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I speak for myself but I am sure there are more reading through this thread. TSW is a game people want to root for. It has an awesome premise, story and intrigue could splash off your screen in buckets.
But instead of liking it, you end up getting frustrated while playing the game. That's the deadliest turn a game can make. By mistakes a company like Funcom (this isnt their first MMO) should NOT make.
If I look at the evolution of how FC builds their MMO's, from AO to AoC to TSW, you can see elements been taken over that arent always a good choice and not enough growth. They didnt adapt. And they died.
I'm not saying the game is dead, but Funcom sure as hell isnt the big player it used to be. And you can see that directly translated into their games, in this case TSW. It's a damn shame. It really is. Maybe its karma.
TSW is still a great game, and I preordered back then to get a lifetime account.
However, like in all of these thempark-games after some 6 month there was nothing left to do for me and I had three characters maxed out with 10.4-gear.
The combat could've been a little better, but all in all it was a very fun 6 month playing the game.
So, what killed it?
Lack of interesting stuff to do, once you played through all of the available content.
The game encouraging solo play over team play is a very good point. The same for lack of personal character development.
Both added to the list
These are the idiotic replies that alienate some people. Try to expand on your reply instead of spouting one liner rubbish and tell people to go play something else. Instead address their concerns.
Most can't. Either they have to change the subject, start trolling or use these fanboi arguments. Because a lot of comments (at least mine) are from players that have played the game. And thus have arguments that make sense.
Make no mistake, TSW is a decent game, but its far from perfect. Best game? Hell no. Worst game? Also no. As B2P it has enough positives as it has negatives that make it an ok game. Negatives however are in the basics.
You can't change clunky gameplay or non-existant main storyplots. If it were just bugs, non smooth interface, animations, customisations or things like the non shared loot or grindy endgame, that could be fixed.
If you download the game, play a few weeks and decide you dont like the gameplay, then quests, storylore and cutscenes dont matter. And its not like devs can easily change gameplay. You can just focus on the +.
Thus you have an average game with a small dev team that has to put out content with extremely high expectations. The + in my eyes is still the quest and story. I dont play it for the grindy endgame.
The new long awaited Tokyo DLC was "meh". It didnt "wow" me like DLC's from other games have. That Funcom has become smaller doesnt matter to me. I pay the same $20,-.
I understand some changes made (like the lair boss) but it didnt change the way I play TSW. I log on, do the new storyquests, log off. And I see many do exactly that.
Try finding a team. You wont use the teamsearch interface. You'll spam agartha or use channels. So much stuff just isnt supporting the wonky gameplay. It's just sad.
Long loading times, crashes, my PC can handle Crysis 3 better on Ultra then it can TSW on High. You need patience. And for many thats too much to ask.
I never tried the game for two primary reasons. The skill wheel and the quirky combat animations; mainly the latter. Both I learned about after extensive review reading. I was hyped about the game when it came out. Shame it tanked.
Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
"what killed the secret world ", for me:
1- bad client performance.
2- bad graphics (i think problem is graphic engine, style and modelling is nice).
3- agatha traveling (for me as bad as windows metro interface.)
4- pvp is bad (i can play without pvp but it is a negative thing.)
this is beutiful game, if they fix the client i can play this game forever. but i cant play in this situation.
User interface, thank you. I had forgotten how bad the out of the box interface is. I suppose it's because I have something like 20 mods and it's still problematical. Popping that onto the list.
Just curious, but what list might that be?
I update the list in the first post as people bring up new/forgotten problems with the game. The game has many problems that people work through but internalize. A good example is the UI. I had forgotten how bad it was because I had mods out the wazoo to make it work right. Another thing that struck me just recently is how horribly bad travel is in the game. It's one of the things the devs promised to improve with a market/veteran item but never actually did. I suppose that may be something of a plus. If you look at how they make the portable bank work (limited charges and far too few for it to be very useful unless you are willing to drop large amounts of funds) a travel ability like that would just be one more thing that most players would avoid.
