Originally posted by carpatian This is a joke.I looked on rating/hype for archeage and it shows 6.60. Well i think the game just released and is not yet the time to discuss this but... rly? This game is a jewel . For me i will not trust mmorpg rating system from now on.Full of bs
Its far from a gem. I am gonna give it a 6 to. I tried to give it another go, after i couldent stand the art style. After 2 hours of kill 5 ect.... Then kill this one guy that 30 people are trying to hit, and if you dont get invited, or dont hit first you dont get credit..................... Yeah, not to mention the labor system is retarded. Seriously I have to spend labor points to open a coin purse lol.... I dont mind a 15 dollar fee, but that doesnt even give you anything. Its like f2p is a no class citizen patron 15 a month people, are like people on welfare, and the 15 dollar a month people, who spend 1000 a month are going to beat you at everything..... Yeah I am glad i didnt pay them any money, atleast they let you try it before you give them any money.
Each to their own though. I am def going back to ESO, where atleast the kill 5 ect has a nicely wrote back story, that is voiced, and if i dont hit my button fast enough, to hit the mob first i still get to move on with the quest, not sit there for 15 mins waiting.....
Originally posted by Tyggs A game doesn't bomb in 2 global regions if it's a good game...
Almost any western MMO would "bomb" in other countries. That doesn't mean anything.
Almost any? i like how you play with words.
WOW didn't neither did GW2 (i am sure there are more examples). You can not blame people for being cautious though. Two flops is more than enough for players to make a good judgement about a product.
Moreover, i do not believe that Asian and western players are such polar opposite from one another that they can not even agree on what game is bad and good.
Almost any western MMO would "bomb" in other countries. That doesn't mean anything.
It means that people did not like that game, if that isn't obvious to you.
People did not like ArcheAge in Korea nor Russia and given how poorly asian games are recieved in west and how generic the game is, there is no reason to think the game will do well in west.
Originally posted by carpatian This is a joke.I looked on rating/hype for archeage and it shows 6.60. Well i think the game just released and is not yet the time to discuss this but... rly? This game is a jewel . For me i will not trust mmorpg rating system from now on.Full of bs
For me personally it's fake jewel then. For those who enjoy it I wish them well. Though I didn't care for it myself.
Originally posted by carpatian This is a joke.I looked on rating/hype for archeage and it shows 6.60. Well i think the game just released and is not yet the time to discuss this but... rly? This game is a jewel . For me i will not trust mmorpg rating system from now on.Full of bs
Its a gem alright, those founders spent a lot to queue up nicely for, hours, and hours, and hours and......................
With queues like that I guess that means lots of people like the game.
And the rating system here is a joke, I wouldn't pay attention to it.
You are correct over one million signed up for closed beta alone. I was not one of them but I was in each phase anyways because I am a legacy tester been testing for Trion since day one of closed beta for Rift. I have tested every game they made including End of Nations.
Originally posted by carpatian This is a joke.I looked on rating/hype for archeage and it shows 6.60. Well i think the game just released and is not yet the time to discuss this but... rly? This game is a jewel . For me i will not trust mmorpg rating system from now on.Full of bs
Ask Koreans and Russians they will tell you what a jewel it is.
I think a score of 6 is too generous for this game.
The only thing wrong with this game is there are obvious winners and losers .....unlike the past 12 years of regular themepark junk where 40 people play Simon Say's in a bunch of gated dungeons , and if you can't even play Simon Say's right 6 months down the road the contentment will be given to you anyways . In AA the game spirals straight up and those that fall of are dropped behind forever, sorry I do understand why the PVE seagulls fear a game like this but in reality they have games like Wildstar , WoW and donkey kong to play .
To me the rating of 6.6 (6.83 as of this post) sounds about right.
The questing is just like any other MMO ( I know you don't have to do them but they are there).
The graphics are of a game that is years old (and AA is older as it launched in Korea first).
The LP system also hurts this game big time. Still can't believe they make you spend LP just to open quest rewards. That is a major turn off.
Also the fact that the game opens up at later levels. That is good but the game could be so much more then it is.
So if you like this game then good for you.
