Originally posted by shae Well I'll agree with you on that one, it's painfully obvious that people are going to use this as a supposed "sign" of EQ2's lack of success. I can't stand playing EQ2 anymore but I certainly don't think it's a failure, and just as I hope people are smart enough to see the true motives behind the server merg, I hope they are equally smart to realize that this will add to EQ2's success. But either way, as always Anarchyart, I absolutely ADORE your passion to stand up for what you believe, dear god don't give that up. And as for, your damn right I'll be there for the PvP servers . I'm really hoping this will breath some air into what I find a stale game, even just for the RP value alone. This will officially make it the game I've come back to the most times... 4 times I think now . See you there.
HEHE thanks shae. And can't wait for PVP too! I think it will just add a perfect slant to the game that is already great. And just remember, you have played it all the way to the end which is why it's a bit stale to you. The Kingdom of Sky expansion looks really amazing and the class revamp should be an interesting way to start over too. New Islands with new quests! I love being a n00b in EQ2.
HEHE thanks shae. And can't wait for PVP too! I think it will just add a perfect slant to the game that is already great. And just remember, you have played it all the way to the end which is why it's a bit stale to you. The Kingdom of Sky expansion looks really amazing and the class revamp should be an interesting way to start over too. New Islands with new quests! I love being a n00b in EQ2.
You got it . And which is exactly why I'm going to wait for the new expansion/pvp servers to come out.
I'm hoping, which I'm sure is what the EQ2 dev's are hoping for also, that when I go back it's going to feel like a familiar but new experience for me, with quite simply more things to do at the end and quite possibly, some actual story arc's with passion and intensity thrown into the mix. Because IMO that's always what has been missing with EQ2.
Originally posted by wouldzey Im not suprised of the wide sweeping changes over at SOE these days. Due to WoWs massive success many SOE big wigs, investers and partners will most likely be wondering why the hell MMOs in SOEs portfolio as performing so poorly in comparisson. I bet there is a massive number of questions to be answered over there at the moment, all because WoW has opening the eyes of stakeholders behind the front lines. They will be asking questions like these: Why have we, in the space of 1 game gone from number one MMO development studio to a very tentative second place?Why have we, having the resources and liscences we own not got the suscription numbers of WoW, not even close?Why have we, spending all this money and having the suposed best experience with MMOs in the market suddenly been left in the extreme shadows of Blizzard and WoW?Considering we have arguably the greatest liscence out there in Star Wars, do we find ourselves not only second place in the market but trailing by such a massive margin with suscriptions continuing to fall dramatically. The last question i expect Lucas himself has been asking firmly and causing waves within the SOE/LA deal. Use great liscences in conjunction with great systems and innovative features and you will have a great and successful game. Rely too heavily on just one of these areas and you will fail. As with SOEs current portfolio.
Sorry, but this kind of logic is so failed. Does your logic just apply to SOE? Why do you just apply it to one MMO company out there? I would bet that most if not all of the MMO companies out there know that WoW is a major exception when it comes to what to expect from their product. They're not comparing themselves to WoW.
It's like the guy who owns the local restaurant worrying about what Kentucky Fried Chicken does. He's more involved in a local niche market than worrying about big numbers of people like KFC has to do. And he's making enough for himself to survive or he wouldn't still be around. SOE knows what their limits are and how much they need to make. They've been around long enough for that. I don't think they really care too much about WoW other than poking fun at how lame it is and people still play it. The same way the local restaurants chicken can taste so much better than KFC's. Everyone in that town knows it so they laugh at the dumb-asses still eating the Colonel.
Originally posted by anarchyart WoW raped the MMO world and changed it forever? Lots of us think it was for the worse, one of those is me. It lowered the challenge bar along with the age demographic. Games that have hardcore PVP and even PVE games that present a real challenge to players will forever be "niche" games now. I'm hoping Vanguard will change that, but with customers that don't want a challenge willing to pay the money, look for more cartoony kiddie MMO's in the future to top the charts.