You can't kill something that was never alive.
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That wasn't a very nice thing to say Mr. Natpick, I suggest you watch your tone and consider other people's feelings before using foul language in such a sacred place to one of your fellow gamers...
KingCarebear
/sarcasm
Why don't you take the initiative and make him feel good my child? Belittling him with your childish cartoons vile retorts will do nothing improve his psyche and well-being.
KingCarebear
It killed me as well my friend
- funcom
- canceling monthly updates
- FPS drop
- PvP ignorance frome funcom
- content created by Ragnar (desert)
- no mounts .. as Joel says.. Ragnar dosnt want mounts so we respect it
Wasted tons of potencial...
I put up with the combat because of the story and the genre. I involuntarily groan and roll my eyes every time I'm running along and hear that telltale drumbeat that indicates I picked up aggro. Fortunately, I'm at full sprint now, so I can usually outrun it.
I ground the skill wheel to find that many skills were identical in effect, and so the tediousness of combat couldn't be prevented. Maybe there are amazing decks out there that end combat in less than 30 seconds, but I'm not interested in making a FotM. Bugged me in SWG, it would bug me here.
I was annoyed that Agartha was considered a "feature", when it's a bad implementation of a standard portal system. It reminds me of the early days of DVD, where you had to wait for various "interesting the first time, annoying the rest" animations to get to the content you're looking for. Or worse, CDi Burncycle, floating to your next option. Sure, it's clever as a concept, but EXCRUCIATING as implemented. It was in Agartha that I wondered, "Is anyone at Funcom playing this game?".
So why did I put up with it at all?
The missions/quests are, IMO, the best there have ever been in an MMO. And a great main story. Totally sucked in.
Even so, it wasn't enough to get me to buy Tokyo, even when it was on sale.
I played it for a few weeks near the start using free trials, and by the time I got to Egypt, I had had enough.
The worst thing to me was that storywise it plays like a shooter, not an RPG--your character doesn't get to say anything, and except for one case, makes no decisions. And the decision you make seems to have no immediate effect.
I ended up really disliking the ability system. The problem is that due to the way you have to build synergies between "types" (sorry, been a couple of years now at least so the terms are fuzzy), there comes a point when you really just can't improve a build, you have to start over. And at least at the time, you couldn't respec so you had just grind out more points to buy your new trees.
Also, while the special effects are different, the general "build/dump" mechanic of combat gets repetitive and old over time.
I would have love to love TSW but the game is too much themepark and too much about combat.
What would have been amazing, imho: would have been to GIVE EVERY PLAYER THE ABILITY TO CREATE CUSTOM QUESTS ! They should have no reward of course, but the fun to explore and play a mysterious adventure, like in any pen & paper rpg. So you could play your own custom X-Files/Buffy/Shadowmancer game with your friends. Don't have to wait for some monthly update anymore ! Bored ? Try to become a game master and write a twisted story to share with others ! The best ones will be upvoted so players can find them easily while exploring the world (could be a fresh cadaver in some dark alley for example). Worst ones or trollish attempts will be downvoted and/or removed.
How would this work ? Well I never play STO so I can't tell how the Foundry does it, but there's a addon in WoW ("Total RP 2") that allows just that: you create items and scenarios that are triggered when a player perform some actions ("talk to this npc", "enter this room", "kill this mobs" etc). Then you keep them private (for you and your friends) or share them in the "public pool".
If even 1% of the players create quests, that would add hundreds of adventures of all kind !
I have to agree the game is very themepark oriented. I don't know if that is sufficiently different or is precise enough to put on the list. It does however add a refinement to the designed to eject people.
I also am uncertain about "Lacks an outlet for creative expression". TSW has mods for this and text adventures (yes i understand how bad that is) are officially included as well. I can't speak from personal knowledge but the forums for the RP Mods make it clear they aren't on the same level as previous user generated content tools, like the Foundry in NWN and Star Trek Online.