Also, if you are upset that the game isn't scoring higher on the rating meter this forum has then perhaps you should just ignore the ratings. A lot of people do. I do, I may glance at them but my decision on whether to try a game or not does not rely on the ratings.
So ignore them, get back in game and have fun playing a game you like.
Originally posted by carpatian This is a joke.I looked on rating/hype for archeage and it shows 6.60. Well i think the game just released and is not yet the time to discuss this but... rly? This game is a jewel . For me i will not trust mmorpg rating system from now on.Full of bs
Ask Koreans and Russians they will tell you what a jewel it is.
I think a score of 6 is too generous for this game.
The only thing wrong with this game is there are obvious winners and losers .....unlike the past 12 years of regular themepark junk where 40 people play Simon Say's in a bunch of gated dungeons , and if you can't even play Simon Say's right 6 months down the road the contentment will be given to you anyways . In AA the game spirals straight up and those that fall of are dropped behind forever, sorry I do understand why the PVE seagulls fear a game like this but in reality they have games like Wildstar , WoW and donkey kong to play .
Alas, even if you are right (which you may or may not be, albeit perhaps with some of the vernacular thrown out), Archeage is a good lesson in why MMOs that let people fall off and get dropped behind forever are doomed to business failure. The whole "people getting dropped behind forever" is the major reason it's failing in other countries, because it's a gear-based game and as stronger guilds get the gear and whatever else, it becomes harder and harder for anyone else to catch up in an open world pvp competitive environment (Hence "Dropped behind forever"), which leads to them quitting and no new players coming (since those are already in the "behind forever" zone without needing to be dropped in the first place). Which, for a game that mostly relies on sub revenues with only a little bit of whaling revenue on the side, is not a good thing for the financial prospects of the game.
(As opposed to F2P MMOs that PURPOSEFULLY go whale-hunting to the extreme on such matters. Those MMOs are doomed to die soon too but at least they make a ton of money before that happens (for real. R2Games explicitly stated that was the business intent for those types of games). Archeage only seems to be doing minor whaling instead of major whaling)
Originally posted by carpatian This is a joke.I looked on rating/hype for archeage and it shows 6.60. Well i think the game just released and is not yet the time to discuss this but... rly? This game is a jewel . For me i will not trust mmorpg rating system from now on.Full of bs
Ask Koreans and Russians they will tell you what a jewel it is.
I think a score of 6 is too generous for this game.
The only thing wrong with this game is there are obvious winners and losers .....unlike the past 12 years of regular themepark junk where 40 people play Simon Say's in a bunch of gated dungeons , and if you can't even play Simon Say's right 6 months down the road the contentment will be given to you anyways . In AA the game spirals straight up and those that fall of are dropped behind forever, sorry I do understand why the PVE seagulls fear a game like this but in reality they have games like Wildstar , WoW and donkey kong to play .
By winners you mean the people who paid the most.... As far as the ingame thing, I dont even know what your talking about lol. The pvp in the game doesnt even have any risks to it. This game is a themepark lol, a really bad designed one.
This game is out for almost 2 years yet there's so much to do for XLGames. Im Lv50 so I've experienced almost every part of this game. I'll make it short.
Battle Pet: One of the dumbest AI ever. Only uses it's heal when the battle starts. really? Does not save auto-use settings. Its like this Mount up > ride to enemies > dismount > summon battle pet > activate auto-use on every skill > fight mob > unsummon battle pet > mount up > ride to enemies ......... u will love it.
Dungeons: Can't be more "Tank & Spank". I dont expect hardcore dungeons as they are in WildStar. I know Arche Age is not made for PvE but still they could be more challangeing.
Technical Stuff: As mentioned above, this game is ~2 years old and they haven't fixed the dx11 grafics bugs for Geforce cards. I myself use an AMD grafics card without problems but sad to hear it's not optimized for all people. plain and simple. (btw i quit WildStar because of it's non existent optimization for AMD) Crash to desktop without an error is funny too Up to 5 hour Queue. BADASS!
