afterwards. They're definitely motivated raiders, but im not surprised they're leaving wildstar.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Voodoo was one of the raid testing guilds for Carbine months before the game went live. They are not just a hardcore bunch who jumped in an MMO, raided till they got bored and then quit. Furthermore, they are not the only top tiered guild voicing concerns about the current state of the game. Check some posts made by Death and Taxes officers on WS's forums.
My raid fell apart this week. We had enough people to keep raiding, but we lost so much of our core at once we were wiping on bosses we had on farm due to the large number of fresh recruits all at once. Oh well. The game was fun, but I don't have the patience to train another group, again, and I am no fan of guild hopping which I have already done twice.
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Originally posted by Hrimnir I used to compete with these guys back in the middle days of Rift (in a guild ID), basically the 6 months before expac and a few months afterwards. They're definitely motivated raiders, but im not surprised they're leaving wildstar.
Carbine implemented an out of nowhere change to one of the bosses they had on farm, which essentialy made the boss mathamatically impossible to kill....it took carbine weeks to roll it back....thats just 1 example of many concerning the almost amature hour state of the raid encounters in Wildstar. Why would you dedicate hours a day every single day being faced with issues like that? I don't blame them one bit.
Originally posted by Hrimnir I used to compete with these guys back in the middle days of Rift (in a guild ID), basically the 6 months before expac and a few months afterwards. They're definitely motivated raiders, but im not surprised they're leaving wildstar.
Carbine implemented an out of nowhere change to one of the bosses they had on farm, which essentialy made the boss mathamatically impossible to kill....it took carbine weeks to roll it back....thats just 1 example of many concerning the almost amature hour state of the raid encounters in Wildstar. Why would you dedicate hours a day every single day being faced with issues like that? I don't blame them one bit.
Thats really sad, especially considering that end game raiding was one of the main selling points of the game, by carbine's own mouths. Knowing that i'm definitely not surprised they peaced out, hell, i AM surprised it took them that long.
I know in Rift if there was a mechanically impossible boss like that and it took 3 or 4 weeks to fix they and us would have raised holy hell. But then, the Trion of those days was a fantastic studio and was on top of things.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
you know when Voodoo quit WoW, way back when, the game went to piss. True story /end sarcasm
There are quite a few top 5 world WoW guilds that have quit progressions raiding over the years due to a number of reasons. From burning out on the game, to not being able to keep a large enough roster of players who speak their native language etc etc, but no top 5 WoW guild ever quit progression wow raiding alltogether due to broken raid encounters...
This is very telling. People keep saying they love the combat and enjoy the game then they quit.Me included I guess. I could not heal in this game the action combat not my cup of tea.
I still believe you can't mix action combat with intense hardcore raiding. It's physically exhausting. It's difficult enough trying to find 20 dedicated raiders for slower tab target MMO's. When you throw in 40-mans and action combat, you cut that player pool even lower.
You all can say whatever you want but Vodoo have been around the block for many years, always a tough guild to beat, very knowledgeable of the game and the skills needed to beat nay raid. If they quit is because something is not working properly. Vodoo is not a quitter guild or drama queen guild, they are a very dedicated group of excellent players. So stop putting them down.
"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
Apart from the reasons they gave which are quoted further up.
"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
Apart from the reasons they gave which are quoted further up.
Just don't.....some people would rather stick their fingers in their ears yelling "lalalalalalala" and just (falsly) trash the guild in question instead of owning up to the fact that the raids are a mess (even the guilds who have not yet quit are saying so, but thats beside the point). They can downplay it as being a "non-event" all they want, but losing your number 2 guild in the world due to shoddy beta state raids, thats something Carbine needs to address ASAP.
"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
Apart from the reasons they gave which are quoted further up.
Just don't.....some people would rather stick their fingers in their ears yelling "lalalalalalala" and just (falsly) trash the guild in question instead of owning up to the fact that the raids are a mess (even the guilds who have not yet quit are saying so, but thats beside the point). They can downplay it as being a "non-event" all they want, but losing your number 2 guild in the world due to shoddy beta state raids, thats something Carbine needs to address ASAP.
I had only read the first title and first couple of posts. My reply was based on the pattern of behaviour those guilds normally display. If anywhere in my 10k posts I had a history of fanboism or the behaviour you describe, let me know. Otherwise, kudos on picking a random moment to self-righteously spout baseless insulting assumptions about another poster.
Carry on, dood.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
Apart from the reasons they gave which are quoted further up.
Just don't.....some people would rather stick their fingers in their ears yelling "lalalalalalala" and just (falsly) trash the guild in question instead of owning up to the fact that the raids are a mess (even the guilds who have not yet quit are saying so, but thats beside the point). They can downplay it as being a "non-event" all they want, but losing your number 2 guild in the world due to shoddy beta state raids, thats something Carbine needs to address ASAP.
I had only read the first title and first couple of posts. My reply was based on the pattern of behaviour those guilds normally display. If anywhere in my 10k posts I had a history of fanboism or the behaviour you describe, let me know. Otherwise, kudos on picking a random moment to self-righteously spout baseless insulting assumptions about another poster.
Carry on, dood.
The irony of your post is amaizing....you are basically giving me crap for genralizing about you and not knowing your personal history, while justifying yourself with a (incorrect) generalization about Voodoo while you dont know their personal history...
On a side not....2nd place world guilds dont "generally display that pattern of behaviour" (keep in mind, they have only said that they no longer want to dedicate hours a day to help Carbine beta test their live raids).
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"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
Apart from the reasons they gave which are quoted further up.