Does any other mmo present that much more of a 'challenge'? Who knows, maybe I'm gifted . I've yet to encounter an AI that I couldn't figure out with minimal effort.
I certainly can't see EQ2 being any more difficult then WoW.
Also, lets lay off the whole 'WoW is the mmo anti-christ'. If anything, Blizzard has shown that there's a large market willing to play mmos. Lol, it's not like every book that isn't about Harry Potter is now considered in a 'niche'.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Im not a fan boi of World of Warcraft.... I dont get where you make this up in your mind, I simply COMPARe the two, because i played BOTH, and i think BOTH Suck in their own ways. But back to the point, You guys just drank a lil too much of the SOE Kool-Aid, I'm guessing.
I'm just trying to show my thoughts, and the way I interpret SOE is from being a customer for over 6 years of MMO's dealing with them. They are a horrid company, they have horrid support, their game is Botted easily, they dont attempt to stop botters. I must of reported around 45-75 people botting to the GM's yet they did nothing, All where still ingame botting away, making that plat to sell.
I'm sorry this game has reached the deep end of the pool now, Expecting a new expansion every other month, is not something i would want to be paying for over and over again. So let's see thats 15$ a month then every 3 months a new 49.99$ expansion comes out. so after 4 months of playing this game you pay, 19.99$ for the game retail, 14.99$ for first months subscription, One free month, then you have to buy Desert expansion, 40$. Then your going to have to buy the Skie of Fire Expansion 40$, then another monthly fee, 14.99$ plus another monthly fee of 14.99$. so the GRAND TOTAL to you just starting up this game comes to, $154.96. Thats a little high in my book at least for a new player to coming to the game. Thus getting to my point. This is a deffinant turn away for new players, so SOE is MERGING SERVERS based on the fact that, they will not be recieving many new players, And they expect the current players ot fill the ranks of their new servers. Which they will. Thus we will only be able to tell how low subscriptions are IF THEY MERGE SERVER AGAIN After the new servers, and expansion.
Originally posted by IcoGames I certainly can't see EQ2 being any more difficult then WoW. Also, lets lay off the whole 'WoW is the mmo anti-christ'. If anything, Blizzard has shown that there's a large market willing to play mmos. Lol, it's not like every book that isn't about Harry Potter is now considered in a 'niche'.
In WoW, someone on my server got to level 60 in 16 days. Try getting to level 60 in EQ2 in 16 days. Maybe 16 weeks if you have no life.
And btw Ico, books have been out just a bit longer than MMORPG's, but I get your point. I too am glad for WoW: it brought tons of new people into our beloved genre who otherwise wouldn't have come. I don't like WoW for its one group/raid instances. That is dumbing it down for me. Also, I just hate the fact that every n00b on the message boards thinks if the game doesn't have 5 million subscribers it's dying.
Originally posted by IcoGames Time to level doesn't equate to difficulty; it simply means more xp per level. To clarify, I don't see needing any more skill to play EQ2 than WoW. 16 days to level is pretty fast. I think my best is 2 months. : )
2 months is outstanding. The guy who took 16 days was named Wingbane and I think it was 2 or 3 people playing the character 24/7. He/they solo'd to 60 as there was no one else even close at the time. Soloing to level 60 in 16 days.
Having played both I definitely think EQ2 takes more skill, especially post combat revamp. You have to control your aggro if you are DPS. You just don't have to do that in WoW. I will respect your opinion though.
Omg so many wow lovers here,why wow players have so afraid from eq2 that mkes them come to hour foruns and bash it.EQ2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers.they merged cause SOE is doing a good job and wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded.
Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it.
Well i think it is a good move by SOe to do this. I think it should have been set up with just 6-12 servers really. I cant wait for the days when multi-servers die. Games comming out with a single server that can handle 1-2 million users at a single time i think is the future of the gaming world. games like Star trek that is such a vest area could support a single server in its world.
SOE thoe should cut servers down to 25 servers all together. Should be 20 PVE servers and 5 pvp servers to start. IF pvp becomes huge up it by 1 server at a time and not 5 servers. Becasue they will have to do a server merger again when they get up to 900-1200 zone next year. I would say in about 2-3 years the game will be down to about 12 PVE servers lol.
Originally posted by WARCRYtm Omg so many wow lovers here,why wow players have so afraid from eq2 that mkes them come to hour foruns and bash it.EQ2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers.they merged cause SOE is doing a good job and wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded. Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it.
Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend.
Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand.
Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back.
"...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach.
"Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved.
Originally posted by anarchyart Having played both I definitely think EQ2 takes more skill, especially post combat revamp. You have to control your aggro if you are DPS. You just don't have to do that in WoW. I will respect your opinion though
Are sure you played WoW?
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Originally posted by WARCRYtm Omg so many wow lovers here,why wow players have so afraid from eq2 that mkes them come to hour foruns and bash it.EQ2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers.they merged cause SOE is doing a good job and wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded. Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it.
Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend.
Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand.
Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back.
"...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach.
"Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved.
Well actually Warcry is right.
Your in need of a reality check, because there are 6 or 7 on high on peack times and all onn medium. THe only time you see ligh anymore is like in the morning, or at noon on weekdays.
So, yes stop flaming SOE and EQ2 till you have played it...... And the game has realy gotten good in the past few months.
So, if you left cause you didnt like it, or are just looking for something new come to EQ2, because honestly it is the best MMOG that is out right now, no matter what the ratings say.
Originally posted by Obadno Originally posted by Kem0sabeOriginally posted by WARCRYtmOmg so many wow lovers here,why wow players have so afraid from eq2 that mkes them come to hour foruns and bash it.EQ2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers.they merged cause SOE is doing a good job and wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded.Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it.Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend. Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand. Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back. "...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach. "Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved. Well actually Warcry is right. Your in need of a reality check, because there are 6 or 7 on high on peack times and all onn medium. THe only time you see ligh anymore is like in the morning, or at noon on weekdays. So, yes stop flaming SOE and EQ2 till you have played it...... And the game has realy gotten good in the past few months. So, if you left cause you didnt like it, or are just looking for something new come to EQ2, because honestly it is the best MMOG that is out right now, no matter what the ratings say.
Indeed, the EQ2 servers are so busting with enormous activit and player numbers that SOE in their great wisdom decided that the only logical choice to deal with these hordes of players was to merge servers /sarcasm.
And did i flame EQ2 on the post you quoted? i stated the facts, if you took that as flaming Eq2, then thats your problem no mine, but i guess you and your language impared friend are fit company for eachother, no?
Originally posted by IcoGames Time to level doesn't equate to difficulty; it simply means more xp per level. To clarify, I don't see needing any more skill to play EQ2 than WoW.16 days to level is pretty fast. I think my best is 2 months. : )
i think the problem is, that alot of people don't want to get max lvl that fast. i would like to play a game where it would take me a long time to get to the max lvl, not get there in two months witch i have also done in wow.
but i do agree, it doesn't take alot of actual "skill" to play either one of these games, but if i wanted a game that took alot of skill i would probably play a fps or something like that.
Originally posted by anarchyart Having played both I definitely think EQ2 takes more skill, especially post combat revamp. You have to control your aggro if you are DPS. You just don't have to do that in WoW. I will respect your opinion though
Are sure you played WoW?
Yes'm, I was a protect speced Warrior. People didn't have to control their aggro and I could maintain almost constant control. In EQ2, one early nuke or heal and you're pretty much dead.
Originally posted by WARCRYtm Omg so many wow lovers here,why wow players have so afraid from eq2 that mkes them come to hour foruns and bash it.EQ2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers.they merged cause SOE is doing a good job and wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded. Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it.
Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend.
Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand.
Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back.
"...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach.
"Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved.
Wow, Kem0, that was probably your most objective post to date, and I agree with most of it.
The merges are a good idea, but it is because some of the servers have low pops. I think it's because most people tend to start nowadays on the higher population servers and through attrition, the lower servers just get lower, but that is opinion
WoW and EQ2 are both different games and really amazing in their own respects, personal preferences aside.
Originally posted by anarchyart Yes'm, I was a protect speced Warrior. People didn't have to control their aggro and I could maintain almost constant control. In EQ2, one early nuke or heal and you're pretty much dead.
No offense, but I'm not sure how much you were paying attention in-game (which may explain your '20 minute' griffon ride you referenced in another thread).
Warriors have abilities to maintain aggro, hence they're considered the main tank in WoW. Healers can certainly pull aggro, as I witnessed last evening in our BWL raid. There are also mods which will display a mobs aggro list during an encounter.
Lol, any Hunter will attest to the vitriol slung at them when they accidentally wipe a raid using AimShot.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Originally posted by anarchyart Yes'm, I was a protect speced Warrior. People didn't have to control their aggro and I could maintain almost constant control. In EQ2, one early nuke or heal and you're pretty much dead.
No offense, but I'm not sure how much you were paying attention in-game (which may explain your '20 minute' griffon ride you referenced in another thread).
Warriors have abilities to maintain aggro, hence they're considered the main tank in WoW. Healers can certainly pull aggro, as I witnessed last evening in our BWL raid. There are also mods which will display a mobs aggro list during an encounter.
Lol, any Hunter will attest to the vitriol slung at them when they accidentally wipe a raid using AimShot.
Ok if you re-read it I didn't say the griffon ride was 20 minutes. 5 minute griffon ride to boat. 5 minutes on the boat to get back to Darkshore. Another 5 minute griffon ride to get to Stromgarde, then another 5 minute griffon ride to get to the place where I was levelling up at level 55. That's 20 minutes from Ironforge, maybe 15 and change, and if you aren't sick of riding on griffons by now then I think you are probably high much of the time.
My warrior was protect speced, so he had the uber taunt which was I think a 3 second taunt with a 5 second refresh, so no matter what anyone did they would only get aggro for 2 seconds at a time, and that was only if they didn't have any control over their extremities at all.
And I only made it to level 55 before I ran screaming from the computer, so I didnt do DWB or BWL or LOL or whatever the freakin abbreviations for the raid instances are.
Originally posted by anarchyart Ok if you re-read it I didn't say the griffon ride was 20 minutes. 5 minute griffon ride to boat. 5 minutes on the boat to get back to Darkshore. Another 5 minute griffon ride to get to Stromgarde, then another 5 minute griffon ride to get to the place where I was levelling up at level 55. That's 20 minutes from Ironforge, maybe 15 and change, and if you aren't sick of riding on griffons by now then I think you are probably high much of the time.
You went to Darkshore to get to Stromgarde from Iron Forge? They're on the same continent (not to mention a direct route): Clicky.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
My warrior was protect speced, so he had the uber taunt which was I think a 3 second taunt with a 5 second refresh, so no matter what anyone did they would only get aggro for 2 seconds at a time, and that was only if they didn't have any control over their extremities at all. And I only made it to level 55 before I ran screaming from the computer, so I didnt do DWB or BWL or LOL or whatever the freakin abbreviations for the raid instances are.
Right, that's the job of a warrior; to maintain aggro and soak-up damage. Without taunting, priests and druids would draw aggro every time they thier heals reached a particular level.
Ico Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Originally posted by anarchyart Ok if you re-read it I didn't say the griffon ride was 20 minutes. 5 minute griffon ride to boat. 5 minutes on the boat to get back to Darkshore. Another 5 minute griffon ride to get to Stromgarde, then another 5 minute griffon ride to get to the place where I was levelling up at level 55. That's 20 minutes from Ironforge, maybe 15 and change, and if you aren't sick of riding on griffons by now then I think you are probably high much of the time.
You went to Darkshore to get to Stromgarde from Iron Forge? They're on the same continent (not to mention a direct route): Clicky.
K it's been like 6 months since I played and what I was trying to illustrate was getting to that high level place that is on the map right across through the mountains from darkshore, but to get there from ironforge you have to sit on a gryphon and ride to the boat in (can't remember the name of the town, but it's by boat to darkshore) and then ride the boat to darkshore, then sit on another long ass gryphon ride to get to the place.
Point is, if you aren't sick of riding on gryphons then you are smokin' the good ganja.
EDIT: Ok, checked out the map. It's gryphon from Ironforge to Menethil. Boat from Menethil to Auberdine. Bird from Auberdine to Talonbranch, and then on to Winterspring. It's almost a 20 minute ride, and I apologize but I HATED that.
Fantastic Map resource btw, kudos to World of War dot net.
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. And which is exactly why I'm going to wait for the new expansion/pvp servers to come out.
I'm hoping, which I'm sure is what the EQ2 dev's are hoping for also, that when I go back it's going to feel like a familiar but new experience for me, with quite simply more things to do at the end and quite possibly, some actual story arc's with passion and intensity thrown into the mix. Because IMO that's always what has been missing with EQ2.
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Sorry, but this kind of logic is so failed. Does your logic just apply to SOE? Why do you just apply it to one MMO company out there? I would bet that most if not all of the MMO companies out there know that WoW is a major exception when it comes to what to expect from their product. They're not comparing themselves to WoW.
It's like the guy who owns the local restaurant worrying about what Kentucky Fried Chicken does. He's more involved in a local niche market than worrying about big numbers of people like KFC has to do. And he's making enough for himself to survive or he wouldn't still be around. SOE knows what their limits are and how much they need to make. They've been around long enough for that. I don't think they really care too much about WoW other than poking fun at how lame it is and people still play it. The same way the local restaurants chicken can taste so much better than KFC's. Everyone in that town knows it so they laugh at the dumb-asses still eating the Colonel.
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Does any other mmo present that much more of a 'challenge'? Who knows, maybe I'm gifted . I've yet to encounter an AI that I couldn't figure out with minimal effort.
I certainly can't see EQ2 being any more difficult then WoW.
Also, lets lay off the whole 'WoW is the mmo anti-christ'. If anything, Blizzard has shown that there's a large market willing to play mmos. Lol, it's not like every book that isn't about Harry Potter is now considered in a 'niche'.
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Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Im not a fan boi of World of Warcraft.... I dont get where you make this up in your mind, I simply COMPARe the two, because i played BOTH, and i think BOTH Suck in their own ways. But back to the point, You guys just drank a lil too much of the SOE Kool-Aid, I'm guessing.
I'm just trying to show my thoughts, and the way I interpret SOE is from being a customer for over 6 years of MMO's dealing with them. They are a horrid company, they have horrid support, their game is Botted easily, they dont attempt to stop botters. I must of reported around 45-75 people botting to the GM's yet they did nothing, All where still ingame botting away, making that plat to sell.
I'm sorry this game has reached the deep end of the pool now, Expecting a new expansion every other month, is not something i would want to be paying for over and over again. So let's see thats 15$ a month then every 3 months a new 49.99$ expansion comes out. so after 4 months of playing this game you pay, 19.99$ for the game retail, 14.99$ for first months subscription, One free month, then you have to buy Desert expansion, 40$. Then your going to have to buy the Skie of Fire Expansion 40$, then another monthly fee, 14.99$ plus another monthly fee of 14.99$. so the GRAND TOTAL to you just starting up this game comes to, $154.96. Thats a little high in my book at least for a new player to coming to the game. Thus getting to my point. This is a deffinant turn away for new players, so SOE is MERGING SERVERS based on the fact that, they will not be recieving many new players, And they expect the current players ot fill the ranks of their new servers. Which they will. Thus we will only be able to tell how low subscriptions are IF THEY MERGE SERVER AGAIN After the new servers, and expansion.
Only time can tell.
In WoW, someone on my server got to level 60 in 16 days. Try getting to level 60 in EQ2 in 16 days. Maybe 16 weeks if you have no life.
And btw Ico, books have been out just a bit longer than MMORPG's
, but I get your point. I too am glad for WoW: it brought tons of new people into our beloved genre who otherwise wouldn't have come. I don't like WoW for its one group/raid instances. That is dumbing it down for me. Also, I just hate the fact that every n00b on the message boards thinks if the game doesn't have 5 million subscribers it's dying.
Time to level doesn't equate to difficulty; it simply means more xp per level. To clarify, I don't see needing any more skill to play EQ2 than WoW.
16 days to level is pretty fast. I think my best is 2 months. : )
Ico
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2 months is outstanding. The guy who took 16 days was named Wingbane and I think it was 2 or 3 people playing the character 24/7. He/they solo'd to 60 as there was no one else even close at the time. Soloing to level 60 in 16 days.
Having played both I definitely think EQ2 takes more skill, especially post combat revamp. You have to control your aggro if you are DPS. You just don't have to do that in WoW. I will respect your opinion though.
Omg so many wow lovers here,why wow players have so afraid from eq2 that mkes them come to hour foruns and bash it.EQ2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers.they merged cause SOE is doing a good job and wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded.
Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it.
Well i think it is a good move by SOe to do this. I think it should have been set up with just 6-12 servers really. I cant wait for the days when multi-servers die. Games comming out with a single server that can handle 1-2 million users at a single time i think is the future of the gaming world. games like Star trek that is such a vest area could support a single server in its world.
SOE thoe should cut servers down to 25 servers all together. Should be 20 PVE servers and 5 pvp servers to start. IF pvp becomes huge up it by 1 server at a time and not 5 servers. Becasue they will have to do a server merger again when they get up to 900-1200 zone next year. I would say in about 2-3 years the game will be down to about 12 PVE servers lol.
Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend.
Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand.
Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back.
"...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach.
"Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved.
All ur Mountain Dew is belong to me.
Are sure you played WoW?
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend.
Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand.
Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back.
"...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach.
"Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved.
Well actually Warcry is right.
Your in need of a reality check, because there are 6 or 7 on high on peack times and all onn medium. THe only time you see ligh anymore is like in the morning, or at noon on weekdays.
So, yes stop flaming SOE and EQ2 till you have played it...... And the game has realy gotten good in the past few months.
So, if you left cause you didnt like it, or are just looking for something new come to EQ2, because honestly it is the best MMOG that is out right now, no matter what the ratings say.
The new EQ2, better than ever befor !
don't click this link...
Indeed, the EQ2 servers are so busting with enormous activit and player numbers that SOE in their great wisdom decided that the only logical choice to deal with these hordes of players was to merge servers /sarcasm.
And did i flame EQ2 on the post you quoted? i stated the facts, if you took that as flaming Eq2, then thats your problem no mine, but i guess you and your language impared friend are fit company for eachother, no?
All ur Mountain Dew is belong to me.
i think the problem is, that alot of people don't want to get max lvl that fast. i would like to play a game where it would take me a long time to get to the max lvl, not get there in two months witch i have also done in wow.
but i do agree, it doesn't take alot of actual "skill" to play either one of these games, but if i wanted a game that took alot of skill i would probably play a fps or something like that.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Are sure you played WoW?
Yes'm, I was a protect speced Warrior. People didn't have to control their aggro and I could maintain almost constant control. In EQ2, one early nuke or heal and you're pretty much dead.
Either you forgot to add /sarcasm to the end of your post or you are in serious need of a reality check m friend.
Speaking for myself, i sometimes pull the WoW analogy because i played both EQ2and WoW, moving between the 2 for man months, presently i dont play either of them, but my own experiences give me some prespective on the issues at hand.
Now, back to the job of trying to read trough that mess you call a post, "Q2 have at pik time 6 high servers and the rest is ALL medium.EQ2 DONT hve low servers." hmm, i think most of us here agree that Eq2 has some issues with the server population on some of its servers, if ou bothered to check, some of them are marked "low" most of the time. Now, keep in mind that a server is marked high if it has 2500 people playing at the same time, maybe even less than that number. Those servers marked low could have numbers as low as 500 people playing, the medium ones barely braking 1000 players at the same time. As you can see by those numbers, its ver hard to enjoy a mmorpg with so few people playing on your server if its one of the "low" ones, i know that from experience, after playing AC2 a couple of years back.
"...wow players are jailous,cause they have few to none content haded." Now, its a given fact that Blizzard doesnt update their content in WoW as fast as SOE updates theirs in EQ2, EQ2 already has 2 expansion packs with the Kingdom of Sky and a few adventure packs. But if you look at the content bizzard did add, you cant say that they didnt add a significant ammount of content, new art, new gameplay features, etc, all of it unique and not using the same art, unlike the aproach SOE tend to take with their free content updates. Im not saying that SOE´s system is better or worse than blizzards, just a diferent aproach.
"Please stop flaming EQ2 wen you dont know nothing about it" I think you should take a little more time thinking about what your going to post and what is the best way to make your point(s), instead of making a post like you just did, with little to no coerent thought involved.
Wow, Kem0, that was probably your most objective post to date, and I agree with most of it.
The merges are a good idea, but it is because some of the servers have low pops. I think it's because most people tend to start nowadays on the higher population servers and through attrition, the lower servers just get lower, but that is opinion
WoW and EQ2 are both different games and really amazing in their own respects, personal preferences aside.
No offense, but I'm not sure how much you were paying attention in-game (which may explain your '20 minute' griffon ride you referenced in another thread).
Warriors have abilities to maintain aggro, hence they're considered the main tank in WoW. Healers can certainly pull aggro, as I witnessed last evening in our BWL raid. There are also mods which will display a mobs aggro list during an encounter.
Lol, any Hunter will attest to the vitriol slung at them when they accidentally wipe a raid using AimShot.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
No offense, but I'm not sure how much you were paying attention in-game (which may explain your '20 minute' griffon ride you referenced in another thread).
Warriors have abilities to maintain aggro, hence they're considered the main tank in WoW. Healers can certainly pull aggro, as I witnessed last evening in our BWL raid. There are also mods which will display a mobs aggro list during an encounter.
Lol, any Hunter will attest to the vitriol slung at them when they accidentally wipe a raid using AimShot.
Ok if you re-read it I didn't say the griffon ride was 20 minutes. 5 minute griffon ride to boat. 5 minutes on the boat to get back to Darkshore. Another 5 minute griffon ride to get to Stromgarde, then another 5 minute griffon ride to get to the place where I was levelling up at level 55. That's 20 minutes from Ironforge, maybe 15 and change, and if you aren't sick of riding on griffons by now then I think you are probably high much of the time.
My warrior was protect speced, so he had the uber taunt which was I think a 3 second taunt with a 5 second refresh, so no matter what anyone did they would only get aggro for 2 seconds at a time, and that was only if they didn't have any control over their extremities at all.
And I only made it to level 55 before I ran screaming from the computer, so I didnt do DWB or BWL or LOL or whatever the freakin abbreviations for the raid instances are.
Instances suck.TM
You went to Darkshore to get to Stromgarde from Iron Forge? They're on the same continent (not to mention a direct route): Clicky.
Ico
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Right, that's the job of a warrior; to maintain aggro and soak-up damage. Without taunting, priests and druids would draw aggro every time they thier heals reached a particular level.
Ico
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You went to Darkshore to get to Stromgarde from Iron Forge? They're on the same continent (not to mention a direct route): Clicky.
K it's been like 6 months since I played and what I was trying to illustrate was getting to that high level place that is on the map right across through the mountains from darkshore, but to get there from ironforge you have to sit on a gryphon and ride to the boat in (can't remember the name of the town, but it's by boat to darkshore) and then ride the boat to darkshore, then sit on another long ass gryphon ride to get to the place.
Point is, if you aren't sick of riding on gryphons then you are smokin' the good ganja.
EDIT: Ok, checked out the map. It's gryphon from Ironforge to Menethil. Boat from Menethil to Auberdine. Bird from Auberdine to Talonbranch, and then on to Winterspring. It's almost a 20 minute ride, and I apologize but I HATED that.
Fantastic Map resource btw, kudos to World of War dot net.