Quests: As dumb as in every other MMO too. Grindy and repetitive. In a group u have to loot stuff twice. Pretty annoying. No monster sharing. Whoever does the first hit gets everything. Such a disappointment. Maybe because I have been spoilt by Guild Wars 2.
Housing: Nothing new.
Crafting: As boring as in every other MMO. Also super grindy on this game. Prepare to craft food 16000 times to get to the next tier.
Arena: Almost as shitty as in Final Fantasy: A Ream Reborn. There is just 1 small Arena. 5v5. Could be fun if XLGames removes the extra skillbar with fucking overpowered skills like the 100% heal. I expected more in a PvP oriented game!
Open-World PvP: Ya, it's fun. Trade run and mass pvp. Keep in mind, this is no 1v1 game because there are RichyRich guys with ~6 Buffs(food, potion, whatever) running aka GODMODE! As an example: i recently fought a mage as archer and hit him for 1 dmg with endless arrows while he almost 1 hitted me with meteor strike. That's what u get if u fight Pay2Win peeps.
Trials: That's how i handle it: Accept jury duty > give verdict > max sentence > back to interesting stuff I think it's fun for RP peeps.
So what about the Sandbox part? There is NONE except illegal farms(can be placed everywhere in the game). Everything else is restricted to a specific location or path like questing.
So in conclusion: not even worth the 6.6 rating if u ask me. Looking for the next game already.
Thatg is not fair,you do realize that ALL of the negativity towards Archeage has not been about the game but rather the handling of it's pay system and the Que's which are all Trion's doing.Trion did not make the game,XL games did and without me rating it overall,i can truly say it is every bit as good as any other Themepark type game.
Also would que's not represent the game is VERY popular,so much so that people are waiting in line to play it?
The pay system is the basis for how the game is currently being designed. This is how microtransaction games are built. Why would you look at it as an unrelated issue when it is the core of the game?
I'll have to ask one of very numerous players on both of the servers I play on why AA is "bombing"?....I won't bother with the many waiting in the remaining supposed queues that are apparently still a problem .I guess the queuers are unaware that the game will likely close up shop just after they spawn-in.
(About the queues..Honestly..Founder here..not sure if there are still queues or not since I get in fine now).
Now... will populations dwindle? I'm sure they will. Perhaps even to nothing. Like most MMOs.
Unfortunately when Trion starts laying off employees here and there from the Archeage team..as happens after just about every launch for every MMO....well...
Let's just say I can already hear the "I told you so"s.
I'll have to ask one of very numerous players on both of the servers I play on why AA is "bombing"?....I won't bother with the many waiting in the remaining supposed queues that are apparently still a problem .I guess the queuers are unaware that the game will likely close up shop just after they spawn-in.
Assuming you're being sarcastic,
The queues could also possibly be a result of there being too few servers at launch. In fact, considering the large region this version of Archeage covers and the fact that the amount of servers were like, half or less than what the other regions opened up with, I'd say that possibility is actually very VERY high...
Even post-honeymoon Wildstar LOOKS kinda active and successful if you're playing on one of the two servers that everyone transferred to... (although admittingly in this case, the fact that it only kinda looks active and successful is especially bad, but you get my point, I hope)
The only perfectly working part to AA is the boats and water...everything else seemed to get maybe 10% of the dev love that that portion of the game did. Id rate the game a high 5, low 6 out of 10
If you rate ArcheAge a 6 out of 10, then you cannot possibly rate Guild Wars 2, Elder Scrolls Online, WildStar or FFXIV Reborn anything higher than a 1 out of 10. This game blows them all away in terms of game play. As far as queues and availability to play the game, it's on par with all of the others during their release period.
Here are the things that exist in ArcheAge that doesn't exist in the others:
1. Naval combat - none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this.
2. Non-instanced based housing and farms - same, none of the others have this.
3. Number of classes available to play, 120 for ArcheAge. The others have less than 10.
4. Ability to switch out classes and gear while out of combat. ESO has gear switching and FFXIV Reborn has class switching. None of them have both except for ArcheAge.
5. Trial system - none of the other top MMOS released in the last few years has this.
6. Pirate faction in addition to the beginning two factions. Again, none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this.
7. Gilders for flight - none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this. Guild Wars 2 doesn't even have mounts at all.
8. ArcheAge is a beautifully developed world. You could argue graphics in the other top MMOs but there is no denying the game is beautiful.
Before you rate this game, compare to the other MMOs released in the last few years what is available in terms of game play versus the other MMOs released lately. If you believe "action combat" really matters in an MMO, you are sadly mistaken. The majority of MMO players could care less about "action combat" versus having a huge number of new things to do that will keep them enjoying the game for many years.
If you rate ArcheAge a 6 out of 10, then you cannot possibly rate Guild Wars 2, Elder Scrolls Online, WildStar or FFXIV Reborn anything higher than a 1 out of 10. This game blows them all away in terms of game play. As far as queues and availability to play the game, it's on par with all of the others during their release period.
Here are the things that exist in ArcheAge that doesn't exist in the others:
1. Naval combat - none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this.
2. Non-instanced based housing and farms - same, none of the others have this.
3. Number of classes available to play, 120 for ArcheAge. The others have less than 10.
4. Ability to switch out classes and gear while out of combat. ESO has gear switching and FFXIV Reborn has class switching. None of them have both except for ArcheAge.
5. Trial system - none of the other top MMOS released in the last few years has this.
6. Pirate faction in addition to the beginning two factions. Again, none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this.
7. Gilders for flight - none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this. Guild Wars 2 doesn't even have mounts at all.
8. ArcheAge is a beautifully developed world. You could argue graphics in the other top MMOs but there is no denying the game is beautiful.
1. There is almost no naval combat because peeps just unsummon their boats. i've experienced this often.
2. Enjoy seeking land. or buy off the "lucky" ones with 20+ plots
3. this made me laugh the most. do u really think all the 120 classes are viable? eyewash. there are just a few good and reasonable classes. everybody here should know the outcome of a class like "Healer + Tank + Mage" without playing it. YES, its totally crap and unplayable.
4. Rift had it.
5. you wont see many of them. lets say 2 or 3 in 8-12 hours gaming. there is a queue too.
6. I'll let you this.
7. play aion
8. this is so subjective. i've found stunning places in guild wars 2, aion, rift, tera,.....the heck even in WoW: Mist of Pandaria although its very old.
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Its far from a gem. I am gonna give it a 6 to. I tried to give it another go, after i couldent stand the art style. After 2 hours of kill 5 ect.... Then kill this one guy that 30 people are trying to hit, and if you dont get invited, or dont hit first you dont get credit..................... Yeah, not to mention the labor system is retarded. Seriously I have to spend labor points to open a coin purse lol.... I dont mind a 15 dollar fee, but that doesnt even give you anything. Its like f2p is a no class citizen patron 15 a month people, are like people on welfare, and the 15 dollar a month people, who spend 1000 a month are going to beat you at everything..... Yeah I am glad i didnt pay them any money, atleast they let you try it before you give them any money.
Each to their own though. I am def going back to ESO, where atleast the kill 5 ect has a nicely wrote back story, that is voiced, and if i dont hit my button fast enough, to hit the mob first i still get to move on with the quest, not sit there for 15 mins waiting.....
Almost any western MMO would "bomb" in other countries. That doesn't mean anything.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Almost any? i like how you play with words.
WOW didn't neither did GW2 (i am sure there are more examples). You can not blame people for being cautious though. Two flops is more than enough for players to make a good judgement about a product.
Moreover, i do not believe that Asian and western players are such polar opposite from one another that they can not even agree on what game is bad and good.
It means that people did not like that game, if that isn't obvious to you.
People did not like ArcheAge in Korea nor Russia and given how poorly asian games are recieved in west and how generic the game is, there is no reason to think the game will do well in west.
Btw, i keep see people claim that AA fail in other regions, so must be Korean, Russion and Japan, right? I belieave in China is still CB.
Is there any oficial info about it? Like actual population numbers, oficial balance quarters from XLGames, something that show that?
Its a honest question, i really dont know.
Edit: correct OB to CB.
For me personally it's fake jewel then. For those who enjoy it I wish them well. Though I didn't care for it myself.
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Why you "would have given"? Why you didnt?
You are correct over one million signed up for closed beta alone. I was not one of them but I was in each phase anyways because I am a legacy tester been testing for Trion since day one of closed beta for Rift. I have tested every game they made including End of Nations.
The only thing wrong with this game is there are obvious winners and losers .....unlike the past 12 years of regular themepark junk where 40 people play Simon Say's in a bunch of gated dungeons , and if you can't even play Simon Say's right 6 months down the road the contentment will be given to you anyways . In AA the game spirals straight up and those that fall of are dropped behind forever, sorry I do understand why the PVE seagulls fear a game like this but in reality they have games like Wildstar , WoW and donkey kong to play .
To me the rating of 6.6 (6.83 as of this post) sounds about right.
The questing is just like any other MMO ( I know you don't have to do them but they are there).
The graphics are of a game that is years old (and AA is older as it launched in Korea first).
The LP system also hurts this game big time. Still can't believe they make you spend LP just to open quest rewards. That is a major turn off.
Also the fact that the game opens up at later levels. That is good but the game could be so much more then it is.
So if you like this game then good for you.
Also, if you are upset that the game isn't scoring higher on the rating meter this forum has then perhaps you should just ignore the ratings. A lot of people do. I do, I may glance at them but my decision on whether to try a game or not does not rely on the ratings.
So ignore them, get back in game and have fun playing a game you like.
No LP system will hurt the game even more. Opinions
No more in-game since OBT.
Alas, even if you are right (which you may or may not be, albeit perhaps with some of the vernacular thrown out), Archeage is a good lesson in why MMOs that let people fall off and get dropped behind forever are doomed to business failure. The whole "people getting dropped behind forever" is the major reason it's failing in other countries, because it's a gear-based game and as stronger guilds get the gear and whatever else, it becomes harder and harder for anyone else to catch up in an open world pvp competitive environment (Hence "Dropped behind forever"), which leads to them quitting and no new players coming (since those are already in the "behind forever" zone without needing to be dropped in the first place). Which, for a game that mostly relies on sub revenues with only a little bit of whaling revenue on the side, is not a good thing for the financial prospects of the game.
(As opposed to F2P MMOs that PURPOSEFULLY go whale-hunting to the extreme on such matters. Those MMOs are doomed to die soon too but at least they make a ton of money before that happens (for real. R2Games explicitly stated that was the business intent for those types of games). Archeage only seems to be doing minor whaling instead of major whaling)
By winners you mean the people who paid the most.... As far as the ingame thing, I dont even know what your talking about lol. The pvp in the game doesnt even have any risks to it. This game is a themepark lol, a really bad designed one.
Battle Pet:
One of the dumbest AI ever. Only uses it's heal when the battle starts. really?
Does not save auto-use settings. Its like this Mount up > ride to enemies > dismount > summon battle pet > activate auto-use on every skill > fight mob > unsummon battle pet > mount up > ride to enemies ......... u will love it.
Dungeons:
Can't be more "Tank & Spank". I dont expect hardcore dungeons as they are in WildStar. I know Arche Age is not made for PvE but still they could be more challangeing.
Technical Stuff:
As mentioned above, this game is ~2 years old and they haven't fixed the dx11 grafics bugs for Geforce cards. I myself use an AMD grafics card without problems but sad to hear it's not optimized for all people. plain and simple. (btw i quit WildStar because of it's non existent optimization for AMD)
Crash to desktop without an error is funny too
Up to 5 hour Queue. BADASS!
Quests:
As dumb as in every other MMO too. Grindy and repetitive.
In a group u have to loot stuff twice. Pretty annoying.
No monster sharing. Whoever does the first hit gets everything. Such a disappointment. Maybe because I have been spoilt by Guild Wars 2.
Housing:
Nothing new.
Crafting:
As boring as in every other MMO. Also super grindy on this game. Prepare to craft food 16000 times to get to the next tier.
Arena:
Almost as shitty as in Final Fantasy: A Ream Reborn. There is just 1 small Arena. 5v5. Could be fun if XLGames removes the extra skillbar with fucking overpowered skills like the 100% heal. I expected more in a PvP oriented game!
Open-World PvP:
Ya, it's fun. Trade run and mass pvp. Keep in mind, this is no 1v1 game because there are RichyRich guys with ~6 Buffs(food, potion, whatever) running aka GODMODE! As an example: i recently fought a mage as archer and hit him for 1 dmg with endless arrows while he almost 1 hitted me with meteor strike. That's what u get if u fight Pay2Win peeps.
Trials:
That's how i handle it: Accept jury duty > give verdict > max sentence > back to interesting stuff
I think it's fun for RP peeps.
So what about the Sandbox part? There is NONE except illegal farms(can be placed everywhere in the game). Everything else is restricted to a specific location or path like questing.
So in conclusion: not even worth the 6.6 rating if u ask me. Looking for the next game already.
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The pay system is the basis for how the game is currently being designed. This is how microtransaction games are built. Why would you look at it as an unrelated issue when it is the core of the game?
I'll have to ask one of very numerous players on both of the servers I play on why AA is "bombing"?....I won't bother with the many waiting in the remaining supposed queues that are apparently still a problem .I guess the queuers are unaware that the game will likely close up shop just after they spawn-in.
(About the queues..Honestly..Founder here..not sure if there are still queues or not since I get in fine now).
Now... will populations dwindle? I'm sure they will. Perhaps even to nothing. Like most MMOs.
Unfortunately when Trion starts laying off employees here and there from the Archeage team..as happens after just about every launch for every MMO....well...
Let's just say I can already hear the "I told you so"s.
Assuming you're being sarcastic,
The queues could also possibly be a result of there being too few servers at launch. In fact, considering the large region this version of Archeage covers and the fact that the amount of servers were like, half or less than what the other regions opened up with, I'd say that possibility is actually very VERY high...
Even post-honeymoon Wildstar LOOKS kinda active and successful if you're playing on one of the two servers that everyone transferred to... (although admittingly in this case, the fact that it only kinda looks active and successful is especially bad, but you get my point, I hope)
If you rate ArcheAge a 6 out of 10, then you cannot possibly rate Guild Wars 2, Elder Scrolls Online, WildStar or FFXIV Reborn anything higher than a 1 out of 10. This game blows them all away in terms of game play. As far as queues and availability to play the game, it's on par with all of the others during their release period.
Here are the things that exist in ArcheAge that doesn't exist in the others:
1. Naval combat - none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this.
2. Non-instanced based housing and farms - same, none of the others have this.
3. Number of classes available to play, 120 for ArcheAge. The others have less than 10.
4. Ability to switch out classes and gear while out of combat. ESO has gear switching and FFXIV Reborn has class switching. None of them have both except for ArcheAge.
5. Trial system - none of the other top MMOS released in the last few years has this.
6. Pirate faction in addition to the beginning two factions. Again, none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this.
7. Gilders for flight - none of the other top MMOs released in the last few years has this. Guild Wars 2 doesn't even have mounts at all.
8. ArcheAge is a beautifully developed world. You could argue graphics in the other top MMOs but there is no denying the game is beautiful.
Before you rate this game, compare to the other MMOs released in the last few years what is available in terms of game play versus the other MMOs released lately. If you believe "action combat" really matters in an MMO, you are sadly mistaken. The majority of MMO players could care less about "action combat" versus having a huge number of new things to do that will keep them enjoying the game for many years.
1. There is almost no naval combat because peeps just unsummon their boats. i've experienced this often.
2. Enjoy seeking land. or buy off the "lucky" ones with 20+ plots
3. this made me laugh the most. do u really think all the 120 classes are viable? eyewash. there are just a few good and reasonable classes. everybody here should know the outcome of a class like "Healer + Tank + Mage" without playing it. YES, its totally crap and unplayable.
4. Rift had it.
5. you wont see many of them. lets say 2 or 3 in 8-12 hours gaming. there is a queue too.
6. I'll let you this.
7. play aion
8. this is so subjective. i've found stunning places in guild wars 2, aion, rift, tera,.....the heck even in WoW: Mist of Pandaria although its very old.