Just don't.....some people would rather stick their fingers in their ears yelling "lalalalalalala" and just (falsly) trash the guild in question instead of owning up to the fact that the raids are a mess (even the guilds who have not yet quit are saying so, but thats beside the point). They can downplay it as being a "non-event" all they want, but losing your number 2 guild in the world due to shoddy beta state raids, thats something Carbine needs to address ASAP.
I had only read the first title and first couple of posts. My reply was based on the pattern of behaviour those guilds normally display. If anywhere in my 10k posts I had a history of fanboism or the behaviour you describe, let me know. Otherwise, kudos on picking a random moment to self-righteously spout baseless insulting assumptions about another poster.
Carry on, dood.
The irony of your post is amaizing....you are basically giving me crap for genralizing about you and not knowing your personal history, while justifying yourself with a (incorrect) generalization about Voodoo while you dont know their personal history...
On a side not....2nd place world guilds dont "generally display that pattern of behaviour" (keep in mind, they have only said that they no longer want to dedicate hours a day to help Carbine beta test their live raids).
This classic MMORPG.com forum moment has been brought to you by Wildstar.
I was asking a question in my post. You could have answered why this is different. As for the generalization about voodoo, I don't know their personal history, but from what I have seen of progression guilds in MMOs, that is a recurring pattern. Again, I had asked a question. One could answer it or throw around baseless insults. You chose the latter. Good on ya, mate! O7
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
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So another guild that is famous because quit product A? Nice, never heard of them to be honest and they definitly are not top progress guild in wow.
http://www.wowprogress.com/
Carbine implemented an out of nowhere change to one of the bosses they had on farm, which essentialy made the boss mathamatically impossible to kill....it took carbine weeks to roll it back....thats just 1 example of many concerning the almost amature hour state of the raid encounters in Wildstar. Why would you dedicate hours a day every single day being faced with issues like that? I don't blame them one bit.
They are #2 in the world in Wildstar....why are you bringing up WoW progress lmao.
Thats really sad, especially considering that end game raiding was one of the main selling points of the game, by carbine's own mouths. Knowing that i'm definitely not surprised they peaced out, hell, i AM surprised it took them that long.
I know in Rift if there was a mechanically impossible boss like that and it took 3 or 4 weeks to fix they and us would have raised holy hell. But then, the Trion of those days was a fantastic studio and was on top of things.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
My bad, dont see WIldstar tag. Neverthless never heard of them and well, seeing replies they just quit nearly every game they play.
So despite bad wow reference rest is pretty spot on :P
They didn't quit Wildstar, they quit progression raiding in Wildstar due to a plethora of issues with the raids.
Off topic:
you know when Voodoo quit WoW, way back when, the game went to piss. True story /end sarcasm
There are quite a few top 5 world WoW guilds that have quit progressions raiding over the years due to a number of reasons. From burning out on the game, to not being able to keep a large enough roster of players who speak their native language etc etc, but no top 5 WoW guild ever quit progression wow raiding alltogether due to broken raid encounters...
Please put your straw man away :P
No MMOs are hard.
I still believe you can't mix action combat with intense hardcore raiding. It's physically exhausting. It's difficult enough trying to find 20 dedicated raiders for slower tab target MMO's. When you throw in 40-mans and action combat, you cut that player pool even lower.
I played the beta and wasn't impressed, never bought it, thankfully this is one game that hype didn't make me lose money over.
It's not good when a game is focused around hardcore raiding & a well progressed guild quits because of bugs & whatever else.
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"Progression" guilds leaving a level-based MMO after a few months, especially if they gorged themselves of WOW raiding, seems a bit of a non-event, no?
They're refining group locust gameplay to a perfect science with each game they go to. The pattern for these "progression" guilds seems to be a shorter stay in each new game they play, so this is business as usual.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Apart from the reasons they gave which are quoted further up.
Just don't.....some people would rather stick their fingers in their ears yelling "lalalalalalala" and just (falsly) trash the guild in question instead of owning up to the fact that the raids are a mess (even the guilds who have not yet quit are saying so, but thats beside the point). They can downplay it as being a "non-event" all they want, but losing your number 2 guild in the world due to shoddy beta state raids, thats something Carbine needs to address ASAP.
I had only read the first title and first couple of posts. My reply was based on the pattern of behaviour those guilds normally display. If anywhere in my 10k posts I had a history of fanboism or the behaviour you describe, let me know. Otherwise, kudos on picking a random moment to self-righteously spout baseless insulting assumptions about another poster.
Carry on, dood.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Killed 3 out of 9 in the 40 man.
I can fly higher than an aeroplane.
And I have the voice of a thousand hurricanes.
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Cheers. Interesting.
Do Carbine provide a quitting questionnaire? Strike that, they didn't when I quit before the first month was up, but do they now?
The irony of your post is amaizing....you are basically giving me crap for genralizing about you and not knowing your personal history, while justifying yourself with a (incorrect) generalization about Voodoo while you dont know their personal history...
On a side not....2nd place world guilds dont "generally display that pattern of behaviour" (keep in mind, they have only said that they no longer want to dedicate hours a day to help Carbine beta test their live raids).
This classic MMORPG.com forum moment has been brought to you by Wildstar.
I was asking a question in my post. You could have answered why this is different. As for the generalization about voodoo, I don't know their personal history, but from what I have seen of progression guilds in MMOs, that is a recurring pattern. Again, I had asked a question. One could answer it or throw around baseless insults. You chose the latter. Good on ya, mate! O7
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre